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phf: "i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints." ☟︎
ben_vulpes: how this came to be i do not know
jurov: when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes
jurov: mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319
ben_vulpes: i think that i understand the windows comment now
mircea_popescu: and i really don't want any of it to survive.
ben_vulpes: i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here
mod6: Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.
mod6: I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?
ben_vulpes: i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.
mircea_popescu: i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.
ben_vulpes: i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
mircea_popescu: let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.
ben_vulpes: try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's what i said.
mod6: ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.
mod6: jurov: this is what i'm seeing on my gentoo fwiw: http://dpaste.com/37164CX.txt
mircea_popescu: i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.
mircea_popescu: and you want emacs to i dunno what ! who's keepin ya!
ben_vulpes: *i* want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box
mircea_popescu: but in this i may be wrong.
ben_vulpes: you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.
mircea_popescu: does what i and you need from a hammer also diverge ?
ben_vulpes: what you and i need from V diverge.
mircea_popescu: the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
ben_vulpes: did i say that you did?!
mircea_popescu: i never said that.
ben_vulpes: "i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?
mircea_popescu: i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ? ☝︎☝︎
jurov: mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result
mod6: if it is, then there might be some sort of issue. i'll have to dig in to that. can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?
pete_dushenski: mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)
mod6: why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!
mod6: i can't do this.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. << ok but how should this work
mod6: i hate computers. yes.
ben_vulpes: mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think
mod6: i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.
ben_vulpes: i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm
ben_vulpes: mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into
ben_vulpes: and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.
ben_vulpes: no, just that i keep seeing that error.
mod6: <+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth
ben_vulpes: and yes i have it in my keychain
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have been the case
ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified! ☟︎
asciilifeform: i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried
asciilifeform: i intended this originally
jurov: asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?
ben_vulpes: i have always said this.
phf: oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)
asciilifeform: where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?
phf: i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload
asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign
asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built
asciilifeform: i mean wut, no malleus ?
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
mod6: but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails
mod6: jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
phf: i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc
ben_vulpes: phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
phf: yeah, i agree actually ☟︎
ben_vulpes: phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs
ben_vulpes: i can close xcode
ben_vulpes: mod6: i was actually looking for tha
mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh ☟︎☟︎
jurov: yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
mod6: anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^
ben_vulpes: but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...
ben_vulpes: i'm not even talking about the incubating
ben_vulpes: subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
asciilifeform: (the nre cost is what i'm speaking of)
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387284 btw all I've read said no handicap ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
asciilifeform: nelson is an interesting case of failed inventor, i have all of his published materials here and studied very carefull
asciilifeform: i have nfi.
asciilifeform: how do i view the thing??!
mircea_popescu: that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.
asciilifeform: (b) i can see, but ph0rkatron is what if not ordered by the fuhrer?
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth