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asciilifeform: (modern vendors succumb to the temptation to put a great many special-purpose parts in fpga, e.g., multipliers, even whole cpu cores, etc. i am specifically not talking about their rubbish.)
asciilifeform: (put a quartz glass window in it, like 1980s eproms)
asciilifeform: but just a die with a number of conventional cpu.
asciilifeform: but one where the physical package is brought out to a 'nuts and bolts' thing that you can screw into an aggregate, tiled, without making pcb
asciilifeform: you did not make anything, really, and you relied on a supply chain that is quite likely unstable, esp. if you become 'interesting' ☟︎
asciilifeform: conceivably if you start with a sufficiently prepped product, you can 'vlsi at home'
asciilifeform: (fpga only became a seriously practical thing, really, in 2000s. you will find them from '90s but on MASSIVE boards with dozens of the same unit)
asciilifeform: unfortunately it would have to be on a reasonably recent density, to be useful.
asciilifeform: if i could make one thing, on a traditional si process, it would be an fpga.
asciilifeform: as it stands, it has a good chunk of the difficulty of space colonization but with ~none of the 'sexappeal'
asciilifeform: phf: 'give a damn' in the serious financial sense.
asciilifeform: there was a whole world of approaches that people spent their lives on, before cheap semiconductor, and entirely forgotten now
phf: define giving a damn. most people would see something like that as a hobbyist project along the lines of building a cpu out of nand gates, but funding it as an militarized alternative to modern computing?
asciilifeform: it is even worth considering that one could, in principle, compute on something ~other than a semiconductor~
asciilifeform: (last i recall mircea_popescu gave somewhere close to 1/10th of a damn, he is to be commended for this) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the most discouraging part is the utter lack of anybody giving half a tinker's damn.
asciilifeform: made a sorta working cu diode.
asciilifeform: with the aim of, ideally, finding a way to make integrated circuit in similar ways to how hobbyist can make pcb
asciilifeform: for a while i got into the question of cupric oxide and other exotic semiconductor
asciilifeform: or - at a stretch - pgp.
phf: some problems are probably better solvable than others, can perhaps build a st-506<->sd gadget in garage, can't do same with the cpu
asciilifeform: would have ended up with a result, too, if 'life had not gotten in the way'
asciilifeform: other than a tall (shrinking, as i understand, today - to nothing) pile of drives.
asciilifeform: the man who did it for a living, had no solution.
asciilifeform: i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk ☟︎
asciilifeform: real, e.g., 'zero' airplane, exists, in flying condition even somewhere, but do you think it will be wasted on a ~film~ ?!
asciilifeform: (though schmidt did sell me an ~empty shell~ of a tape drive, in case i can ever locate the drive raw !)
asciilifeform: and had a machine made
asciilifeform: consisting of a tall pile of MiGs
asciilifeform: when romans sealed up a vestal virgin who had a fuck, they gave her a loaf of bread and a glass of milk
asciilifeform: where you seal yourself into a cave with 10,000 cans of 'spam' and 100,000 rounds of kalash
asciilifeform: this is a computerized version of the traditional american 'survivalist' lunacy
asciilifeform: this is a ~basic, necessary step~ to sanity of whatever any other kind.
asciilifeform: 2) toolchain is not a closed x86 turd, and in fact can run on an arch implemented on SELFSAME CHIP itself.
asciilifeform: it is the only thing approaching a general-purpose pill against the garbage.
phf: i.e. my cmucl runs on a clearly compromised intel cpu and can even do interesting things. imagine future(tm) where only way to run cmucl is by crosscompiling into x86 emulator inside your web browser ;] ☟︎
phf: naggums have a fit, for obvious reasons, but you can still keep on using that emacs, until "they come for me and noone's left"
phf: i'm more concerned that there's very little ground left that's unpolluted on which i can build a house or possibly raise a barn with other people
phf: i'm ok that there exists a superior tool that solves a class of problems. kind of like right now paying for intellij ensures that i can do a certain paid work in the most effective way available. perhaps if i have another interesting lisp project, i'll call alegro people again, etc.
asciilifeform: a race where not only first place but places one through ten thousand went to a single winner.
asciilifeform: it is a collective-failure-of-everybody-but-one-guy - sorta like mpex.
asciilifeform: ida is a particularly interesting case because it is a TOTAL monopoly ☟︎☟︎
phf: wireshark is a kind of IDA or intellij, can just have them running on your most-sane-dev-box-du-jour
asciilifeform: thing is, someone will have to maintain the forked (and, in practice, re-write, most of them are quite nearly unmaintainable) proggies. there is not actually a substitute for, e.g., wireshark.
asciilifeform: actually carrying the exercise to a usable-to-other-people, well-documented conclusion is somewhere Nth on the list of things i would do if i had mircea_popescuesque levels of free time
asciilifeform: at the heart of something like power management there is normally a 500-lines-of-c util that mostly worx, but surrounded for some reason by hairball of rubbish scriptolade
phf: well, it reveals that core infrastructure is rotten, i assume "few proggies" is what's needed on your battlestation, because on a laptop i'm still for example missing power management tooling. even shell script based stuff depends on dbus or somesuch
asciilifeform: just as, walking on the street, you meet men, and flies, but never a man-fly hybrid of questionable species
phf: at the very least the demarcation lines become ~very~ obvious. it's either an old unix hand with one or two libs in dependency tree, or a modern monster that pulls 50 libraries and fails to install because of some poetterlib
asciilifeform: worked for ~everything minus a few proggies
asciilifeform: and a buncha other turd also
asciilifeform: just as i would have never even known about 'flycheck' if i didn't come across a broken (since fixed, by hand) macos emacs.
