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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.75 = 4.5 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: somehow we must get this perfect middle where if you don't understand you ask but if you think you know better you stfu or get caned.
mircea_popescu: i'd totally move to that ghanada.
mircea_popescu: heck, even pay taxes.
nubbins`: !
nubbins`: funny, "ghanada" is exactly what's written on the covers of the zines
nubbins`: you sure you're not a youth volunteer?
mircea_popescu: i'm just the nsa, that's all.
monkey`: that trashbag mircea popescu selling a new pump and dump?
kakobrekla: dis comming from labcoin investor?
monkey`: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.NSA
monkey`: fuck is this new garbage? what happend to his little online RPG
mircea_popescu: Jun 22 23:49:41 <ThickAsThieves>[16:47] * bitcoin935 (3246306d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: <ThickAsThieves> sometimes i watch "the three stooges" to take notes.)
mircea_popescu: so i guess this is the that guy, what's his name
monkey`: shutup gypsy
mircea_popescu: what were you originally ? the guy with the cars/living standards/whatnot
monkey`: where is your online game?
mod6: money` = EB
mod6: *monkey`
nubbins`: oh! eskimo bob?
mircea_popescu: no ?!
mod6: yah, long time no troll
asciilifeform: reptilia? is back?
monkey`: mircea_popescu: where is your online RPG?
mircea_popescu: ahaha, wait, the "fuck asics, i'll make a heat oven PMG" ?
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: monkey` i can't tell you cause you'll probably be mean to it.
monkey`: mircea right
monkey`: mircea is an adult? lol.
monkey`: fake name too
nubbins`: everybody's an adult but you ;)
mircea_popescu: but srsly, http://minigame.bz/eulora/binaries/
nubbins`: ^
dexX7: you sure are minimal.. http://minigame.bz/
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you know the all one california crazy soap ?
dexX7: which one? californication?
mircea_popescu: nono
dexX7: i have no idea what you are talking about
dexX7: :/
mircea_popescu: http://www.drbronner.com/
ozbot: Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps All-One
dexX7: haha wtf
mircea_popescu: you should see the labels on those things
mircea_popescu: it's basically timecube on a fmcg label
nubbins`: i watched a documentary on that soap a while ago
nubbins`: weird people
mircea_popescu: it
mircea_popescu: 's even got sideways print to fill all available surfaces with rant
dexX7: interesting approach
mircea_popescu: dexX7's TIL counter is getting tickled today lol
nubbins`: hmm, EB has fallen oddly silent
mircea_popescu: i think it's the other guy honestly
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was his original handle
nubbins`: ah
mircea_popescu: dub what's the guy's handle ?
benkay: tib?
mircea_popescu: a a yes
mircea_popescu: tiberiusd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [-]
benkay: tib was a class act
benkay: he even got you worked up a few times
mircea_popescu: o ya ?
benkay: point is this human is no tiberiusxiv
nubbins`: (HEH)
mircea_popescu: mebbeh so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00727552 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00239999 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 103 @ 0.00114798 = 0.1182 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00239999 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00239999 = 0.24 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/were-all-one/ dex there's a pic of the label there.
ozbot: We’re all one pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0024 = 0.24 BTC [+]
benkay: amazing soap
Kleeck_: assbot is such a dick
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, it IS the best soap in the us
dexX7: lol
dexX7: indeed an amazing soap
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
nubbins`: http://all-one-typography.com/Dr_Bronners-label-Peppermint-32oz.jpg
nubbins`: i'm outta here, it's friday night and i'm still sober
KRS1: do something about that player im about to
mircea_popescu: omfg they have it online. wow.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
benkay: y'all should see their new tirades about GMOs
Kleeck_: GMOs are the devil.
benkay: dat binary thinking
Kleeck_: dat assumption.
Kleeck_: :)
Kleeck_: "Agree with me or you're binary!"
Kleeck_: ROFL.
Kleeck_: The illusion of intelligence.
benkay: what ams devil?
benkay: what ams gmo?
benkay: i just want a little more subtlety in the conversation
KRS1: nothing wrong with gmo's..people just being paranoid.
benkay: f.ex: an organism identified to carry a certain set of genes bred with another organism some breeders would like to see that gene in
benkay: ams gmo?
