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phf: "we put an ad up, got much money. year later we put an ad up got low money. he's a graph. much money here, low money here. tribe move, many starve"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know for a fact people do. and yes it is exactly spam, and people clikc that, too.
phf: what you're saying correlates to what i heard, i don't have an opinion because it always seemed like dark magic to me. i've never clicked on ads, and have hard time groking a person who would. but there's also a disconnect of sorts. i understand literotica hack, it is in some ways similar to okcupid hack, it's a cold call, where you have some idea who's the person on the other side, and you just do it in bulk. online ads seem more like fishing, ex
mircea_popescu: by now google is pushing for 10-25 cent clicks as a minimum, but not only are clickthroughs way down there under 0.1%, cpa/ctr relation is entirely broken. get ten million clicks and sell two garden gnomes.
mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, being that they're caught in the trap "online media" sites were caught a decade prior. back in 2005 google ads were sought out because the yahoo wannabe yahoos had ridoinculous shit like "80 bux cpm" in their "sheets", while ctrs were dropping through the 1% floor.
phf: i thought for a while, that google makes most of its income (including things like tax breaks and protectorate) through bulk data sale and access, and ads is just a quaint misdirection. anecdotally from people in the affiliate marketing and such circles, the margins on google ads and the profits are so low and have been for about two years now to suspect whole thing of a lie
mircea_popescu: (they're in total lulzy overdrive, by the way. system with nothing but a certain webhost cookie got shown adds for THAT webhost 975 times / 1000 and 25 times to other webhosts ; then with consumer interest single cookie (waldorf astoria) got shown 1000/1000 waldorf astoria ads.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this anecdote certainly gives a good trashing to the whole "gotta upgrade" blabla. why, for "security" ? glhf, the log's chock full of lolz @wp blogs. for what, "looks" ? yarly, i've yet to see that many better looking blogs.
phf: flask is not standalone though, it's a wsgi service, which in turn is a python standard for doing "web application". there are competing servers for wsgi, uwsgi being most popular. i actually had to patch it for my work production, and it's not a fits in head by any means
mircea_popescu: yeah me either. jus' a stray thought, fully argued i'd say.
phf: i'm just being a silly, i don't have a strong opinion until i see further direction taken
mircea_popescu: poorly designed, impredictable random tools actually induces similarity of behavior. it is technically speaking a free fuzzer for teh enemy.
mircea_popescu: different topics here tho. standard of behaviour is one thing ; standard of tools is another. a good set of standard tools is what allows variance of behaviour.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 21:18 mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not even trivial to do a count - i left out trinque and jurov for instance. that makes it 7. it's prolly more like 80% than any specific number.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he prolly got a version off 3.5 inch diskettes.
mircea_popescu: well the other thing is that a guy who can do a spiffy web framework couldn't necessarily do gpg arcana or c++ nonsense in bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: it may be cheaper to have a coupla make a package and that's that.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do we want to make a standard web framework ? so people can put up sites a la boost except not retarded ?
mike_c: yeah. it's in progress. I started doing it but had to deal with a couple other things. I de-crufted btcalpha and killed half the site (bitbet gone, etc). now i'm halfway through a web framework upgrade which is going to make adding the new wot browser easier.
mircea_popescu: notably enough, this does not mean the converse (ie, that 44% are seen for over 5 seconds). it just means that we know for a fact 56% of online advertising budgets are wasted ; the remainder are also wasted but that fact not so easily known.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated news from 2012 : "By measuring the statistics of more than 1.5 billion ad impressions per day, it was possible to understand deeply how different websites perform. Some of the high level results: 38% of the ads are never in view to a user 50% of the ads are in view for less than 0.5 seconds 56% of the ads are in view for less than 5 seconds"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would EVER want a cache for passwd calls omfg.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-26 02:37 asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How boys become men, or don’t: then and now. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/25/how-boys-become-men-or-dont-then-and-now/
mircea_popescu: it's called a sissy!
deedbot: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally, offer it as a site option.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's you know, a chunk of code.
asciilifeform: he used for a pgptron
asciilifeform: i've been actually piling these up in a special archive for when i have new parser.
asciilifeform: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457681 << it's got a uniturd in it. ☝︎☟︎
deedbot: $b 3 is not a command.
BingoBoingo: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/15/the-boy-scouts-of-america-then-and-now-a-comparison-of-the-1911-and-modern-handbooks-and-merit-badges/
shinohai: Almost made a Qntra anecdote of it.
shinohai forgot to wish BingoBoingo a happy Confederate Memorial Day.
pete_dushenski: fueled by that killer dice debate, i'm off to the races gents. bon soir a tous!
mircea_popescu: cheaper for her to get a dildo than to turn you into one.
asciilifeform: a more interesting imho variant of this experiment is to have the device ~block~ the signal to balls, during normal fucktion
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, would prolly be a selling point. "100 orgasms, then your genitals fall off"
mircea_popescu: i don't think tissue damage is a drawback for the practitioners.
mircea_popescu: works as a single spire. prolly closes with itself.
asciilifeform: shinohai: get cucked by a dead bloke!
