asciilifeform: now it is conceivable that he was here when my fiber was down or etc.

asciilifeform: 2014.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-22#931508 << the logged line immediately after his last known selfvoice. ☝︎

asciilifeform: not once.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for deedbot - apparently never.

asciilifeform: 'FreeNode-#bitcoin-assets.log:Nov 22 01:21:09 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel'

asciilifeform: iirc phf has whole set in there

asciilifeform: looks like 0 ?!

asciilifeform: when's the last time he $v'd, while we're on subj ?

asciilifeform: but this? is a first, to me.

asciilifeform: kokakola, sumtimes WARRRR!11111 etc

asciilifeform: is on the run, shot the sheriff, or wat.

asciilifeform: how's this wurk

asciilifeform: but is 'homeless' also ?

asciilifeform: he has 'clients', is writing dissertation, taking in 1000s in donation, etc

asciilifeform: also i dun fully grasp her laddel's story

asciilifeform: my curiosity is piqued by its disappearance

asciilifeform: most pages are not 'so lucky', but that one was cult hit

asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu -- https://archive.is/Mvc6x - enjoy.

asciilifeform: i ain't shipping unless he signs with his $key.

asciilifeform: worx

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: usa post office box is 100bux/yr

asciilifeform: so i cracked it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but stock x60 bios did not permit 'illicit' nics.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody uses the stock nic. it was largely the impetus for the bios swap.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: preferably here, and not email.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: pgpgram when you do.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ended up reversing the vendor bios on x60, or rather, the particular routine that concerned the hardware whitelist, and nopped it out

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: nope

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: neither crashes with vendor bios

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i reproduced it

asciilifeform: with 'libreboot'

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: that was x60!

asciilifeform: thing is taking up space.

asciilifeform: power brick and pen incl.

asciilifeform: and if gabriel_laddel wants an x61 he can have mine for the cost of postage.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-29#1418199 ☝︎

asciilifeform: (the 'open' bios is neither open - uses blobs - nor actually works - machine crashes at full cpu load in 100% of case)

asciilifeform: iirc i described it in some detail.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: see logs for thread re x60/61

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwat

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what do you need to know about either

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and x60.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i have x61 here.

asciilifeform: more like 'others see 2nd deriv.(your money) as 0 or -'

asciilifeform: i am speaking of real-life-no-money.

asciilifeform: herr trump was moneyed even when, on paper, 'no money'

asciilifeform: (and incidentally i have nfi which, the money, or the stevejobs. but to limit hypothesis to the latter strikes me as hasty)

asciilifeform: without money.

asciilifeform: woz, broke in a ditch, made very little afaik.

asciilifeform: or some other young stevejobs.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean, a bloke wandering around looking for a woz to bamboozle?

asciilifeform: i do not want a motherfucking 'desktop'.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'most of x11 is unnecessary' is a 20 y.o. heresy, that ends up summing to 'let's do graphics the way microshit does' in all cases.

asciilifeform: who pays ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how's this work, you turned it into dissertation ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you saw what i do to 'make money' you would barf, and ask for the valium injector from this morning's thread

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i very much do not have a clear picture of what you're doing. other than the one fact that you seem to believe 'write directly to video ram' as 'viable replacement for x11'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reason i sometimes try to 'wake up' young, excitable folk like gabriel_laddel is that they are not yet at a stage where one made various dead-end design choices , that, now locked into, man enters a sad lifetime of justification and 'just wanted to' and 'only a terrorist would throw out my life's work of library'

asciilifeform: with, say, 100,000x100,000 res.

asciilifeform: a ~whole~ system lets me preserve the semantics of the items to be drawn, for maximally compact transmission over a wire, and rasterizing on a display of my choosing

asciilifeform: but a cheap imitation.

asciilifeform: it is not 'whole graphics system'

asciilifeform: the part i dispute, gabriel_laddel , is that it is WHOLE

asciilifeform: why not.

asciilifeform: let, then, gabriel_laddel waste half a decade , as i did, learning what he could instead learn in 10min.

asciilifeform: this is quite separate matter from 'which old junk to use'

asciilifeform: the thread is about ~design~ of future junk !

asciilifeform: i use all sorts of junk.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: until i want to send a pcb print to a laser printer.

asciilifeform: it can be, in ~your~ head, because you do not use typesetters, or remote displays, etc. and can arbitrarily proclaim that they are 'irrelevant'

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the msdos-style 'apps will write directly to graphics card' is not a replacement.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 'replace x11'

asciilifeform: 'same but cheaper', plastic gears, want to go there ?

asciilifeform: the problem is that you have not in fact done the job, but arbitrarily proclaimed that your steer is 'just the same as a bull'

asciilifeform: it is very easy algorithm for 'optimization' - simply declare that a good chunk of the job 'does not need doing' and cut the corner

asciilifeform: re the 'doing less work'

asciilifeform: reminds me of subj in http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html

asciilifeform: terry davis school of thought ?

asciilifeform: and what happens if i want to rasterize on a device that isn't my lcd ? (e.g., printer, phototypesetter, lcd on mars..?)

asciilifeform: 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of selfsame drowning'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't show up at fella's house with megaphone.

asciilifeform: 'stable platform' is linux box on which you cad new iron.

asciilifeform: has not, apparently, fully sunk in yet ?

asciilifeform: and not merely x11.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm looking forward to seeing what happens when you wake up and realize that this applies to the entire linux.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer thing needs realtime 3d iirc.

asciilifeform: phf: possibly it got inserted because the unusably slow thing were thrown out ?

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: ditto if it insists on transmitting whole video frames.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which is to say, if i cannot connect over network to machine across the planet and have the window FILL THE ALLOTED SPOT on my display, CORRECTLY, 'replacement' is junk.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: keep in mind that a 'replacement for x' that doesn't do the same job is not a replacement.

asciilifeform: but folks who will eat athena will eat fixed font also.

asciilifeform: i suppose in abstract you can 'make money' with anything

asciilifeform: you already cannot make money with it, the athena widgets look like dog barf

asciilifeform: sorta like we did with trb.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel could probably get a considerable head start on clim cleanup just by unwinding version by a decade

asciilifeform: (and readily substitutable with any raster display)

asciilifeform: used to be just x