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a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 20:50 asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11.

mircea_popescu: if she whispers "i love you, master" just as you feel her asshole tear you might deeply regret having missed hearing it ; but if alf says (yes ? name not pronoun ?) c++ bungled smart pointers, what am i going to miss ? it's not fucking going away. if only it did. it's not. the reason he fucking said it, even is because the damned thing won't go away already.

mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate to "no, you can't have your lunch and eat it too, just as you couldn't when you asked me earlier, and just as you won't later on", ie, "you won't get the answer you wish to hear no matter how many times you ask", ie, immutably in front of idiocy -- there's not that much to lose, not really, out of public conversation. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you either did it or didn't do it, we can't just invent doers by looking around, can we now.

mircea_popescu: error : abstract symbol "deliberate" doesn't admit to be defined formally.

lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:52:40: <Mocky> is it permissible to use c++11 features with the client/build? I couldn't tell from the jamconfig. it seems like the int64_t type is a c++11 thing and that's in there.

asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2014-02-14 17:22 asciilifeform: where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'

lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:30:42: <Mocky> the only thing I can think is if I can pull out those includes from worldhandler.h and put them in worldhandler.cpp, but I just don't see it. 90% of the methods have csString, or EID, csPtr, csVector3

lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-14 01:25:07: <Mocky> and i added implementations of those methods to worldhandler.cpp, which i can show if curious. but this brings me to my problem: I can't include worldhandler.h in any of my code without bringing in the whole cs / ps spitoon

mircea_popescu can't resist linking http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/#selection-149.423-149.564

mircea_popescu: because you specifically can't have fried ice, these two are contradictory. either it's marketed to or not.

mircea_popescu: but then when same galley hand "team building", all the stupid cunts had the same cut of panties on, you just didn't look.

mircea_popescu: you don't understand how "ironic" works. YES the emblazoned tshirts. of course, it's what they're for, channeling this sentiment.

mircea_popescu: how "hasn't" ?

asciilifeform: ( i'm almost surprised livery-proper hasn't made comeback yet )

mircea_popescu: if it doesn't come with a laptop-with-watch-in-it, it's not as PRESTIGIOUS a job. (term of art, from the guy with the vehemently delectable pork sausage)

mircea_popescu: see ? that's the beauty of it, all these lost fucktards who don't have $50 bucks to pay on my queens fulla jacks, nevertheless, NEVERTHELESS i say, "is very rich"

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it did but by now I don't even remember for sure re this particular one

asciilifeform: this isn't same box as had the sad backlight is it

mircea_popescu: item has intel sound, haven't bothered with.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but as far as it was concerned, i suspect it also "didn't have" the switch. you should see wtf windows has morphed into, jesus christ.

mircea_popescu: i didn't search, just what happened ot pick up.

phf: to close upstack before it gets lost, you need http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-4-introduction-of-the-platform/ and http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ the later is a full regrind (which i also didn't notice until btcbase failed to link 4 to rest)

asciilifeform: a url that one can GET and puts out e.g. last 500kB of raw log, isn't so much moar abusable than the ordinary formatted feed imho

phf: btcbase already does that, internally. i've offered people in the past a feed (since i don't want that service to be abused), but i don't think anyone expressed interest

phf: well, i've seen lines missing during netsplits, which i suppose is not this critical. i suspect ben_vulpes's logbot doesn't have a fallback mechanism, so when it drops there's the reconnect window, which i suspect i could find one or two with missing one or two lines. ben_vulpes will have to speak for himself though.

phf: i get it, but i haven't done investigation

phf: but that doesn't always work (for fundamental reasons of non-synchronized protocol), so i have it entirely disabled on mine. i'll add it back, but there's going to be an event X sometime in the feature, where both bot and bouncer failed to come back, resulting in log break. with previous configuration that was less likely

BingoBoingo: Then again coonskins aren't sold much in the US anymore

mircea_popescu: spyked "scuză-mă te rog, îs năcăjit rău" ie, "don't hold my bitter lot against me."

mircea_popescu: the stable of priests isn't kept around.

asciilifeform: ( btw the m. rust wankage has deep undercurrent of scamola, word is the gorby personally ordered 'not shoot', didn't want his fellating of nato reich disrupted by 'incident', then flunkies took the blame )

