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mircea_popescu: did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up).
mircea_popescu: basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem. ☟︎
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language
asciilifeform: phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon.
jurov: not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise)
mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto
asciilifeform: and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same.
asciilifeform: xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto
asciilifeform: incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma.
mircea_popescu: so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user.
asciilifeform: even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min.
mircea_popescu: (for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!)
asciilifeform: if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext...
asciilifeform: 'I have been involved in Bitcoin since before the "Mt. Gox Fast Pay" thread that produced Bitinstant. My law cases make me the bearer of Bitcoin 2.0 no matter what. Bitcoin 2.0 is simply my daemon forked from a sued Ripple Labs qualified as an invention with features added and the Bitcoin upgrade address 1J7CAm6bavGcG52xgobn8n9ScnAzH8JZUm - I have pledged to drain the exchanges until exchange
asciilifeform: it won't buy a dirigible, no
mircea_popescu: so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant".
asciilifeform: this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application.
mircea_popescu: if a very ugly degenerate form.
mircea_popescu: branch it out like a tree.
asciilifeform: incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is,
asciilifeform: plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough
mircea_popescu: i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists".
mircea_popescu: and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate"
mircea_popescu: "It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist."
mircea_popescu: der, s-high, there's a list.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined.
mircea_popescu: "A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes."
asciilifeform: phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there
asciilifeform: incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing.
mircea_popescu: having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful.
mircea_popescu: it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term.
mod6: i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first.
mod6: just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that.
assbot: GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi6eb )
asciilifeform: (you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet)
mircea_popescu: the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans.
asciilifeform: this might be a productive approach for trb
asciilifeform: one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~
mod6: so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made.
mircea_popescu: thats a thing that isn't.
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem there.
mircea_popescu: GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler"
mircea_popescu: "Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below):
mod6: anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later.
mod6: what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't
mircea_popescu: so basically it's a c++ test framework.
mod6: anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful.
asciilifeform: whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered
mod6: i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time.
mircea_popescu: mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ?
mod6: and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful.
mod6: any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ?
asciilifeform: what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash.
mircea_popescu: what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point.
asciilifeform: eh they just have a different pope
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
mircea_popescu: #b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it.
mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol.
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities."
mircea_popescu: ahaha such a gem #2.
mircea_popescu: Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z"
mircea_popescu: after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand
mircea_popescu: encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight.
mircea_popescu: conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES
mircea_popescu: S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.)
mircea_popescu: information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals
mircea_popescu: "OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook.
asciilifeform: adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch.
asciilifeform: best manual for a product in history, srsly
mircea_popescu: multiple. still a fucking gem.
asciilifeform: i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread ☟︎
mircea_popescu: such a gem this thing
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mircea_popescu: a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate.
BingoBoingo: Seriously It's a thing
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 00:06:01; ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank
punkman: http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks"
mats: overall progress is pretty slow. i would benefit from a mentor, but none of the greybeards i know, have time for me
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:05:28; asciilifeform: but it is also impossible ~with~ a wot, unless you are mircea_popescu and are in commerce with another mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc he does it deliberately, it was supposed to be a summary thing
nubbins`: afaik pete only wrote a blog where he regurgitated mp themes
asciilifeform: mats: i well recall that it was a proper, orderly, military pant-shitting, don't worry
pete_d_out: i'd like to sumbit that mats be removed from the lordship list on the upcoming go-around. tis but a humble proposal to my fellow lords.
asciilifeform: i saw a chinese one melt, with my own eyes
pete_d_out: but yes, it's definitely a thing
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:33:30; kakobrekla: its like youd need to 'take care' of a tank.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:29:56; asciilifeform: i've never in my whole life used a back pocket.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:07; nubbins`: as a lord of bitcoin, tmsr~, cognizant of the responsibilities that my words thusly carry, i hereby solemnly rebuke any attempt to strip me of my lordship.
mircea_popescu: i have a samsung thingee