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asciilifeform: ( and yes i converted FG price to usd, to match the units of the other params )
mircea_popescu: prolly should look into the concept of "unearned income". technically money you were paid for services you've not yet rendered belongs to the customers' equity line.
mircea_popescu: ah, the rest because you booked some yearly contracts, i see, i see.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you're confusing the concept of par value for shares (which is 0.00001 considering you issued 1.1mn on 11 btc capital) with book value per share, a different item.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, more shockingly, can you explain how the hell you folks posted a 0.55620116 ebidta gain this period ? i mean i get it, sold .4 worth of equity ; but the rest ?!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's also terrible practice that i read "tooling" and then "zip ties" and "llave". srsly now, put them all in tooling and ((enum)) if need be.
mircea_popescu: 1.18283607 / 1.58269707 not even terribru
mircea_popescu: the valance sheet << i like this.
asciilifeform: or do i gotta recompute from the available #s
asciilifeform: i am making a wwwistic calculator thing, ben_vulpes ; do you have the price table (usd) and current # of subscribers for each type, handy ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 20:12 ben_vulpes: what is better about this?
mod6: Oh, on the good side today! I went to that .ua place again for a fantastic ruben... and bought some of their sweet italian sausages, and smoked cheddarworst.
ben_vulpes: but go on about the numbers that interest you
ben_vulpes: no not really, it's more interesting later on in the trajectory "revenues on assets of whatever"
asciilifeform: the answer to this q doesn't really affect the most interesting numbers in the report tho.
ben_vulpes: this is very much not standard practice tho, and imho better to show a conservative estimate of what assets are (losing value month by month) than to inflate possibly controversially the valance sheet
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's an accounting practice; we could in theory only depreciate the SSDs and hold the machines onthebooks forever to reflect your view that the iron doesn't actually lose value.
ben_vulpes: mod6: ah that's correct
asciilifeform: ( ... are we talking about mechanical wear ? or something else ? )
asciilifeform: it actually isn't clear to me how these depreciate
mod6: Also, in your first table (nitpick) : s/S.NG/S.MG/
mod6: Question for ya: Is the depreciation (monthly) of UY2 really 0.33333333 ? Or maybe is supposed to be 0.03333333 ?
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for the posting of the April Report!
mod6: ugh that was brutal. nothing says "friday afternoon" like an impromptu VLAN renumbering.
BingoBoingo: If they could communicate, the would probably try insisting they are merely deaf but their movement patterns and posturing betray deficits beyond hearing loss.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sorry about the join/parts. I will put a bouncer on the punch list. Moved the terminal to do some relaxed balcony computing only to discover this weekend's crowd is a bunch of non-verbal retards here for some sort of convention.
ben_vulpes: right, that's exactly it.
asciilifeform: and ditto for the other params
asciilifeform: ok then i dun get it : from the equation it would seem that the , e.g., 36 colo, means 'if nothing else existed, 36 colos would be needed, at current price, to add up to $burn'
asciilifeform: ( in the last table )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the numbers-of-customers are 'on top of existing' or 'incl existing' ?
ben_vulpes: could i possibly induce you to set up a bouncer on the shared machine so i can tabcomplete your name after you close your laptop?
BingoBoingo: Take your time, do math, and come up with a counter offer.
BingoBoingo: ^ ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform I have proposed a start for negotiations on a compensation package through February 2019 for your consideration here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/#fn1-1909 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: easy, just don't use the idiot ieee float
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667112 << i'd like to be rid of the floating point
asciilifeform: ( see also thread, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667301 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( it still boggles my mind that anybody, at any point, ever thought that creating an arithmetron that outputs answers which are at variance with kindergarten/napkin, is somehow acceptable )
asciilifeform: phf: any idea how to make it ditch the whole machinefloat nonsense in favour of troo arithmetic ?
phf: i don't know what they did in sbcl that it gives 8.75863727 locally, but with double float cmucl gives 8.758457270000001 and with double-double-float it's 8.75845727w0
ben_vulpes: aight, so i'm an uncivilized turd.
ben_vulpes: what is better about this? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( Just Say No to machine floats )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect that sbcl uses 'iron' (ieee) floats by default, rather than rational arithmetic, and therefore produces garbage
ben_vulpes: next month this all goes into a database
ben_vulpes: hey trinque wouldja share your definition for bitcoin_amount
mircea_popescu: even more amusingly : diana_coman spent the past two days working with floats. not entirely unrelated problems.
