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mircea_popescu: so in no case what he needs is middle management ; moreover i expect half his problems come from inept fiatworld having its usual "one solution
to end all problems".
mircea_popescu: so nsa doesn't in
this sense have
the same sort of problem. it's a crisis of faith not of management.
mircea_popescu: there's a fundamental difference
there bb, in
that isp is a
thing whereas most of what we're making is noit a
thing. making a
thing requires following
the recipe, whereas making not-yet-a-thing is basically figuring out a recipe.
BingoBoingo: temperment problem in asciilifeform resisting direction or a middle manager's eyes glossing over and slacking
the discipline after glimpses of
tech
that isn't shit.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 14:06 mircea_popescu:
the slowest release schedule in
the world and all
the rest of
the stuff people don't say because
they're affraid i might crack
them one if
they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner
Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in
there in
the inside of
the
top of
the box!
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:05 mircea_popescu:
the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy,
to check whether you packed your lunch and
to ask if you need
to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly
thrive, but you've not found her in me is all.
mircea_popescu: that aside : danielpbarron phf what ever became of
those fgs ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: otherwise, i
think it's sufficiently self-obvious
that nobody wants more crappy items. we've enough of
those around
to last a century. but i also won't sit still while being railroaded into a false choice between crappy items and never items ; if for no other reason
then because
too many people depend on me being at least slightly smarter
than
that.
mircea_popescu: what fucking short order,
the end of a five year plan is nigh on in sight! by a cool account he's not gotten better at it, arguably he's even gotten worse at it, wut
the everloving fuck do ?!
tell me, and make sense while doing
the
telling!
mircea_popescu: originally i was going
to just call it off, have it liquidated and so on. because yes eventually it has
to come
to
this, nsa was started on
the premise
that "here is a
talented engineer who evidently has little ability
to
take direction or manage himself, but which we're construing as due
to poor prior context and expect will remedy itself, by itself, in short order".
mircea_popescu: so no, how about we don't discuss
the random nonsense some 9yo captive inside stan would in his panicked despair have us rather occupy ourselves with. instead, exactly in
trinque's practical
terms : what
the fuck am i going
to do with a s.nsa resting on
the clavicle of a grown man with 9yo shoulders!
mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in
the world and all
the rest of
the stuff people don't say because
they're affraid i might crack
them one if
they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner
Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in
there in
the inside of
the
top of
the box!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: suffice
to point out
that evidently enough
the whole binome as described is adaptive rather
than designed. and it MUST be examined, and it must be repaired, rather
than indulging in just as childish deflection. o noes, ~i~ of all people want
to drive s.nsa into a wall, fancy
that wonder!
mircea_popescu: i don't, for
the record,
think
there's anything even vaguely like malice involved. i
think it's simply ambered childishness, which he has managed
to preserve unexamined so long into his adult life because he's never before found himself among people intelligent enough
to force him
to examine it.
the signs of
this are ubiquitous and i won't belabour,
mircea_popescu: the other issue is
that
the exacting standards part of
the binome aren't exacting
to a ~rational~ standard,
they're exacting
to a psychogenic standard. he's perfectly willing
to
take steps
to alienproof his sub because he's seen alien pirates board a sub in a B movie once,
that's
the standard, what he can ~imagine~ occuring, not so much what he has good reason
to believe may occur.
mircea_popescu: to him, it's not worth
to
take
three seconds of his own
time
to
think $random item
through ; but
to him it is also worth
taking
three days of another man's
time (and often enough,
the misfortunate other man is he himself!)
to do nothing in particular with
them.
mircea_popescu: think of it,
the ~same guy~ who's saying ridiculous, and ridiculously unexamined
things about boats,
the
http protocol and so on is also
the same man willing
to have mod6 do days' worth of
testing with items swapped around
to establish nothing in particular.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:39
trinque: can say "time manage" and etc but
the philosophical structure in his head will not permit works with ideological inconsistency
to ship
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784630 << i
think
this isn't a satisfactory description of
the issue for
two reasons. one is
that
the man doesn't have merely very exacting standards, but a binome of which half is exacting standards and
the other half is looser
than a crack whore's butthole.
☝︎ mod6: However, each man gets
to decide if he wants
to partake in
the Republic. Mr. Popescu always said he would eventually leave. And I respect
that. Just wish it wasn't in anger.
hanbot: trinque
true. i suppose some
things can't be learned without an actual beating, delivered by an actual expert whisk. i don't really know
to jam it into
the sick skull, i guess. and no harm done, i've always appreciated your directness.
mod6: That we did. And I for one, would love
to see Mr. Popescu
to come back and be
the father
to
the republic.
trinque: probably plenty of ways
to improve
their process from here, yet
the
thing was dead in
the water, republic declared dead without hosting, and some folks came
together against
that.