KRS1: benkay: engineers reprogram for instance the dna of a tomato so they grow really big and feed more people..a really simple example
mircea_popescu: benkay do you understand the process behind gmo ?
benkay: (mircea_popescu: yes)
mircea_popescu: well so then that's the objection. has nothing to do with reproduction, it's just mashing things together
benkay: i'm quibbling about what it means for a thing to be a "genetically modified organism"
benkay: especially given what's coming out about the common nature of organic viral-driven lateral gene transfer
mircea_popescu: it means to have undergone this process where random bits of dna were thrown at a large number of cells just like it, in the hopes that something maybe catches.
dexX7: usually it's more like "we make the tomato resistant vs pesticide x" afaik
mircea_popescu: benkay i will trust a natural process, such as viral transfer, on the grounds that in millenia of practice it failed to make the world dangerous for me.
mircea_popescu: i will not trust an industrial process, such as gmo, on the grounds that in centuries of practice it NEVER failed to make the world dangerous for me.
dexX7: ^ +1
mircea_popescu: quite a gap there
benkay: on the same note, everything that increases agricultural output is a bad thing 'cause it leads rather quickly to more humans
asciilifeform: there's also the more prosaic fact that 99% of gmo work is for: pesticide resistance.
mircea_popescu: that's also a good point yeah.
asciilifeform: pesticide/herbicide
mircea_popescu: benkay i doubt there's much relation. famine is well resilient to dropping prices of grain
mircea_popescu: people will make ethanol out of corn or buy it to rot in govt "reserves" before feeding any starving idiots
asciilifeform: btw, when will the drug aficionados get around to the fabled 'THC tomato.' that'd be something to write home about.
benkay: why would you put those genes in a plant that fruits?
mircea_popescu: what plant doesn't fruit ?!
asciilifeform: camouflage.
benkay: actually now i'm curious what an unpollinated tomato would do
benkay: 'cause that's how one prevents a pot plant from going to seed
benkay: anyways there's decades of breeding in the pot plants that i find it hard to imagine getting around with gmos
mircea_popescu: you never know your luck
mircea_popescu: gmo is basically a game of vegas slots
mircea_popescu: except people have found a way to get investors to pay for it
asciilifeform: very much so. a place i worked went broke partly because we couldn't get a necessary transfection going.
mircea_popescu: it's basically a game of "twelve lines" or "six lines" or w/e
mircea_popescu: those lines could each be 1 in 100
mircea_popescu: or they could be 1 in 10^65
mircea_popescu: you don't know...
mircea_popescu: so you get five of the six... and that's all you're going to get.
asciilifeform: it's also a game of 'e. coli simply can't be persuaded to piss out X.' or 'croaks trying.'
mircea_popescu: that's probably the product of the future, by the way : the organic computer.
KRS1: yes
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, this programmable device capable of controlled gmoization.
mircea_popescu: sort of like a 3d printer + desktop combo, but made out of cunt tissue and capable of pissing apples.
mircea_popescu: (not whole apples, of course. apple paste)
asciilifeform: we have those already: chinese postdocs. they don't always cut it, though.
KRS1: heh thats quite a picture
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, they can't actually sprout shitake.
KRS1: i would like pr0ns of that
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, the saddest story to date is of this corp that MANAGED it. once.
mircea_popescu: they figured it's easy to do, and so didn't pay enough attention to the samples
mircea_popescu: which died.
mircea_popescu: and then could never do it again.
asciilifeform: managed what?
mircea_popescu: the whole list of combos they needed
mircea_popescu: apparently one of them being a very improbable occurence they lucked out on. once.
asciilifeform: when you're in bio business, you have to be prepared that your working capital can literally croak.
asciilifeform: one of the worst occasions is when a mouse farm dies
asciilifeform: this can happen overnight.
asciilifeform: (little buggers all catch something at once. esp. if they're immunocompromised for whatever reason.)
