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asciilifeform: could, and for all i know this is already in place, replace ptacek et al with eliza.
mircea_popescu: whole thing's based on the idea that no past, no future, never will have to answer for anything etc.
mircea_popescu: it's hard to believe they even trhink at all, just type what's on the paper slip, move on.
mircea_popescu: recall when gmaxwell said "oh, i showed $item to "everyone in pr team" and the median time to break it was $minutes" and provided no further details ?
phf: fwiw i don't think he even made it to the end of the "crypto suffers from..." list
asciilifeform: i dun expect he even made it to the bottom of ch1
asciilifeform: phf: d00d is paid for simple job. he did the job, moved on to next item on conveyor
phf: i like how who was it ptacek who "grabbed popcorn" at the mention of "all existing crypto suffers from...", but since them no comment.
asciilifeform: there may be ~something~ salvageable in it, but i was not able to see what exactly.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: kochanski's method ( at least as described on his www ) very definitely took variant times.
apeloyee: it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits << I thought it was to choose what to add? can't prove right now, though
asciilifeform: but this was probably already obvious.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bonus lul: you can trivially turn 'primehash' (let's for nao call it..) into a symmcipher ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621207 ) . ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, asciilifeform's brother not long ago said to asciilifeform re ffaseries, 'think, how many chinese phd theses you've written'
shinohai: np, if you need any help with registration feel free to message
asciilifeform: 'hey hey, ho ho,' rotorism 'has got to go'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 23:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, ALL, without exception, blockcipher and streamcipher, published to date, are ~enigma
asciilifeform: ^ this item is part of asciilifeform's larger thrust, to expunge every remaining vestige of the ( muchly nsa-pushed , for 60+ yrs nao ) 'rotorism' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686308 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-29#1147450 , elsewhere ) from sane crypto. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: nao only somebody gotta prove that it dun leak structure... ( or if it does -- just how much )
asciilifeform: so thereby you nao have the sponge.
asciilifeform: and , beauty is, can be scaled up to fit cpu budget
asciilifeform: the objection last time we had this thread ( iirc by mircea_popescu ) was the pain of doing this with large inputs
mircea_popescu: now this much is quote cogent.
asciilifeform: for what do we need the heathentronic liquishit-mix trapdoor algos.
asciilifeform: so naturally invites the q of 'why not a trapdoor based on multiplication of primes'.
mircea_popescu: and for the record : prime generation (as in trpng) is not THAT expensive these days.
mircea_popescu: entirely true that if one builds a hash which can be provenly as strong as rsa, then thathash powered oaep would be the natural padding for rsa
asciilifeform: it is if i can remove one of the unfounded postulates and still have working item.
mircea_popescu: unless you have proof that no such thing as a hash can be made, it's more useful than "this seems obfuscaxy to me!"
mircea_popescu: every proof will postulate something ; this is not a cogent objection.
asciilifeform: they proof postulates the strength of the hash.
mircea_popescu: ok then.
mircea_popescu: dja understand the difference between "proven strong" and "decent" "satisfactory" etc other offthecuffness ?
asciilifeform: whereas one ~could~ build one where rsa per se must fall, for it to fall.
asciilifeform: nope. again, as strong as the hash. hash falls -- it falls.
mircea_popescu: the scheme ~itself~ is ~proven~ to be strong. which is way the fuck more than can be said of the "decent" or "satisfactory" in above.
asciilifeform: theoretically could make one that only stands on 1, rsa.
asciilifeform: an oaep (or similar scheme) ciphertron rests on 2 elephants : strength of rsa, and strength of the (voodoo) hash.
mircea_popescu: "this compuer is proven correct" "only as correct as the inputs" "stfu"
asciilifeform: nope. no hash has ever been proven to be anything whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one item proved to be strong.
asciilifeform: as strong ~as the hash~
mircea_popescu: it's the one item proved to be strong.
mircea_popescu: padding is the ~one item where we actually don't need a fix.
asciilifeform: ( in fact, if we had a decent prime-constructor, 'cut it in half and multiply the 2 large primes you get , 1 from each half' would be a decent hash for such use )
asciilifeform: and incidentally, all you want for padding is a n-bit-to-n-bit hash; and if rsa itself is strong, than simple modexp ( or , if you like, two, 1 the normal way, and then 1 of the output bits, reversed ) is a satisfactory hash for paddings.