Mocky: flying police don't shoot down without permission of Allah

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the use of violence is a serious problem in the swamp. there's a reason dogvomit doesn't launch rockets, you understand ? not that "couldn't", but that out of uniform.

mircea_popescu: yeah. not the end of the world, mostly making the point that people rarely get the text right. "oh, i didn't realise what this was gonna do" sorta thing

asciilifeform didn't initially notice, i have these switched off on the box where read the lul

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fundamental misunderstanding of what an encyclopedia is. pro tip : d'alembert's item was an ~elite~ retelling of the world. the mass retelling of the world isn't a retelling, isn't of the world, and interests as much as any other fly metabolism byproducts.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is detailed further down in #t log from the night

asciilifeform: was optimizing rss crapper so that it doesn't idiotically do whole cpu/hour of work each time cache expires, evidently introduced a sad where a new find of $factor triggers old mods as report

BingoBoingo: <mod6> Let's think on it anyway. I guess worst case, BingoBoingo could take a day trip to BSAS and buy some drives. << They aren't cheaper over there

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, i wouldn't put that much finnicking into it.

mod6: Whatever we don't spend will be returned to Pizarro, or I suppose can be held in fiat if need be.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 18:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ? << If it's critical, it's critical, and will sell disk to S.NSA. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: ah ok. anyway, if you get spinners, don't get 1tb bs. get 2 or 4 or even 8

mircea_popescu: alright, so basically you want to make the spare into a dumb disk box ? isn't that a waste of board ?

mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be better to have 3ssd raid and the mechanical inside ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841029 << wouldn't it be better to get mechanicals for this actually ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 00:11 trinque: if all it does is cough up the link to search, wouldn't really need an API

mircea_popescu: ftr, "crashing" in a "wooded area" sounds like someone didn't look for sidewinder debris at the site.

BingoBoingo: There's a TBF marked spare 1 TB samsung in the inventory sheet. If thoroughput isn't absolutely necessary there are also locally available external spinninf rust HDD's: https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90355/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%201TB%20STEA1000400%20USB%203-0 and https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90469/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%202TB%20STEA2000400%20USB%203-0

asciilifeform: ... in fact, loox like there won't be any moar phuctor output until i get a 1TB disk hooked up ( will have to be on a usb snake, luckily i left BingoBoingo with one -- as all 4 drive bays on dulap are full )

trinque: if all it does is cough up the link to search, wouldn't really need an API ☟︎

asciilifeform: '"Nah, I mean, I don't need that much help. I've played some video games before," the man responds.'

asciilifeform: viznut: don't take my word for it, take a dig in the logs, make use of the search function.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 21:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840849 << these are not stories of abuse, these are war stories "what i do matters". it's such a huge part of the lore that i wouldn't be surprised if the hotel mgmt does it to attract more of an attention to the event. you mean i get to hang out with dangerous hackers??

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840849 << these are not stories of abuse, these are war stories "what i do matters". it's such a huge part of the lore that i wouldn't be surprised if the hotel mgmt does it to attract more of an attention to the event. you mean i get to hang out with dangerous hackers?? ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( relatedly, iirc there's a vintage ro trilema re how reich-style policing increases street theft , by making fertile fields for smalltime crime , but can't seem to unearth it )

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-10 07:01 adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.

asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 << adlai : folx on mircea_popescu's list of the officially sad, can't lease boxen, i thought this was clear

mircea_popescu: read the thing quoted. it says http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787189 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787190 for a fucking reason. that reason is, that for as long as freenode persists in "code of conduct" and "women aren't meat" and assorted nonsense, the republic is wealthy, and the republic is powerful, and yes someone will pay so that hilary "inexplicably" loses "the election". ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: kaniini doesn't work lol, consider http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+fetlife (specifrically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787186 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840780 << can't be ~entirely~ static seedturd , or they'd all have exactly same key; gotta be something moar along the lines of the debian lulz ☝︎

kaniini: i don't

kaniini: i didn't bother to check the keys yet

mircea_popescu: i hope you don't mind the quote.

