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trinque: paste the actual output with sda; I suspect it's different.
danielpbarron: a gentoo live cd/usb thing
danielpbarron: and also tried pre-mounting and specifying /mnt/gentoo
danielpbarron: i also tried pre-formatting it and specifying /dev/sda1
trinque: lol, one sec, lemme see what's happening in that part
danielpbarron: i tried that!
trinque: gotta actually read the script, see what command it was running.
danielpbarron: ya ya i just did that one for the wotpaste but it's the same output
trinque: you didn't tell it what device to install to.
danielpbarron: woops, it also gives the same output if i do ./install.sh /dev/sda
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque what am i doing wrong here? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Aovvg/?raw=true
danielpbarron: yeah i spelled out #trilema and freenode and also explained that you can google for a webchat url
mircea_popescu: cool ty.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, just called and left a message. if he's interested he should have enough info to join this channel
mircea_popescu: and then a coupla days later : "Objective: Design a method which would allow for the availability of an infinite length random key (automated one-time pad generation), from a finite store of random material."
mircea_popescu: this is it, there is no more needed. what i wish to know of all future cryptosystems is simply "ok mr x, you have here a cryptosystem, but answer me this : IS IT TUNED FOR CHAOS ?"
mircea_popescu: LETS TUNE FOR CHAOS!
mircea_popescu: "One aspect I have been studying, which nobody raised, is that we could find ourselves with a dynamic system, as the key that is generated will be used to program the key generator. This could be a builtin limit to my approach. I still have to think about it. On the other hand, if I could tune it for chaos..."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:46 asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
mircea_popescu: specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761851 ; i have the lingering suspicion i have read something like say "The key management stream is not distinguishable from the rest of the stuff, be it noise, or plaintext." stated in other hands before. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062402.HTM << the champagne bits are choice. the part where "we have fallen out of the system, it's all key driven" even better. this guy's a fabulous kook. i almost think it's worthwhile to make him a reference for discussion of crypto.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:43 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile suny moved on to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3757063/State-University-New-York-Binghampton-offering-Stop-White-People-course-resident-advisors.html
mircea_popescu: w ? was making comments re emacs on vaxen from suny binghamton, then... zip
mircea_popescu: whatever happened of this fellow bt
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that this d00d wasn't 15 y.o
asciilifeform: 'I did publish, separately in sci.crypt, a nostalgic piece about a possible ancestor to this system. You can't very well accuse me of claiming novelty. There is a lot of deviousness and a bit of intelligence in what I proposed, but the novelty is in the way I implement the idea, and in the beneficial side effects.'
mircea_popescu: d. f. boyd has a moment of illumination (yes, you've guessed it, i reed these mostly to see what THE EXPERTS say) : "what happens if i send a block of nulls ? what happens if i set a block of 1s ? what can i do with these two ?"
asciilifeform: sci.crypt was a magnet for these btw
mircea_popescu: "b) the key it does allow you to extract won't be used right away, but at an undetermined time in the futur, depending on the available store of key material, and on the volume of traffic," is actually included verbatim in DEFENSE of the utility of the scheme
mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062301.HTM << the bickering is fucking hysterical.
asciilifeform: and i guess the part where there's a fully dressed gurl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu loox almost like an earthling man in this one ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: oh hah new trilemapic
asciilifeform: there are obvious hungarisms in mainline ro tho
mircea_popescu: northern people, they speak their own romanian.
asciilifeform: 1 has a stereotypical red-tied пионер on the cover
mircea_popescu: sorta ro pulp of the 50s.
mircea_popescu: he's not terrible as a writer.
asciilifeform: phunnily, asciilifeform bought a coupla wizened tomes of sadoveanu at gypsy market in timis
asciilifeform: lol the 'society wives'
mircea_popescu: i was talking to someone and they were all indignant over " a set of international prizes in Life Sciences, Fundamental Physics and Mathematics, was founded by Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner and Julia Milner." because who the fuck is zuckerberg.
asciilifeform: i wonder if they're building a sco hall of unix yet..
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- today they have a 'lemelson hall of invention', which reads quite like a 'eichmann hall of judaism'
asciilifeform: there is a decent museum like this in usa -- smithsonian . but asciilifeform was already 10 by the time he saw it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform local natl history museum had an ancient such item ; along with a yellow diamond and what all else. stored in these immense, pre 1900 wooden behemoths, at that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had physical objects largely from junkyard. with the obvious limitations. until, at least, the comp
mircea_popescu: and the problem with heuristics is -- they self-reinforce. BOTH if broken or if sound. proper knowledge only self-reinforces if sound, but heuristic approaches don't know their own dick from a hole in the ground.