☟︎ trinque: if someone wants asciilifeform's shares
they are apparently for sale;
they were offered
to me
trinque: hanbot: I apologize for snapping at you. I
think ben_vulpes and mod6 are doing a great
thing coming in
to
try and save
the project.
hanbot: mod6 at some point many years ago i had a
tracker
to keep
track of my
trackers. hang in
there.
mod6: Alright
then. It'll be really helpful I
think for all of us. I, for one, literally have like 69000
things
to keep up with
these days.
trinque: autodidacticism has been
thoroughly
trashed in
the logs
☟︎ hanbot: trinque not only is it a problem of how
to jam it in, but who's job is it?
hanbot: mod6 i
think
that's a great idea. i dunno about comfort (and i'm not asking for it, nor is it anyone else's
to give me), but it'd certainly add some clarity, and keep
things accountable.
mod6: Do you believe
that would add some comfort?
mod6: hanbot: I can't speak for asciilifeform and make him state
things. But, perhaps if we kept a public calendar of what is happening when, might give
the public some comfort
that
tasks are getting completed on
time.
trinque: hanbot: problem of
the practitioner is still how
to jam
that into
the sick skull.
hanbot: naturally, eh. me
too.
mod6: I would like
to see asciilifeform and mircea_popescu somehow come back
to
the
table and continue
their very important work
together.
hanbot: trinque : as in alcoholism, person wanting
to quit has
to --want
to quit--.
that's what i'm not seeing.
mod6: Furthermore, I may be
the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like
to see it continue.
☟︎ mod6: hanbot: i don't expect anyones "blind spots" or "deficiantcies"
to go away over night. we'll work with him
to make sure
things happen
they way
they need
to do so, when
they need
to do so.
trinque: can say "time manage" and etc but
the philosophical structure in his head will not permit works with ideological inconsistency
to ship
☟︎ mod6: <+trinque> gotta also admit
that
the enemy will not wait for you
to be done with your superweapon. << also
totally
true.
trinque: because he's
the
type
that apparently cannot dishonor himself by e.g. shipping a less-than-alf fuckgoats
trinque: hanbot: how do you resolve
the man's issue
then.
hanbot: mod6 i know
the strife is unpleasant, and i admire your drive
to right
things. but
there's an actual extant problem here, which, if merely forgiven, lends nothing
to
the notion
the problem will cease.
mod6: But I gave him
the benefit of
the doubt.
mod6: After
the first "Hey, we're getting FGs for xmas!" And
then it didn't come, for like 2 more xmas's... i could have simply negrated him.
trinque: gotta also admit
that
the enemy will not wait for you
to be done with your superweapon.
mod6: I mean look, here's an example: I waited like nearly 4 years for an FG. But he delivered, and it works. It's a marvel,
this FG. I
think
the fact
that we have it, and it works, is more important
than how long it
took
to realize.
mod6: I have
too, and I recently read
the entire
thread on diana_coman's blog
too.
The whole
thing. I know shortcomings have impacted lots of
things. He's not
the only one guitly of
that. And even
though I don't excuse anyones failures, I'm going
to forgive. We've gained more
than we've lost. In my estimation.
trinque: he skitters sideways when certain
triggers are hit and changes
the subject
trinque: neh
this much is
true. I
tried
to pin alf earlier. he oughta reread
that conversation.
hanbot: yes, but see, you own up
to it.
mod6: Because he said he would. And asciilifeform has done a lot for us over
the years. Invaluable
things. Dispite, failures. I've failed
too, hopefully I'm getting better also.
hanbot: sure, but given recent refusal
to meet deadlines, why would a given customer expect
to receive reliable service?
mod6: Weather men admit wrongdoing or not, my hope is
that men learn from
the previous mistakes.
mod6: I don't
think so at all. His role is outlined in
the drafted document we posted above.
hanbot: is
the matter of what's going
to be done re asciilifeform's current...stance also private?
mod6: I guess I'll also add
this: I agree
that logging is very important. But lately, in here, emotions have been running high. And while
trying
to figure out
the details, I need
to focus and not read
through hundreds of lines of cross
talk and bickering.
