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assbot: A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4Gyyn )
shinohai: Also has been seen by outside source according to: http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47975
asciilifeform: i saw same thing when sending a lee sedol bet a few wks ago
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: except - cartel. go, make a block. ☟︎
kakobrekla: actually this somewhat fixes "bitcoin is too accessible" as the requirements to include tx in a block are having your own block producing setup
nubbins`: danielpbarron if your interest in a subject is predicated on who else is interested in it, then i have no sensible response
nubbins`: if mp no longer finds a use for btc, i'm eagerly awaiting the liquidation of all mpex assets
shinohai: Not a lord here, but I have a lot of time invested in trb and I agree with danielpbarron.
danielpbarron: it's not like the code is something wonderful to behold. The only thing it had going for it was that some important people found a use in it for a time
nubbins` is a bit surprised that more lords aren't concerned about mp's shame leading him to proposing an altcoin as the way forward
nubbins`: in fact, no rebuttal to sturles' explanation was offered -- just a lot of gnashing about "but that's crazy!"
danielpbarron: nubbins`, it looks like you're the one throwing a tantrum, and it "shouldn't work that way" is the general complaint in here against bitcoin for some time now. this event was more like the last straw kinda thing
nubbins`: you'd think it'd be a big deal
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 2 to -1 with note: tinpot dictator, throws tantrums when embarrassed. petulant and unwilling to admit error in the face of overwhelming evidence. a poor example of how a lord should behave. great for milking a few BTC from, but otherwise avoid.
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nubbins`: !rate mircea_popescu -1 tinpot dictator, throws tantrums when embarrassed. petulant and unwilling to admit error in the face of overwhelming evidence. a poor example of how a lord should behave. great for milking a few BTC from, but otherwise avoid.
nubbins`: "little tiny bugs shouldn't be able to hurt a hyooman!"
nubbins`: if that's a "theory falling apart", i'd like to see you guys take on gravity, or germ theory
trinque settles in to catch up on a weekend of l0gz
mircea_popescu: is there a good source to document how you convert from these ?
mircea_popescu: in more practical news - jurov here's one for you. https://bitbet.us/bet/1247/parties-smer-sd-and-sns-to-win-supermajority-in/ is to be resolved. problem is the res source gives vote % and not a word re seats, and the bet is re seats. ☟︎
nubbins`: if ever there was an indication that mp stopped giving a fuck about anything but spending the usd he cashed his btc out into, this is it
nubbins`: aaaand ftr i meant what i said about being relieved of duties, imagine sending a 17btc tx out into the wild and then /sending the same amount of money again from a different address/
nubbins`: seems pretty obvious that in a huge backlog of transactions, one of them is going to be the lowest priority
nubbins`: sorry guys, anyone who thinks MP's explanation makes more sense needs their head checked at a trauma hospital
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to talk to redditards i'd make a reddit account.
mircea_popescu: you'll be on my ignore list. if you actually have something to say find a lord to play telephone, but ideally spare me.
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nubbins`: bbl i need a drink
nubbins`: or, y'know, bitcoin is dead because a chinese mining cartel is selectively blocking BITBET PAYOUTS.
nubbins`: lel, "go write a theory"
mircea_popescu: there's no "logical rebuttal". you have some facts, go write a theory. maybe i'll bother reading it. seeing who it comes from, probably not. that's all.
nubbins`: do you suppose maybe there were other 0-fee high priority transactions floating around at that time? hmm? check out a graph of the mempool size
nubbins`: like talking to a bag of hammers
nubbins`: because there was a lineup for the cheap seats because of the mempool flood
nubbins`: advertising 0-fee tx's in a mempool flood is a DOS attack ☟︎
nubbins`: you're sniffing glue if you think a cartel withholding bitbet payouts is the simplest explanation
mircea_popescu: but congrats on being the nth lazy thinker who has a simple theory in his head, cut ~80% of the facts or so that fit it, and is ready to reddit about the matter.
assbot: A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1xhvU )
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47702 << FTR i thought this was obv the case << because it's neither obvious nor the case.
nubbins`: or, y'know, a cartel blowing their cover by fucking with bitbet payouts.
nubbins`: listen, i'm a high priority customer at Mr. Rooter
danielpbarron: i don't see how a "mempool flood" should effect a high priority transaction.. or was the flooder sophisticated enough to have created all the inputs long ago so that they too would be high priority?
