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asciilifeform: i bet the chinese don't even have to drive the same rocket around a corner 10 times.
asciilifeform: the americans, so sad, have nfi what a real parade is!
asciilifeform: and some VERY old men pulled in a wagon thing behind a jeep
mircea_popescu: when healthy i'm in more of a scholarly form i guess.
asciilifeform wishes mircea_popescu a quick return to battle form.
mircea_popescu: there'd better be tits bouncing there i'm in a mood foul as hell
asciilifeform: well obviously not in the 'every bloke with cannon a pythagoras' sense.
asciilifeform: if you can't pgp you are a beast of the field.
mircea_popescu: since when does this "functional literacy" constitute a standard.
asciilifeform: it makes a difference precisely where the rifle does.
mircea_popescu: and that should now make a difference.
mircea_popescu: i am not convinced there's twenty people alive who know what a number is altogether, prime or not.
asciilifeform: or can't wire a light.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible position, but so is the fact that folks who don't know what a prime number is are beasts of the field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not going to import as much as a nail's dirt worth of old crap, even for all the vases in the world, be they made of glass bead or kidney stone.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473834 << eh hey i get it, sure, mircea_popescu is odoacer, and doesn't give half a rat's arse if anybody ever builds another aqueduct or blows a glass vase, esp not if it's a stinking dickless city-dwellin' pedo, etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you want to derp with dogs, buy a ranch.
mircea_popescu: "In Texas and a number of other states, it’s legal to shoot a dog if someone is “reasonably” afraid of it." << everywhgere sane, pretty much. wtf.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: https://debmcalister.com/2014/01/05/dont-tie-a-yellow-ribbon-on-your-dogs-list/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473619 << i think you have a very naive view on the matter driven perhaps by the narrow point of the samizdat experience. this was never the case, to this date most apocrypha problems are not in fact solved. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
mircea_popescu: a thanx diametric
asciilifeform: i do have the keys to a place with a rack, but it has own problems (no cooling in the summer on weekends and roof has been known to leak...)
phf is living in a tiny overpriced appartment, so assume ascii with his house has space to start tmsr space program
mircea_popescu: well his proposal was for you to have a server.
asciilifeform: i don't expect to find a massively improved commercial server anywhere, for the reasons mircea_popescu described.
mircea_popescu: even more alternatively, if you're just about ready to move out of nato and place a rack in your own basement i'm definitely just about ready to ship you the server in question. have been for a while nao.
mircea_popescu: but not before, because honestly in between a) shrug and make the engineers rewrite the software to be windows proof and b) turn off the service for another year because the world is not ready yet, even an entry level manager would know enough to pick a every time.
mircea_popescu: anyway - since i recall you itching to do it throughout the YEAR LONG outage, which in my best business judgement is not fucking acceptable, suppose you find a server, and once (and only once) you're satisfied it entirely meets your specs we move over ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would you tolerate mpex on a box like this ?
mircea_popescu: there exists no such thing as a length of rope made by the fiat world that is genuinely what it claims to be.
asciilifeform: (a few hundy)
asciilifeform: phf: that's what, a litre/second ?! what was on the boat, jet engine ?
asciilifeform: my neighbour owns a boat that, i think, has not felt the sea water in decades.
asciilifeform: even expensive trucks that have never seen a load of bricks or cement
phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read ☟︎
asciilifeform: and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: you reminded me of sov legend of some bloke who bought up a buncha 'deficit' bookz, e.g., complete dumas, and put an iron railroad bolt through the stack and then put on shelf, so guests wouldn't try to borrow'em
phf: pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay ☟︎
phf: the way i understood that old books thread is that there's no focus on building libraries, i.e. old books as an accumulation of artifacts, but where you get your own knowledge is up to you. so if ascii is keeping a collection of scanz and gives me a copy, it's both purely between us and also about ~my~ education as a cause of ascii's action
asciilifeform: (i will not dignify american school, where i went, with word 'education'. it is more of a kind of prison. where, yes, you can perhaps find the time to read books. but it is not why you are in the prison)
diana_coman: I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;
diana_coman: asciilifeform> but this is not enough, you actually need the old books. <- this was not contested really; the fact that books are dead doesn't mean that old books are all useless all of a sudden
asciilifeform: 'A collection of bitcoins worth about £8m, which had been confiscated by police in Australia, will be auctioned off in June. The 24,518 bitcoins will be sold mostly in blocks of 2,000 - each with a value of about £680,000.'
