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mircea_popescu: until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
mircea_popescu: consequently, nothing of theirs can be trusted. they don't have objects in the usual sense. they have religious artefacts.
mircea_popescu: the dead are distinguished from the alive in that they're broken the meaning covenant.
mircea_popescu: you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
mircea_popescu: and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: so basically, that's the dispute. you believe turbine part is turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf... these aren't turbine parts, they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity to actual turbine parts ~coincidental~."
mircea_popescu: ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers.,
mircea_popescu: in the end this is the problem, isn't it -- you think that ~yes he is~ making something -- turbine parts. as if the parts have an existence beyond and above the incadom they're made in
mircea_popescu: how does "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!"
mircea_popescu: i honestly could as well see it, for the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
mircea_popescu: the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them.
mircea_popescu: this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
mircea_popescu: well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag.
mircea_popescu: chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
mircea_popescu: in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
mircea_popescu: ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two.
mircea_popescu: the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy.
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
mircea_popescu: cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?
mircea_popescu: are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ?
mircea_popescu: rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands
mircea_popescu: the empire is more than willing to do without bread ; it is not willing to do without stupid.
mircea_popescu: point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work.
mircea_popescu: if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric.
mircea_popescu: look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF he ever becomes politically relevant, his bank, his landlord, etc.
mircea_popescu: i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
mircea_popescu: yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism ; and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue.
mircea_popescu: ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place ; and that was THE LAST TIME.
mircea_popescu: the end result will be, your being fired. exactly like any other rando nobody working accounting at walmart.
mircea_popescu: the end result will not be, your excellence inc enacting ramparts and shooting any and all complainers.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt,
mircea_popescu: in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not.
mircea_popescu: in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish
mircea_popescu: consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often.
mircea_popescu: in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
mircea_popescu: the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office.
mircea_popescu: again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita.
mircea_popescu: yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs.
mircea_popescu: to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
mircea_popescu: so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception.
mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot.
mircea_popescu: when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy.
mircea_popescu: stuff "we could be doing" so "it's just as good as if we did it" etc.
mircea_popescu: and entirely imaginary, much like anti-soviet resistence.
mircea_popescu: it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is.
mircea_popescu: and this afaik is based on your experience here and what else lol.