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asciilifeform: PeterL: what, i am curious, would you have done ?

nubbins`: asciilifeform if i send $7,000 cash in the mail, i don't let the post office choose the delivery standard

nubbins`: PeterL i don't think you understand how this place works

nubbins`: PeterL i think it's fairly obvious that customer payouts are zero priority, given the 0-fee payout attempt followed by a payout embargo

dooglus: I suspect that's the client's fault - used to be that high-priority inputs meant you didn't need a fee

nubbins`: hey, i bet and have a node too

PeterL: <mircea_popescu> by this measure, there's a large overlap between all sorts of things. maybe there is, sure. << it only takes one, and I bet and have a node, therefore it might have been me too

nubbins`: dooglus in the absence of proof, i'd assume that they were sent to the same nodes

dooglus: "bettor" could be replaced by "anyone who wants to fuck MP over" I guess if you want to increase the probability somewhat

nubbins`: dooglus i've been saying this since the first minute, but he just won't listen

mircea_popescu: i thought i had, yes.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it does not tell everyone what "i think", it tells everyone what i saw.

assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:24:11; mircea_popescu: but in any case, there is a substantial difference between "i think X on the basis of my personal experience" and "mp said x on the basis of bitbet experience as documented on qntra". exactly of the sort and caliber as the difference between "i think there exist alien" and "here's pictures of man walking on the moon", in fact.

kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: i looked into whatever i looked sufficient to satisfy myself.

nubbins`: and you wonder why i have zero interest in "doing up a blog post" or whatever masturbatory navel-gazing bullshit is somehow better than explaining it real-time

mircea_popescu: with any luck it'll be something like "miner cartel, what a ridiculous idea - not like the anon derps involved are a) known to be idiots and b) have certain incentive do do exactly this! moreover, the much simpler explanation is that... uh... uh... mp conspiracy! and scam! and fraud! and he doesn't care about bitcoin! and i'm an idiot that'll show him!!11"

nubbins`: PeterL i think he's hinting that text is too hard and he needs an infographic

asciilifeform: i have nfi. i'm not even on the sub.

nubbins`: i wouldn't put too much weight behind mp's bitbet experience

mircea_popescu: but in any case, there is a substantial difference between "i think X on the basis of my personal experience" and "mp said x on the basis of bitbet experience as documented on qntra". exactly of the sort and caliber as the difference between "i think there exist alien" and "here's pictures of man walking on the moon", in fact. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought this was quite apparent long ago

mircea_popescu: initially i thought that "nodes" is a meaningful term, but what i see now is a large ball of node with a bunch of sattelites that have ~ no importance flattering themselves into thinking they're part of a network.

asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu said 'miners' i assumed he had intelligence pointing in that direction.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho the relevant bit here is that we (at least i) do not know ~who~ withheld it, and then exhumed and transmitted it, and why

PeterL: nubbins` I guess bitbet is not keeping a 100% reserve of bets now?

dooglus: I expect so. I was also trying to find the 16% referenced in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421022 ☝︎

asciilifeform: from the sturles thread, i learned that most idiot nodes are set up to ignore what they think is 'double spend' on purely chronological what-i-saw-first grounds. and mircea_popescu was mighty pissed, and i also (to me, this was new, i do not habitually track prbism)

mircea_popescu: but the somewhere'd be prolly qntra i'd guess.

dooglus: I'm new to this whole bitbet payout mess, but read somewhere that the 'B' transaction was made after receiving advice to do so. Who advised it, and why?

nubbins`: although i guess if s.bbet can break its listing agreement with impunity, it can also stop providing signed financial statements to MPEx with impunity

nubbins`: asciilifeform kakobrekla is probably wondering what the future holds for him, as he is currently being forced to decide between PGP signing a fraudulent financial statement or losing his livelihood. i envy him not.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way it worked, from the beginning, was that he did the site and i did admin and payouts. ☟︎

asciilifeform: where is kakobrekla ? i thought he was ceo of bbet ?

mircea_popescu: by all means. hence, " and if there's a single icann in the lot with enough actual gumption to put together a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it." ☟︎

gribble: don't like fraud? shut the fuck up or i'll vastly inflate expenses

nubbins`: ;;echo don't like fraud? shut the fuck up or i'll vastly inflate expenses

mircea_popescu: and i suppose i'm going to have my own legit complaints about how much this thing costs to run, and start billing by the hour, and in fiat, and the legit complainers can run off to the bank with their bitcoin and pay, or somesuch nonsense.

mircea_popescu: gumption to put together a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it.

asciilifeform: i'm wondering if mircea_popescu is not in a position similar to the familiar murder mystery detective, where he ~knows~ that dr. evil did the deed, but cannot prove.