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: afaik you can't even go into the mouse farms anymore
mircea_popescu: wholly robotic shit
asciilifeform: btw, phun phact: they're under 24/7 armed guard, in any respectable shop.
asciilifeform: i've never once been inside - didn't have clearance.
mircea_popescu: well 20 years ago it was a lot more amicable a thing
mircea_popescu: ;;ident benkay
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
asciilifeform: the newer ones have compartmentalized air supplies for individual lots - a bit like dirigible ballonettes.
benkay: ;;ident benkay
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
benkay: wa
benkay: oh wot as well
benkay: a full day of fighting stupid computers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00082881 = 6.1332 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: !mp http://dpaste.com/1429816/plain/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1429817/plain/
benkay: the robots hate me today
asciilifeform: benkay: industrial robo?
benkay: no, i got shot of actual physical fucking atoms a year ago
benkay: nearly a year and a half!
benkay: the cloud robots.
asciilifeform: i still can't bring myself to call a widget that pushes only electrons a robot.
benkay: the widgets for which i'm responsible ultimately move atoms around
benkay: but only after shunting lots of electrons and making lots of api calls and getting the odd human involved
benkay: far more fun to play with than the industrial type
asciilifeform: there's an undeniable sportsmanship appeal to programming a computer that might kill you, however.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00722 = 0.361 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: mega personal happiness penalties from programming in proprietary ladder logic though
asciilifeform: it beats xyz arms hooked up to winblows boxes.
benkay: comprable
benkay: the only upside to that gig was watching the shop operators grow more and more uncomfortable around me and my robots during my tenure
benkay: i would have enjoyed it more had i embraced my sadistic side earlier in life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00720016 = 0.432 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-october-2013-statement/
ozbot: MPOE, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at the ranch, "Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00700777 = 0.4625 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: japan gets another 7.1
mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-site-ddos-attack-754/
dexX7: @AnonymousOwn3r << this guy is a joke
dexX7: it's a wonder that he is still on the nets
mircea_popescu: why ? nobody really goes after the jokers.
dexX7: hmhm.. i'm not sure what exactly the issue was, but do you remember when almost all godaddy related/hosted websites went black a year ago or so?
mircea_popescu: vaguely
dexX7: this was the time this guy popped up, claiming it was him, web news picked it up
dexX7: from that point on he claimed he was behind "everything" on the nets, but of course he wasn't
dexX7: people found his facebook account etc. where he was posting screenshots of his "operations"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5239 @ 0.00082487 = 4.3215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hm.
dexX7: http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/10/godaddy-outage-takes-down-millions-of-sites/
ozbot: GoDaddy Outage Takes Down Millions Of Sites, Anonymous Member Claims Responsibility | TechCrunch
mircea_popescu: anyway, im sure the twitter in question is being run by some teen having fun, otherwise unrelated to anything
dexX7: haha yea
bloctoc: go daddy down probably related to savetoby.com http://www.bobparsons.me/archive_article.php?entry_id=38
dexX7: A man claims to have found an injured, young rabbit under a porch one day, and then nursed it back to health. He then named the rabbit Toby. This individual swears that he will have Toby butchered and served for dinner on June 30, 2005, unless he is able to raise $50,000 in donations or merchandise sales.
KRS1: clever
KRS1: he'll probably get it too
bloctoc: The response from GoDaddy Founder: "I now own a SaveToby.com mouse pad"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.07467 = 0.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.07468 = 0.1494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082403 = 10.5476 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1892 @ 0.0024 = 4.5408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1827 @ 0.00082285 = 1.5033 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4906 @ 0.00015999 = 0.7849 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00114799 = 1.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.0008224 = 5.0265 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00248999 = 0.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2589 @ 0.00015903 = 0.4117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1036 @ 0.00114799 = 1.1893 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.07467 = 0.5227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 600 @ 0.00114799 = 0.6888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00114799 = 0.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12416 @ 0.00082662 = 10.2633 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.787 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00748898 = 0.2621 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00749 = 0.3745 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00749999 = 0.2775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 298 @ 0.00759 = 2.2618 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.007681 = 0.9985 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1008 @ 0.0024 = 2.4192 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.787999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00726101 = 0.1815 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 261 @ 0.00114799 = 0.2996 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00082616 = 2.9742 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.761 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00082424 = 5.3576 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: $help
mpexbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
jurov: $commands
jurov: anyone successfully placed a command to mpex in past 3 hours?
mod6: not me either... was about to test via dpaste.
jurov: $mpexlag
mpexbot: jurov: 0.117774009705 seconds
mod6: !mp http://dpaste.com/1430123/
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/1430125/plain/
jurov: ic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114799 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.07468999 = 0.2241 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+]
ASIVI__: test
kakobrekla: it works!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00016 = 0.8 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu done
gribble: The operation succeeded.
