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mircea_popescu: now THAT easy-seeking habituation is what the hot irons are used for.
mircea_popescu: and no, i have no argument - it is EASIER to think of yourself as "i am good at x" raqther than "brain works or doesn't work."
mircea_popescu: of course, this was in a time of general conscription and so forth. obviously things have changed - it is easier after all.
mircea_popescu: the "nfl picks" usian system seemed very alien, and quite frankly wasteful, to the general mind. "americans will never amount to anything in sports" therefore.
mircea_popescu: there was entirely no "picking" in romania, the romania that produced the first full 10 olympic gymnasts. hundreds of thousands of kids ran into thousands of pe teachers who very pointedly "body works to it - now make it work to jump!"
mircea_popescu: laugh, but they very pointedly picked former approach.
mircea_popescu: "this cpu could do anything" "i don't see your sql server doing any dos emulation work" "nigga... wut ?!"
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see meat airplane borne out of the soviet maternity circuit. this proves something ?
mircea_popescu: there's no "good at math" anymore than there is "white dicks cunt"
mircea_popescu: either your brain works or doesn't. if it does, you can use it for all brain things, much like either your cunt works or doesn't, and if it does it does for all dicks.
mircea_popescu: and i am entirely unconvinced by this "good at x" bs. nobody's "good at x". the "good at x" is nonsense of the ilk and period of "blind love", to try and help the wedge of who-equivalency into the trunk of reality.
mircea_popescu: still, the question was "how who" not "how non-who". that your milk contains fat and water is not a valid objection to "how do you get fat from the cow ?" "you milk it"
mircea_popescu: eulora, with its steep learning curve and well engineered intake manifolds is actually a muchly improved bitcoin from THIS perspective.
mircea_popescu: (arguably this is also in the past - not like i'm actually forbidding redditards to reddit, even as i am squeezing the cream from the thing)
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to forbid modernism. they who wish to feel equal will have a place where this is how things works.
mircea_popescu: (o look! the separation of the fat from the water in the sense of leaving the who-equivalent modernists behind in the gutter is actually quite the viscerally ferocious thing!)
mircea_popescu: which reduces to and is in fact equivalent with the "no economic future for average human" above, and with the "there's nothing one can do on the simple basis of being one" even further above.
mircea_popescu: the WHO is the major consideration ; the what is relatively equivalent.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the original point was how the environment changed, and modernism is strictly no longer possible because exogenous reasons, not opened to consensusing electoralizing etc.
mircea_popescu: once that becomes old, they'll become dead, in a very starved and cold sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: for as long as we still feel like entertaining ourselves by providing them with food and board, the derpage will last. and they'll "put women back into history at the call of bbc wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: there's no economic future for the average human, quite literally.
mircea_popescu: sure, but tell you what : the headaches of managing herd would be a lot closer in your mind had you i dunno, been a mcdonalds manager in your late teens.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many longshoremen work for amazon ? o wait ... the name is entirely antiquated.
mircea_popescu: yes, there isn't a beep-boop thing going around your livingroom. but it might as well be - the warehouse is entirely robotized ; the production line mostly ; etcetera. even driving is going away.
mircea_popescu: it's what it is, out of the final table in the latter case about 2/3 is robot work.
mircea_popescu: heh. laugh all you want, and take refuge in 1970s artworks if you will - but the fact remains that if you buy planks you buy planks but if you buy ikea you buy robotized planks.
mircea_popescu: ie - the visually driven notion of "robot" as "anthropomorphised tuna can" is not particularly useful in a discussion of economics and robots.
mircea_popescu: "robots" does not strictly mean r2d2. entirely automated process chain is also a robot in this sense, even if perhaps a meta-robot for they preoccupied with the physicality of things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, plumbing mostly comes as part of the prefab components of construction nowadays. is not separate thing.
mircea_popescu: you are aware "car fixing" ie, "that is my idea of heaven - a bucket o' grease and a cracked cylinder" now consists of sticking probes in dataports ?
mircea_popescu: dat old ecosystem drives itself by supporting its niches and denying competing niches thing.
mircea_popescu: amusingly - i used to call plumbers in places where plumbing had been laid by hand. but in places where plumbing laid by robot - no need so far.
mircea_popescu: this is how eg construction yards used to work, for milennia. not anymore, for decades now.
mircea_popescu: with the exception of tmsr, there is NO PLACE in this world which sticks to the modern tradition of, "random bozo walks in, is given a job"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ; because modernism hadn't ended yet. but the chick herself - if she weren't twerking she'd be on reddit . there is literally NOTHING for her to do.
mircea_popescu: (kinda yet another angle of why the great again is so lulzy - what, economic trends will reverse by election ?)
mircea_popescu: the welfarization creates nothing. it is the maggot on the corpse of postmodern industry.
