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a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going
to go on
tilt?
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784373 >> part and parcel of
the problem of people on
tilt is
that
they are quite convinced
they're not. asciilifeform : you are digging yourself ever-deeper into a hole for
the sake of your having missed your own deadline. you're of course welcome
to ignore me and everyone else --trying
to help you out-- (esp.
trinque's imo excellent "assessment"
this morning),
thereby joining
the ranks of
those who wouldn't li
☝︎ BingoBoingo: diana_coman:
The new management is working out
the details for
their clean
takeover of
the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer
the revelation of details
to management.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens
that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition:
that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver
there.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 03:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "took me
twice as long" ?
trinque: men gotta be compelled by
the
truth, and men holding same are wasting
their life if
they don't use
truth
to compel
trinque ftr likes asciilifeform very much, but
that's his assessment of
the sticky
thing
trinque: and if
this is resisted for what appear
to be psychological reasons,
the fury is well spent.
trinque: otherwise I'd say
the guy who spent
the most
time writing an OS is probably
the guy
to assess hardware.
trinque: if you
thought it was unneeded or harmful
to compile a list of hardware (not just
that you have, but
that could be desirable) for bisp,
that'd be one
thing, and
the proper move is
to respond with
that
trinque: oughta always go along with
the guy who is right, and not
the man who's named X.
trinque: as for submission, in my house
truth is
the
thing submitted
to, and it so happens
that most of
the
time I hold it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:57 asciilifeform: also goddammit why so slow, mircea_popescu , i'm waiting for
the 'de-lording' bullet, staying up past bedtime
shinohai: Aqui
todo bien,
tomando un cafecito y revisando los logs.
shinohai: Also, buenas dias BingoBoingo ... como
te vas?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:03
trinque: I
think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so BingoBoingo finally got his bank acct huh ! <<
The speed here...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect. <<
Thank you, fixed
mircea_popescu: this in general, leaving aside
the apparent situation whereby in my particular case your bonds are actually ~worthless, so it's not even clear how it'd solute your risk at all.
mircea_popescu: because it's somewhat common. your potential customer is necessarily underwriting your counterparty risk. you have unclear capital structure and unpublished "commitments
to each other" ; neither of
these is of
the nature of reducing
the cost of
that counterparty risk.
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, but it'd be a foolhardy operator indeed who expected customers
to underwrite bonds
mircea_popescu: does it matter
to you how well capitalised
the parker-storager is ?
mircea_popescu: ok. suppose you wish
to
travel for
two weeks, and leave it in parking-storage.
ben_vulpes astonished mircea_popescu remembered
the brand
this
time
ben_vulpes: or somehow if
the bonds are not from mircea_popescu
they are not wanted
ben_vulpes: this is
the "potential customer" underwriting bonds?
mircea_popescu: aaanyway.
this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite a credit crunch for
the item. because "well, let's send bbisp a box" "what if
they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but
they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going
to go on
tilt?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lobbes i dunno
that submission has anything
to do with anything,
tbh.
the principal issue is
that he fucked up, again, in
the same way, and is sticking
to
this nopenopenopenope line.
lobbes: listen,
titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability
to be a
true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined
to maliciously run s.nsa into
the ground, and pin
the corpse on asciilifeform .
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 you are
talking
to a man who spent his
time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded.
lobbes: Normally I wouldn't say anything (not really my bznz) but I have a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn a lot from
the guy and he has done important work, what)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens
that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition:
that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver
there.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long
time ago
that mircea_popescu just wanted you
to submit. You can't block
the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: well, in all honesty after
the bizarro revelations i'm mostly waiting for said discussion, of what you intend
to do etc.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you plan
to rent boxes when we get
them racked, or possibly colocate?
mircea_popescu: well anyway. i'm guessing ima read it in
the monthlies or w/e.
mircea_popescu: anyway. as he points out, not really much skin off my back either way. but consider
that on one hand you're not exactly private investors
there, seeing how fwiu you've involved
the foundation's capital actually ? so you're stuck
to some measure of public dealing an'
tranparency as'd befit such a lofty entity in its first actual commitment ? and on
the other hand, bbisp kinda depends on good public perception.
ben_vulpes: we've made commitments
to each other; if
those are reneged upon
the whole world goes up in a bonfire of negrating.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens
that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition:
that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver
there.
mircea_popescu: but getting back
to
the previous lulz,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 is remarkably nutty. so you liquidate my bonds at an (avoidable) cost of .8, in exchange for a 50% equity position and... what commitment exactly ? if for instance you need money next month, what do you do ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: in
the vein computers attempted
to "ibm compat", except chosen by us not by ibm.
mircea_popescu: be it os, kernel, gcc, whatever. so ideally
there'd be a "this is
the correct processor/ram/disk/motherboard" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the idea here is
that it'd be ~nice~ if we had a complete list of
these responses. "my x dun werk" "use y".
trinque: I
think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently
☟︎ trinque: pretty fucking annoying,
that, actually.
trinque doesn't recall
that anybody but danielpbarron used his standard musl gentoo.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes setting a standard doesn't mean anyone's ~forced~
to follow it.
mircea_popescu: "my computer dun werk" should have a "use
this config" ready response.
ben_vulpes: if i say "all boxes getting racked will have 32 cores"
that's a huge minimum buy
that i don't know
that l2 can really eat many of.
mircea_popescu: well... you know how we've been
trying
to go "here, use
THIS gentoo" for a while (to maybe some results so far) ? \
ben_vulpes: standardize on number of cores or processor
type?
mircea_popescu: so basically is
the idea
that you'll just do whatever and we're missing
this opportunity
to attempt an' standardize iron ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i want
the next run
to have one box with lots of ram and cpu
to start selling vps and shared hosting in earnest, and another 2 of smaller boxes
that can be rented out entire in
the $3-400/mo range.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, but which are you buying ? or what's
teh strategy exactly ?
ben_vulpes: will be renting boxes out,
this first courier run is filling up with space-rental.
mircea_popescu: well,
that was pretty dumb on
their part, i guess, but whatever, experience is apparently difficult
to process.
mod6: mircea_popescu:
that is being discussed, yes.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, dja have some sort of decision yet ben_vulpes / mod6 ? are you goint
to offer box rentals ? what kind ?
mircea_popescu: i guess, perhaps,
the standard for
time frittering. but
that's well set already, so.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't
trust asciilifeform
to write it now, in any case.
mircea_popescu: we still don't have a proper item on which
to base hardware strategy.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi. could
take
too much power, could whatever
the fuck.
mircea_popescu: so for now, waiting
to see what bbisp decides
to do re hardware, and vageuly considering getting out-of-house expertise.
mircea_popescu: and seeing how you're
the fellow who asks me how many items do i want
to fit in ben_vulpes 's one item slot, i have serious doubts about your cogency anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway.
the situation is
that s.nsa naively bought some iron at your recommendation at some prior point. meanwhile you refused
to deliver
the "here's
the mega-article comparing all hardware, which will guide future republican hardware building.