mircea_popescu: i suspect a major "favourable factor" in the supposedly genetics-only "regression to mean" is poorly varied environment for the kids. ie, all sorts of important phenomena ("arbitrarily slow motion" say) not directly perceived.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the physical object
mircea_popescu: did they have the "this dropplet of pitch has been working its clockwork towards dropping for x decades" item in yoru space ?
mircea_popescu: the "this item worked for 50 years, but STILL isn't pm" along with the famous "droppled of pitch" made some useful points for my head.
asciilifeform: this , historically, was not a guaranteed cure tho
mircea_popescu: i never was, because i had met a collection of cvasi pms as a younger boy than that'd have come.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was a bona fide perpetuummobilist for whole, i think , yr
mircea_popescu: hey, a boy is born with a boy brain, it works the same way for all of them.
asciilifeform: 'which totally not same as a prng'
mircea_popescu: then "2. nyah nyah exhaustion turnoff superpower" and then "3. magical key fountain"
asciilifeform: i.e. 'take the fatal boojum and slide it under the carpet. bang! perfection!'
mircea_popescu: they are, IN EXACT ORDER, "1. nyah nyah my key was longer than i said it was"
mircea_popescu: wait till you get to the strategies.
asciilifeform: 'There is the unavoidable problem of K exhaustion to be dealt with. The more streams we need, the faster we use up the K. But considering the ability of the system to provide a high level of confidence, there is nothing to prevent us from cheating a bit. A number of strategies for the rejuvenation of old K material can be left to the imagination of the clients...'
asciilifeform: upstack: the hilarity of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761777 is that it is provably equivalent to otp. but author appears to not have even heard of xor. ( to asciilifeform's anticredit, he as a boy knew of xor, and still came up with exact same rubbish ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'the man who wasn't there'
mircea_popescu: that "one day we forgot to remember" device is so much http://trilema.com/when-did-america-end generation it freakin' bleeds.
mircea_popescu: ok, i take it back, he's not even terrible. here : "I saw her again and she saw me. It seemed that us at last was we. We'd break up, then remember, then one day we forgot to come back together. So she left, then I did, and I never saw her again."
mircea_popescu: if i were a hooker working from delrey, i'd print these and give them out to the sexagenarians.
mircea_popescu: generally you can recognize the undeclared cuck by that sure sign that disavows control of own sexuality. what the everloving fuck is "fated" about fucking ? maybe ~for her~.
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, "Another time mated, thirst again sated, body passing hated, to books I turn, eager to learn, before it's again fated."
mircea_popescu: "This, my mixture of love and hate, is the reason why I hesitate . . . Yes, it is easily done, buy a room for two: Instant me and mine -- then you."
mircea_popescu: ahaha did we do dood's "poetry" ie, as he himself confesses, "i was bored and horny in the army -- so here, cummings sheets" ?
asciilifeform: 'it confuses ME, and other stray dogs, therefor seekoor'
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reason.
asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d ☟︎
mircea_popescu: feistel-ish thing best i can tell
mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/PATS/DYNSBPAT.HTM << in other things
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for somebody this rich i suppose i spent an inordinate amount of time in busses.
mircea_popescu: i guess. tall order tho, even icecubes wear their pants a novel way
asciilifeform: with the tanzania se zice.. song
asciilifeform: prolly there weren't any on that bus
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever met a kid that didn't intrinsically respect invention.
mircea_popescu: SPECIFICALLY for the reason that lies are easier.
mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: to my knowledge ~nobody, including the "professional" cuckeducators/retards they have in the anglo "humanist" tradition turned up the correct version :
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, to me, you know ? EVERY fucking parent since the dawn of time told his kids "don't lie" with all sorts of dumb, dysfunctional ratonalles "you'll go to jail" "i'll beat you up" whatever the fuck.
asciilifeform: will find, e.g., lilienfeld's transistor.
mircea_popescu: one might consider the relationship proposed spurious, on that basis. that one is invited to free up a few weeks of his time and retrospect any field of his choice, see what he finds.
asciilifeform: so today folx credit von neumann
asciilifeform: some items get found regardless of anything. e.g. su had the otp absolute-tightness proof in iirc 1930s
mircea_popescu: still, the "might very well" is extremely hard to do away with.
mircea_popescu: sure. if scholarly, he could have ended up trapped in a contrived reference to reed-solomon.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:18 mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
mircea_popescu: there is no group there (or in general, but in general easier to fake it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there exists nothing but the person, in front of the mystery.
mircea_popescu: and i mean it quite specifically as strong as "if djb weren't a spook, and honest enough a man to look at the problem correctly, he would probably have had lubby before lubby did. certainky he was smart enough."
mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty. ☟︎
asciilifeform: betcha d00d would barf at v. 'where's the centralized incatron'
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 14:21 mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."