asciilifeform: then you try it and find that if you need custom compiler flags (or, satan forbid, a non-x86 gcc) you're SHIT out of luck
asciilifeform: it was a shit sandwich ANY WAY YOU CUT IT
asciilifeform: e.g., in a few years a n00b looking for 'web server' will find ten qeergendered flycheckesque atrocities and - if he is very very lucky - one 'hunchentoot' in a state of disrepair
asciilifeform: there is apparently nothing more alluring to the vermin than a not-yet-verminized ecosystem ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 04:28 phf: asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"!
phf: ben_vulpes: to be fair common lisp tumor is mainly perceptible only to a special kind of basket cases. it is still one of the healthier ecosystems.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will take you a month to realize that it never worked in the first place" << lol
ben_vulpes: eg common lisp has grown a decent tumor of the shit lately
ben_vulpes: "easy" means "this shit is so complex it will take you a month to realize that it never worked in the first place"
ben_vulpes: "minimalist" means "i made an epic shitton of assumptions and then laid down a zillion lines of code in support of those assumptions"
ben_vulpes: and that is that if someone claims a software library to be "minimalist" or "easy", they are lying through their goddamn teeth
mats: i was unemployed for a few months last year and i looked into donating bodily excretions, ie, poo, blood, semen
shinohai: iirc the Romans taxed urine traders, but did not know there was a thriving stool market.
mircea_popescu: at least the cows get a quarter per gallon for the milk the supermarket sells at a dollar a liter.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454964 <<< well it is a source of popcorn drama and qntra lulz ☝︎
mod6: oooh, i heard about that 'information superhighway thingy'. they say we'll all be doing everything in 'Virtual Reality' in a few years.
mircea_popescu: kids is a combo of iq and yo.
asciilifeform: iirc, e.g., gabriel_laddel, is a young fella
phf: i suspect snr on reddit is so low the event is not even going to be perceived as something that requires a cover up on such articulated terms. the burying is something in the range between "confederate flag? downvote." and "mircea? something not scam? downvote."
asciilifeform: still need a hard point of trust to know the genuine public key
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-21#1454940 << thing is, and see today's earlier thread in fact, pgp per se does not magic away the 'give me a place to stand on' problem ☝︎
midnightmagic: The payment protocol thingy Gavin did *can have* also the property of saving signed invoices for the client including such information but nobody cares and there hasn't been a high-profile use of the PP where a dispute ensued.
midnightmagic: fwiw, I don't have much of an opinion one way or another. If I went into it knowing this were the case, I could find it very useful to have this property in my transactions with, say MPEX. But for, say, a *deposit address* on a webpage for an exchange, I *would* want non-repudiability as per, say, TLS message authentication extension in RFC .. hrm. That RFC where it's defined but was never implemen
mircea_popescu: i already had my sammich, doing a review of wild things, of all things. anyone saw it ?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin excuse me while i strawman you into a convenient position for the benefit of the kids.
mircea_popescu: tech is a tool. yes, there are very good places where making things work by the cold equations makes sense.
midnightmagic: yay I'm a person
mircea_popescu: it's dead and buried by now, under a pile of ridicule.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the chief problem here is that time has gone by and left copumpkin behind. he's still in this lulzy 2012 where bitcoin was a geek thing and the fashion of believing "technology will supplant humans" went unchallenged, in their own circles.
mircea_popescu: a passive observer could certify.
midnightmagic: revealing the key would break the forward secrecy. But I know what you mean. Still, as described all an eavesdropper would have to do to fairly strongly prove the authenticity of the message is stamp it and assert that there's no evidence the pubkey was revealed before then. That is, a third-party passively listening to the conversation with self-assured reliability could watch it happen, then obse
midnightmagic: I *think* the OTR protocol uses a revealed MAC between the parties *but more crucially, a stream cipher for malleable encryption* so that at explicit termination of the conversation neither party can claim later that the other one definitely wrote something specific in the log of each. The deniable authentication protocol therein doesn't reveal it to the public -- only to the other party. Publically
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic the only legal proceeding contemplated will go on here. anyone seeking justice in the new world must have a wot presence.
asciilifeform: incidentally if mircea_popescu really needed to solve this 'problem', he easily could, in cryptography world this is known as 'otr protocol', you encipher to a public key generated for the occasion, and the private key for it is later thrown to the wind for hypothetically anyone to know
midnightmagic: Where *would* the trail be in the event a court were seeking assets.
mircea_popescu: a year ago is too far for memory to reach
asciilifeform: actually aluminum disk will turn if embedded halfway into a 60hz field
mircea_popescu: i'd have thought nicely made wheel out of paramagnetic alloy ; then vary a field.
asciilifeform: i can think of a few tricks that won't be immediately apparent.
asciilifeform: possibly even something involving a pulsed magnet near the gear tooth.
mircea_popescu: but even so it needs a drive ?
mircea_popescu: the stat is a single item. these are separable for reasons.
copumpkin: why is it any different to sign my slip asking for a subset of that?
mircea_popescu: all possible views that don't conform can take a hike.
mircea_popescu: mpex is made to serve a certain view on this world, not all possible views.
copumpkin: or I could just present a signed slip
mircea_popescu: as a forinstance.
mircea_popescu: and so we go through this a coupla times and then i go you know what, just register a deed already, this is getting ridiculous