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mircea_popescu: so basically you're a heinlein for your own needs.
asciilifeform: now i've never actually met a chess-boxer. but it would not astonish me if i learned that they keep the company of other boxers and regard actual Großmeisters, who devoted their lives to chess, as effete lusers.
thestringpuller: it sounds like you don't believe a polymath can truly exist
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: heinlein was... a story-teller.
asciilifeform: and one of the problems with 'free men' is that growing up as one tends to result in 'an aristotle' - aristocrat, who may be a very sharp fella but is not especially handy with 'slave crafts' and would normally not stoop to, e.g., programming a computer
thestringpuller: this reminds me of the heinlein quote: "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for i
asciilifeform: yes, there are folks who are serious chessboxers. but for some reason i've never heard of such a fella winning a world chess OR boxing title. ☟︎
thestringpuller: my job usually devolves into copy-pasting from one terminal to another for hours at a time.
mircea_popescu: the man who had a working plane and no boat made himself a leaky boat that couldn't fly. then the japanese bombed him.
thestringpuller: pheonix asciilifeform will be a very interesting person indeed
asciilifeform: well, we already have a mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: and also don't wait for me to write a fits-in-head and provably non-misbehaving btc client, even though i would much like to, know exactly how, and even have bits'n'pieces sitting around. because instead of this i'm stuck doing pointless crud in шарашка, so as to eat.
asciilifeform: yes, odin could re-arrange the atoms and form a fine dinner fit for mircea_popescu's table.
asciilifeform: because the notion of using this thing, or anything directly derived from it, as a long-term anything, is lunacy.
asciilifeform: i did say, in the very beginning, 'i want this in a book, as a reference' etc
asciilifeform: '...neither Unix nor Windows _actually_ support either C or C++, but they manage to make them work, with downright incredible effort. if you look inside the libraries and see how a system call actually works and how much it differs from the C calling convention and usage, you'd be a fool not to revise your opinion. and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what
asciilifeform: so folks init a var where result of system call is stored to the value of failure
asciilifeform: if trb is sleeping in a dumpster and picking old razors out of the rotting mcd 'meal' trays to eat, prb is drowning in a usg paper dump
asciilifeform: the current prb is a different kind of hell altogether
asciilifeform: and there is a variety of things you can coax a node into doing if you can corrupt the db; etc
mircea_popescu: just going from "could be a lot worse"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely not multithreaded. which, given the strength of everything else, is a very good thing.
mircea_popescu: omfg ok i need a break
mircea_popescu: incidentally, did we have a lxr up of the codebase or something ?
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 16:25:12; mircea_popescu: it's a by-word for capital-destroying "concerted efforts".
mircea_popescu: ie, "this cpu normally does 4ghz, i run it at 8. it's doing so much more for me than... oops, it popped. need a new cpu"
mircea_popescu: it's a by-word for capital-destroying "concerted efforts". ☟︎
mod6: it says that during this 'Stakhanovite movement' in the su, this guy Nikita Izotov mined 607 TONS of coal in a single shift. That's ~1M folks.
thestringpuller: nothing beats good training! (except maybe a good beating)
mod6: i am about to eat a decent breakfast in like 1.5 hours.
mod6: i'll see if i can get to it today, and give it a try myself.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 19:16:29; ascii_butugychag: i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ?
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:23:26; mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison)
mircea_popescu: actually the convention is you can take any male name add a and name a girl thus.
mircea_popescu: that's not a, that's a~
mircea_popescu: anyway, in ro names are sexed - mircea is the only male name that ends in a.
mircea_popescu: malbob and f-malice. this should be a fucking poem.
mircea_popescu: just like "AAA titles" and eulora have jack in common, but that's a side point.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the difference was ever stressed enough or for that matter all that well understood. what "big studios" do for software, ie, throwaway crap that's not expected to a) work for everyone or b) work for more than a few years is VERY STRICTLY opposite to what bitcoin does.
asciilifeform: it is sort of like concept that once came to me in a dream, about some alt-world where all names are sexed, and hence nobody is named 'alice', but 'fmalice', no 'bob', but 'malbob'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1379738 << that particular heathenry has a name, 'hungarian notation'. named after some chap at microshit who believed that it reduces bugs ☝︎
thestringpuller: Ah this takes the cake: "I had to reload Reddit like 4 times before it started working. If reddit wants me as a customer, they should increase their blocksize"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: what was this about 'snags' with the version patch ? << i'll dig it up, just a sec.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, i do think to some degree your patch should be restated, but not in the sense of replacing it altogether << yeah, ok. i'll do some work here today / tonight, do a re-test and the hopefully get it to the ML before the week is out.
mircea_popescu: i also don't fix any of the combustion engines that i own by myself - even if once i took apart and put back together a trabant.
mircea_popescu is loath to do too much of that sort, because as correctly pointed out, mircea_popescu is a noob in the low level technical sense. without an array of experts to advise and correct, i'll just fuck everything up.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item << ok good deal. was kinda wondering if the forthcoming release patch should bundle this one in or not.
