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phf: v runs with a special case of sat solver. i don't understand which part of "asdf doesn't have a sat solver" and "sat is never mentioned" is not clear. i'm saying
that whatever dependency resolution is always a special case of sat. you put some contraints on it (no cirlces, etc.) and
then you can have special case solutions.
phf: and
there's probably no formal sat in asdf. i'm saying
that bulk of dependency resolution problems would come from sat
though
phf: fare claims somewhere
that he solved a gnarly dependency resolution bug in asdf, but
the nature of bug is never revealed, and SAT is never mentioned (i suspect most bugs in asdf would be SAT related)
phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because
they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
☟︎ phf: there's actually some extensions
that are not necessarily evil (like :email or :author in a defsystem), bulk of fail comes from
test-op,
that's not supported in old version, but
that nobody uses
test-op consistently at all
phf: ben_vulpes: note
that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf
to remove various later extensions, but it works
☟︎ phf: (fwiw ircbot is already sbcl specific, since it relies on a bunch of sbcl
threading extensions, so pulling compat layer for cl-irc is a waste)
phf: one solution could be
to, e.g. post cl-irc, but hard coded
to a specific sbcl implementation. whoever wants
to port it elsewhere (like cmucl or whatever) can just post a #-sbcl #+cmucl vpatch, etc.
phf: (not
to mention what i bring up all
the
time,
that asdf itself is
the horror now)
phf: and it is submarine with screen doors. it's possible
that asdf in vpatches is
the door
through which
the horror comes.
phf: it would be perhaps worthwhile
to
triangulate sbcl
towards a common deployment platform
phf: it's not added up
to coherent whole yet. so far
the conclusion is
that compatability layers are evil, and
that you basically have
to maintain own versions of everything
that abstracts your lisp implementation details
phf: (which is by
the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
☟︎ phf: if you want all of your compatability layers
to work, you are forced
to run
trunk of everything.
phf: but usocket probably defensively passes serve-events nil
to make sure
that "legacy" machinery doesn't kick in, because nobody knows about it, or wants
to deal with it
phf: so instead of addressing
the core machinery,
they put
these hooks all over
the place, where some
things are part of serve event, and some are not. anyway, you ran into
the fact
that 1.0.42 introduced a flag
to socket-make-stream :serve-events, which is
true by default. it was later changed
to false
phf: so
that's why you sometimes get an infinite error loop with fd-register somesuch when you abruptly lose connection
phf: asciilifeform: serve event is a cmucl way of
tracking streams of every kind (since no
threading, repl mainloop is a reactor pattern). sbcl has just lifted
the whole
thing, but
then never really redid
the architecture
phf: asciilifeform: i know
this one, it's unix!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja know
the group im
talking of ? "pushkin should be
thrown overboard
the steamship of modernity" ?
mircea_popescu: "Science fiction author Neal Stephenson has become
the "Chief Futurist" of Magic Leap, an augmented reality company"
mircea_popescu: please
tell me hylaea is not a reference
to
the fucking futurists
mircea_popescu: the next article
title will be "we shall now read anathem", if
that wasn't obvious
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can put it
through bash grindfer, make it be
text.
mircea_popescu has long despaired of any hope anyone would produce
text in some kind of proper format.
mircea_popescu: so give her a copy, correct
the item she produces and
there you go, she got a blog now.
BingoBoingo: The ordering is more one of prioritizing. No need
to stop. At any number of languages, but
the focus can shift. As
time makes
the spanish more comfortable, Portuguese is a natural next point of focus.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-14 16:31 mircea_popescu:
that's ok,
the rule is 0 1 infinity.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once man
takes ibovniki, man can not stop at arbitrary count.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It
turns out
that Portuguese is making a strong case for
third lang
mircea_popescu: (for les autres : defloration is another word for losing one's virginity.
the woman's name being lorena, and her disposition deeply pubescent anxiotic (you should know what
this is) which is beyond ridiculous in a 40yo not
to mention hysterical given
the amount of compensatory covers-for-impotence she engages in, pretending entirely without basis
to be an actress, poetess and whatnot --
the nedeflorena name immediately clicke
mircea_popescu: you'll ruin my idea of romanian difficulty and i'll end up going "what, you don't get
this kindergarten fare?!?!" at poor innocent slavegirls.
mircea_popescu: "maybe if i sit really still i cease
to be ? no ? how about if i also close eyes ? still ? plug ears as well, how about
then ???"
mircea_popescu: entirely chtonic civilisation, it copied more from
the original socialists
than just goebbel's radio playlist. it fucking copied
the will-to-die, and substantially.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying
this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much
to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally
THE SAME animal as
the 'secure hash' and
the 'secure blockcipher'.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform:
they are sides of
the same
triangle.
BingoBoingo pretty sure
thread had, but under what key words...
mircea_popescu: reading
the keccak lisp
thing
that unpleasant irk becomes inescapably evident :
this is just fucking "advanced" rot 13.
BingoBoingo: And plenty of pretty girls need
to know who
to ask for a light
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very frankly expect exactly nothing
to be done about it ; i'm just bitter and
that's all.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:35 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting
to see exactly how
this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed
to unearth
the old crud ( where even is it )