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lurker: They don't want centralization.
lurker: mircea_popescu: there might be a way to attack this mathematically but I don't know if there is an exact answer to "how much". The extreme min. would be to have 2 trusted but untrusting miners.
mircea_popescu: i mean "BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough". what's enough and how do you know ?
lurker: BTC can't survive without being decentralized enough.
pankkake: centralization is often misunderstood. for instance, mining isn't becoming centralized
dexX7: because it wasn't clear what your role was
pankkake: I've been thinking about starting an xpm mining operation (there are some cheap deals you can profit from), but it certainly wouldn't be denominated in xp
dexX7: i don't know, but mp is the one who approves the listings, i guess
jcpham: shouldn't adviser be advisor
nubbins`: he obviously didn't do a dry run of his presentation before the real thing, hey?
KRS-: lol jurov i'm in I.T. i feel your pain
kleeck: I can't deal with that level of fail.
mircea_popescu: yes, 99% of the time 99% of your shit isn't at work / needed.
bob_: we are trying to figure that out :) since you don't allow high-frequency trading anyway, nobody cares if it's < .1 seconds or < .2 seconds.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, mpex is very much an adaptive beast. it's the best i can do, honestly, because i don't know the correct way to build bitcoin systems
mircea_popescu: also, machines don't cost 0.
mircea_popescu: at some point the dilemma is, "either people will complain becauyse it takes too long, or people will complain because x edge case wasn't covered in the security design"
mircea_popescu: however, if the result of errors is not nil, you can't just shrug and move on
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.
nubbins`: but that didn't quite overcome her crippling lack of social skills or job knowledge
nubbins`: being happy *and* satiated? you've got it knocked. don't change a thing.
the20year: in modern society there's no problem, punishment or negative towards someone who doesn't want to do anything with life
nubbins`: but i think the problem in a lot of cases is that people just don't want anything
nubbins`: that's almost worse, spinning your wheels so slowly that you don't even notice you're sinking into the mud
jurov: but they can't get somewhere where they have maths! even if their life depends on it...
the20year: I don't know how many people I know with psycology degrees who are flipping burgers still
the20year: So why couldn't you explain it?
the20year: I asked him "Who are you applying to after college" and he didn't think he could get employed ,even though a logistics degree is amazing to have
the20year: My cousin went to school for history, then he realized he can't get a job there, so now he's getting another degree in logistics
the20year: I hate hourly pay, so what I typically offer is contract pricing, pay-for-performace models, so as they get better ,their wages automatically increase, and then if they don't work well they'll quit on their own without dragging down the company too much
nubbins`: you can't "keep" people motivated
mircea_popescu: jurov because at some point your system is either cenrtralised or it isn't.
pankkake: I wouldn't employ most of the people who got the diplomas I got
KRS-: nubbins: not sure if you went to college or not, I did and I learned a lot. A lot of what you said is true, but you can't discount a degree someone has attained.
nubbins`: spending six years learning that i didn't want to spend the rest of my life working in an office was the best learning experience i got
pankkake: didn't even bother coming back for the diplomas
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: one of the big problems with higher education is that students think "ok, i just attend these classes, get this degree, and i'm employable", which is just not true. getting a university degree, college diploma, whatever, doesn't mean you're employable, doesn't mean you have skills, doesn't mean you know how to do anything besides graduate from a program. the value isn't in the degre
bob_: looks like 10 days of data missing. well, those trades probably weren't important anyway :D
pankkake: http://www.audiograal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/testeur.jpg depending on the wall, the errors weren't the same
pankkake: well, I don't know really, of course it doesn't make sense. but something was reversed according to my tester
pankkake: I don't really see the relation with the article though
dub: this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ElJ9wQllJ0&t=2m27s
ozbot: Tornts - Don't Like Ya Shit [feat. Billy Bunks] - YouTube
mircea_popescu: sent the pcb in the dead one to be cut apart, i'll have the results in a coupla weeks, i don't expect to see anything.
pankkake: I don't really like Guiness. Unlike women I like blondes better
pankkake: I wouldn't mind an opportunity to get out of France though
jurov: i don't see any such trades... or assbot censors them now?
pankkake: well you can't. clever!
pankkake: hm, so Armory signature didn't work, but brainwallet.org's did work
mike_c: but that wouldn't spook the bitcointalk crowd into pumping AM shares
mircea_popescu: how much were gen2 nre costs, and wasn;'t there a gen3 that's supposed to be where the real hash comes from ?
