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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2016#1398850 << i like this cogent version of adlai better than any other i've to date perceived! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: or at least, no obvious "gtfo flags" i immediately notice. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: did you know sciencehatesyou actually abbreviates to "shy" ? neither did i! but apparently it's what it stands for!
mircea_popescu: "I worry that support for classic has become rather wishy-washy (like with everything else in bitcoin currently). Miners need to get serious right now, no more messing around." hurr durr.
ben_vulpes: punkman: that would explain why i john kerry all over them
ben_vulpes: i'm still a dumb sucker
ben_vulpes: although i do drive-by javascript debugging pretty well
ben_vulpes: mwell i don't really 'get to' code except for tmsr any more
ben_vulpes: i am not ready for the tildenightmare
punkman: ben_vulpes: I don't lisp but thought lisp was cool enough to let you inspect everything in repl
ben_vulpes: oh man adlai i didn't even know i was looking for that
ben_vulpes: usually all i'm curious about is 'why is *that* implementation dependent?!'
ben_vulpes: however i don't see myself doing that any time soon, and sicp is...somewhat higher on the list.
adlai: re:CL, i suggest at some point taking http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2016#1382968 seriously and going over the spec cover to cover, not to grok its content, but rather - the structure ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'll take cab funpletion over dick blocks any day
ben_vulpes: adlai: a) i am annoyed that someone has coopted your 3 letters of tab completion and never says anything in here b) monthly averages and standard deviations of transaction fees as percentage of total miner subsidy would be far more informative
ben_vulpes: where can i get my hands on complete documentation for the loop macro?
punkman: I'm gonna hack on my diff implementation today, any suggestions welcome
punkman: mats: there is a SyFy thing called The Expanse nao << possibly the only SyFy show I didn't stop watching mid-episode
mats: OLPC does too, but i've mentioned that before.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395703 << so here's what my (unreleased, v2) vtron does: it grabs all patches and all sigs, merges them into an alphabetically sorted list, and then munches through that list attaching sigs whose name matches the previous patch to that patch. is this a blindingly stupid thing to do? i realize that it depends implicitly on the naming convention, but would like to hear about other unrealized ☝︎
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform ^^ i believe that i understand how vdiff works, if you'd confirm, i'd appreciate.
ben_vulpes: ^^ asciilifeform, mod6, phf, polarbeard, mircea_popescu: if any of you are willing to explain the inscrawkutable vdiff to my maleducated self i'd be much obliged
ben_vulpes: yeah i basically have nfi how vdiff is making the per-file hashes happen
ben_vulpes: (also ascii_rear i am having trouble understanding how vdiff turns $2 [which i'd expect to be the dir] into individual files for hashing and writing into the vpatch)
ben_vulpes: ascii_rear: i recall reading in the log that your vtron's implicit pressing behavior is asciibetical up to indicated head, but i'm having trouble reconciling that with other reqs i once read: that vs press longest chain, and also that vs press all usable patches. would that accurately modify to 'longest chain up to indicated head'?
ben_vulpes: perhaps though i would jump out of a plane with a mispacked parachute?
ben_vulpes: i don't see how this is anything other than busy work, if i'm to curate the patchdir for presses anyways.
mircea_popescu: and in random tardstalk craft, "Stop posting that I am a scam or it is simple I can have my lawyer visit your site and send you a size and assist letter not to be slandering."
ben_vulpes: all i care about is some warning
ben_vulpes: i count...six?
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought the referencing is easier
mircea_popescu: nah, dpeends if i load from log. webpage or from the scrollback
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's pretty flattering, in honesty. look at all the things i have time to do in a day!
mircea_popescu: shinohai <<< am I only person that thinks this is a horrible idea? << i can't discern what the idea is supposed to be. glorified vps ? 9.95 a month sorta deal.
shinohai: https://sandstorm.io/ <<< am I only person that thinks this is a horrible idea?
mats: i got the joke, yo.
mats: hay, small enough sample and i can be whatever i wanna be!
mats: i know enough physics to put my pants on in the morning
mats: i finished Leviathan Wakes, didn't get around to the others, but i will now
mats: ben_vulpes: i remember you suggested that i read 'Leviathan Wakes'
mats: and after some years, not sure when but under ten, i get 48, wtf
mats: i get 24 sick days at this new job l0l
asciilifeform: also wtf phf, every place i've ever worked will let you take whatever weeks of ~unpaid~ leave
asciilifeform: and yes, when mircea_popescu wakes up he will no doubt supply us with the mega-insight that if i have no money it is because i have no competence at anything and oughta be boiled for soap asap
phf: oh, a funny thing from last years interviews. i ask for a month vacation time (since 2 weeks is standard here, i just say 2 weeks pto and 2 weeks unpaid leave) written in the contract, so that there aren't any questions. during one interview guy was trying to convince me how that's bad for company and how it's a crazy thing to ask for, finally at the end he started complaining that he's been there for 5 years and was promissed friday
phf: at my old jobs i used to seek out talanted devs, and during weekend drinking convince them that they should go demand a raise, it worked couple of times. those who would listen will immediately start moving up the ladder, "who would've thought". some people still reach out and tell me about their salary fights in the "i tell them go fuck themselves" kind of terms. warms my heart
phf: oh i like that
phf: just my impression is that it's gotten particularly toxic. i.e. lower your rate, or we'll just go with somebody else
phf: well, i was out of the loop for couple of years, working for hsbc, and those guys don't haggle over 50k
phf: that works for all of us, i.e. my impression is that the expectation was that i would cave and take less
phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2016#1397760 << when i was interviewing last year, was straight up told by several different companies that i should adjust my rate because i won't be able to compete in the market (that's a direct quote from on of the hr people). one company we went through several phone calls where different people were telling me that the salary requirement is a bit high, but maybe we can work something out ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's 73393 of them A's, so i imagine there's some browsers out there that don't do bounds checkingproperly ?
