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BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/Moidh5E.jpg ☟︎

pete_dushenski: aha. parents' penthouse has no heating, just waste heat from 19 stories underneath. this is 'innovative' in the usual soviet sense i guess.

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:18:55; mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!"

mod6: I'm kinda torn, I want us to move forward with 'g', so Cramer-Shoup fits the bill for sure. On the other hand, I'd like to think that over a long interval we might see some interesting submissions eventually.

mircea_popescu: the idea being that i announced a contest, haven't seen much in the way of submissions, ima award the 10 btc prize to alf for an implementation of a c-s derivative. ☟︎

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ? << In relation to the contest? I'm good with Cramer-Shoup.

mircea_popescu: hey DreadKnight am i gonna see you in eulora at some point ?

BingoBoingo: Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk ☟︎

asciilifeform: i say this as statement of (afaik) fact, not judgement.

mircea_popescu: and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title

mircea_popescu: yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect.

asciilifeform: but i will say, if mircea_popescu laughs at the condo title owner, who doesn't have right to demolish the walls or drill through the floor, how is this situation any different from the rancher who does not own the oil ?

asciilifeform: (i know of no country where it does)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like it is what i said earlier

asciilifeform: 'i want to farm.' 'sorry no pigs allowed in this town'

mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall".

mircea_popescu: this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building.

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414578 << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i believe it.

mircea_popescu: actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch.

mircea_popescu: i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50.

asciilifeform: i realized that i have mostly nfi.

mircea_popescu: i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit.

asciilifeform: where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting

asciilifeform: am i missing some context here or what

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ?

asciilifeform: i think my screenshit explains ?

mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems

asciilifeform: l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here.

mircea_popescu: they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl)

mircea_popescu: i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control.

mircea_popescu: but they do. i know this for a fact.

mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

mircea_popescu: doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins."

asciilifeform: it shat out a great deal more of this, but i will not waste anybody's time with it.

asciilifeform: and so i feed it a (cleaned-up) mpi

asciilifeform: i tried a commercial code walker thing, https://scitools.com

trinque: mircea_popescu: I've not seen it addressed better than your from causes vs towards purpose

trinque: not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing

trinque: this notion of "if I were someone else" is exactly what I was addressing with "both you and he will die someday" ftr

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however.

asciilifeform: but if i devise a means of being other people, i promise to tell him how it went.

asciilifeform: i've never actually been other people, and so cannot satisfactorily answer mircea_popescu.

asciilifeform: all i can reveal is my strong intuition, like the feeling you have when you see a door that there is a volume behind it.

asciilifeform: i do not know how to actually carry out this experiment.

asciilifeform: i have nfi. catch one and force it to be me for a spell then ask.

mircea_popescu: what am i doing here, doing or teaching ?

asciilifeform: i have never in entire life, since i can remember myself at 2 y.o., not been convinced that being other people isn't considerably more fun than being self.

asciilifeform: trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason

trinque: I find it far more likely that such a bent mind blows through whatever pile he amasses because he's as dishonest inwardly as outwardly

mircea_popescu: i doubt it'd help ya.

trinque: I would like to hear an example of a scammer that was capable of holding onto capital.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd conceivably walk around an epsilon less depressed if i learned that muppets have to do their muppetry in spare hours on the train, rather than relaxing in hammocks work-free. but nfi.

asciilifeform: but i did not for a moment think that the muppets 'run the show'

mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? )

mircea_popescu: i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff.

mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ?

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg

mircea_popescu: i dunno man. what scam what what ? wut ?

asciilifeform: i also do not have the unreasonable expectation of being told.

asciilifeform: as in, i stepped on one today, and did not first tell it 'you were a worm'

asciilifeform: i think worms die ignorant.

asciilifeform: i'm simply not entirely convinced that i am not similarly a worm

asciilifeform: i see mircea_popescu's argument, that man cannot compare himself with worm, it operates on null pointer

asciilifeform: in his position, i certainly would not work. (in the sense of showing up to some salt mine, for wages)

asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg ☟︎

asciilifeform: hm i think i got disconnected

mircea_popescu: that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms.

asciilifeform: for all i know, he spends 100% of his waking hours playing 'doom'.

mircea_popescu: programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley.

asciilifeform: but maybe i shouldn't expect to

asciilifeform: i dun get it

pete_dushenski: i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em

pete_dushenski: mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation !

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already.

asciilifeform: but yes, i get the 'nacht und nebel' thing mircea_popescu is trying to set up

asciilifeform: i suppose our conversations re: it taking forever to get a high-S tx into a block could've been smokescreen, aha.

mircea_popescu: it is mine, and i'm taking it back. all of it.

mircea_popescu: i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office.

phf: i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post.

mircea_popescu: the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know.

mircea_popescu: for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed.

mircea_popescu: i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these.

mircea_popescu: phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision.

phf: a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions

mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE. ☟︎☟︎

phf: l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc.

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes

pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414273 << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already. ☝︎☟︎

assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 13:37:41; asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents

phf: i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant?

asciilifeform: i can see it.

mircea_popescu: i dunno, man. if a guy makes a shitty camp during indian assault, it's one thing.

mircea_popescu: kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb.

asciilifeform: (i've been using the term to refer to all heathen bitcoin clients, at least those descended from s's original)