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asciilifeform: i'ma crib a method from mircea_popescu : ben_vulpes how long do ya think you need to say ~whether you have info~ for us to work with
asciilifeform: what i specifically want to avoid, is the scenario where we 'ok ben_vulpes fix' and then month later we're moar-phucked
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... this wk ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you suspect the eggog was on your watch... do you think you can get the correct #s today ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am vehehehery confused nao; i definitely recall a common lisp tabulator thing with numberz
mircea_popescu: i certainly can see the narrative that goes "first, the task was to add 6 and 8 and 11 ; then ben_vulpes wanted to take some hours to print out an adhesive 25 to paste on a box we'd therefore call computer ; then mod6 took a few days to complicatedly add by hand to 24 and 26 and so on". it's still a 0.3 second job, harsh mistress experiences notwithstanding.
ben_vulpes: and i never used a program because, (again cannot find the log link in reasonable-response time) at one point i was working on a schema for tracking customers and what they were paying for and mircea_popescu said something along the lines of "wtf this is a simple text file and accounting problem" ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 15:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on 'fyootoor techs' : i suspect that a working radio net would make 'robo-pizarro' a substantially moar practical notion. ( i.e. if 'cage' could in just about anywhere, not necessarily 'dc' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if robo-woman can muster the hiring of actual pair of hands, to hoist boxen, weasel heathens into 'bank acct', etc -- then yes. tho it still wouldn't crack the problem of 'loyal hands'
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part where physical irons move, get hoisted, endisked, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good % of isp is sadly not automatable with present tech. but spreadshit is not one of'em
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes eventually we will want 'software package' imho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was ben_vulpes's thing, and doesn't appear to be in the pgpball, was a separate communique, part of ben_vulpes's 'i'm off to the desert' msg
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 14:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals) << There was a program?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Thank you for how to cut and kill the hairball
asciilifeform: biologically damaged folx, i.e. 'cucks', do apparently exist, mircea_popescu documented the subj half to death, yes
mircea_popescu: of http://trilema.com/2017/juno/#footnote_3_71569 nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: met whom? 'prince' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ~is~ small body of non-(realtime)-publishable fact, e.g. who's sending wires, logins, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours, i think, is moar of a case of 'this is nice rifle, let's take it fishing', pgp offers temptation to 'cipher and then see later', i agree that it is dangerous.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: indeed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing does contain 'launch codes' presently. it needs some actual disentanglement, after which i expect pgp-turd traffic will be minimal ( just how often we change launch codes ?? ) and 99+% of the thing is to be posted in realtime.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will start with exactly this. imho it will suffice.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 02:39 mircea_popescu: what do you even scale them with ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100% troo
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you see any potential problem in idea of making the 'spreadshit' realtime-public ? ( when we get heathen customers, they may want their names omitted, i suppose, but as it stands i can't picture why not )
asciilifeform: presently appears that i may have to 'disentangle' it with own hands ( if mod6 has nervous breakdown ) and put it back in service. it was retired when ben_vulpes went into sabbatical, mod6 preferred to do the numbers with pen
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_tab.html << corrections of central column or other init params, welcome
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw, the 'legacy hairball' was actually a common lisp rewrite of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809743 item ( and iirc published here ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 16:21 mircea_popescu: you seriously can't be sitting there spending hours on this pennies thing.
mod6: Perhaps I can convince ben_vulpes to help take a look at it with us.
trinque: I ftr don't see why BingoBoingo doesn't run the thing, as mircea_popescu has also amply wtf'd
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough. ben said something to me on the phone, "double entry accounting". I don't even know what that is. But, my guess is that I'm supposed to know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My inclination is to wait and ping when we send the next round of invoices, but the man is overwhelmed
asciilifeform: btw the inventory shows that disks are available for that machine, if mircea_popescu & co want it fully en-disked.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have an open invoice for the S.MG test machine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 has 2 ( 3? 4? ) children, even. but soldiers on.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's anyone's experience btw ? cca how long does it take to ~keep current~ with logs on a weekly basis ? << I do anywhere from 2 to nearly 4 hours a day on logs when rabbitholing is factored in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i 'cheat' by having logs on dedicated panel in peripheral vision at all times when awake. but when waking up sometimes 20-30min catchup, ditto when venturing into meatspace and returning (for as much as whole day ) can be >hr
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall mircea_popescu's minitower in argentina ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yes but oddly he can never seem to source anything locally. << Slowly improving
mod6: http://mod6.net/2018/November/10/timetable_first_half_nov.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently i have a quite rare & advantageous ( 0 commute ) saecular throne i'd rather not yet vacate
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 18:39 mircea_popescu: a shop of used computer parts is a great complement for a dc op.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after ffa/p beta rollout, i'ma be at yer service for the next thing ( fg2? tmsr.mips ? radio ? or other, take yer pick )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'bigendian box' -- i invested in one of them 'asic emulator' mega-fpga thingies, it so happens to come with 2 ppc cores on board, can double as bigendism test system. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is legit, ' mircea_popescu's server is little-endian and if your client aint, flip ~yours~ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you only gotta 'process twice' for rubbish packets ( if legit fella has bigendian, he gets 'twiced' once and flag is set for his connection ) but yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: serpent's constanttime tho
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , other potential ffa eaters ^
hanbot: mircea_popescu: surething. i'm saying i don't think growing pains == unreliability in any sense.