diana_coman: life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course ☟︎
asciilifeform: actually these rats find nothing more appealing than a yet-un-ratted place of clean people.
diana_coman: certainly, my point was not that cleanliness is a way of exterminating rats but rather that cleanliness is a very good indicator of whether you find rats there or not, hence whether worth bothering with some output from there or not
asciilifeform: for instance, even mircea_popescu does not seem to be able to find me a phuctor box that will stay up ☟︎
diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess ☟︎
asciilifeform: and if it were the year 1850 and a letter that comes in can be presumed to be from a learned gentlemen simply by virtue of being a letter,
asciilifeform: they impose a different kind of cost on trilema.
diana_coman: the gist of it being that rats basically do not *want* to comment on trilema for too long because they find it...very uncomfortable; so yes, they have full liberty to come and shit there and be slapped with a hammer in return, sure
asciilifeform: it is a means of authentication almost as good as pgp.
asciilifeform: and wake me up when anyone discovers a means of killing them.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
asciilifeform: do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people ☟︎
diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats ☟︎
diana_coman: well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such
asciilifeform: the sewer rats impose a considerable cost on thinking folk just by being there.
diana_coman: in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay
asciilifeform: but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture ☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that
diana_coman: hm, that links to me to some authors' observation that writing digitally destroys the quality of the writing because you can modify more easily what you write, hence they'd rather use a typewriter /write in ink as it "forces" them to think it through before writing it down
asciilifeform: likewise the expense of printing/binding (and in the age of living culture it was quite expensive) was a pretty good bozo filter.
asciilifeform: a similar effect applies to the book
asciilifeform: and generally not undertaken without a specific reason.
diana_coman: basically it's a statement of facts: books are dead people, so if you want all the good and pretty to survive, best move it already
asciilifeform: fact is, EVERYONE on planet3 who is worth so much as ~two shits~, is a child of books.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not one to normate the pleasures of others. if you're happy with her, who cares she died a while ago.
shinohai: No better way to observe memorial day than dress only in a flag.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, the specific scam in question is that ~lists~ are copyrightable no matter their components, and these cocksuckers are trying to make LISTS of ancient / public domain / copyright freee items and then perversely claim copyright in them because "it's in our list", which is a bullshit claim but then again the us entirely runs on vapors and bullshit claims.
asciilifeform: this is a disgrace.
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform we've got a whole new bidniss here!
mircea_popescu: whoa nelly that's a first factor! and of a proper exponent (65537( ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it occurs to the harem assembled in congress that there should be such a thing as "whore's dew", and it should be an after shave.
mircea_popescu: you totally need to start running a blog and stop ugc-ing your productions away to the usg.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/VcBuo << highlights from my journey to the Lands That Suck Slightly Less
asciilifeform: the bellows room would be a long ways from the audience
asciilifeform: it isn't a malignant ear-rotting sound like fan.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the dictator is a shitty pile of forced memes, unfunny as all hell. its only distinction being that the progress is show to benefit some derpy woman whose only qualification is that she's not shavign her armpits (but she's willing to drop that), whereas the only loser is the actual competent engineer ; and that peter norton is cast as yet-another-celebrity whose only utility, value and stock in trade is being u
BingoBoingo: And where did you say HE until a link to maybe was posted?
asciilifeform: you want at least a thumb-sized bullet
asciilifeform: and nobody's making a 30-06 HE, wtf
asciilifeform: i even put a kakobreklan fan in the giant ups.
shinohai: Polished turd is still a turd.
mircea_popescu: somehow the realisation that "proposing a subset could exist IS ALREADY PREDICATING you can fix things you can't actually fix, so you're begging the question something massive".
mircea_popescu: (though honestly it - esp the m4 - looked to me more like a hastily copied t-34 than anything)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ze germanz hated the russian tanks and despised the anglo tanks (sherman included). there IS a difference.
mircea_popescu: honestly, it looks more like a water hose.
mircea_popescu: the brit's idea of a tank.
mircea_popescu: (that thing always made me think of a briton's penis size, incidentally. just about right. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/IWM-KID-68-Matilda.jpg/300px-IWM-KID-68-Matilda.jpg )
mircea_popescu: this is a tracked autocannon with a 6 round burst!
mircea_popescu: these people came up with the brilliant idea of mounting an autocannon in lieu of a proper cannon on a tank chassis. which is dumb enough ; but... instead of a belt feed, they came with the even briliant-er idea of having it manually loaded, with 3 round clips.
asciilifeform: shit you wouldn't shoot a cow with.