trinque: isn't a programming environment sure, batshit language, yes, but all *these* sorts of problems were worn off by the flow of industry over the surface
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GI4Ir/?raw=true << why they can pry sql from my cold dead hands
asciilifeform: and i even suspect the reason
ben_vulpes: genuinely thought that i had forgotten my kindergarten subtraction algorithms for a moment
ben_vulpes: trinque: the error reproduces in the ios "pcalc" but not in the google calculator
trinque: ben_vulpes: hm dunno then.
mircea_popescu: trinque> with the precision set to the appropriate range << this is the important part.
ben_vulpes: and no, unformatted, returning values to the repl
trinque: recall I saw this with the deedbot wallet? type is too small
trinque: ben_vulpes: are you using format on the output?
ben_vulpes: see the line i sent to candi_lustt just a moment ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mighty interesting, will have to say moar when you have time
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i add in sbcl and round in the end by hand as taught in kindergarten
trinque: or use the python "Decimal" type, with strings passed to constructor
ben_vulpes: of course satoshi had to pick a number of decimals guaranteed to break everything in the world.
ben_vulpes: well that only looks correct because of truncation, sbcl locally sez '8.75863727'
trinque: with the precision set to the appropriate range
trinque: postgres "numeric" type
mircea_popescu: yeah, they lost that whole thing. intel's getting cisco'd.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i expect mechanical-disk nodes will fall behind again if usg 'stress test of blocks' were to resume.
asciilifeform: you can click on an item and 'add to cart' and 19 times out of 20 will get simple eggog when 'ship to $bbaddr'
asciilifeform: for some reason there is no public list or anything of the sort.
asciilifeform: ( trick was, only some % of subcontractors of shitazon, will ship abroad, had to find via brute force, which ones )
asciilifeform: ^ claims delivery guarantee of may the 7th. if this worx, then it is a viable means of getting (small/inexpensive) items into BingoBoingo's orbit.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:29 asciilifeform experimentally ordered , from shitazon, a qty of jumper cables for connection of FG to rockchippen, to be mailed to BingoBoingo , claims they will be received by may the 10th
asciilifeform: ( you still get the down side of 'N nodes hanging off a single mains supply' but avoid the hit of 'N nodes in single ip blok' )
diana_coman: lobbes, indeed; pushgetblocks patch seems to keep hdd node at the top without any problem
asciilifeform: ( e.g. ssh tunnel )
asciilifeform: lobbes, other trbists : another thing that worx, is the combo of pizarro node piped through a cheapo heathen relay-only box.
lobbes ended up getting a cheap dedi out in kansas or w/e for 25 bezzlebux. Soley for trb-ing. Drawback is it has hdd, but going to try and use the aggressive pushgetblocks patch. Seems like diana_coman had nice results with similar experimentation
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:52 mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM!
lobbes: Phew. Now I can focus on getting trb node up this weekend (hit some barfs last night when building, will post details tonight). Also, logbot-based tickerbot is getting closer (tm) to existing  >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809600 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:27 phf: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1166 << responded, but stuck in the approval queue
trinque: doesn't bother me then, folks can let me know if they want to receive.
asciilifeform: trinque: this is a-ok, it it cached.
trinque: could, but the thing is dumb and shall hit your rss once per person
asciilifeform: or am i overbending the stick here
asciilifeform: is it possible to put in more than 1 nick ? ( anybody else wants to subscribe ..? )
asciilifeform: ty trinque !
asciilifeform: ( incidentally , fermat is great 'torture test' for the box, ~100% cpu utilization for days. )
asciilifeform: however if no one objects i will re-enable crunching tomorrow morning, after fermat is expected to be finished.
mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, feel free to even quote the choicier bits in the logs. the only problem is the wall, really.
asciilifeform: very , very spiffy , trinque , i am impressed that this exists
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, trinque this works.
asciilifeform: i'ma post the full barfology in the end, then , on own www
mircea_popescu: oh and a spiffy thing that is indeed! i'm like an eagle with my comments now.
asciilifeform: trinque: oh hey, that'd be useful
trinque: asciilifeform: optionally I can aim this at you, just like mircea_popescu's trilema comments
asciilifeform: well eritreans raise children on $0 and fingernail dirt, so that dun tell us much. but i can picture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, considering from experience few locals have even half that to play with, should make survival possible. << The locals have their parents and grandparents to live with.
mircea_popescu: middle class, you know ? it's a thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did they have physical digs, tho, or only pretense