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asciilifeform: which is why we're here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck
asciilifeform: evenin,mod6!
asciilifeform: winter with the goats.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez.
asciilifeform: because there is this thing called winter.
asciilifeform: we're talking bodies-per-square-metre-of-indoors.
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares 'per area' of forest
asciilifeform: sit 'round smoky fire all winter long in windowless hell, you, mother-in-law, and the livestock.
asciilifeform: ah i oughta add that he was praising the traditional ru peasant hut. crowded lowtech.
asciilifeform: why not then put them in mass grave, even fewer resources.
asciilifeform: 'potential' to 'use fewer resources'
asciilifeform: iirc it was re 'potential' to exist in crowded, low-tech hovels without complaint, or the like
asciilifeform: 'and larger fleas, to go on !'
asciilifeform: and who knows, even that, possible.
asciilifeform: something 'wasted potential for carrying parasite load' something
asciilifeform: yes, fleas.
asciilifeform: he devotes page+ to how important it is that people carry fleas again. and how important to bring back shamanic medicines 'in time for inevitable disappearance of pharma industry'. i'd quite like to begin with orlov, and his wife, son
asciilifeform: fwiw i think he enjoys playing the circle of idiots he 'works' in meatspace. (the funkenstein_ types).
asciilifeform: because mother gaia cries.
asciilifeform: aha. cast out them devils. but also don't forget to cast out the pennies in yer pockets, your reactors, diesel engines, and give'em all to $huckster.
asciilifeform: (it contained the familiar ~deliberate~, not at all a result of intellectual sloppiness, conflation, of 'genetically modified' and 'monsanto')
asciilifeform: i will omit the 'genetically modified evils' chapter, to preserve appetites
asciilifeform: the nyt-made alt-stalin. but approx., yes.
asciilifeform: turner's thing.
asciilifeform: orlov is a (sometimes entertaining) stooge, but not of moscow. of 'agenda 21' or whatever it is called now.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: fission, however, is easily 10,001 yrs +ev if you kill the orlovs and the soroses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no +ev controlled fusion had ever been discovered, or even proposed on any kind of logical foundation, afaik.
asciilifeform: folx from whom 'the sense of being stolen from was stolen', develop these peculiar leprosies
asciilifeform: but he carries on in this project to convince audience, by lying through omission, that no such thing was ever invented
asciilifeform: and, somehow half-admitting that this is crock of shit, proceeds to factor in 1,001-year waste storage cost as constant! also! as if killing bureaucrats has to be expensive (use barges with drowning-hatches, say) and for fuck's sake breeder reactor.
asciilifeform: he devotes, for instance, entire chapter to defending 'fission power is -ev' by... guess... counting 'regulatory cost' as a constant! as if it were fact of nature
asciilifeform: (the organized-deindustrialization thread)
asciilifeform: ah but this type is quite certainly organized.
asciilifeform: i'm considerably more immediately allergic to his strange cocktail of 'noble savage' luddism, enviro-whinerism
asciilifeform: and yes, brzezinski et al
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: gladio?!
asciilifeform: (incidentally in ru net it is not uncommon to meet with derisive reference to american soldier, 'jedi')
asciilifeform: oh, yes, not at all for 'masss', for mass -- 'terminator', 'star wars'.
asciilifeform: and maybe 1 or 2 about peter and how he liked to chop heads.
asciilifeform: it is interesting, more so they made it for ~themselves~ than even for the orcs. you go to a 'hip' washington b00kstore, and 'russia' section, 100% gulag, with a few ivan iv.
asciilifeform: 'we, people of mcdonalds, blue jeans, and 'terminator', shall teach you, gulag monkeys, how to live'
asciilifeform: it was ~all 'gulag gulag gulag and oh hey didjaknow gulag?'
asciilifeform: naaaah
asciilifeform: it has ~same flavour as various material intended for ru orc export in '90s and now, yes
asciilifeform: aha, the voice synth thread
asciilifeform: nao i'm really curious. how, for instance, does one make, e.g., an arithmetic, with 'neutered power element' but still in some sense 'knowledge' ?
asciilifeform: but i'd like to know how.
asciilifeform: 'soros' half-gives it away
asciilifeform: actually that was my primary interest in linked piece. ~which strain!~
asciilifeform: watching glue dry is better nao.
