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mod6: yah, but this verifies stuff for historical purposes and helps regression test a bit.

asciilifeform: when writing a patch

shinohai: just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much

mod6: what i also want to build is a CI thingy for trb ☟︎

asciilifeform: md was a 10/20 a decade ago.

mircea_popescu: nah, it's the expensive sort. upenn et co. the cheap sort do 10k instate-20-odd k out of state. exactly like a community/agricollege.

mircea_popescu: so tuition is by now like 50k a year huh.

asciilifeform: we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here

asciilifeform: even a motherfucking beehive.

asciilifeform: but yes, they still have a good chunk of campus devoted to animals, and fields for 'test crop', etc.

mircea_popescu: if i had parents not only idiotic enough to insist i get a degree but actually brain-manged enough to do this in the us, i'd have gone to arizona u. definitely.

asciilifeform: these are generally a snore imho.

mircea_popescu: son of julio ; a sort of latino michael. they still trot him out, propped against some wood and a chick or two to sell perfume or w/e

mircea_popescu: anyway, review the woman's record, she smells like a fixed up wonder from a mile away. "you can't fix the champ", sez rod steiger. she never lost... to anyone outside of the tops.

mircea_popescu: well no, if she's working she's working, save for a few months and get a proper handjob.

mircea_popescu: maybe you don't need a dirigible ?

asciilifeform: the kind where the rope is perhaps an arm long, and the hangman has to twist yer head just-so to snap it, using rope as a fulcrum

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, well i dunno if you know or not, but anyway - at the same time women contemplating a career in porn were more than willing to shoot a few features for the more respectable sites ~for free, because they gained popularity and a stamp of quality.

phf: w.s. burroughs wrote about that one a bunch (he had a general obsession with hanging)

asciilifeform: where folks would string themselves up, properly, with a noose, and (most of the time) live

asciilifeform: relatedly, i was reading a thing re 19th c performers, and one of the tricks lost to modernity is the sport hanging

asciilifeform: the turks did it with a bowstring though, not bare hands

mircea_popescu: and i did not say strangle idly - it was the method for that situation. no idea if you've ever choked anyone but it is a) deeply sexual and b) probably the easiest way to go, outside of freezing, which they had no access to.

deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Several surprising things about the Rocky Mountains. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/15/several-surprising-things-about-the-rocky-mountains/

mircea_popescu: today is the day you, a healthy, talented, good riding and accomplished poet of a man, go to your mother who is this woman that saved your life as a 3yo and shared all the ups and downs of the past two decades,

mircea_popescu: it;s a bitch not more novel and general literary exploration of that conflict has been produced by the oh-so-unignorant west. it's a fucking fascinating situation.

mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the woman's clintonicity was 2/3 of the reason guy even had a shot at sultanhood.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform su had a very similar problem. they all do - turks kinda had to kill all their brothers, including their mother's other sons.

mircea_popescu: (to ease the work of the research-scientists and chemists of world renown, egology is a husserlian concept.)

mircea_popescu: in general it is directly obvious to a woman that "yeah you have a nice cock, but i'm full ty". somehow the point is an egological insult to the healthy male.

mircea_popescu: se) | you'll get a bunch of http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ (protocol))

mircea_popescu: and you know, in the endless "protocol vs promise" thing (such as - if you free man from labour, you will get incredible developments in culture and civilisation (promise) ; or else you'll get a horde of decayed re-monkeys (protocol) | respectively "if you include women in the political process, you'll get the fundamental if unobvious points to males, like this one, well included and represented into the public matters (promi

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well no shit. but the usg variant specifically lacks a mechanism for 'you are competent but sorry we're out of jam'

mircea_popescu: the notion that meritocracy means "EVERY meritous individual" gets a place is buluceala out and out, and has nothing to do with meritocracy. such a socialist rewriting of the concept is an insult to humanity in the first place ; but to sit and wonder why the cardboard cut "in the shape of a car" and with car written on it doesn't take you places... c;mon.

mircea_popescu: "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is. The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not particularly fixed, at least in the sense of it being extensible (in fact the list was 25 names long earlier). Therefore, objections on this line will have to be a lot more refined than si

a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:37 asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala.

mircea_popescu: this view may even be correct ; but then their inability to maintain abundant, loyal whores is very striking. it's such an obvious point of failure, after all. but hey, not that i don't understand them - the whore will kneel lovingly, but not before every idiot. and being a self-indulgent idiot is so much... easier... and nicer... and pushing yourself so... hmm... is it even compatible with the dignity of warrior ? ain't that

mircea_popescu: in their view, strangely mirrored by various other failed warrior castes, such as the manchuku or the usg, translation is a whore's job.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466771 << it's more complicated. turks believed that it is below the dignity of a warrior (you have to remember - for a stretch about a degree of magnitude longer than "modernity", being the guy who beat up the cows, bipedal or otherwise, and took their shit was the only respectable line of work for a healthy male ; starting with the romans) to learn languages. ☝︎

phf: but seeing the general freak out that happens, i think that i'd rather it was self healing, and a message or two was lost :p

phf: i personally prefer logs to be accidentally realtime, but with stronger correctness guarantees, so it's down for a bit, but there's no message loss. otherwise we have a new jersey solution of "check that a111 is in chan before you say things that you don't want lost"