VanCleef: how is mpex suppose to lag when nobdy uses it?
lurker: isn't mpex the fastest and fuck you bitch? must be the internet then!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13286 @ 0.00082195 = 10.9204 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: hmm. I just checked again and I'm still unknown sig.
mod6: something strange is afoot
kakobrekla: yet theres some trading going on
kakobrekla: fake trade vol!
mod6: are you having no trouble executing orders or commands?
mod6: jurov and I were having the same issues.
mod6: s/were/are
kakobrekla: me too
mod6: ok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
turbo_ac100_: good pastebin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.00248996 = 0.3088 BTC [+]
turbo_ac100_: nvm, using dpaste.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 7174 @ 0.00249919 = 17.9292 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 542 @ 0.0025 = 1.355 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3233 @ 0.00082063 = 2.6531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8167 @ 0.00082063 = 6.7021 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 499 @ 0.0074 = 3.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6427 @ 0.00081905 = 5.264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.00272 = 0.3998 BTC [+]
mike_c: can anybody do anything on mpex yet? i see trades on assbot, but nobody here seems to be able to talk to it (including me)?
kakobrekla: yeah i can ping it
mike_c: everything i get back from it seems to be invalidly signed
kakobrekla: Failing last since 2011, twice?
mike_c: heh
mike_c: er, not that its response is invalidly signed. it doesn't recognize me. (Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.) which seems to be same as you guys were seeing 4 hours ago
mike_c: who has mp's pager number?
pankkake: ;;market sell 144000
gribble: A market order to sell 144000 bitcoins right now would net 14029024.4938 USD and would take the last price down to 23.3800 USD, resulting in an average price of 97.4238 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 81.6503 seconds
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 191.03000, Best ask: 192.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 192.00000, 24 hour volume: 20318.37757498, 24 hour low: 177.21000, 24 hour high: 198.89000, 24 hour vwap: 189.57829
mike_c: its 174k now
mike_c: ;;market sell 174000
gribble: A market order to sell 174000 bitcoins right now would net 14444712.8737 USD and would take the last price down to 10.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 83.0156 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0072 seconds
mike_c: they might do it too :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [+]
mike_c: bitcoincharts api is down too
mike_c: http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/trades.csv?symbol=mtgoxUSD
mike_c: mpex is flaking out, bitcoincharts. what's next, btcjam starts having problems?
kakobrekla: i thought btcjam already had problems
pankkake: it's jammed?
kakobrekla: with strawberry jam
mike_c: btcjam is way easier than mpex. i can sign in with my facebook account.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.79 = 2.37 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: not sure if srs or trolling
mike_c: hard to tell ;)
mircea_popescu: mike_c:
mircea_popescu: can anybody do anything on mpex yet? i see trades on assbot, but nobody here seems to be able to talk to it (including me)? << atm proxies are dumping most of the input because they can't agree its valid
mircea_popescu: being worked on
mike_c: k, thanks for update
mircea_popescu: jurov mod6 any of you want to try now ?
mircea_popescu: VanCleef you know, for a site that nobody uses i'm always surprised to see public channels notice any hickup a minute before or a minute after the tech people whose job it is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5526 @ 0.0008051 = 4.449 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5836 @ 0.00080476 = 4.6966 BTC [-] {2}
[\]: mircea_popescu: don't feed the trolls.
mircea_popescu: but i got all this spare food
[\]: put it down the garbage disposal.
[\]: It has the same equivalent.
