asciilifeform: this blew me away when i first found out - derps are STILL running on the fumes of the great german rocket of ~1900
asciilifeform: hey, not universal once mircea_popescu unpacked his pith helmet and started the colonization, eh ?
asciilifeform: or neither, and won't even fit in my orc skull. or.
asciilifeform: thus far i don't even know if mircea_popescu's concept is absolute ('must afford dirigible') or simply 'stay out of bottom 10% of social pyramid' or what.
asciilifeform: i.e. some useful concept of 'what is poverty' derived from shared priors.
asciilifeform: wasn't asking for the couch, but for sufficiently many intersecting planes in the vector space that we might arrive at a spot that looks like couch would fit there.
asciilifeform: what kind of discussion can we have without a definition ?
asciilifeform: next i suppose we can debate how many nm wavelength begins colour 'red'.
asciilifeform: well what am i to do with 'this is a subjective perception'
asciilifeform: so since noses un unscrew, and i cannot trade with mircea_popescu for each other to see what stinks to the other, the train typically stops there.
asciilifeform: so far it resembles, in my mind, an entirely subjective thing, like, e.g., 'stinks'. stinking depends on the nose in question.
asciilifeform: well i didn't proceed, because still unable to conceive a useful (and general) def of poverty.
asciilifeform: ok so all mircea_popescu said earlier is 'solving 1-dim. optimization is trivial' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes, in the context of, e.g., dark ages europe, 'non-stinking snatch' possibly required considerably more standing in hierarchy than presently. so context matters.
asciilifeform: definition can , as iirc was richly expounded on in the l0gz, also shift based on what we think is 'basic op'
asciilifeform: or washing. .....or earning enough to have a place to wash.
asciilifeform: well traditionally folks say 'yes, stupid' when somebody is unable to learn what we think of as 'basic' process, e.g., reading street sign.
asciilifeform: also imho this thread can go somewhere useful still. in a ru (or i suspect any) prison cell, there are 'poverty' people, even if there is no money in the cell.
asciilifeform: (did the chinese actually call it 'mu' or was i lied to)
asciilifeform: there was some thread re 'driven by poverty' but i can't seen to unearth it
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to operate with a definition of 'stupid' that encompasses everybody on planet3 but mircea_popescu and five other d'artagnans, this is his business alone, and not mine
asciilifeform: nah it is just that mircea_popescu poses a riddle where there is 'or your ox wanders off' and i dun have an ox, and have to spend quite a few cpu cycles mapping it onto what i actually do.
asciilifeform: i really love mircea_popescu's 'choose hole a or hole b', 'fork in the eye or once up the arse?' (ru prison riddle) tests.
asciilifeform: no room for naggum folk? (and are they poor? unpoor?)
asciilifeform: not everyone who works is a 'gotta hurry back to work'
asciilifeform: for my edification, let's hear mircea_popescu's picture of 'poverty'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it makes difference if we want to even have a meaningful dissection of subj.
asciilifeform: does it include... all folx who work for a living? anyone with one fewer wine bottle than mircea_popescu's cellar contains ? folx without dirigibles? what.
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure that mircea_popescu and i agree on a def of 'poverty'
asciilifeform: nobody's called until a suspect is arraigned
asciilifeform: and this 'not known' is a mighty selective thing, like the rest of the 'rule of law' crock of shit. e.g., why not close ALL unsolved murders, by positing that martians nailed them via telekinesis.
asciilifeform: judge is a brain, and not a 'prolog' proggy, for a reason, neh ?
asciilifeform: i mean, if you genuinely can't throw out 'expert witness' based on known physical process throwing an exception...
asciilifeform: betcha parthenogenesis is in there, somewhere
asciilifeform: in that case it would be interesting to catalogue the 'miracles' that 'are possible' as per u.s. judicial precedent.
asciilifeform: sane judge would consider frozen sperms, faked deaths, falsified paternity test, in some order, prior to admitting an undiscovered biological process.
asciilifeform: this'd be worth the stockholm gold (if it still were a real thing)
asciilifeform has nfi what the precedent for these is
asciilifeform: well, at any rate the public whipping post only ever contains the folks who didn't make it to the ocean.
asciilifeform: 'In a 2006 video posted on YouTube promoting the society, Mr. Davidson is seen standing before a group of musicians and speaking about his organization. In the video, Mr. Bedi can be seen standing silently next to Mr. Davidson.' << gold.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, here we have some mind-bogglingly bovine rich, and pretty clever poverty..?
asciilifeform: 'On his website, Mr. Davidson doesn't mention his family's affiliation with Schlumberger, instead focusing on his long career composing and performing music. A spokeswoman for Schlumberger declined to comment. Mr. Davidson is also the founder and president of the Society for Universal Sacred Music...'
asciilifeform: 'He said that in the days before they were arrested, the couple were preparing to leave the U.S. for Iceland where Ms. Invarsdottir's father, Ingvar Karlsson, is a prominent businessman.'
asciilifeform: must've been one hell of a schlumberger, for great-grandson to have 21m to piss away.
asciilifeform: 'The victim, a noted pianist and composer, is the great-grandson and great grand-nephew of the two brothers who founded Schlumberger Ltd.'
asciilifeform: Bedi further related that his uncle obtained information that Polish priests affiliated with Opus Dei were attempting to possibly harm the victim. Bedi also advised the victim that the Central Intelligence Agency had subcontracted with Bedi to perform work which would prevent any attempts by the Polish priests associated with Opus Dei to infiltrate the U.S. government.'
asciilifeform: 'Bedi subsequently advised the victim that he successfully tracked the source of the computer virus to a remote village in Honduras. Bedi informed him that the hard drive was the source of the worm that had invaded the computer and advised the victim that Bedi’s uncle, who Bedi contended is an officer in the Indian military, flew to Honduras in an Indian military aircraft during a reconnaissance mission and obtained the hard drive.
asciilifeform: or cannibalize how, for door stoppers ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this implies you have one or more of'em in service ?!
