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a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd
time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed
to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat --
to abolish
the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:26 asciilifeform: caaddr:
this is why you disasm and audit
the bin before deploying
to
the rocket
BingoBoingo: In other sad news, Slayer announced
their farewell
tour. Another metal band falls
to
the Raggaeton onslaught.
mircea_popescu: (holy shit
these illiterate schmucks, so
they spell it impetuous as
the adjective but "impetus" as
the noun. what
the everloving fuck is
this and where did my diaresis go!)
mircea_popescu: (which -- how come nobody goes "hey, rms wasted
through failing
to save so and so engineer years in
that whole fiasco".
there's
this very iritatingly wikipedian attitude of universalist nonsense, "we decided on x all avoidable sacrifice is going
to be piously frauded into necessary now". and i dun like it.)
mircea_popescu: iirc it was at least on
the surface
the impetuus/justification for
the fruitless excursion in desert
that was gnu attempt.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:23 caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is
the answer
to
the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided
this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:22 asciilifeform:
this would seem
to create
the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear
to me
that
there ever were 2.
there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat)
mircea_popescu: ~same
thing as "received holy book", ie why
the eastern version yielded "orthodoxy".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but ~the concept~. "none of
this makes any sense but it happened
to schelling point yearsd ago back when
this decaying empire was slightly better so what can we do".
caaddr: I'd
tell somebody
that
too if I wanted
to eat
them
mircea_popescu: i believe it is very important
to inform
the kids what
the adults are up
to, you know ?
mircea_popescu was once left with fambly's 4 yo daughther while
they ran around setting
the
table etc for later dinner, proceeded
to convincingly
tell
the little girl
the whole preparation's really
to EAT HER. ran off screaming/was skittish
the whole rest of
the day.
mircea_popescu: caaddr dun worry about it, i just ask cuz im curious not cuz i'm setting up
the
table
to eat you.
caaddr: in any case, I hope
to contribute what little I can.
thinking here seems
to align with mine
caaddr: that'll have
to be pushed
to
the stack,
time's running low for
the evening
mircea_popescu: item's been looking for someone
to pick up
the "no, really mp, anonimity is actually a net positive"
torch for a long
time now. be my guest.
mircea_popescu: why all
the coyness anyway. dja ever read
the anonimity discussion, as it happens ?
caaddr: various computing sector
tasks. like all modern men, I can skin a rabbit, smelt my own copper, build my own hut. computational equivalents, of course. strangely
these
turn out
to be valuable
traits,
though easily gotten
caaddr: let's see about
the value of my vpatches
caaddr: very much like
that, yes
mircea_popescu: so are you basically an engineer flattering himself on
the grounds of "hey, online brokerages let anyone open an account
these days!"
then ?
mircea_popescu: (for
the noobs : arbitrage as a financial "fashionable" item,
the sorta
thing
tom cruise might be doing
to explain why he has all
that money and
time
to pursue "slavegirls" came
to light during
the 70s mergers and acquisitions craze (aka, m&a), where
the success/failure of an attempt
to
takeover induces significant yet economically meaningless price movements.
the whys and wherefores of both
the behaviour and its effects are
mircea_popescu: you're sitting
there and
telling me you're a suit with a working comprehension of
the underlying
technology ? what
the fuck is
this,
the future ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
to me either. i'm mostly putting
the matter into over-enunciated discussion
to get
the
thinkjuices flowing on
the
topic, as it's gonna be
the main bitch for years
to come.
mircea_popescu: who is
this guy anyway ? do we get
to
that part in
the log ?
mircea_popescu: people put
their email in
there all
the
time ; which got zimmerman banned in my book, because i wrote
to
the email and he responded
that he "long ago lost
the key".
caaddr: trinque: so
the only use we have is actually a *negative* use
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 22:34 phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear
to me what "properly handle" is, given
the many conversations on
the subj.