asciilifeform: i realize that it cries against every mathematical intuition, but with correctly functioning otp, it makes not a whit of difference what your plaintext is.
mircea_popescu: cuz i don't know ~everything~, obviously.
mircea_popescu: i had no fucking idea the notion that you're supposed to debias plaintext before otping it is even controversial.
asciilifeform: as i said, writing own, brb
asciilifeform: i'ma writin' my own, brb
asciilifeform: all i see is that mircea_popescu won 32 games of coin-toss with himself.
asciilifeform: what am i looking at ?
mircea_popescu: (i used mt_rand, whatever that's worth)
asciilifeform: this is elementary, and if mircea_popescu comes back and tells us that he had been drinking, i will believe him, and happily forget the whole thing.
asciilifeform: i invite the curious log reader to play the game mircea_popescu proposed with single bits, with a friend
asciilifeform: incidentally, the main reason i'd like a referee, is so that everybody knows that my random 'pads' were generated independently of mircea_popescu's challenge strings.
punkman: I guess every other string can be all 0s
punkman: the third variant is also ok I think
mircea_popescu: wait, what 100 files. i generate 2 files.
asciilifeform: 3) i select one of these, sign, and send to jurov or kakobrekla or somebody, referee
asciilifeform: 2) i xor over each of them with 1MB from a cardano rng.
asciilifeform: i will suggest a handy recipe:
mircea_popescu: ok i guess ima have to figure out some way to hm. hey asciilifeform , how about this deal : i pay you 10 btc of my eventual winnings, should they exist, but you make the messages and show the result. i dun have a compiler ready and nfi how you generate the described messages in bash
asciilifeform: (i will happily collect the win in its stead, like that fool wanted to collect nobel for satoshi!11)
asciilifeform: so, for this variant of game, algo would be 1) mircea_popescu generates his string set, signs, deedbots; 2) i xor'em, sign, deedbot at first only the signature; 3) i post one of the xor'ed strings 4) he telepathies which one 5) i reveal my hand, which is the tarball in step 2 6) if he wins, i lose 10b, or vice-versa
asciilifeform: and i'm lazy, he will have to pad'em himself.
asciilifeform: that he gives me, and i xor over, and give back ?
punkman: I meant instead of doing 100 iterations of guess between 2 plaintexts, one iteration of guessing between 100 plaintexts
punkman: well not in kindergarten, but I did play this game on paper once
asciilifeform: the way i read it, the 'if' is whether mircea_popescu can demonstrate convincingly higher than chance guessatronics.
mircea_popescu: that i guess your message. which i suppose necessarily carries the caveat that "must not be by chance",
asciilifeform: anyway i will play if experiment is specified such that mircea_popescu has 100:1 or less odds of winning based on pure guessing ('telepathy')
mircea_popescu: mk, ima bbl see if i can hack together something that satisfies the audience theoretically.
asciilifeform: i'm not playing flippsies
asciilifeform: but why beat the horse? i'm willing to play !
asciilifeform: nope. because i read shannon.
asciilifeform: i will ~happily~ play with mircea_popescu if he insists on betting against arithmetic...
asciilifeform: if you would like to specify this game in a way that doesn't reduce to gambling on coin flips, i will play.
asciilifeform: (i.e. they are independent streams)
mircea_popescu: yeah i misstared it.
asciilifeform: i see where mircea_popescu is going
mircea_popescu: you pick one of two lengthy, structured plaintexts i provide, you encrypt them with a biasless, purely random rng, and i decide which of the two you picked.
mircea_popescu: are you paying me 10 btc if we do this experiment and i do guess it, "with telepathy, at home" ?
mircea_popescu: they aren't all equally probable if i can rely on your otp being random.
mircea_popescu: i'll find out which one, probabilistically.
mircea_popescu: if i know you will be encrypting one of shakespeare's plays, otp won't save you.
asciilifeform: ergo the linked thread, where i posit that an ideal otp is actually a physical object which brings the bits somehow into existence one at a time
asciilifeform: for education of n00bz, i will briefly elaborate here.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 01:53:21; asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp.
fluffypony: I'm basically addicted to Asphalt 8
danielpbarron: and yes asciilifeform i know what gpu is, just saying there are some fun games for touch devices
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 16:59:13; mircea_popescu: then again i suppose there's some middle aged lawyers somewhere that remember the days facebook was really cool.