KRS1: moar
mircea_popescu: $post MWhEZwxU
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/PA4D1dGZ
mircea_popescu: i r insult.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00754572 = 0.9734 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 190 @ 0.00769367 = 1.4618 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0077 = 0.1463 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.074698 = 0.3735 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.32250572 = 2.2575 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.31332001 = 1.2533 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0076999 = 0.154 BTC [-]
dexX7: mircea_popescu: did secondmarket ever contact you?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall on the spot. what would this be about ?
dexX7: secondmarket.com/fund/bitcoin-investment-trust
dexX7: i heard they are looking for people with many coins
dexX7: i was just curious :)
mircea_popescu: not afaik
mircea_popescu: also it looks scammy as all fuck, what the hell is that ?
dexX7: it's not a scam
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
VanCleef: bitcoin is a scam so yeh its a scam
dexX7: hm i don't know what it is exactly, but it's a plattform for accredited investors. afaik some big companies like twitter were "traded" there
mircea_popescu: no, i have specific things in mind. for instance, how come i can't find a name ion the about us page,
mircea_popescu: but instead find a sales pitch intended for people with a financial iq corresponding to about the age of 15 ?
mircea_popescu: and where's the finra etc regs.
dexX7: i don't know ;)
mircea_popescu: and what are all those llcs being held by incs i never heard about.
mircea_popescu: so yeah. now you know kinda how the mental process goes.
mircea_popescu: and as far as to the "were traded there" : i can put up a website tomorrow which claims to be trading your mom. this does not imply anything about the actual lady's probity.
mircea_popescu: it just means some kid with a html editor was bored
dexX7: i'm just saying what i read and i have no reason to believe that it's not true
dexX7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecondMarket
mircea_popescu: no, see, this is the problem. you don;'t start by believing what you read is true,
mircea_popescu: you start by believing what you read is false.
mircea_popescu: this isn't school.
dexX7: fine, but how do i verify something then?
mircea_popescu: well that's where it gets complicated. give an actual example.
VanCleef: mp will verify it for you
mircea_popescu: lol that only works if you trust me.
VanCleef: i only trust mp
dexX7: i can't trust what i read, so i can't trust mp obviously :p
mircea_popescu: but i said "start".
Kleeck_: ROFL.
Kleeck_: THis is hilarious.
Kleeck_: TIL Secondmarket was written by "some kid with an html editor"
Kleeck_: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/beyond-facebook-secondmarket-opens-its-doors-to-thousands/
Kleeck_: It's a well known alt market.
mircea_popescu: not secondmarket dood.
mircea_popescu: some fund
Kleeck_: Their ETF?
zoinky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecondMarket
mircea_popescu: it's their etf ?
Kleeck_: Yes.
mircea_popescu: dude i gotta relook at this site now.
Kleeck_: Similar to the winklevi, but without the need for SEC approval.
Kleeck_: Because it's limited to accredited investors only.
Kleeck_: I read an article about it a month or two ago
Kleeck_: I'll find it.
zoinky: secondmarket did privates stock for groupon, facebook and twitter
zoinky: before they went public
mircea_popescu: $25K
mircea_popescu: Min. Investment
mircea_popescu: 332
mircea_popescu: Days Left
Kleeck_: Here it is: http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/09/26/the-bitcoin-bug-bites-secondmarket/
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's some random item on their platform anyone could have created, much like the other "open platforms" of the sort
Kleeck_: Yeah. It's not for your everyday Joe. That's what the Winklevii are trying.
pankkake: zoinky> secondmarket did privates stock for groupon, facebook and twitter <= so, scams
Kleeck_: ROFL
zoinky: i guess so
Kleeck_: YES! The "scam" label has reached an all time low.
zoinky: scams rule the world
pankkake: companies who have no intention to make their investors richer would be a more explicit label ;)
mircea_popescu: well what can i tell you. yes silbert is well known, no we've not talked, yes that fund looks dubious to me.
mircea_popescu: i guess judging by the site is a superficial approach to life.
Kleeck_: Sometimes I don't read book because the cover looks like shit.
pankkake: people judge mpex by its appearance
mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ i do that all the motherfucking time. i am fortunate to have people who love/hate me enough to insist on the topic.
Kleeck_: ^
mircea_popescu: in fact, i did *the exact same thing* about bitcoin, it took commebnters on my blog ~3 months to get me to look again
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Kleeck_: It help to have a circle of intelligent people that you respect.
