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asciilifeform: 2y ago asciilifeform found a ru firm that cloned altera's larger fpga. they do SAME THING

asciilifeform: in principle it would be trivial to bake a standardized, commoditized fpga. the 'gowin' people could have easily done this, an' published the interconnect scheme and the delay map. BUT what no one knows how to do, is to make this a +ev proposition. observe, the chinese had no interest in trying to commoditize , but instead went 'we'll do exactly what xilinx does but slightly cheaper , out of chinesium' ☟︎

asciilifeform: it's a 1st-class bitch to do this with 0 cooperation from the folx who make the chip, mainly cuz erry single revision has different intrinsic delays.

asciilifeform: the ice40 people , arguably 'solved half of the problem' -- they found a reasonably homogeneous chip so that they could describe the actual connections. but apparently were unable to map out the delays.

asciilifeform: but if you want deterministic paths, currently yer stuck using the vendor shitware. ( what's worse, even on ye olde xilinx apparently it is impossible to write e.g. a working 200MHz+ dram controller from 1st principles, yer forced to use the vendor's shitware that actually knows the gate delays, to equalize the paths )

asciilifeform: bvt: naturally synth tool cannot 'squeeze blood from a stone'

asciilifeform: this is why fpga design ~never runs at anywhere near the max switching rate specced by the device vendor. a good synth tool 1) tries to minimize the delays 2) gives you an accurate figure for max clock, and for propagations of individual paths ( if you have e.g. dram hanging off the thing, these are critical )

asciilifeform: bvt: re delays, it's a quite basic fact, if you have e.g. nand gate in 1 path, and straight wire in other, the signals will get to other side at different times

bvt: asciilifeform: isn't ice40 a done thing, i.e. is there anything else to add to it?

asciilifeform: evidently, the hero who knows how to turn work on sane kompyooting irons/softs into a self-sustaining economic item, is not yet born.

asciilifeform: unrelatedly : phf , iirc you signed a coupla ch of ffa prior to the keccak regrind. didja ever sign the reground chs ? ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 17:24 asciilifeform: ( i suspect mp_en_viaje knew this already, but even intel et al, 'cheat', when you buy a pentium-whatever with 'n cores', it really has 24 or whatnot, and only n working units , the others lasered out )

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-15#1908560 lulz : didjaknow, in e.g. <= 250nm process, concept of 'yield' is invariably in the direction of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907933 , rather than ye olde 'put the working units in crate A , the dead -- in the skip' ☝︎☝︎

phf: also re pizarro, i can, but it'll take me a bit of time, it doesn't have multi channel capability, but then i'm also not sure if i want to make it explicitly multi channel. i might just spin up a second instance instead

lobbesbot: phf: Sent 21 hours and 27 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> wouldja be willing to stand up a logger instance for #pizarro ? appears that ben_vulpes and his bot, may have been lost at sea or whoknows

trinque: at the very least, to come up with a model for wtf occurs.

trinque: much as I'd like to put all the blame on fleanode, I'd like it if the bot handled this stuck state a bit better. it's still on my todo list to address.

mod6: Did build keccak vtools on cuntoo, whole ffa tree verifies there. pressed just through chapter 1, did a gprbuild on that first chapter, no errors, works great.

mod6: I did a very shallow dive on what "bridging" is about, conceptually about a week ago. Since I'm way out of my depth on this one, I haven't reached out to anyone on Undernet yet, just because when I do, I would like to have some idea of what I'm talking about.

mod6: Read through and digested the first chapter of ffa, just need to add my seal to your blog when I have a spare few minutes. Regarding the irc stuffs, I've one time, stood up a ircd-hybrid and connected it to a friends of the same as a "peer".

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-16#1908650 << Hi there! A brief synopsis of what I've been working on with my limited time over the last couple of weeks here; Read-up about ave1's GNAT, built it, deployed to cuntoo successfully, a blog post is forthcoming as a bit of a summary of what I did there. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: I've never been asked for ID at a Cambio to change currency either direction

mp_en_viaje: people could give less of a shit about the retarded states of america and its pompous pretense, somehow, maybe. not sure how exactly.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: these iirc tend to be dug along side railroad right-of-way. in europistan, a++. in ameristan, on other hand..

mp_en_viaje: legend has it they're as thick as a subway tunnel

BingoBoingo: Well, don't think of it as any France you've read about. Think about it as a US college campus post 2015

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The old man clearly was predatory to the vulnerable young man... Femstate means if a young buck has any color on him his agency is female.

mp_en_viaje: wtf is a case of "presumed" rape.