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might've talked to more industrial robots folks than you have over our respective careers, but be that as it may, the trend is towards not away job destruction.
mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product, this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are the equivalent of a "well behaved wife". tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the Floating Littoral Embarassment is very much the symbolic product of "technology by modernist means in postmodernist times"
mircea_popescu: and not just in github, it results in 5bn for BART's 16 track miles and in 12mn/year for 1bn database for microsoft.
mircea_popescu: back in 1616 there was a "do something - anything". today that results in github.
mircea_popescu: except there is no "work" in the abstract, as a byproduct of anti-idlehandsaredevilswork. not anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iron age is ~norman conquest. industrial age is a different thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pygmystan is not actually a culture ; stone age tribes don't get names.
mircea_popescu: the belgian woman from before. "blind" as in, no who just what. a modernist unicorn.
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english modernism is "blind love", which, if you'll notice, is at the time of its introduction a very cheap trick very much in the manner of protestantism ; and also a mythical beast :
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english feudalism is a sword that cared.
mircea_popescu: and this is what all the unicode wastage is : they, the lost souls of a dead world, are trying to make computers more like cotton ginnies. more inclusive, more capable to work with a modernist perspective, where who dun matter and what is considered.
mircea_popescu: whereas most computing jobs require identity in terms entirely impossible in the brief modernist interlude. what cares the cotton ginny whether you are white or black skinned ?
mircea_popescu: most computing jobs are unspecifiable in the terms most industrial jobs of the brief modernist interlude were specifiable.
mircea_popescu: in short, in the entirety of the observable universe, we are reverting to traditionalist systems, approaches and altogether a reality.
mircea_popescu: see, when I hire diana_coman to do dev work for eulora, OF FUCKING COURSE she gets to redefine the job on the basis of the title. because before she got it she hadn't seen the code, and after she had, for instance. or for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: aha. HOWEVER - which is why i bring all this up - the reversal is fucking evident here too.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why simple minded folks in third countries such as argentina etc display the strange behaviour where they don't wish to actually work, first discussed in the article about whores
mircea_popescu: nce he gets it, once he IS the job title, then of course he finds himself in a more elevated position, which should mean by his logic that he gets to renegotiate and eliminate some of the burdens.
mircea_popescu: getting back to the modern/traditional thing : there's a very visible and practically relevant distinction in trade. when i hire a modernist, i hire him to do a job, and i expect him to do a job. but when i hire a traditionalist, i am essentially assigning office. and as it is LOGICAL in that context, he may agree to any "job" specification ie burdens on the title before he gets it, while all he IS is humble applicant ; but o
mircea_popescu: no, my idea simply was "explore all the trees for my convenience".
mircea_popescu: just because i can't keep up with the horse doesn't mean it won't get its exercise. we have mechanics!
mircea_popescu frequently requires better go players to play very fast and train for it in advance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i give you a lined mat and a pile of all black tiles you thereby "still have a game of go" ?
mircea_popescu: hence the "useful evil minister" strategy deployed in england and france as well as everywhere else - get the guy to do things then behead him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're only semantic games to you ; for they to be games they need the optionality.
mircea_popescu: similar to the whole "mandate ofheaven" chinese thing - IS he or ISN'T he the "one true emperor" ; whether his being anything in particular matters with regards to "his job" ie, what he has to do is not discussed. even the notion that emperorhood is a job is nonsensical in context.
mircea_popescu: and the fake ivans etc are not exactly attacks on the tsar ; they're just a discussion of identity , not actually a modernisation proposal.
mircea_popescu: phf you did ; nevertheless - in the case of those runaways who were discovered in the 60s after however many centuries of absence, what figured greatly was that a) the tsar is good and b) that woe on random anon merchant for refusing to donate a quarter ton of potatoes to the cause.
mircea_popescu: this "what care i" is very much a proposal to modulate behaviour ; whereas this active diatesis is not there contemplated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. ru peasant aslo thought emperor is good ; and right here.
mircea_popescu: socialist] state as a persuasive and credible justification for the need to rebalance administratively imbalances induced administratively. same exact problems psychology resolves."