asciilifeform: because i noticed interesting thing, supposedly 'simple' things will have a border beyond which the complexity explodes for 'no reason' , as per the 'cat' thread from 2 yrs ago
asciilifeform: phf: do you happen to know off the top of your head , what is the mass of bpf ?
asciilifeform: d00d suffers from the traditional disease of the 19yo 'night h4ck3r' , crippling tunnel vision☟︎
asciilifeform: and fight with other bums over bag of pennies
asciilifeform: i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around.☟︎
asciilifeform: ( ever use a fortran to c converter ?? )
asciilifeform: because abstractions are not portable.
asciilifeform: in practice automassaged code is junk.
asciilifeform: re elisp, imho the 'apocalyptic' scale of the problem is overblown, if every d00d were to rewrite the few 100 of elisp that he actually ~uses~, in climacs, or whereever, job would be done in a week.☟︎
asciilifeform: but men expect pedals. and so there they are.
asciilifeform: and in a machine with such linkage, corkscrew is almost impossible.
asciilifeform: ( rudder can and many times has been mechanically-linked to ailerons )
asciilifeform: i have here a b00k on piloting circa 1940, and already then author insists that rudder pedals are obsolete and have killed a thousand men☟︎
asciilifeform: it is (and mthread / davout are invited to correct me , i am an armchair admiral ) as i understand, the reason why airplane today still has rudder pedals.
asciilifeform: because at the end of the day, when choosing between '30 yrs of muscle memory' and 'MAYBE new emacs 30 yrs from now' everyone picked the former.
asciilifeform: it is, laugh or cry, an actual problem, and imho the reason climacs was stillborn☟︎
asciilifeform: which rely on bug-for-bug compatibility with the morass.
asciilifeform: which in fact is the reason anyone even uses it: 30 years of elisp extensions.
asciilifeform: but there is also a 3rd piece in emacs
asciilifeform: the latter is a native binary for whatever box the thing is running on.
asciilifeform: emacs, in case anyone forgot, is made of 2 pieces - a megatonne bucked of crud written in 1970-era shitlisp, and an interpreter (yes) thereof
asciilifeform: instead of 'find the poetterings and impale'
asciilifeform: linked piece is lulzy on account of the idiot 'solution' picked on the victim end, 'That solution comes in the form of the "portable dumper" patch from Daniel Colascione. This patch is not small; it adds over 4,500 lines of code to Emacs and it is not yet complete...'
asciilifeform: this is really in re the old 'bitcoin at the nsa' thread but i've misplaced the date.
asciilifeform: ( 'stalin's' algorithm of guarding gold, i.e. 'if it is lost, shoot everyone who might have sold the coordinates of the convoy' doesn't necessarily work either, because somewhere high enough in the chain there is usually someone who is 1) unshootable + 2) knows the coords )
asciilifeform: ( tastes great with the old 'costs of guarding gold' and 'misalignment of incentives of guard and master' threads )
asciilifeform: 'Watch Man Effortlessly Grab Bucket of Gold Worth $1.6M From Open Truck'
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put it past the imbeciles to try to split the net via node diddling alone.
asciilifeform: jurov: i must admit that it has been eons since i set up a prb, and the last one i tested was iirc 0.8.something (which worked with trb)
asciilifeform: please consider reading the chan logs, yalehasaquestion .
asciilifeform: tobacco, like 'generic pharma', is 'unamerican', can't sell generic leaf that grows on half planet, must sell INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!11111
asciilifeform also not an expert, but used to work with a d00d who was a serious aficionado