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in France http://www.lefigaro.fr/culture/pierre-palmade-place-en-garde-a-vue-dans-une-affaire-de-viol-presume-20190411

BingoBoingo in a country where large forests are claimed to be a recent (late 80's) invention.

mp_en_viaje: b shouldn't even be a cup.

mp_en_viaje: what's the point of being a 5"9 female if you're gonna carry less ass than me ?!

mp_en_viaje: other than this, the chicks are often even tall, and commonly cute -- except if you beheaded a hundred or two alongside another hundred or two 13 yo boys and sewed the heads back on randomly you could scarcely tell the difference.

asciilifeform: a

mp_en_viaje: anyway, also had a palinkaoff, ima post pictures i think.

mp_en_viaje: as i write this, i'm seated in a non-square room.

mp_en_viaje: something like two dozen separate blarings, i mean gimme a fucking break, there can't be that many emergencies

mp_en_viaje: can't park, can't drive, can't fucking walk, all sorrts of common sense items ("no, do NOt drive right into a main lane from the side street to the point of near collision after which suddenly and unexpectedly back away at speed towards a crosswalk") do not come naturally to them.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not know hungarian, but was under impression that it was a full-featured lang with 20-sumthing cases etc

BingoBoingo: Few handicaps as bad a sadlang

mp_en_viaje: they are geometrically challenged in a manner quite reminiscent of their sad lang. i am starting to suspect the distance between euclidean geometry and what's going on in hungarian skull is commensurate with distance between human lang and their finougric atrocity.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 21:30 bvt: the only smaller item in my pipeline is unrolling comba for ch10 multiplication; and i'd like to give a shot a 'kill /dev/random and /dev/urandom' experiment, replacing them with buffers than can be directly fed from userspace, but this - even later.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf wouldja be willing to stand up a logger instance for #pizarro ? appears that ben_vulpes and his bot, may have been lost at sea or whoknows

BingoBoingo: A few other photos of this flavor

BingoBoingo: Well, the architecture. Even with the Caribean immigration Centro's population is quite a bit more pale.

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a photo from some (argentine?) church where there was specifically sign about 'cracked stones are being replaced with plastic'

bvt: yes, this is a point; i don't believe they'll even try to use oak - they have 'modern, improved' materials these days

BingoBoingo: Well, those were the Germans of the 1940s and 50s. These are the "French" nearly a hundred years later.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 19:55 mp_en_viaje: a well, i guess that's another "europe from the 90s" girls don't get to see.

bvt: the only smaller item in my pipeline is unrolling comba for ch10 multiplication; and i'd like to give a shot a 'kill /dev/random and /dev/urandom' experiment, replacing them with buffers than can be directly fed from userspace, but this - even later. ☟︎

bvt: hello. just to give you a bit of information: i am alive; i'm pretty short on work time this month; given that this did not cause any further discussion i will stall it for some time.

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/notre-dame-spire-collapses-latest-in-a-recent-string-of-french-church-fires/ << Qntra -- Notre Dame Spire Collapses, Latest In A Recent String Of French Church Fires

asciilifeform writes these by hand, so if anyone sees a broken htmlism plox to write in

mp_en_viaje: yeah, you got me there... pretty sure a few instances of blink on trilema.

asciilifeform supposes they'll build a mosque in the crater

mp_en_viaje: a well, i guess that's another "europe from the 90s" girls don't get to see. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, i'm having a ball.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 16:23 phf: i've switched to the new url rendering approach, it's a bit invasive, so if things seem broken when it comes to urls, please let me know

phf: ok, fixed. anyway, i'm not so much concerned about the renderer as i am about the bot falling out on some corner case trying to annotate. i should probably put a guard around annotation, since they do all kinds of stuff now.

phf: amusingly it doesn't do the right thing when the message is from a bot

phf: i've switched to the new url rendering approach, it's a bit invasive, so if things seem broken when it comes to urls, please let me know ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: a huh, gotta fix that link

a111: Logged on 2019-04-14 01:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908446 << i dun think i ever saw a crapple product which attempted

asciilifeform: presently , it aint even clear to asciilifeform that it is possible to produce a pc-iron lisp that isn't doomed to resemble that pile of shit, simply on acct of the hostility of the iron to any kind of sense

asciilifeform: then again when phf brought up 'hey didja look at the internals', and i did, barfed mightily; the notion of cleaning sbcl makes the gnat work look trivial in comparison, ~whole thing is a pile of gnarly x86 hackolade

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908448 << i distinctly recall a very similar pete_d thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( who eats maybe half of what i do , and buys ~nuffin, but at same time does 9000 chores + 100% of food-crafting + mp-style 'here's a type of cake we haven't had yet' etc )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908446 << i dun think i ever saw a crapple product which attempted ☝︎☟︎

mp_en_viaje: cuz of course such a grandiose and important and notable and whatnot moronactivist can make his own choices and dun have to do what mp says and etc.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 01:42 lobbes: i.e. from what I can tell, much like the republic makes a safe space in the -public- domain for humans to be human, a master makes a safe space in the -private- domain for girlz to be human

a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 00:13 BingoBoingo: Less about leverage and more... they were lucky enough to give you a contract in spite of HR. Is there actually someone making decisions or is this a Home Depot that figures they'll luck into another giveashiticus eventually.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 00:04 Mocky: They way they have folks scheduled to rotate off of my project, at the time my contract is up I'm going to the only developer who will have been on the project for more than a few weeks, I'll still be bringing the newbies up to speed. So I expect to have substantial leverage.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908420 << don't expect rational op. most of this "it" crap is entitrely anti-economic, just a cover-up for social security payments, there to keep up the pretense of a working economy as opposed to the bare reality of a purely loot-distributive system. because [they think] the chinese couldn't face said reality. ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: / sociopath" nature. they stem from his own fucktarded assumptions ; not sharing in those assumptions means not paying their (very burdensome) cost, means being able to engage in "magic" feats that are "impossible".

