asciilifeform: and certainly not for other, orthogonal (or even, possibly, contradictory!) properties such as non-leakage and non-structurization
asciilifeform: and the hashes popularly in use are optimized for strictly one thing -- (perceived!) collision resistance
asciilifeform: this is discussed publicly even less often than the pseudoscientific nonsense of block and stream ciphers, but: hashes are necessarily voodoo. elementarily, by counting argument (input:output sets are not 1:1).
asciilifeform: y'know, sappers in popular imagination (and sometimes in life) actually clear mines, but just as often simply put little flat into the earth.
asciilifeform: (proved that there necessarily exists a hash boojum , for any given scheme that includes any hash of whatever kind, that makes the algo fall down.)
asciilifeform: in exactly the way i expected it would fall down on serious examination
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit earlier thread, i found an old piece by shoup that utterly demolishes the oaep nonsense. (unfortunately pdfized, and not convertible meaningfully.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loc == revenue' is simply this century's version of chinese/su 'moar steel, revenue!'
asciilifeform: complexity -- is a cost. that it sometimes also brings something in return, is incidental.
asciilifeform: they are, to borrow from dijkstra, 'cost, not revenue, no matter how many people insist on writing them down on the wrong side of the ledger'
asciilifeform: or let's why not weigh james watt's steam engine vs modern diesel and say same thing.
asciilifeform: nobody thinks of weighing, e.g., 386 vs pentium to learn which one bangs moar for the buck
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had thread about musculature of pan troglodytes, where many fewer cells in the muscle than a man's, but he can tear the man in half. so even for an ordinary mechanical 'strength', counting mass is nonsense.
asciilifeform: we already saw this movie before, with 'deep blue'
asciilifeform: dusman!! i had nfi that this persian word, known to half the planet, made it as west as ro☟︎
asciilifeform: usg has become such a loathesome and monstrous thing, that there is no fixed set of 'enemy', every earthworm in every step of ground it steps on, becomes enemy
asciilifeform: afaik the structural diff is that usa traditionally relied on 'carrots' for the seekrit folx, more than 'sticks'
asciilifeform: (why not house'em in шарашкаs and be done with it, one might ask)
asciilifeform: quite likely there is an eight-figure golden toilet contract right at this very moment to attempt to roster, e.g., ts clearance holders who show symptoms of having used bitcoin. and the like.
asciilifeform: that is, automated probing for sudden curiosity, or evidence of ideological unreliability of whatever origin.
asciilifeform: the real megabux are, apparently, not even in 'data leakage prevention', as the earlier crackpottery is known, but in the yet (afaik) nameless ~detection of the turned~
asciilifeform: the mechanical politruk, which doesn't 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes?', and cannot be bribed, bought, needs 0 rest, can really 'plug into all of the telescreens at one time in the ministry of luvvvv', etc.
asciilifeform: dun like drinking piss? then stop being known for 'travail arabe' .
asciilifeform: this 'works' is a pestilence and is largely why clueful greybeards from the meat world , e.g., mircea_popescu , unzip and piss on programmers simply for sport☟︎
asciilifeform: you really expect real time response, what are you , a martian' or, or, or
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590218 << i cannot resist going back to this and giving it another whack of the spiked club. this variant definition of 'works', whereby things such as clim supposedly 'work', how would folks such as gabriel_laddel like if their cpu worked like this ? on and off, when weather is just right, and randomly melts on odd-numbered thursdays, and 'oh dontcha know you gotta jiggle the handle', and 'wtf did☝︎
asciilifeform: every 'security software co' in usa wants in.
asciilifeform: i dug up, last year, an inqtel-funded thing where... camera watches, it claims, for eyes of evil snowgnomes peeking at screen, etc.
asciilifeform: or whatever to call the nonsense where 'oh noez, mr.slave is flipping pages TOO FAST'
asciilifeform: or at the very least properly pwn the pnoje, it isn't as if this were especially arduous.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590209 << this sounds like a monumentally retarded idea. enemy will immediately see that you are flipping through the crapola, and 'snowden detection' is the fashionable 'must have!111' corporate idiocy. pull the NAND flash like a real man.☝︎
asciilifeform: whereas modern joints are quite reasonably tight
asciilifeform: i suspect that chemists of old days used a great bit more custom glass than today not only because borosilicate was not a thing (and so, easier to melt) but also because their ground joints sucked
asciilifeform: informally stated , it is 'spread out k bits over j bits, j>k, such that the bitness of k that can be learned from knowing any 1 bit of j is minimized, and such that knowledge of a
asciilifeform: that was actually where i stopped last time. to properly and rigorously define the problem