hanbot: aha. bills & addys and similar stuff being private makes sense; why's who would do what private,
though? ah,
that kind of "space". yes, it satisfies my curiosity,
thank you for clarifying. fwiw i'm not sure what can be gained from "space" as such - often what's most uncomfortable is what best leads
to recovery and growth. but obviously your choice(s).
mod6: Does
that satisfy your curiosity?
mod6: There isn't anything
to hide. We've been forthcoming about
the entire venture.
mod6: Quite frankly, and I hope BB doesn't mind me saying so, we kinda needed
to even
talk him into it. I
think he was in quite a state of dismay at
the whole
thing. And I find it appropriate
that we did
that.
mod6: Things like, what
the bills were, where
they need
to be sent, who would do what.
This kind of
thing.
☟︎ mod6: I wanted
to give us some space
to find out
the details,
to discuss everything involved. I for one, even having been in #trilema
the entire
time, and even having read BB's blog posts about BBISP, I still wanted
to give BB
the space
to discuss with us all
the details.
hanbot: trinque i'm not asking
to be
told anything. i'm asking why
there were "discussions" over
the course of several days
that haven't been made public.
this isn't
to gripe at anyone,
this is an attempt
to preserve what's possibly
the most useful
tool of
the republic, i.e. logging.
trinque: earlier diana_coman's bitching
they didn't define
the day-old business venture. now you're bitching
they didn't
tell you why
they chose
that definition, a few hours later.
hanbot: not at all (where's
that?).
the question is where's
the discussion
that brought
them
to
the document published
today, and if
that discussion's private, why?
trinque: so leaving alf aside, when
two folks dive on
this boondoggle of a business venture
to right it, we're going
to suspect
their methods and forget
their long reputations?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 20:34 mod6: jurov: We're working out
the details on
that. Good question
though.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 15:22 BingoBoingo: diana_coman:
The new management is working out
the details for
their clean
takeover of
the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer
the revelation of details
to management.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:20 mod6: Our plan is
to publish what are plan is, we're working on
that literally, right now.
trinque: when
the fuck did you want
them
to start, exactly?
hanbot: sure, fine logs starting
today. what were
the "discussions" variously mentioned,
that led
to
this point? what, if anything, has been
the resolution of
the problem in which 50% of
the ownership refuses
to meet own deadlines?
trinque: I'd say any judgment of how
they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 04:41 hanbot: n stands: why are
they not logged?
trinque: appears
to me
the gents are getting
things
together for a clear, coherent offering.
☟︎ hanbot: n stands: why are
they not logged?
☟︎ hanbot: uld've extended
to asciilifeform as well, but after a week + of stubborn refusal
to admit wrongdoing or show any signs of work
towards avoiding said wrongdoing in
the future, i'd be acting ---very irresponsibly--- if i let my admiration of
the man and his past work (or my dislike of
the discord lately) obfuscate a serious, present, problem. anyway, looking forward
to reading
the communications, assuming
those are still coming. if not,
the questio
hanbot: <ben_vulpes> attn all, here's a draft of
the new articles of organization for what was BISP:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away << cool,
thanks for posting. so: i would very much like
to support bbisp/Pizarro, and I
think it's great
the foundation picked
this up. while i
think
the particulars will likely prove challenging, i would have no problem putting faith,
time, etc behind mod6 and ben_vulpes. a few weeks ago,
that wo
mod6: Sure, feel free
to stop into #pizarro or follow along in
the logs!
TomServo: Wish I could help with any current woes, if
that's possible lemme know.
☟︎ mod6: Ugh, sorry
to hear
that.
BingoBoingo: From
the story it sounded worse
than
the picture I sent her looked. I will see if I can get pictures. of
the repair. Damned ice cream cones full of dulche de leche with a hard chocolate shell.
mod6: Everyone is invited, no need
to be shy.
mod6: Ah. Yea maybe
they can fix.
BingoBoingo: Well it appears
to be a rebreak of an area
that broke when I was younger. Had some bonded ceramic patch and a chunk of
that still seems attached.
BingoBoingo: So I broke a
tooth
today. Will get
to see how good a dentist la Venezolana is Monday.
mod6: Pizarro,
The Republican ISP's offical channel is now: #pizarro
ben_vulpes to waltz around in
the sun for a few minutes, will digest comments async
ben_vulpes: i would also like
to deposit
these funds with a non-involved individual
to seal in blood
the capitalization of
this entity
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Pretty girls and women change in
the multi bed mixed gender rooms. Boys and fat chicks change in
the bathrooms.