there's no reason why it couldn't if
there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning
towards
the idea
that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest
thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic
take
caaddr: and my vpatch was
trivial work, I just wanted
to report it here
to avoid other ffa pioneers having
to duplicate
trivialities
trinque: caaddr:
to date
the only use I've seen is people put an expiration date on a key,
then whine
to me about swapping it out
caaddr: I was able
to migrate
to Adacore 2016 okay, for what it's worth
caaddr: I don't know if anybody is actually using PGP, now you mention it. outside of
the serene republic
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i
think at
this point i will declare gpl-gnat
to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
caaddr: it would be entertaining/devastating
to survey how many users of PGP actually use
the extra metadata besides
the primes and exponent in
the first place
mircea_popescu: which explains why gpg 1 has but gpg2 has not : by
the
time gpg2 came out,
there was an absolute lower bound firmly in place, and well...
TOO BIG. "people could never handle
this!"
caaddr: because
that's what
they saw in a LEET PGP guide
that somebody wrote in 2003. it's gotta be safe, it's a guide! on
the web! copy and paste,
try not
to
think
too hard about what's formatting what
caaddr: primes, who could need
those? what
the user really needs are a hundred poorly named command line flags
to manipulate a keychain state
that
they normally control using easily spoofed
truncated fingerprints
caaddr: indeed.
this inversion of "fundamental principles" with "implementation details best left hidden from
the 'casual' user" is all of a pattern
mircea_popescu: they literally could not conceive HOW
to give you
those.
mircea_popescu: this may seem weird considering we've had numbers for a long
time. but i am pretty certain
that's what
the problem is.
mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't "allow"
the exporting of your own damned primes because IT DOES NOT KNOW HOW
TO NOTATE
THEM.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, plain idiocy as opposed
to
the malevolent sort, is perhaps best rendered as "missing formats".
caaddr: as far as I can
tell, you can either rewrite
their shitware from scratch and surgically remove
the primes yourself, or you can import it into
the less damaged gpg1
to achieve much
the same in a less irritating way
mircea_popescu: im certain
that's not it.
there's
two causes of
the by now well identified and documented pantsuit idiocy.
caaddr: something from
the same book: gpg2 does not allow export of
the
two RSA primes, p and q, from a password protected key. it does not
think
that you *own your own primes*.
the primes upon which your reputation rests
mircea_popescu: one day eric raymond came
to mp and said "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" ; mp extended him
the can of beluga roe he was dipping into : "here you go, a whole <<<new software movement>>>". eric raymond never understood what just happened.
mircea_popescu: caaddr
this is amply discussed, generally under
the "not as much as a fucking working cipher omfg"
caaddr: which revealed a general "caveman with microscope" level attitude
towards
that
technology. it occurs
to me
that
the fact nothing like phuctor existed before shows
the same caveman approach
to all of cryptography, not just blockchains
caaddr: asciilifeform, remember you said something a while ago about
there being a lack of basic
tools for interrogating information contained within
the blockchain?
mircea_popescu: caaddr empire ~stole
the box, started quest for republican isp.
caaddr: can it be resurrected phoenix-like from
the disk whereon it resides?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anyone gives a shiot abput
the gimmick.
BingoBoingo: <caaddr> what if
there had been a multipart guide
to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing
the end purpose of
the software until
the end? would
that have attracted more or less commentary? << No one wants
to read more random python
mircea_popescu: caaddr
there's
this occasional scam on
the internet, most recently "urbit".
mircea_popescu: the correlate of postmodern confusion is
that i'd so much rather gouge out an eye
than watch another benjamin-shithead movie.
caaddr: what if
there had been a multipart guide
to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing
the end purpose of
the software until
the end? would
that have attracted more or less commentary?
mircea_popescu: the cruise... "it's nice, i guess", but it doesn't fucking hurt and
the stump doesn't bleed afterwards, why even bother.
mircea_popescu: people WANT
to be asked for parts of
their own fucking body cut off with a half bent spork.
mircea_popescu: going up
to a woman and asking her if she'd like
to be put in chains and whipped is going
to produce significantly better results
than going up
to a woman and proposing you
take her out for a yacht cruise.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:08 caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of
the ffalib guide