mircea_popescu: they just won't move to an0 already would they ;/
dexX7: no, i see numbers, but i can't "rate" them
dexX7: well, i don't know. i have no reference to say "it's good or bad"
asciilifeform: hotwallets aren't entirely useless. they make perfectly decent honeypots for crapware analysis.
mircea_popescu: sysadmin doesn't have any coins.
mircea_popescu: i just don;t have what with lol
Kleeck_: You can't?
mircea_popescu: anyway. normally it could have recovered on the fly, but now chief engineer wants to see why it failed right now, and i can't argue with her.
jurov: but half a smartphone isn't very convenient to keep on myself all the time (for disposable communication-related keys and protection from unauthorized use)
FabianB_: i think ThickAsThieves didn't mean mpoe bot, since it doesn't trade s.mpoe, does it?
mircea_popescu: o, mpoe bot has a different interface to the trade engine, it can't be affected by this stuff
FabianB_: it's more of a depth bot, not volume, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: shouldn't happen again, at least not in exactly the same way.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it wasn't an attack of any sort or even related to outside influence. it was a problem stemming from the too stringent checking imposed on proxy synchronization after the last adventure, which in an edge case put everything in a paranoid state.
FabianB_: yeah, i wouldn't trade on mpex without being here or checking logs once in a while
mircea_popescu: i would imagine they see them in the log or don't care or something tailored to personal taste
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be, it just tests assbot.
turbo_ac100_: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f1KbfFdUTQ4#t=121 "If you don't like funerals don't kick sand into a ninjas' face"
turbo_ac100_: dieharmony.jpg That's Die Antwoord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ I didn't know there is a movie!
mircea_popescu: dexX7 haven't quite failed yet tyvm
mircea_popescu: i don't think they're doing anything bad, and heck, bitcoin can benefit from the attention of more people with financial expertise
dexX7: i remember very vague that many had "bitcoin doesn't care about the sec" or so in their signatures. was this after glbse?
mircea_popescu: the girl accused him of insider dealing, he swore he didn't have a clue wtf nefario was doing
Kleeck_: Then when you say, "That's bullshit." They say, "No it isn't... Look at this!"
Kleeck_: Sometimes I don't read book because the cover looks like shit.
dexX7: i can't trust what i read, so i can't trust mp obviously :p
mircea_popescu: this isn't school.
mircea_popescu: no, see, this is the problem. you don;'t start by believing what you read is true,
dexX7: i don't know ;)
mircea_popescu: no, i have specific things in mind. for instance, how come i can't find a name ion the about us page,
dexX7: hm i don't know what it is exactly, but it's a plattform for accredited investors. afaik some big companies like twitter were "traded" there
mircea_popescu: i don't recall on the spot. what would this be about ?
[\]: mircea_popescu: don't feed the trolls.
mircea_popescu: can anybody do anything on mpex yet? i see trades on assbot, but nobody here seems to be able to talk to it (including me)? << atm proxies are dumping most of the input because they can't agree its valid
mike_c: er, not that its response is invalidly signed. it doesn't recognize me. (Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.) which seems to be same as you guys were seeing 4 hours ago
lurker: isn't mpex the fastest and fuck you bitch? must be the internet then!
dexX7: from that point on he claimed he was behind "everything" on the nets, but of course he wasn't
asciilifeform: i still can't bring myself to call a widget that pushes only electrons a robot.
asciilifeform: i've never once been inside - didn't have clearance.
mircea_popescu: afaik you can't even go into the mouse farms anymore
mircea_popescu: they figured it's easy to do, and so didn't pay enough attention to the samples
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, they can't actually sprout shitake.
asciilifeform: we have those already: chinese postdocs. they don't always cut it, though.
asciilifeform: it's also a game of 'e. coli simply can't be persuaded to piss out X.' or 'croaks trying.'
mircea_popescu: you don't know...
asciilifeform: very much so. a place i worked went broke partly because we couldn't get a necessary transfection going.
mircea_popescu: what plant doesn't fruit ?!
mircea_popescu: monkey` i can't tell you cause you'll probably be mean to it.
mircea_popescu: somehow we must get this perfect middle where if you don't understand you ask but if you think you know better you stfu or get caned.