asciilifeform: https://archive.is/aU43f << in other lelz

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: zoolag

asciilifeform: much moar interestingly, https://archive.is/Ut2ya >> 'A former Notre Dame College student photographer who stole 656 pair of women's underwear from fellow students, including athletes he photographed, was sentenced to spend 10 days in Cuyahoga County Jail.'

asciilifeform: '1:09 p.m.: The Whlte House climate change page is gone.'

asciilifeform: tear gas, burning car(s), in washington

asciilifeform: can't help but think of http://trilema.com/2016/xkcd

asciilifeform: btw phf ? a111 down ?

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: didjaknow.

asciilifeform: e assured restaurant owners that they would be well within their rights to “choose not to serve neo-Nazis” or the racist “alt-right” group that seeks a white-only state because they are not political parties with registered voters.'

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/euCva << 'The DC Human Rights Act makes it illegal to discriminate against more groups than are protected under federal law. Protected classes in Washington include not only race, religion and sex, but political affiliation as well. “Right off the bat people are asking if we deny the so-called 'alt-right,' and they are held out to be Trump supporters, are we denying based on political affiliation?” Rome said. H

asciilifeform: in other lulz,

asciilifeform: !!up Alicia1992

asciilifeform: davout: what's a paypig

asciilifeform: '...washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth... the factories closed... the establishment protected itself...'

asciilifeform: liftoff.

asciilifeform: 5...4...3...

asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu if a prime q is found and m/q == p, and p is prime, p is listed as factor.

asciilifeform: lol mr t must have toothache or sumthing

asciilifeform: debian

asciilifeform: noshit.jpg

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/skSk9 << 'protest'

asciilifeform: in /dev/null since 2011 or so

asciilifeform: 'blacklivesmatter shuts down entrance to inauguration'

asciilifeform: pretty strange, the official camera blurred out the nametags of the guards

asciilifeform: herr tritler in 3, 2, 1...

asciilifeform: i bet soros is smoking 4 cigars , through converter, on a mig right nao.

asciilifeform: (protest derpery, etc)

asciilifeform: and it happens on just about any occasion with mass pedestrian traffic on road

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: normally they use buses

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it

asciilifeform: re earlier thread, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/urscheme/ << somewhat interesting

asciilifeform: 100k ln.

asciilifeform: 100K

asciilifeform: or hm

asciilifeform: phf: scheme48 1.9.2 is >300,000 line of c!

asciilifeform: so, if it's an x86 box, this means that no opcode executes on it, from cradle to grave, that didn't come out of (hypothetical) compiler with mandatory bounds/type checks.

asciilifeform: mod6: i can't speak for others, but i specifically am interested in a ~0-c~ box.

asciilifeform: megaturd of c crapolade.

asciilifeform: phf: you could, but it would be terrible

asciilifeform: mod6: theoretically. but, as phf observed earlier in this thread, certain entirely necessary things are impractical to retrofit to it (e.g., bignum)

asciilifeform: without megatonne of 'libraries' that make the overall mass of the system quickly approach and exceed that of cl

asciilifeform: mod6: scheme is neat on paper (~50 pg. exhaustive spec! at least before the poetterings got to it in rev. 6) but you will find that it is ~impossible to program in the language that appears in that document

asciilifeform: *fart

asciilifeform: (nor does the old far necessarily deserve anything else)

asciilifeform: defective in all kinds of ways but it isn't as if another is to be had.

asciilifeform: to asciilifeform commonlisp is rather like i imagine an old, nagging wife is for old man

asciilifeform: but you can ask specific people.

asciilifeform: mod6: i have nfi what 'general feeling' would mean, there is no homogeneous writhing mass here

asciilifeform: mod6: it was from early literature, and from dark ages machines with no shift key. and so folx who learn of the existence of lisp from encyclopaedia in school, tend to LISP

asciilifeform: mod6: nah

asciilifeform: (which, to nitpick, has selectable scope. but defaults to static)

asciilifeform: phf: to be fair, the main (other than lisp1-ness) semantic diff b/w scheme and lisp1.5 was static scope. which made its way into cl.

asciilifeform: capitalized LISP

asciilifeform: nono

asciilifeform: ftr phf is the one and only serious lisp d00d i ever ran across who capitalized.

asciilifeform: (there are many different lisps, starting from the 1958 one)

asciilifeform: common lisp specifically

asciilifeform: mod6: likewise, there are cltrons (e.g., sbcl) that -- at least in theory -- can compile selves to x86

asciilifeform: (ideally scheme-on-iron would be a very few kb of heavily-massaged asm)

asciilifeform: and conceivably one could hand-compile tinyscheme.

asciilifeform: not, e.g., 'dream'

asciilifeform: given as it only runs on unixlikes. (and is a massive pig)

asciilifeform: gotta ditch gcc.

asciilifeform: the c?

asciilifeform: lol holyshit sbcl is still on soresforge?!!!

asciilifeform: also the thing is chock-full of os-specific conditionals

asciilifeform: now, it isn't as if i had a better cltron to offer.

asciilifeform: makes trb look good.

asciilifeform: (things that are there to work around $bug, which in turn stems from workaround of $bug2, etc)

asciilifeform: phf: i've spent last hr or so reading cmucl code, more or less at random, and am struck by the sheer proportion of scar tissue

asciilifeform implodes.

asciilifeform: (why did he need a whole forth?! why not just a few 100 ln of asm)

asciilifeform: that'd be problem.

asciilifeform: what next? solidol ?

asciilifeform: ew

asciilifeform: eq

asciilifeform: can be!

asciilifeform: 'meat' in asciilifeform's shorthand is simply any nonmaskable interrupt from meatspace.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-20#1605492 << as (perhaps folx suspected) -- 'meat' is not necessarily to eat. ☝︎

asciilifeform: neato danielpbarron .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i ~did~ wonder what he wanted with that crate.

asciilifeform bbl -- meat

asciilifeform: poor sad nonvtronic patch. go and try to find WHAT he patched.

asciilifeform: jurov: i am interested strictly in the record re the relevant bits.

asciilifeform: jurov: they may also have gone to the bottle, for all i care

asciilifeform: ~somebody~ has to have 1) attempted this 2) not burned all of his work in fireplace in disillusioned despair

asciilifeform: phf: this is theoretically solvable. but it's a c proggy.

asciilifeform: see above. it needs gcc.

asciilifeform: but is unsuitable for different reason (it has no compiler, is a c proggy, cannot compile self)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact, tinyscheme does.

asciilifeform: you can do actual work this way.

asciilifeform: boot sector loads a few 100 kB of hand-rolled code, and talks solely via uart.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it exists, i have run number crunching routines this way.

asciilifeform: theoretically you can, e.g., host www on just an uart. ☟︎

asciilifeform: (quite enough for a forth, say.)

asciilifeform: it's enough to operate a very basic comp.

asciilifeform: octet from/to uart.

asciilifeform: you can lose dma if you're willing to lose nic and video.