mod6: mircea_popescu: I'm sorry you've lost faith in me, and if I could some how fix it, I would. The only thing I can figure that is wrong here is that I'm in way over my head.
mod6: ben_vulpes was going to look it over, but I don't think he had a chance.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 coming on the heels of the misspecced auction and so on, this looks terrifying. << Yeah, I screwed up the auction. I apologize. We had hoped to get some oversight on the last months statement from pizarro but it didn't happen. It might not even be incorrect, and BingoBoingo's draft might not be even incorrect.
a111: 2018-11-04 <ben_vulpes> will be making new contacts in the next month to find a shared cab for racking the foundation machine i lugged across the continent
asciilifeform: !#seen ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: incidentally what's the status of ben_vulpes ? is he still spending all of his time building fence around old house, or what was it
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 20:37 mircea_popescu: http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/ << did we ever discuss this ? :D
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 20:35 mircea_popescu: get that memory in bit format before it volatiles away.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
asciilifeform: iirc it was mircea_popescu who orig suggested the algo to me
mircea_popescu: diana_coman screw that, what "tries"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 16:56 asciilifeform: also how come you need procedure Cast_LE( LE: in out Raw_Types.Octets ) ? i thought the algo was 'if message invalid, flip endianism in whole thing and re-eval before discard'
mircea_popescu: Mocky_ incidentally, now that you've rested, spending a few weeks publishing fleshouts / completing things / etc will be invaluable.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 19:29 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870634 -> lol, I'll fix
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nqb/varints__adb.htm is example. ( actually worx )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i've found that the ada standard serialization, with the streams, does in fact work as specified. however i have not used in battlefield, remains to be properly exercised.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: slowly but surely a republican ada style manual is shaping up (and through the exact http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865304 process, at that!)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, absent this logical rule, we'll do what, add "wordwrap(magicnumber" in the unloved v style manual ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah, whether there IS a problem really or not quite
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman , i repeatedly refer to 'nqb' but it not yet got genesis'd, i did however gnathtml-ize it for reference : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/nqb/index.htm fwiw
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's perfectly permissible to define, e.g., subtype foo 1 .. 40 of a 2**5 modular type that lives in 5bits; and catch the out-of-range eggog when reading it
diana_coman: this is what I had in mind; it helps but: diana_coman> in which case fine, it can perhaps even work like that for most messages except stuff that has max>message size and/or stuff that has meaningful data *after* this variable part
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the reason n is there is to tell you how much data is useful. what if you fixed n to max at depack size, and then delivered n=max records to application, and it is ITS job to discard the extras ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the problem (if there is one) is not space in itself for sure
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 14:07 mircea_popescu: the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman specifically, why doesn't http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-195.0-195.48 simply say "from 1 to 15" or w/e it is ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 16:43 mircea_popescu: diana_coman is the structure actually problematic ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman would it be smart if i defined the count types narrowly ? ie, bitwise ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 17:00 mircea_popescu: diana_coman your guy has smileys kek.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 16:52 asciilifeform: diana_coman: and while we're nitpicking, Serpent message types can be an enumeration (see barnes)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman your guy has smileys kek. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Result := Shift_Right(Result, <img src='http://ossasepia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> xor
asciilifeform: in diana_coman's article
mircea_popescu: $ curl http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/05rm/html/RM-3-5-1.html | grep "Shift_Right(Result"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu what do you see when you grep for Shift_Right(Result ?
asciilifeform: also how come you need procedure Cast_LE( LE: in out Raw_Types.Octets ) ? i thought the algo was 'if message invalid, flip endianism in whole thing and re-eval before discard' ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/05rm/html/RM-3-5-1.html )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and while we're nitpicking, Serpent message types can be an enumeration (see barnes) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: btw the LSB/MSB/LMSB thing can be made slightly clearer / less-ctronic by actually making'em into 1-bit members of the record; gnat will do The Right Thing re padding
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is the structure actually problematic ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho mircea_popescu's protocol is simple enuff , however, that it doesn't make a gigantic difference that you walk the records explicitly, in re complexity of proggy
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ' I admit I am still not 100% sure of the actual, exact representation of such a record containing itself parametrized records since my understanding is that Ada will allocated maximum space (i.e. space to fit potentially the largest structure) ' >> i dug into this when baked 'nqb'. what it does is exactly this, recursively ( for ~each~ subrecord, allocates the maximum possible size ; ditto any subrecords. ) the represen
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