asciilifeform: eal work (the servo engine), and meets the necessary criteria of being a strongly-typed, non-GC’d, safe, bit-level language that supports generic programming.'
asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r ☟︎
asciilifeform: elsewhere, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7294 << shitlang lulz ( via jurov )
asciilifeform: nce every few days, to ask the family he had once provided for : “Bread ? Is there bread ?”'
asciilifeform: e bed and collapsed. This former interbellic country gentleman – vineyard owner and horse breeder in the foothills of the Leaota Mountain, denounced by a friend, arrested and beaten by the Securitate in the time of Dej because he had hidden some “cockerels” – had now exhausted all his energy for the sake of a bit of meat on the bone. Later, struck down with sclerosis and bedridden with semi‑paralysis, he was to come round o
asciilifeform: 'In one queue (assembled by the well known false alarm of “the meat lorry is coming,” which used to bring people out from all over the place, causing them scurry about like ants), my seventy‑five year‑old grandfather stood for twelve hours : on the street corner from six in the morning until six in the evening. When he got home, with an empty bag (that day, the lorry had not turned up), he started to feel unwell, leaned on th
asciilifeform somehow happened upon http://www.romanianwriters.ro/book.php?id=14
asciilifeform: and iirc rome got one for ~same reason.
asciilifeform: rome -- 1st.
asciilifeform: def. not first!
asciilifeform: he limit, apparently )
asciilifeform: ( re 'public good', the removal of the 'great stink' from 1850s london, by the construction of the -- very costly -- sewer system, finest at the time in the world, is imho instructive. they DID first try every possible method of 'eliminate the problem strictly for mircea_popescu !' -- parliament soaked curtains in lime, folx walked around with cloth masks, etc. but eventually queen barfed when sailing in pleasure boat, and that was t
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't seem like a notion in particularly dire need of disproof tho. just as 'why bricks cannot birth rats'
asciilifeform: if it will happen just the same if not paid for , then does not match condition 'must be paid for'
asciilifeform: i did mention 'but still has to be paid for'
asciilifeform: why?
asciilifeform: so these are not 'public goods' as contemplated here.
asciilifeform: just as you also do not have to pay for arithmetic to work.
asciilifeform: sunlight is ~the~ good but also not problematic, because it dun give a fuck whether anyone asked for it or not, and there is no credit card slot to pay into for it.
asciilifeform: forum! another publicgood.
asciilifeform: just -- not yet.
asciilifeform: and sooner or later the other africa also will.
asciilifeform: iirc africa presently works like this.
asciilifeform: sorta like how monkey troopy divvy up the jungle, neh
asciilifeform: if you can properly and surgically cut it, and sell piecemeal, then it is not 'public good' but normal workaday commercial good.
asciilifeform: well you can't , afaik, set up world where the payers get to live obummer-free but the cheapskates get another 8 yrs of him.
asciilifeform: clean street, or dead politicians, etc. remain 'working' for the nonpaying folx.
asciilifeform: it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of.
asciilifeform: if shit could talk, it probably would not want to be flushed either.
asciilifeform: noshit.
asciilifeform: large, small.
asciilifeform: any rabid weasel works equally well for this one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shooting thieves in the street, or rabid weasels, etc. definitely 'public good' -- they remain dead for all the misers who hadn't paid for exterminator service aha
asciilifeform: this is somewhat arcane and my gas mask is clogged, can haz expanded ver plz.
asciilifeform: not quite what i had in mind, no.
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'bullets will fly but whether you paid determines the direction' ?
asciilifeform: perhaps: item that is impractical to withhold from freeloaders, but nevertheless must be paid for.
asciilifeform: on short notice.
asciilifeform: and yes it is a somewhat promisetronic thing. no need even to go as far as bank. go an' see what happens if you want 1000 amps from your mains connection.
asciilifeform: qs is exactly what i was thinking! ty mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: we do not however have an infinite of brain cycles. hence banishments of low snr folk etc
asciilifeform: only if you have a miniature black hole, with endless appetite, in your city.
asciilifeform: said 'ad libitum', i.e. not individually+transactionally dispensed
asciilifeform: when'd i say 'endless'
asciilifeform: will tell me that rome's aqueduct was not 'public service' ? is 'public service' only idiot traffic cop ?
asciilifeform: or the water.
asciilifeform: what's the sewer then