mircea_popescu: ~relevant bit being i guess "<kaniini> now that's a nick i haven't seen in a while. there is already https://github.com/kaniini/antissh that pops most of them. this stuff about keys is interesting though"

rain2: oh he didn't bring me, ifollowed

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'seclist' lulzfest linked specifically for the laugh where some boeck figure loses his shit because some 'traitor' didn't wait the requisite 14days usg wanted etc

a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 00:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840622 << the shitstains have been doing their 'coordinated disclosure' for , what , 20yrs nao , it isn't particularly 'idea', but rather the default herd-biological behaviour of shitstains

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840646 << i don't mean that, i mean specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816498 part. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform doesn't anticipate making any further changes to the pizarro rk kernel, at least while we use same iron

mod6: Lords and Ladies: We have a rockchip ready to go! Let us know if interested, details here if you didn't know already: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/

a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 00:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840480 << forgot to mention which log they read to get the "idea". because totally, it'll no longer be "we copied tmsr" if they don't admit they copied tmsr.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840622 << the shitstains have been doing their 'coordinated disclosure' for , what , 20yrs nao , it isn't particularly 'idea', but rather the default herd-biological behaviour of shitstains ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840487 << and i'm sure http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ "we" have to "explain" why some randos calling themselves names aren't the names they chose but the names we chose. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840480 << forgot to mention which log they read to get the "idea". because totally, it'll no longer be "we copied tmsr" if they don't admit they copied tmsr. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840439 << or whether someone somewhere doesn't have cloudflare drop'd ☝︎

asciilifeform: or letting this happen. (At the same time, I did force another semi-public issue to oss-security right away since that one didn't involve coordination with so many parties.)'

asciilifeform: and the cucks entertain, https://archive.is/4L8IS >> from one 'Solar Designer' , kernelist, 'However, with CERT involved and with related issues affecting more than just Linux, there was little I could do, short of playing full BOFH and breaking the semi-embargo for everyone. While I think that would have been for the general public's benefit overall, I didn't feel about it strongly enough to actually do it this time. I apologize f

asciilifeform: observe that you won't find asciilifeform posting tips an' tricks re winblowz terraforming. or anything re subj. the Right Thing to do with winblowz, is to flush it down toilet, and walk away.

asciilifeform: phf: fwiw ( and possibly i mentioned this in the past ) asciilifeform works with... undocumented corners of microshitiana , for his bread. ( would liek to stop, but i dun see it happening any time soon . ) but i wouldn't wish it on other people, or recommend it as a 'promising career' etc.

asciilifeform: at this point it is not so unlike winblowz , i.e. if yer getting srs dough for putting on the bathyscaphe and descending into sewer, then yes, descend, but prolly won't feel like telling people about it, and will try to forget at end of the day

phf: i don't know what's the basis for that assessment, outside of my occasional rants: homebrew is also the only useful one of the three, i.e. you can use it to provision a standard issue corporate macbook pro into doing useful thing

mircea_popescu: i've seen tons of these "i make 70k a year but i actually can't afford a $50 pair of shoes" sorts.

mircea_popescu: and if he doesn't know how to evaluate it therefore it doesn't really exist, and so on.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile he also went from 2x to 20x+1, and from voice here to no voice here, but he... "doesn't know how to evaluate that loss"

asciilifeform: the douchebag type isn't, contrary to appearances, believer in enchanted horse. but in his enchanted arse, which is to drive ordinary horse across oceans

mircea_popescu: "she can't accuse me of being uncomfortable...."

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a handful of known 'elementary particles' of stupid, that aren't copies of one another (e.g. 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-stupid, britney-stupid, goats-and-cousins-fucking desert-stupid , threadbare chukcha-stupid, ... ) but aside from that, yes, copies, how else

mircea_popescu: you don't understand etsy chic

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 20:15 mircea_popescu: anyway esthlos i know it's hard but srsly, don't give it up, it's entertaining and perhaps marginally even useful. "Hence I'm changing my base organizational approach and will be prioritizing the log reading above Keccak and other projects, to move towards the desired number." pfff!!

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> i haven't got one in #mocky this whole time, figured they don't bother with just one << Ditto for #agriculturalsupremacy

Mocky: trinque, I think I did something wrong but I don't know what ^

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform deedbot doesn't log afaik ? maybe talk to phf or ben_vulpes see ikf either's willing to add you ?

trinque: wasn't spyked doing an RSSbot once upon a time?