nubbins`: a 0-fee tx during a mempool flood is like expecting to hitch a free ride from turkey to macedonia
assbot: The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYAbOv )
nubbins`: if there's only so much space in a block for 0-fee tx's, and the mempool is overflowing, obviously it's gonna take days for your 0-fee tx to get put into a block, even if everyone knows about it
danielpbarron: i guess this falls into the "well what the heck is the protocol, oh right there isn't one" category. How do you know a miner will choose a high fee tx over a high priority tx?
assbot: A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1p1xhvU )
nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47702 << FTR i thought this was obv the case upon reading the article and was baffled as to why it took so long for someone to mention.
jurov: but in the course of this, i got an idea, is there a small lisp/scheme implemented in ada?
nubbins`: "really proud of klye for [selling t-shirts calling himself a fuckup in an attempt to recoup blistering losses from an earlier scam]"
nubbins` was "ios developer" for short stint, earned a free ipad from sales of app
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TYjVgd )
ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/#comment-116719 << sig(digest, pkey). this does nothing for the transacting protocol, but ensures that the device that mined a block /also/ has the privkey for the block subsidy.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 21:38:23; nubbins`: "The KeRanger application was signed with a valid Mac app development certificate; therefore, it was able to bypass Apple’s Gatekeeper protection."
nubbins`: which prob had a developer account for pushing bespoke apps to company handsets
assbot: Polisan Boya San. ve Tic. A.S.: Private Company Information - Businessweek ... ( http://bit.ly/1TC6iUo )
nubbins`: "The KeRanger application was signed with a valid Mac app development certificate; therefore, it was able to bypass Apple’s Gatekeeper protection." ☟︎☟︎
assbot: OSX.KeRanger.A malware in 2.90? - Transmission ... ( http://bit.ly/1TC5AXa )
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assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 13:47:13; nubbins`: but this may be a failing on my part
BingoBoingo: Supposedly they are getting a 100 inches of snow soon. Can't fall into the ocean soon enough
BingoBoingo: Why be another allah snackbar weather event when one has a plague to spread is the point?
BingoBoingo: Entering into the record the end of pretending US minor socialist party is a thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the weather in b-a fixed itself, tis very pleasant, the steaks still here, by all means.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 19:15:25; BingoBoingo: brb gotta learn programmaring so can be of use when prototype emerges from a fever dream
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1424138 << yeah but learn a good programming. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:41:13; mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning.
mircea_popescu: the joke being of course that any serious designer is exactly a bee-dog.
mircea_popescu: somehow it became a term of endearment for alf and especially alfisms.
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 04:23:11; mircea_popescu: omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1424125 << bee-dog was originally a joke re very summary vision (because bees see large pixels and dogs don't see colors). see : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-02-2016#1413916 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: even usg used to have such a custom.
asciilifeform: mod6: actually i admit that ~all of us~ in same room always made me a bit uneasy.
mod6: but would be cool just to meet and get around and discuss these things infront of a blackboard or whatever.
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thestringpuller: dragon book is a hard read...
assbot: 3 results for 'beedog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beedog
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
mod6: asciilifeform: did you ever mention a de-facto ADA book?
BingoBoingo: brb gotta learn programmaring so can be of use when prototype emerges from a fever dream ☟︎
BingoBoingo: So what if it takes 5-10 years to gain mass traction as opposed to the couple hours a hardfork crisis would resolve in
mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning. ☟︎
mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin? ☟︎☟︎
assbot: A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1U4Gyyn )
BingoBoingo: BITBET NOT ALONE http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47975
shinohai: I am slowly losing any interest in Bitcoin besides a medium for buying drugs.
BingoBoingo: Seriously get a blog and practice.
punkman: /me fixed toilet float with a toothpick
mircea_popescu: not a question to be handwaved away.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 02:35:36; asciilifeform: the notion of 'trustworthiness' as a scalar is fundamental to scamatrons of all stripes.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2014 04:36:33; asciilifeform: eventually people's brains will grow and they will stop thinking of market value as a scalar.
asciilifeform: why would we imagine (aside from our newtonian tunnel vision) that it ~is~ a scalar.
mircea_popescu: not a question of ought, a question of is.
asciilifeform: we already established that ~trust~ is not, in any reasonable model, a scalar.
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asciilifeform: this is one of those things that will have to be built in a mechanical model, like maxwell's eq.
asciilifeform: but now you can. all that happens is that the matrices grow by a few bit.
mircea_popescu: try another : every morning when i wake up now, i read the log. this, i like. if i were using your coin, every morning when i woke up, i would conceivably be greeted by a list of notifications : "group X has now split. in five. would you like to name the shards or ignore the shards, for each shard ?"