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ben_vulpes: mod6: it's not a personal attack, i disagree
that i agreed
that v.pl was doing
the Right
Thing in leaving ~/.gnupgtmp hanging around
trinque: gabriel_laddel: honestly why should anyone give a fuck
to improve you.
gabriel_laddel: aite. but ftr you can ASSIGN me stuff
that I will do. eg, leaving CA, finding job. Eventually was convinced.
mod6: i hope you're not
trying
to say
that im simply making
this up
mod6: my vtron has been discussed very much over
the last 2+ years. i remember many disucssions where rules popped out.
☟︎ mod6: <+ben_vulpes> logs save us from
the "but i
thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory. << i feel ya. if you wanna help me dig,
that'd be awesome.
ben_vulpes: mod6: make a disposable
tempdir like stans original and my port. i don't know whence
this 'agree', stan's original was clear enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which part of
trilema is plaintext ?
the part where it says fuckyoui or
the part where it says fuckyou((norly)) ?
mod6: and
the details of what
the change is
to do are clear so I can implement
them as such.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-25 23:10 asciilifeform: because, again,
the whole 'plain
text' jwzism and
the attendant retardation. somehow 'lines' are a
thing.
ben_vulpes: logs save us from
the "but i
thought we agreed" floppy meatsack memory.
mod6: i know, i haven't had a chance
to look yet.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you gotta quote chapter and verse from
the logs
to support "outcome of
that discussion".
mircea_popescu: as i say -- i see no way out here ; we'll end up with
the v-code + blog-commentary ostrich-camel and god help us./
mircea_popescu: this is
the problem. you can't disagree with my
theory and i have no practical solution for your pain.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> second , as in
the case discussed in
the
thread, if a run aborts, it creates a mine for next run
to step on. <<
try
to realize
that
this is on-purpose. im certain
that we've had
this discussion before and what exists is
the outcome of
that discussion.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> no good. first of all suppose
there are 2 concurrent runs of
the vtron ( say
this is a cuntoo pressing itself ) << yeah, concurrent runs of my vtron are a no-go.
mircea_popescu: it's actually SO BAD
that people go re-implement
the same damned X
thing for
the 90th
time as a substitute of commentary ; and nobody looking understands wtf
that is.
mircea_popescu: until
this is resolved,
the perennial results will repeat.
mircea_popescu: in any case, here's
the logic :
the proximate cause of
the failure of "computer science"
to amount
to 0 (not epsilon, 0) since its inception is strictly due
to poor
treatment of comments as 2nd class item in code.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform somehow you jump from "my printer is shit, doesn't work properly"
to "either magic number or
throw out printer"
☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform picture scene from film 'idiocracy', where hero gets 'his name', 'Not Sure',
tattooed on forehead << his arm, but yeah, great movie.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway you
turn it,
the concept of magic number's not defensible.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason your father+grandfather haven't amounted
to as much of a fart as a workable os.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and write
too little of
them and
too sparse and lose out
to
the other variant in
the end.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
there's no possible solution here ; i expect
the defacto result will be
that patches will consist of code, wrapped 80, including 0 comments, plus blogposts, consisting of commentary, with some haphazard code reference.
ben_vulpes: want
to corroborate what appear
to be facts before plowing down a possibly retarded path
though
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 13:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'best
thing is never
to have programmed at all' or how did socrates put it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if
true,
this is == "code is not worth either writing or reading"
mircea_popescu: "we are incapable
to reflow and here's a magic number instead" differentiates monkey from man
mircea_popescu: code and comments do not, actually mix ;
the fault is entirely of bad but entrenched habits of code writers.
mircea_popescu: seems atm we uncovered
the deep limit on literate code.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 09:56 diana_coman: which is perfectly fine with me for code; it's still grating for comments and I'm not sure how
this will resolve, it sort of pushes comments out of code (to a place where one can read
them as
text not as code-which-they-are-not)
ben_vulpes: hey man i only figured out how conditionals worked
today
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is
there some way of doing iteration with
the opcodes from ch4 ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz from
the road, "nombre ?" "credible" "apellido ?" "justin".
ben_vulpes: then at
that point
the historical perspective was obviously necessary and i've simply never seen modern arch's as anything other
than complexity madness in search of itty bitty performance gains on systems nobody can actually reason about
ben_vulpes: i only started
thinking about compute because of bitcoin, and shortly after i started
thinking about it in earnest (like maybe a month, six weeks something like
that) you showed up in #b-a and /even at
that point/ were
talking about eg
trinary circuits and computing fabric
ben_vulpes: i've never been burdened with
the "This Is How
Things Are" of
the c-machine
ben_vulpes: it all strikes me as so very silly on
the surface but i have a weird lens of not having
thought about any of
the related shit until ~2013 and even
then only
through republican eyes
ben_vulpes: iphones apparently vulnerable
to SPECTRE
too, hilariously
ben_vulpes: is mktemp widely installed enough
to be used here?
mod6: the keyring
that gpg needs
to run
mod6: i don't have a chance right
this moment
to do
that, will look
tho when i can
mod6: now, i can add an attempt
to remove
the
thing before we even begin main(), but i
thought we had discussed
this. i'll have
to dig up
the old
thread.
mod6: and if you ^C
the
thing mid-way
through
the execution, you'll never hit remove_tmpdir
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: an aborted run of vtron should not be able
to put a caltrop for subsequent run
to die on.
this is imho elementary.
mod6: im getting pulled off here... i'ma
try
to circle back
to
this but...
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't actually recall any agreement on
the
topic, you did yours one way and i another, and i cannot recall how asciilifeform's original handled
this
a111: Logged on 2015-11-05 02:08 asciilifeform: -- a unique
thing
that never was and never will be again.
ben_vulpes: had
to go beat self with everything i was never beaten with starting in my early
twenties when
the republic kicked off
mod6: im pretty sure we all had
this discussion once upon a
time, and it's only doing now, what we agreed
to do before. I can go and dig for
that.
mod6: otherwise, my vtron handles
the creation and deletion of
that .gnupgtmp dir on its own.