a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466767 << and if brass had unmitigated audacity to answer "because the jews educate their women to be sluts, which results in the boys being motivated to think, which means one of them can eat ten of your evanghelical shitheaded sons for breakfast. fix your fucking religion, you're lagging behind the fucking irish, even the negro reinterpretation thereof is more socially productive" (as a fe ☝︎

mircea_popescu: very good. see that this is a very iffy point of failure, in the sense that the chances to end up an enemy of the people inadvertently are possibly best. seeing the logs incorrect gets ~everyone's defcon level up a notch or two

mircea_popescu: but anyway, looking forward to more "{Security researchers|IT specialists|Computer experts} with {University of Derp in Derpistan|USG.RedHat.Whatever|The HTTPS Internet} published {Literotica|Fetlife|OkCupid|Ask.fm|Phuctor|whatever} {database|userlist|secret excel codebase} publicly! We don't have a copy because we don't believe in things, we prefer names."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466759 << no they had published their research in 2005, it's just a) nobody saw it and b) it's STILL not fucking published omfg. ☝︎

asciilifeform: they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting. ☟︎

asciilifeform: so knowing all of this, it is quite obvious, the americans do not want a 90%-chinese nomenklatura 20yrs from now.

asciilifeform: the third type, included here for completeness, is 'spam school', a straight chumpatron perpetrated largely on uppity proles. formerly cornered by places like 'strayer' but now the big boiz are expanding into the market.

asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. ☟︎

asciilifeform: so the armenians ended up filling all the juicy posts. for a while.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' ☟︎

ben_vulpes: anything airborne without a human on it.

asciilifeform: ever handle a piece of american mil tech designed post-reagan ?

asciilifeform: ... and who even gives half a shit re land-based rockets any moar.

asciilifeform: guess they didn't want to become a ru bombardment-prior-to-launch zone

gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?

asciilifeform: lulzily, ro embassy had a ludicrous display titled something like '100 years of usa-romania fellat^H^H^H^H^Hriendship'

asciilifeform: where on both sides of the table there is a nod and wink, because 'everybody knows'

asciilifeform: somebody... (vaclav havel ?) had a spiffy essay, long ago, re how inca empires invariably fall into having a set of officiose idiocies, enumerated expressions like this.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466576 << this flavour of claptrap is becoming a sop pattern innit. ☝︎

asciilifeform: though, funnily, i know of at least one winblowz trojan that bundled a mips ~emulator~ internally

mircea_popescu: no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev.

asciilifeform: the obscure crackpots writing into a drawer - are generally harmless.

asciilifeform: a kind of 'dog in the manger' in just about every case i've personally dealt with

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466554 << arguably, ~old men~ in whatever form, tend to wreak havoc on whatever it was that they meaningfully contributed to as young men - think of millikan, say. the 'eminent scientist emeritus' is, typically, a revolting specimen ☝︎

mircea_popescu: (there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display)

asciilifeform: i'm not certain that a setup built by folks who 'hate the morlocks' would be readily distinguishable from the existing one.

mircea_popescu: so today things are just a lot more fragile and that's all.

asciilifeform: well the way i read the thread, it was about hypothetical 'if these 3 folks stay home, the trains stop' vs classic sov 'i'ma be a furnace stoker instead of engineer because fuckyou'

mircea_popescu: happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?"

mircea_popescu: happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice".

BingoBoingo: Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a cultured man will eat pistol before living in porchmonkeyland

asciilifeform can't wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and comment 'you are imbecile, and reason like a slave!1111 REAL MEN can, MUST subsist on the bone marrow of their enemies! what filthy coin'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well no shit. also helps that in real life there is not a 'gulch' for them to escape to.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then.

a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners.

asciilifeform: it is a frequent pasttime of the dying, the quasi-dead, and the living dead, at least those among them who are even semi-literate

a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466517 << prisoners, when they can get hold of a pen, also do it ☝︎

asciilifeform: i dun have a thermovisor atm so can't tell for 100%.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466510 << there is a house, in a washington suburb, next to a certain restaurant that i sometimes take pet to, it has iron door and 'high voltage sign', and claims to be an electric co substation, but has normal utility wire going to it, and sometimes lights (and curtains) in the windows. i always say, 'this is cia safehouse, perhaps i can apply to be dismembered here' ☝︎

Framedragger: or maybe someone else knows, has anyone attempted http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: are you still interested in having someone deliver http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ ?

mircea_popescu: in yet another example of "security industry" being a bunch of useless scammers, "<Wise> Why is my fsecure antivirus stopping the http://logs.minigame.bz webpage in my browser claiming it´s suspect?"

phf: it actually comes up a lot, like standalone "http"'s get highlighted as links

hanbot: but i'm in a good mood.

mircea_popescu: it's great for his fucking health that if he starts running around the field packing chicken with snow he catches a cold and dies.

diana_coman: for the other if it is for a simple explanation, I'd go for the fact that many more used to die before they even reached 15 or whatever

mircea_popescu: a few generations ? that's too fast for most bacteria.

mircea_popescu: it can't change in this short a timespan.

mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then. ☟︎☟︎

diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. <- uhm, correlation ate causation much?

mircea_popescu: it's economically masked by the fact that power leverage increased with technology, exponentially - so to run a 10`000 group then you needed 1k > 100 and 100 > 110 and at least a dozen > 120, but now 3 people over 115 suffice.

hanbot: well inasmuch as liberation is a removal of filters...

mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is.

mircea_popescu: genetics have not changed in a century ; or in ten millenia for that matter.