PeterL: for the record, I agree with nubbins` about bitbet transction

asciilifeform: nubbins`: imho the shareholders have a legit complaint re: the reactor test, and ought to be told why/what/etc. but i'm not a s.bbet shareholder, and nobody asked me (tm) etc.

mircea_popescu: i meant it figuratively!

asciilifeform: i created it for this test.

asciilifeform: this was the smaller leak. in the sense where i quantified it ~exactly~, algebraically.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my experiment where i determined that :

assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:40:39; shinohai: I still have faith that one day my pogo will sing.

assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 15:38:44; dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal that the trb build process downloads and builds the linux kernel?

nubbins`: danielpbarron there were too many iterations of deedbot so i rolled my own. i can share the code, but it should be compatible

nubbins`: which oddly confirmed almost right away because i blew a whole quarter on the fees

shinohai: mircea_popescu: I wound up buying 3 thanks to mats, had considered more lol

dooglus: nubbins`: yes, I believe so. this appears to fix it: http://dpaste.com/0FFDMQT

mircea_popescu: i sitll have crates of the things in storage that will one day sing.

shinohai: I still have faith that one day my pogo will sing. ☟︎

nubbins`: <+hanbot>you fucked that up, what, you figure more spewing is the answer? << you don't seem to get that me spelling the entire thing out again in long form is zero on my list of priorities, but i appreciate you switch-hitting for mp because it'd really look silly if he responded himself

dooglus: oh, I was also wondering - is it normal that the trb build process downloads and builds the linux kernel? ☟︎

dooglus: I notice core won't talk to it for long before cutting it off

dooglus: I was looking at trb, and trying to sync it from my bitcoin core node

trinque: this is what I meant about the level of discourse. I have not declared myself a "fan" of anything.

hanbot: nubbins' your projectile posturing isn't particularly useful. mp told you, i count two? three times? yest how to form your thoughts into something reviewable.

nubbins`: not sure how kakobrekla feels about that, but if i worked for a company where my boss gave away 17 btc of his own money and then recouped it from the company's dividends, i'd call the cops

nubbins`: i was forced by my own sanity to actually call this one for what it was

nubbins`: i know everyone else likes to just let idiocy happen

trinque: I've read all the l0gz

nubbins`: anyone else who wishes to bring up the subject of shameful discourse is welcome to revisit the logs where i began speaking on this topic

nubbins`: i actually think it's beyond mirthful that mp lost 17 btc of bitbet's money

nubbins`: i should just state the obvious explanation and let whoever wants to sing about cartel collusion do so

nubbins`: no, i really shouldn't

nubbins`: danielpbarron why in the fuck would i do that? i'm not so cheap that i can't afford a dime for fees

danielpbarron: you got a blog, go investigate the age of flood inputs and write it up; i'll read it

danielpbarron: well that's what Eligius does, or did last i looked into it

danielpbarron: as far as i know, the only pool taking advantage of the ability to create as many outputs as you want in a coin base is Luke-Jr's Eligius

danielpbarron: you got your bouquinism and I got my Bible. I just hope other people have their things or it can get pretty depressing

danielpbarron: if what i'm a part of isn't as big as my estimation, I don't care for bitcoin anyway. So whatever.

nubbins`: i suppose you grossly overestimate what you're a part of

danielpbarron: i suppose that there are plenty of groups, including miners, who would like to interfere with #bitcoin-assets properties

danielpbarron: that wasn't my implication. I meant "

danielpbarron: i'm just going by what you said

nubbins`: danielpbarron don't pretend to assume you know how many glass cannons i have

danielpbarron: nubbins`> again, i could create 10k tx's right now with older inputs than A1 << isn't this a "glass canon" as in, can only be fired once? How many nubbins` are out there with cannons? It costs money to assemble this weapon in short order. You have it from years of doing business.

danielpbarron: asciilifeform> i have nfi, btw, what the age was. did you look into it? << http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47581

nubbins`: hmm i wonder if mp putting me on ignore means he's gotta filter me from his logs as well

nubbins`: but if i have a massive backlog, no 0-fee bum is gonna get a free ride

nubbins`: once my backlog has been eliminated, i have no qualms about relaying A1

nubbins`: look: i receive A1 when it's first broadcast, i hold onto it but i DON'T RELAY IT because my backlog is too big.

nubbins`: and i wouldn't even have to crack open two cold wallets

nubbins`: again, i could create 10k tx's right now with older inputs than A1

asciilifeform: i have nfi, btw, what the age was. did you look into it?

nubbins`: i could've kept A1 in limbo for a month if i'd wanted to

nubbins`: do you have any idea how many 0-fee transactions i could make, today, with higher priority than A1?

asciilifeform: i.e. gatherings for whatever purpose

jurov: i can offer coinbr users' coins for the experiments... seems using users' funds is en vogue

nubbins`: but i have extremely low incentive to help mp exorcise his ghosts

nubbins`: i could, as i've got an enormous amount of coins that haven't moved in a very long time

asciilifeform: punkman: i have nfi , ask him when he wakes up

nubbins`: i'll broadcast 0-fee tx's when it suits me, not the other way around

punkman: gotta explain why the 0fee tx wasn't visible in anyone's mempool for days, although I don't know how exactly mp examined the mempools and of which nodes he was connecting to

asciilifeform: i saw same thing when sending a lee sedol bet a few wks ago

nubbins`: kako and i seem to agree that nothing about sturles' theory "fell apart upon examination", although we'd both be eager to hear your thoughts on the topic

nubbins`: danielpbarron if your interest in a subject is predicated on who else is interested in it, then i have no sensible response