Kleeck_: And who can be challenged and challenge you.
Kleeck_: Then when you say, "That's bullshit." They say, "No it isn't... Look at this!"
mircea_popescu: o, people love to challenge me. because i'm such a snotty asshole see ?
mircea_popescu: works out.
Kleeck_: :)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 174 @ 0.00262074 = 0.456 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: (also, fb IS a motherfucking scam. not at all in the same sense, of course)
dexX7: next question: people on reddit say theymos is a scammer, why?
mircea_popescu: well, better question would be "why this time" i think
mircea_popescu: at some point they were incensed about his reading pms on the forum, earlier about his poor manageemnt of forum donations,
mircea_popescu: earlier about his promiting pirate, earluier about his glbse stock dealings,
mircea_popescu: it's a list
dexX7: yeah, "this time" is about pirate again
dexX7: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1p4shj/founder_reflects_on_the_closure_of_bitcoin_stock/ccyz2c4
ozbot: theymos comments on Founder reflects on the closure of Bitcoin stock exchange GLBSE
mircea_popescu: a ok. many of these recur.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're too new to know, but the way glbse croaked was like this : theymos announced a private sale of his glbse stock (+ some aussie scammer's)
mircea_popescu: a week later glbse just closed
mircea_popescu: the girl accused him of insider dealing, he swore he didn't have a clue wtf nefario was doing
mircea_popescu: the matter was dropped, as i believed him,
dexX7: was this before or after the "internal shareholder discussion2ß
mircea_popescu: but it left a lot of animosity between them
mircea_popescu: this was just about at that time
dexX7: ah okay
dexX7: i remember very vague that many had "bitcoin doesn't care about the sec" or so in their signatures. was this after glbse?
mircea_popescu: also, re the earlier discussion : sm is a marketplace for illiquid assets. it's not that it just magically gets past the hoops winklevoss have to jump through, it's a very specific thing
mircea_popescu: lest some bright young mind reads the log and gets confused.
mircea_popescu: right after.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 431 @ 0.00114799 = 0.4948 BTC [+]
zoinky: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1588489/000158848913000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml
mircea_popescu: dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115693.msg1249126#msg1249126
zoinky: originally had 4 investors
zoinky: wonder how the next quarterly report will look
dexX7: haha nice, i think i stumbled upon this topic last year
mircea_popescu: pooled > other > not 40
dexX7: well, they are already looking for investors as it seems. i filled out the "i'm interested form" and promptly received a mail with a request for a telephone call
dexX7: Total Amount Sold $2,542,818 USD
mircea_popescu: i don't think they're doing anything bad, and heck, bitcoin can benefit from the attention of more people with financial expertise
mircea_popescu: which these guys have
mircea_popescu: so, good for them
zoinky: exactly
mircea_popescu: dexX7 that'
mircea_popescu: s as of the time of filing, and they're unlimited.
zoinky: helps break through to larger more traditional financial areas
jurov: Mpex still not working?
mircea_popescu: jurov working on it.
mircea_popescu: if you have an emergency pm
dexX7: "failing last since 2011" should be corrected then, i guess :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5005 @ 0.00080528 = 4.0304 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hey i have an emergency
kakobrekla: im out of milk.
jurov: No emergency, just am away for whole day, getting alerts, wondering wtf is happening.
jurov: Ok, checking off, later.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 haven't quite failed yet tyvm
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.peopleamazeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/PeopleAmazeMe_com-milk-sexy-babe-woman-oreo-hot-wet.jpg
mircea_popescu: just for you. i think she's slovenian.
kakobrekla: maybe, dirty enough, thats for sure.
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.81 = 3.24 BTC [+]
VanCleef: anyone into giving birth porn?
mircea_popescu: that's porn !?
asciilifeform: VanCleef: how's that work? 'see this astounding reverse penetration!' ?
pankkake: you're surprised something is porn?
VanCleef: a woman gives birth, and a guy comes in and does her
asciilifeform: VanCleef: before? after? during?