ben_vulpes: can't dance well unless you've stared starvation in the eyes in the past three years apparently
shinohai: That's some 1984-level stripper shit there ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's , what, a day of train away, neh
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:55 asciilifeform: for coupla hundy you could prolly get a tailored set . ( asciilifeform did not stay longenuff to investigate )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769006 << yes but in cluj not in tm. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: you'd think but the poor girls dance just like they always did
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cuz teh women are too fat / lazy to do it anymoar amirite.
ben_vulpes: while we're on the topic of american ersatzolade: https://www.recode.net/2018/1/9/16870894/ces-2018-pole-dancing-robots-giles-walker-strip-club-las-vegas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform angle ? what angle. these are simpleminded people, not up to angles yet. those are the WORDS.
mircea_popescu: woman is not a profession. bank "for agricultors" makes sense because4 they get leasing deals with the machinery producers.
asciilifeform: what's the angle?
mircea_popescu: i find it apt it'd be the definitive stripper's name, but really now, a bank FOR WOMEN ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, there's a "bank for women" thing here, called "crystal"
asciilifeform: ^ complete with win .exe 'wallet' , a la yesterday's archaeological thread
asciilifeform: eb services on-board to accept WOMEN COIN is one of their official payment methods.'
asciilifeform: 'Women coin will become the ultimate business coin for women. We all know that this altcoin market is mainly operated by men, just like the entire world. We want to stop this. From this moment on everyone should keep in mind that we women are as important as men. This is why Women coin project has been formed. ... We want to bring the female standard of importance under the attention with every WOMEN coin trade. Also we want to get w
shinohai: "Confused Trump Tricked by Fox News Into Opposing His Own Surveillance Bill" <<< kek
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought point was "ghost keystroke".
asciilifeform: point is not that resonance is physically impossible, but that enemy cannot win by ever betting on a particular one
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:44 phf: heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768995 << try buy yourself silk dress shirts, see. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but yes it goes back to the eternal 'what is random' thread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitionally, if your rng is any good, it will type out shakespeare every so often.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:42 phf: my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768992 << model m more complex than 1960s trabant! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:28 asciilifeform: phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768978 << well it'll make much less obvious resonances so that's a win :D ☝︎
asciilifeform: it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits
apeloyee: likely kochanski's multiplier is the next simplest thing
apeloyee: when wire delay is comparable to component delay
asciilifeform: apeloyee: saves time. i.e. isn't o(n^3), elementarily
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whole idea is you reg your co with whatever inept fiatola site (bitstamp, whatever) and move into cash that way.
apeloyee: karatsuba's saves area only, not time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll press the accountant on the bank applying strategy, and approach banks on my own until the list is exhausted.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: i've thought about 'what is minimal circuit for rsa'. i.e. ideally would eat x,y,m , of b bitness, and shit forth x^y mod m after ~b^3 clock cycles.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eg, have you "applied" to every single bank in town, making it plain to them that UNLESS they get it done by next week they will probably lose out on the business AND that it is to your superior white man eye inconceivable as well as a shocking break from human community that they take so very long,. and shoulds really be very ashamed of self, much like waiter who takes a piss in your wine ?
asciilifeform: it'd work. and would also let you rearrange the keys
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well so what do we do ? because so far this is starting to look like complete writeoff.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i designed once ( but never built ) a kbd where each key sits on a 2wire bus, and has time slot
mircea_popescu 's money is on "packeted format!!!!" as solution to this lel
asciilifeform: orig observation was re 'no reason why not 122 tracks inside kbd, going to a cpld'
BingoBoingo: The datacenter folks released these anecdotes yesterday. The extent of the sovietitude here beyond "Latinos burn 10 days on fireworks" is something I was not anticipating.
mircea_popescu: phf seems your cable being unchanged the samne problem may even recur!
phf: well, it's 800 to the controller, not, like, straight to machine
asciilifeform: 'wire' dun have to mean, typically, physical wire with circular cross section
asciilifeform: ( a lot more than 800 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know how many tracks in typical pc mobo ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:27 phf: hmm, they gave up on 1 key 1 wire long before though. those pdp keyboards, dec? was space cadet it?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768972 << no way, what, 800 wires ? on time tech it'd have been a foot thick that cable. ☝︎
trinque: I'll be out for a while today, back in the evening
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:54 danielpbarron: trinque, oh lol ur right sorry
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769049 << nah lets get it going on your hardware too. idea is we get kernels in there for usable hardware. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (i.e. you don't need a universal shift register, can make 'constant' value using a just-in-time-cooked bitstream loaded in for that particular occasion)