a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 22:06 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908415 << there's absolutely no magic involved. that is ~precisely~ the catch, every moron out there, from first to last, is wholly dependent on a large pile of "magic" being "accepted as part of everyday functioning of reality". orianj dood's problems with this world don't stem from my imaginarily "alien dragon of pure energy ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: but in any case the first's gonna be a lot closer to a partner than anything, so pick one with some business acumen and not so much goange-head.

mp_en_viaje: i suppose "videochat" is the lowest financuial capital investment (in the sense every poor schmuck can attempt it) / "spa" aka beauty salon is the lowest human capital investment (in the sense any tardashian can do it), which is why every two bit wanna-be mp is being a "businessman" while the gfs work these.

mp_en_viaje: is she any good at doing girly shit, can set her up with a beauty salon out of maybe 50k at most, does she like to drive, can get her a taxi license. is she the smoothest tongue you ever saw get her a real estate practice, she can work rents. solutions to specific problems have to be specific, yes ?

mp_en_viaje: but outside of that, what can she do, and what do you control ? is the dentist in whose practcie you're the silent partner looking for a hygienist ? is she all into yoga and ready to post butt tri-daily on her youtube channel ? were you employing a dumbass to do a dubious job of paralegal work tha tshe could be trained within two weeks to take over, thereby saving not merely the salary, but also the government burdens ? (if you cut a 20k a year em

a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:50 mircea_popescu: phf here's the problem : moder(field) consists of take field, redefine it in a practically useless but superficially persuasive way, then bad_words() to whoever dares ask if your "field" solves any important questions in the field. because of course it doesn't, MIT is the premier institution in science(*) and technology(*) in the werld.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 15:51 asciilifeform: to briefly revisit ~earthling~ gedanken-fpga tho : it is by no means obv. that the arity has to be 4. anyffin you can tile the 2d plane with, is a legit arity. ( and if you permit 2 or moar types of tile -- then even moar possible options. )

a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908318 << dun confuse the gedanken-fpga lut thrd with the 'ideal alu bus' one. i.e. a 64-bit bus is a set of 64 wires ; a 64-bit ~lut~ otoh is 2^64 sram cells , a planet-sized object , and with 1 lonely flipflop , lol, somewhere inside its molten core

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908321 << a yes, no, nothing like that. ☝︎

Mocky: also a great trilema banner today

lobbes: of course, while not a 'matrian dna', it is definitely a skill that not many have. e.g. for myself, I'm still learning to discern the essential and unimportant for just myself and my 1 gurl (and, of course, properly *communicate this*, which is a weakness of mine). So, in a sense I get the "watching a bird fly by flapping its wings not sufficient for flying". Learned skill like anything I suppose

lobbes: i.e. from what I can tell, much like the republic makes a safe space in the -public- domain for humans to be human, a master makes a safe space in the -private- domain for girlz to be human ☟︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908415 << canonical trilema (imho) on the subect of "what is role of a master" is here >> http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-141.0-145.485 ☝︎

Mocky: it's firmly in the bezel with a massive contingent of folks hired 1st year out of college without having had another job. Enuf 'diversity' in management to keep white men in check, yet somehow with enuf white men to still make sure technical work continues.

BingoBoingo: Well, it's a problem of whether the place is organized sanely or instead organized as a meat grider that eats bodies because they discount the possibility of sanity

Mocky: BingoBoingo: There are a couple smart someones making decisions but I don't know how much involvement they will have with the decision of what to do with me. otoh you don't need to be a someone to respond to leverage

a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.

BingoBoingo: Less about leverage and more... they were lucky enough to give you a contract in spite of HR. Is there actually someone making decisions or is this a Home Depot that figures they'll luck into another giveashiticus eventually. ☟︎

Mocky: They way they have folks scheduled to rotate off of my project, at the time my contract is up I'm going to the only developer who will have been on the project for more than a few weeks, I'll still be bringing the newbies up to speed. So I expect to have substantial leverage. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Mocky: Well, is there someone you can deal with when the contract comes to its end... who knows enough and has the power... to pay you for being a givashiticus?

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: Well, wouldn't be the first case someone returns to reaudition after a few months of reading if it wasn't long enough

asciilifeform: ooooor how about 1 that'll draw a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842#selection-716.0-718.2 , without also WHOLE DAY of hand-fiddle , and into a scalable-to-user's-terminal item, rather than bitmap garbage ?

a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 20:03 asciilifeform: somehow in 1985 someone somewhere had comp that's an actual fucking tool for thought, and where could go p=and(x,y) q=or(x,p) r=and(p,q) and get a set of gates arranged in neat rows and with minimal-length non-intersecting wires between'em . and today not.