VanCleef: some real underground german shit
pankkake: or fuck the baby and the mom!
mircea_popescu: ow.
mircea_popescu: today on tap, "postpartum and parenteral gangbang, dual penetration and bukkakke. come one, come all!"
pankkake: http://headfucking.net/headfucking.mpg btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3539 @ 0.00080483 = 2.8483 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0079 = 0.1975 BTC [+]
nubbins`: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.008 = 0.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00080087 = 6.6008 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/hR77muQ
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: all ready for halloween :0
mircea_popescu: you look like a dork
nubbins`: yep
nubbins`: pascale's is way cooler
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/LuwYXfs
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: pretty cool. who's that ?
nubbins`: just some random 70's cop
mircea_popescu: ah
nubbins`: she was going for a beastie boys "sabotage" kinda look
mircea_popescu: yeah, even the tie.
nubbins`: little bit less obscure than last year's costume of the 2 characters from a short film "umshini wam"
nubbins`: which, if you're into odd things, is worth watching
nubbins`: (http://www.wefearchange.com/wp-content/uploads/dieharmony.jpg)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.86945156 = 16.5196 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5457 @ 0.00227336 = 12.4057 BTC [-] {22}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2135 @ 0.002 = 4.27 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.81100001 = 1.622 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.82 = 17.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00273609 = 2.7361 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/51afc7dbdbb57beacbbb88d88c0a8a84/tumblr_msthjhyh961rhwe3do1_400.gif
jurov: dat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.85 = 17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.87499999 = 7.875 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: nice
KRS1: Something told me to come over here and click that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.875 = 5.25 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: nubbins: oh shit ZEF style
turbo_ac100_: dieharmony.jpg That's Die Antwoord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ I didn't know there is a movie!
KRS1: My fav song/video they did is BABY'S ON FIRE. Fatty Boom Boom aint bad either
KRS1: he's good at BEAT BOX
KRS1: something is just...off...with that girl..idk wtf it is though.
turbo_ac100_: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f1KbfFdUTQ4#t=121 "If you don't like funerals don't kick sand into a ninjas' face"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00273898 = 0.1726 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 144 @ 0.00114785 = 0.1653 BTC [-]
dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=312830.msg3417014#msg3417014
ozbot: [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Labcoin Official Thread - Self-Moderated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00273896 = 0.2739 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114799 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00770005 = 0.308 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.85 = 1.7 BTC [-]
pankkake: http://c4ss.org/content/22005
ozbot: Center for a Stateless Society » Internet Security Is Our Responsibility
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0082 = 0.533 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.002555 = 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.07459999 = 0.1492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 465 @ 0.00770001 = 3.5805 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.88 = 1.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 8 @ 0.0746 = 0.5968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.88898998 = 2.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00114799 = 1.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00114799 = 1.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0746 = 0.1492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.33999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.88899 = 2.667 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.0082 = 1.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.33999999 = 1.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 293 @ 0.00273893 = 0.8025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.88899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.89000001 = 1.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00842577 = 2.5277 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.89 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2000 @ 0.00114799 = 2.296 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 871 @ 0.00114799 = 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00845 = 0.7352 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00853046 = 0.853 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [TEST] 987654321 @ 1.23456789 = 1219326311.1264 BTC
dexX7: x_x
mircea_popescu: infinite monyz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00273895 = 0.5478 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 108 @ 0.00114785 = 0.124 BTC [-]
jurov: the TEST is not in rss
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be, it just tests assbot.
jurov: will be any change required, or can i go afk?
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, go relax, by the time you're back everything should be fine.
jurov: *thumbs up*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00826198 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 295 @ 0.00273865 = 0.8079 BTC [-] {2}
skinnkavaj: (01:05:58)  -› Quit: virtuals_mr (~virtuals_@85-156-3-230.elisa-mobile.fi) (Quit: labcoin shares best xmas present ever get them at cryptostocks.com)
skinnkavaj: xD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114784 = 0.1148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0011478 = 0.1148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.97339285 = 13.6275 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00854998 = 0.2137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00854998 = 0.6754 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000168 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0027 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0746999 = 0.2988 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 89 @ 0.00114784 = 0.1022 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.995 = 1.99 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.06 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.93000006 = 1.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.938775 = 7.5102 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.93 = 2.79 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129759496251093@naggum.no.html
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