mircea_popescu: a yeah.
mircea_popescu: a file can't mix unlike things.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother. << yeah, im not sure why the var name needs to delcare that it is a vector of chars.
mod6: i would agree there, but on the basis that the comments are accurate in a technical sense. nothing worse than misleading comments or documentation, as we've recently discussed.
mircea_popescu: not a great fan of vchSig and bs myself, eother.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) << I never thought of it this way.
thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don't forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn't the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is a splendid mechanism to provide true consensus.
mircea_popescu: specifically, imagine a future in which every line of code has 100 lines of commentary, much like the talmud (which is a VERY proper comparison) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is not to be taken lightly. it occurs to me, looking at all this, that it has a very fundamental function in maintaining codebases of the KIND that bitcoin is.
mircea_popescu: actually, forcing a point, commented out line tests is really the first step towards knuth literate coding.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else gives a good idea of what the author was thinking.
mod6: thanks for all of your comments this morning. I appreciate everyone taking a look at this one.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm misreading this, but atm if neither high nor low is picked the code does spit out a sig neh ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 this is a point, but really that heathen 10k declaration should go away.
mod6: also, about http://dpaste.com/26VKRQG : I left the original code in Sign(...) in the } else { case because i thought it be necessary to have a default. if we don't have one, it forces the user to pick -highs -lows every single time they execute.
mircea_popescu: but ... a specified, machine-verifiable, multi-signed split ? not acceptable ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 you didn't do it because it wasn't in your code, it only appeared once i snipped a bunch
mod6: Sorry about the spaces in there where I put in my changes, I can and will fix that for my changes. And yeah, I think post-release it may not be a bad idea to do a one-time-cleanup of all of that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heathen text seems a summary of the entire "scaling" bitcoin bs.
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mircea_popescu: !rate mod6 5 His curative TRB leadership is a shining beacon for the entire Republic.
assbot: You rated user mod6 on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: The cave, age, tace school of thought. Nice work with the Bitcoin Foundation..
mircea_popescu: that once the current version being worked upon is released, we all do a whole-source scouring of spaces, and sign the independently generated results, which will be an immediate, other patch. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: https://www.bikeji.com/t/3144 << anybody want to attempt a reliable translation from heathen tongue ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem - i should have the source.
mircea_popescu: it's bad enough in a project. in a same file it's insufferable. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: srsly, mixed tab/space indentation in a file is worse than either.
asciilifeform: the spaces thing is just one in 10,001 sad things in a jupiter-sized ball of sad that is trb.
mircea_popescu: but spaces for tabs is a fucking disability.
mircea_popescu: well, honestly, this wasn't intended as a release candidate, more like a commentary item
mircea_popescu: fuck that, im making a proper file. the diff looks like the end of the fucking world, but hey.
asciilifeform: forgives, and forgives, until we have a bitcoind that wants a GB/week of ram
asciilifeform: a garage big enough for a boeing, so as to not hit the walls ?
asciilifeform: i worked with a fella like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this kind of thing is pestilentially common in 1) microshit 2) folks who grew up on it. 'i'll leave a massive space on the stack so not to overflow because i can't count and also can't trust myself to put it in heap and remember to free()'
copypaste: perhaps it's some intermediary for a signature, and the final return will be chopped to say something sane like 64, 128
copypaste: i'll take a guess, seems like it's a signature, and 10k bytes is the expected length
mircea_popescu: what init.cpp are you working on as an a mod6 ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 why take out - vchSig.clear(); if you re-introduce it later in both branches ? ends up adding a line.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 18:31:11; ascii_butugychag: but if you have a unique itch somewhere deep in a body cavity, and wait for somebody to come and scratch it ~for you~ - you may wait for a while.
mircea_popescu: dude has no fucking idea a) what likely means ; b) what a gentleman's duty is, the next day after emitting in the forum an enormity like that.
assbot: You rated user psztorc on 23-Sep-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Has no idea what post-structuralism is. Just like everyone else..
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 16:57:11; psztorc: So, "bitcoin classic", with a 2 MB blocksize limit, is likely to have >60% hashrate at this time tomorrow.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 02:49:55; BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, bitcoin classic has even fewer nodes than bitcoin xt. who was that guy that was the me of something else again ? << They haven't even released a client publically yet
BingoBoingo: A person who lacks the self preservation drive to eat themselves to the mass of two NFL linebackers should have to risk blowing out their knee traversing the walmart.
BingoBoingo: There really ought to be a moral test to get a scooty puff.
BingoBoingo: It's one thing to have a condition. It's another thing to have condishuns.
BingoBoingo: You're skeleton's state if it wasn't a fragile mess is a mystery.
copypaste: i have a high BMI, but only because my spine collapsed due to my condition which takes many inches off my height. but even then BMI is only 31. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Solidly past the point of rag on a stick
BingoBoingo: Google images suggests a BMI between 55 and 75