asciilifeform: there are other commands, e.g., X takes 2 numbers off stack and modexponentiates

asciilifeform: thereby you get a stateless hexbignumreader

asciilifeform: 'z' simply puts a 0 on the stack, and if ptron sees 0-9 or A-F it shoves the 0 leftward 4 bits, and stuffs in the nibble in place

asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DYPuN/?raw=true << simple example, verification of a signature using public modulus entered 'by hand'

asciilifeform: moves the complexity, such that remains, into the payloads.

asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: it won't be fired in battlefield tonight, that is for sure.

asciilifeform: trinque: i cannot answer this, because it is an experimental weapon

asciilifeform: *to death

asciilifeform: but i don't see a good argument for fucking it but not to deaoth

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: afaik: not with standard gpg, or such that standard gpg will eat the result

asciilifeform: maybe it has a clean answer.

asciilifeform: thread began with my asking people to think about this one.

asciilifeform: i have nfi yet.

asciilifeform: not so fast.

asciilifeform: i dunno if there exists upon this cursed earth a rope that doesn't break when i go and pull on it...

asciilifeform: it eats clearsigns neh ?

asciilifeform: not afaik

asciilifeform: is there any means for doing this ?

asciilifeform: which brings back to #1 horror -- how do i deedbot a vpatch and its sig..?

asciilifeform: exists but i ain't signing that horror show.

asciilifeform: cpld program - vified.

asciilifeform: the schem will be nonclearsigned, the sig -- posted. the boards -- physically wrapped in copies of the schem. is all i can offer.

asciilifeform: under any circumstances.

asciilifeform: a 'everyone scrolls past when reading' turd does NOT belong in v.

asciilifeform: and i find myself agreeing with phf

asciilifeform: and tmsr-fab, and many other things.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: at all.

asciilifeform: simply that i am stuck in this corner, where there is a thing that needs doing, that i do not have with what to do.

asciilifeform: it was not my favoured hypothesis that they must be fixed.

asciilifeform: and i haven't one

asciilifeform: apparently

asciilifeform: the actual semantic content of that schem is miniscule.

asciilifeform: and is to STAY short.

asciilifeform: it was short when i wrote it.

asciilifeform: this is no good, jurov .

asciilifeform: then what.

asciilifeform: and tomorrow everyone ends up on boxes with gtk44444 and it fetches ALL urls.

asciilifeform: this differs from jurov's ?

asciilifeform: is how my copy begins

asciilifeform: <svg viewBox="-0.07500000000000284 -248.995 196.2842 249.07" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.0" overflow="visible">

asciilifeform: jurov: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: png is a bitmap format! where does it ask for www turd? can haz snippet ?

asciilifeform: i tested.

asciilifeform: if nic is unplugged, libpng works

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not per image load !

asciilifeform: i do not want to sign a 'insert usg turd here!' even if theoretically the instruction is not followed on extant renderer

asciilifeform: libpng doesn't ask for a turd from the www afaik !

asciilifeform: or begins to include something it oughn't

asciilifeform: what, incidentally, will happen if http://www.w3.org/2000/svg dies ?

asciilifeform: massive turd tho.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: now displays..

asciilifeform: ooh

asciilifeform: no, why

asciilifeform: why --- only satan knows

asciilifeform: other svg's (e.g., the ones on pediwikia) seem to work...

asciilifeform: that probably won't display on my box no matter how massaged, even.

asciilifeform: the problem of signing shit soup.

asciilifeform: possibly, but does this solve the problem.

asciilifeform: which i am not even sure differs substantially from the svg situation.

asciilifeform: the original, btw, is 600+kB of xml. but this does 0 without the closed-source turd viewer.

asciilifeform: i am apparently 'blessed' with turning over every stone in every garden and releasing every type of insect possible.

asciilifeform: just sayin'.

asciilifeform: and ftr i am not signing a document that i am supposed to be the original author of but CANNOT GET TO HAPPEN ON MY BOX

asciilifeform: e4146be79663731228bfb1d9efe20e6df9ee18921ebeb1a40e2f18d17b7b4c6ceb8606af8ffa8cbcd99ab174e714a927443f9632ebd812328de4c9d9a9086c0b 2.svg

asciilifeform: eee2b71ee18e7a7fe2db81a89dc143a5eabf3e88d6e72df1d5e11c8772999fe99baf1900ade2e8a2797dea8f3cd740383a4705a3cc87b2af24517b348c0e65d1 1.svg

asciilifeform: BUT still not opens anywhere.

asciilifeform: (closed properly)

asciilifeform: the second --- not

asciilifeform: btw the first svg is cut off mid-tag

asciilifeform: i had -i -d

asciilifeform: jurov: ^ is what i did

asciilifeform: it is more or less as simple as a schematic gets in life

asciilifeform: it isn't complex !

asciilifeform: nor FreeCAD

asciilifeform: fwiw inkscape won't eat it either

asciilifeform: for 100% of all bitmap work.

asciilifeform: and i've been using THIS gimp since 2010.

asciilifeform: this is lunacy

asciilifeform: <path d="M 74.1479 74.5402 A 0.03174909447527987 0.03174909447527987 0 0 1 74.103 74.4953 " stroke-width="0.0635"/>

asciilifeform: i am NOT signing 2+MB of <path d="M 74.336 74.2623 A 0.03178446947803285 0.03178446947803285 0 0 1 74.381 74.3072 " stroke-width="0.0635"/>

asciilifeform: trinque: just not released yet.

asciilifeform: trinque: that is simple and i solved it.

asciilifeform: i have '---' in there. it will FUCKING STAY '---'.

asciilifeform: trinque: 1 is still problem : it is impossible to deedbot an UNMUTILATED payload

asciilifeform: ok now say to me how to vify a schematic.

asciilifeform: trinque: read, plz, log.

asciilifeform: trinque: that was problem 1 of 2

asciilifeform: 3

asciilifeform: i will NOT allow gtk.

asciilifeform: what, i gotta allow gtk3 now ?!?!??!?!??!?!

asciilifeform: (others -- work)

asciilifeform: because i have nothing on my box that will show THIS svg

asciilifeform: b) svg apparently is not a standard

asciilifeform: a) 2MB crapaola, i'm not signing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is nonsense and you know it

asciilifeform: trinque: waiwut