shinohai: Get cucked by a product originally designed for bulls. Neato.
asciilifeform: pissin on a set of electrical contacts!
mircea_popescu: recall that the strength of the wot comes specifically from there not being a standard of behaviour. ☟︎
asciilifeform: a last resort.
asciilifeform: i see dice as a sort of bayonet
mircea_popescu: discussion rapidly becomes a "why would i own a sliderule, i have my computor". well, some people own a slide rule.
mircea_popescu: sure, an argument could be brought that "hey, even blocking /random is faster than dice". maybe. then consider machines that do not have a rng at all, such as pogo. maybe they want pws too. etc.
phf: but if the question is about other people, then there's a trust slice that is manifest on the system. the kind of person who trusts his os x, should also trust the password generator on it. kind of person who downloads random online apps by some criteria, would be able to apply same criteria to selecting a password generator/manager
phf: dd if=/dev/random|LANG=C tr -dc '_A-Z-a-z-0-9'|fold -w10|head -n5
mircea_popescu: rolling dice is a better source for "please enter your password" than... what, dreaming one up ?
phf: a dice rng is "defective design". it's all over the place, low tech solution right in the middle of high tech stack. can't make one at home, since bias. wouldn't really make key by hand either. any optimizations turn to logical "why not flip electrons instead". i've noticed the tendency though, friend told me that he's generating work passwords with dicewear
asciilifeform: enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear.
asciilifeform: it is only a problem in ridiculously narrow trickle sort of rng.
asciilifeform: (and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe)
asciilifeform: can dr evil pick it up and learn a few bits of yer key
asciilifeform: is it safe to discard a set of dice ?
phf: actually, i'm misremembering. it's someone built a tumbler to test dice bias, your conclusion was that he's testing errors in his OCR
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not entirely a virgin field. there is even a special tumbler for this process.
jurov: you're welcome to make a specifically worn dice that produces only ~2 bits of entropy. i suspect that would be very hard.
mircea_popescu: and then throw it on a magnetic field
mircea_popescu: but they do not wear in a predictible fashion
asciilifeform: jurov: we do not know much much information re future throws is actually, in fact, present in a dice outcome.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quest for "not electronic" interaction is a little lulzy to me thatsall
mircea_popescu: dice roll off a table, that's electrons at work.
asciilifeform: it would be quite another thing if they used a pencil, but no.
asciilifeform: the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer...
asciilifeform: (how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.)
mircea_popescu: there's a mathematical solution to "what is the probability of x specific configuration come out of y random process of given probabilities"
asciilifeform: there is NOT a bound.
asciilifeform: i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice
pete_dushenski: anyone here have experience physical rolling dice a lot ? wondering how many times you rolled a set of 5 before you have sufficient confidence in their fairness. obviously, there's no absolute answer to this inquest, just curious if anyone has bothered or if 'casino dice' are considered sufficient precaution.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 19:26 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more
pete_dushenski: 'As a Walgreens cashier explains, “It’s easy to sell on the street. Everyone uses soap.”'
deedbot: [Trilema] Today on Trilema : A history of the Polar Crabs ; A Discussion of Very Deep Globules ; A General Theory of the Corn Cobb as well as an Autobiography of Herzog Balthasar Hedgehog by Mr. Burt Mugg. - http://trilema.com/2016/today-on-trilema-a-history-of-the-polar-crabs-a-discussion-of-very-deep-globules-a-general-theory-of-the-corn-cobb-as-well-as-an-autobiography-of-herzog-balthasar-hedgehog-by-mr-burt-mugg/
mircea_popescu: and pete_dushenski has a point : how many girlies did you stuff with pairs of 'em and then made do squats ?
mircea_popescu: a
asciilifeform: they were a big large
asciilifeform: as a kid i just had a big bottle of ball bearings
asciilifeform: but not as kid, but some time recently in a shop window somewhere.
pete_dushenski: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71nKwu2REIL._SX522_.jpg << anyone remember these as a kid ? hilariously entertaining rube goldberg-style marble toy
mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform my current antispam arrangements work splendidly. i get maybe 2-3 items a day i have to look at, which is a-ok. 99.97% ish i never see.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in my little refuge within a bubble within a refuge, we're just booming despite the oil glut
mircea_popescu: o look, a pete. how's canada!
pete_dushenski: for a silly boy
ben_vulpes: hah that's a silly twuk
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-19#1453907 << was this a new feature being tested for 99994k ? would like to know more ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: perhaps he purchased it as a curio
pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: "people began to imagine a world where...profits could come back in vogue"
ben_vulpes: http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii
asciilifeform thought about wot-signed-only as a spam pill
deedbot: [Trilema] 91.200.12.73 - An ode to a tireless bot. - http://trilema.com/2016/912001273-an-ode-to-a-tireless-bot/
mircea_popescu: things the us lacks to survive the coming collapse : item #7, a workable language.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything. <- not as directly, no. Possibly something like "it might work," lol
mircea_popescu: a cool.
trinque: back in a moment with the case-sensitivity fix
mircea_popescu: it's what a disinterested mark would politely say to an inept would-be chump manager. i guess the english speakers don't say anything.