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mod6: oh,
thanks, didn't even know. good work lobbes.
lobbes: !Qlater
tell jurov plox
to ping mod6 once ya get
the chance
mod6: !~ later
tell jurov Please
to ping me as soon as you get a chance.
mod6: !~later
tell jurov Please
to ping me as soon as you get a chance.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:41 mod6: i use a few for various
things.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I am baking blog post summarizing where
this
thing is.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Are you
there?
mod6: yeah,
this seems
to make sense
to me.
diana_coman: yes, how big is not a head count strictly of course; put it as how powerful if
that is clearer
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform,
the point is
to sell more not pricier, neh? so: depending on how much people are willing
to USE
the isp
ben_vulpes: aaand
that assumes
that
the 5 slots mircea_popescu wants don't overlap with s.nsa
diana_coman: in other words
this can be put as:
tmsr's l1 atm is not big enough yet
to support an isp of its own
☟︎ ben_vulpes: diana_coman: i've only
tallied up ~1.7k/mo in l1 space rental
diana_coman: I
think it can sell enough
to l1(+l2 perhaps) but I haven't run
the numbers etc (because I'm already juggling lots as it is)
diana_coman: but I suppose asciilifeform's obv is correct in
that a.2 is missing still
diana_coman: fwiw I am certainly interested in being a customer of
TMSR ISP but I've been waiting and waiting
to see concrete offers; being a bit on
the other side of
the world doesn't help much re moving iron
there either but presumably at some point I can even get
that sorted in some way; if
there is some ISP
to get sorted
to, of course
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so maybe make
the plan + offer and see what feedback you get on it?
diana_coman: iirc
there were some vps ran by l1, what; as sandboxes if nothing else
mod6: i use a few for various
things.
☟︎ diana_coman: out of curiosity why marketed
to heathens?
diana_coman: so a.1 is
technical capable person a.2 business capable person
diana_coman: asciilifeform, so ask BingoBoingo exactly for what is needed
to un-fuzz;
that's what all
the detailed instructions is all about
diana_coman: phf I
think what is actually shutting down
the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing
to
take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions
to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as
to what operation
there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at
the location
phf: i missed
the "estimated from l1/2" bit
phf: ben_vulpes: didn't you lose a $1000
then, it works out
to 2741/mo
ben_vulpes: phf: yeah i rolled IVA into
that number, is
that wrong for some reason?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: neglecting shared hosting, and again waving hands at a sales rate on vps slicen of 10/mo and zero churn etc,
thing could hit breakeven on
the rack alone sometime in august
BingoBoingo: ave1: At
this point
the journey
to here is documented in existing blog posts,
there is no harm in collecting
that data into a single larger post for
the convenience not only of people who might be considering
taking on
this particular effort, but for
those who may want
to undertake
their own as well.
ave1: BingoBoingo: read carefully
these are not requests but suggestions, I even left some out. Also, at
this point you still have a partner and I do not know your arrangements, so check before publishing what might be important / secret business operational data.
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing
the initial subscription of just rack space comes
to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us
to breakeven" deal slicing up one of
the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in
the grand scheme of
things, but
the
tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against
this)
phf: TomServo: it's critical only in a sense
that
the immediate opportunity was squandered, but right now most important is
to provide bb with enough fiat
to stay afloat, next requirement is
to provide bb with enough fiat
to pay dc fees, because
those
two are
the ones
that are going
to shut down
the operation
mod6: (trying
to establish how much VPS needs
to be sold
to make up
the difference just
to break even on bills)
shinohai: If
there are currently no vps boxxen
to sell, cannot exactly sell anything besides promisetronic
mod6: BingoBoingo: how much revenue was going
to be pulled down by non-vps customers per month?
The foundation had said "we want 2U", so
that accounts for us.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 07:56 diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what
the sticking point is
there in asciilifeform's calculations:
the potential
tax on shipped equipment?
the cost of BingoBoingo ?
the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how
the fuck)? what?
