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assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:45:43; asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411859 << nope exactly what i think also. and i'm closer to the financial field than fucking hardware. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:12:28; mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ? ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
asciilifeform: i have nfi why it needed 'progress'...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: re: thread: ftr i still use my original rotor builder.
mod6: phf: yeah, i see that, ok must be fixed
mod6: dare i even ask what a package mask is?
ben_vulpes: i thought the vacation was already scheduled, hence the manic deadline pressure
mod6: what i need, is help. every day. until this is resolved.
gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there. ☟︎
mod6: well, i dunno what to say i guess.
mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing ☟︎
phf: mod6: that's not what i'm proposing
mod6: i disagree, totally, that V should contain any functionallity to validate anything outside of the V tree, contained in the patches dir.
phf: i proposed a solution to that problem. have a set of gpg commands that work with .wot. so something like vgpg verify file, will 1) tmp=mktemp -d gpgxxxx 2) gpg --homedir $tmp --import wot/*.asc 3) gpg --homedir $tmp --verify 4) rm -rf $tmp, so that no foundation operations ever work with ~/.gnupg and always work with ~/.wot
ben_vulpes: (girl hands me child, i place child on floor, "you know precisely what i do when you hand him to me, you could just save us the fifteen seconds and put him on the floor yourself")
gernika: mod6 I have that fine file in rotor :)
phf: so i tried installing parenscript it pulls in all kinds of retarded. i don't even. anaphora, named-readtables.
gernika: I have manually imported that pubkey, to no avail.
gernika: mod6 I'm stuck on the pgp issue ben_vulpes encountered. http://dpaste.com/2X6BDH8
ben_vulpes: i appreciate boring
phf: i already have jquery there because i wanted to add jumping from hunk to hunk on patch page by j/k
phf: $('#patchset-select select').on('select', function() { alert('foo') }) doesn't do what i think it should
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not quite sure what to attach and where
mod6: also, re: regrind, this is for sure: when doing this task, it forces you to read and understand the patch that needs regrinding. nothing wrong with this as far as I can tell.
phf: (i killed the js)
phf: bah, that's what i get for sprinkling some jquery on that bitch
ben_vulpes: but when i click the dropdown some js takes over and doesn't let me select anything
BingoBoingo: I dunno what insanity possessed me to order that reboot, when the same problem is why I got batteries and UPSs for local machines
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This problem happened with quantrill this week. Was unresponsive so I ordered a reboot, after reboot... holy fucksticks the disappoint.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." << The hard shutdown may have left your blockchain copy corrupted at the end. Gotta get a UPS.
mod6: something is wrong. i dont know what.
danielpbarron: oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
danielpbarron: gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory
danielpbarron: but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down
phf: i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing
danielpbarron: well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152
mod6: i dunno then.
danielpbarron: i get the same error when i do the same thing with the long key id you just showed
danielpbarron: when i try to get it, it gives the error linked above
phf: i split patches into patchsets http://btcbase.org/patches, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental (and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated for historical) to minimize confusion. there's a little menu that lets you select
hanbot: mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified! ☟︎
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410987 << me too. and i get a weird error when trying to get his key >> http://danielpbarron.com/59C36319.txt ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i will be off to do things with slutty girls now, bbl.
mod6: i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
mircea_popescu: i rest my case.
jurov: the v theory is fine, but in practice i'm afrain it will drive everyone attempting it insane
mircea_popescu: well i can't fucking find it.
mircea_popescu: and the one in the middle is all like "Shit, i really got the worst boobjob in the world"
asciilifeform: i don't recall this
mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal
asciilifeform: but perhaps i was thinking of pollack
mircea_popescu: i dun think you're familiar with the fellow ?
mircea_popescu: this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
asciilifeform: overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.
asciilifeform: i burn in this hell because too weak to escape it, and ergo it is the correct place.
mircea_popescu: i don't actually believe so.
asciilifeform: and yes, i am.
asciilifeform: i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
mircea_popescu: i do not want it finished otherwise, at all.
mircea_popescu: if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
mircea_popescu: i do want it to be finished.
mircea_popescu: i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.
asciilifeform: i am reminded of the german fella who proclaimed 'the tank will be 200 tonnes and fuck you'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
mircea_popescu: "why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"
mircea_popescu: but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
asciilifeform: i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.
asciilifeform: i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
mircea_popescu: i am but i dun follow.
asciilifeform: but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.
asciilifeform: but i see what he wants in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411191 say. ☝︎
asciilifeform: now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'
asciilifeform: so i reread the mega-thread,
phf: i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?
phf: i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge." ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?
asciilifeform: i see no evidence for this.
mircea_popescu: and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn
ben_vulpes: but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol no i do not
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch
mircea_popescu: i dun get what you mean asciilifeform
phf: ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?
mircea_popescu: if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!
asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.
asciilifeform: and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.
mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along ☝︎
BingoBoingo: I dunno.
mircea_popescu: i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.