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zx2c4: mircea_popescu: just
trying
to wrap my head around
the NSA angle on all
this. i get all
the points about academics
taking shortcuts or publishing nonsense. im not seeing
the government conspiracy
though
mircea_popescu: the item exists, re bolix, say. which people saw but did not publish. and are
to be very much ashamed of.
zx2c4: would you be inclined
to believe me or would
this be evidence
that i'm also in on
the conspiracy
zx2c4: (i actually havent, dont get
too excited)
zx2c4: ive seen
the results and
the data with my own eyes
zx2c4: so what if i
told you
that
mircea_popescu: you can't say "x is similar
to y" when y exists and x does not.
zx2c4: the claims of
those zmap papers certainly arent baseless, since you evidently have hit similar results?
mircea_popescu: then, when shit hit
the fan and both
these matters were publicly proven,
the reaction of all involved was
to deny ; and of all naive bystanders
to "memory hole effect".
mircea_popescu: how about
this : "academics/journalists/assorted neets released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data
to support conclusions *because*
they didn't actually do any research
to generate said raw data" ; "these baseless claims were paid fiat paper, because
the person ion charge of distributing fiat paper
to baseless claims picked
them out of
the sea of similar batshit insane nonsense emanating from
the insane asylum at large, f
zx2c4: i will ask
them about
this
zx2c4: - academics were paid or
told by NSA
to suppress certain conclusions from
their publications.
zx2c4: - academics released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data
to support conclusions *because*
they didn't actually do any research
to generate said raw data
zx2c4: alright rereading, resynthesizing, adding a claim i understand you
to be making
too:
mircea_popescu: one could readily mechanize
the process
that created say curtis yarvin's "identity", say.
zx2c4: what is
the meaning of
the first period in your message? parser error
zx2c4: - academics were paid or
told by NSA
to suppress certain conclusions from
their publications.
zx2c4: -
they didnt actually do
the research and wordsonapdf were entirely fabricated.
zx2c4: - academics released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data
to support conclusions
zx2c4: the concrete claims i understand you
to be making are:
mircea_popescu: it works well enough, for as long as
the republic doesn't mess up
things.
mircea_popescu: rhaps discourage "men alone" (such as, prior
to finding
this place, yourself) from actually doing
the research in question.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand
the full model of
this : ambitious people whose hardware does not support
their aspirations (ie,
the aspirational 14%) say
things
that are not
true. such as "we did research of so and so". now and again,
they happen on a useful lie, something
the establishment does not actually want researchedf. so
they get a little slop,
to encourage
them
to continue with
their nonsense, while
their imago is
then used
to pe
zx2c4: so im still a bit fuzzy on
the claims here
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i never even considered
the possibility
that was some kind of conspiratorial cover story. wow.
zx2c4: he's a journalist who likes
tinkering with fuzzers and stuff
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, no. i am saying
that
they are intelectually incosequential ninnies, who happened
to
tell a convenient lie.
mircea_popescu: for
the record, pirate was also indicted by
the us circus at ~our~ pressure, and only after it became obvious
to
the usg
that i am actually making it impossible for him
to be of any further "use".
zx2c4: you're saying
that nadia and alex and people got PAID by
the nsa or somebody not
to release certain results?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: woah okay so
thats a whole other dimension
ben_vulpes: also
this has
to be in addition
to icecream monies.
mircea_popescu: that fraud does not usually get punished by
the "legal system" does not mean either boeck or pirate are respectable items.
mircea_popescu: it's plain and simple fraud, and yes of
the criminal sort.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around
the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no.
the summary is what i
told you :
they LIED about doing research ; some victims paid
them money ;
the data was
then published by
third parties ;
they stole it ;
the victims ate it.
zx2c4: "They published studies but didnt publish
the raw data
to support
their conclusions" - would
this be an accurate summary?
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation
than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like
to get a flat down
there;
this can consolidate
the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
☟︎ zx2c4: so
to summarize your beef with
these people,
mircea_popescu: in order
to have published, you must publish ; otherwise herodotus' imaginary
travels are
the first source for animals
that don't exist.
zx2c4: you guys are publishing
the pure data
zx2c4: ahh so
the complaint is
that
mircea_popescu: it does not look like anything. KEYS and FACTORS. not stories about.
the numbers.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, you're more
than welcome
to identify sets of keys WITH
THE RESPECTIVE FACTORS published by anyone, at any
time,
then compare
this with
the phuctor set, and
then write
to whatever plagiarism committee you imagine is keeping academia from wallowing in
the utter gutters of
the intellectual world.
zx2c4: halderman and heninger have worked
together a lot
mircea_popescu: no. some people were lying about doing research
that
they did not do.
then we came and "stole"
their "idea", did it, published results.
zx2c4: oh. is your beef
that you were masscanning
the net first, and
then
these other people stole your idea and ran with it?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "real" in what sense ? it was published once phuctor published
the results,
through
the procedure of copy.pasting it.
mircea_popescu: then whatever victims
they lied
to decided rather
than admit
they were swindled out of whatever
the scammers cost, it'd be better for academic facade
to pretend
the fraud was never exposed, and carry on.
mircea_popescu: hanno boeck, some chick named nirdlinger or nirflinger or whatever and some other schmucks lied for years about having done research
they never actually did.
zx2c4: ahh looks like hanno has called y'all out on
this?
mircea_popescu: aaanyways ; not
the end of
the world. learning is how learning goes, after all.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu:
this sounds vaguely familiar
BingoBoingo: more heavily
to
the end of
the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings
to live amongst
the retards.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: I'm going
to go do
the FG surgery and lets
the adults
talk
through
things, but... Remember
the $20/day per diem arose out of a
time when I was working on BBisp and chasing a prospect. When
the statement's out do some math, float some compensation proposals covering a 12 month span, and recognize
that and extra $180 a month still leaves me in
the position of dipping into my savings rather frequently. Maybe weight
the compensation boost
mod6: Tickets are still available on
the website.
mod6: I
turned it off about
the
time
that douche showed up.
mod6: Then
that works a lot better, I'm way less likely
to overlook something like
that.
mod6: Just get my attention, "YOH MOD6 WHAT ARE WE GOING
TO DO ABOUT X!?"
mod6: We'll get back
to ya all.
mod6: And, currently I see no issue with $180 extra per month. We do want our System Administrator
to be able
to have a liveable life in .uy. Will discuss ofc.
mod6: Next
time, besure
to get my attention
though.
mod6: Ok, I'll
take
the blame here -- I missed whatever proposal in some log.