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 <<
this is not
that clear
to me. what i've penciled out is
that
there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was
to build and rent vpsen
to get
to breakeven, which still needs someone in
teh forums hawking vps
☝︎ lobbes: But for now I'll shut up and leave room for my betters
to work out
that question. Back
to saeculum mines, and
then archive-o-tronics
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 23:20 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782932 <<
the only point
to my eyes is
that someone fucked in
the head enough
to run something
they call "datacenter" without one
ton of spare racks laying about is not distinguishable from
three
twelve year old white boys in a "tree fort" running a "porn business"
through
taking complicatedly filtered ipad shots of
their own palms.
lobbes: <<
this is
the key question needing resolving, imo. "Is it worth it
to continue
throwing good money into orc-hole?". After BB's deep descent into
the cargo cult looking for chassis n' such, it is certainly suggestive of more "tree-forts everywhere" ala
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782956 ☝︎ TomServo: Sucks, I
think getting
that gear
there was a critical piece.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 14:37
TomServo: For clarification, is
the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on
the
table?
mod6: I'm gonna look at some
things, will report back later.
mod6: If part of
the plan was
to build machines on demand for customers, it sounds like we're in
the wrong locale for
that.
mod6: So, indeed, I
think we all want
to see
the ISP idea work. But after
this entire snafu, I'm still confused as
to what went wrong here.
The foundation's plan here was in motion
to bring machines
there directly. Because of
the ugly possible VAT or dissappearing of boxes
themselves.
mod6: I don't want
to
through good money after bad here.
BingoBoingo to shut up for a bit and compile as much of
the ave1 requested material
together into a blog and explore
the possibility of making arrangements for a Dentist
to follow
the BingoBoingo camp
to old country.
shinohai: Aside from Qntra I have no reliable income, so
that brings all
to screeching halt here.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so,
to repeat it :
there is no future for
the republic without an isp.
BingoBoingo: That being said for my health I would like a proposal
that includes
the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is
that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable
to what empire pays
to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload).
the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay
they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in
the field does not now mean
the baseline of
BingoBoingo: lobbes: If necessary BingoBoingo can do some ugly
things
to keep fed.
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783247 Follows from BingoBoingo being a sort of religious fanatic ideologically aligned with
the Republic, even if my inexperience and inability
to effectively self direct are an impediment lords
taking over
this venture would need
to compensate for.
☝︎ TomServo: For clarification, is
the S.NSA gear verboten? Are phf's flight/courier arrangements still on
the
table?
☟︎ lobbes: I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo
that is standing in
the way in alf's calcs? If
that's what it
takes I can
throw a months worth of food in btc
to bb as a one-time gift. (Though I
think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor)
BingoBoingo: TomServo: At
this point
the discussion looks like it would be a way
to get into L1
TomServo: I'd very much like
to see
this endeavor succeed and would gladly offer assistance. I don't want
to get out line if
this discussion is for L1.
☟︎ diana_coman: quite some very good points
there in my opinion ave1
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> and i'd
think salvaging bb's mission closer
to
the goal --any point closer
than zero--, would be just about
top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around. << I can only hope other people are doing math and weighting costs versus warming up
their other ISP plans
they may have put on hold.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your
ticket wednesday or what was it ? << I was planning on picking it up
Thursday if
there has been no interest
through Wednesday in channel on a
takeover mission for
this venture. I can extend
the
timeline a bit, if it is prudent
to do so.
shinohai: Gah,
the logs I wake
to of late.
diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what
the sticking point is
there in asciilifeform's calculations:
the potential
tax on shipped equipment?
the cost of BingoBoingo ?
the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how
the fuck)? what?
☟︎ hanbot: and i'd
think salvaging bb's mission closer
to
the goal --any point closer
than zero--, would be just about
top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around.
hanbot: i suppose
the amount of
time it's
taken
to get
to
this point while
the same death knell was present makes it easy
to imagine
things could just continue as
they are, but i
tell you
that seems pretty dangerous.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 14:58 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, reality can only be elided at significant personal sacrifice and over short intervals. so,
to repeat it :
there is no future for
the republic without an isp.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your
ticket wednesday or what was it ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:43 asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness
the cost-competitive alternative
to vps :
the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but
this involves manual shuffling on
the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 16:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay
the rack vendor already.
the issue is your own food.
ben_vulpes: girl just pointed out
to me
that
the illustrator of curious george and
the bunny didn't let slip a single opportunity
to draw a pink little bunny butthole
a111: Logged on 2016-01-14 01:40 mircea_popescu: funny how nobody in france and generally in
the "nordic model"
train of euro-socialistoid
train wants
to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of
the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what
today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle,
the exact equivalent of say arafat, got
to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin
mircea_popescu: did we already do
the "la resistance"
thing or notyet ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 19:36 mircea_popescu: in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all
the
time in
the world!
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 <<
this
thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down
to "well, if
there's failure
that just means we haven't
tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in
their eyes,
that is)
☝︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: log lag, such hysteresis. next up: "gps no longer a
thing anywhere usg assets are walking around outside of
their bunkers"