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benkay: asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?
asciilifeform: benkay: damned if i know
asciilifeform: benkay: just sorta assuming it exists, somewhere in the aether.
BingoBoingo: If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet
jurov: just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"
jurov: ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org
ThickAsThieves: the site writing about how altcoins must die
ThickAsThieves: i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die
benkay: altcoins are great
cgcardona_: altcoins are altsome!!!
ThickAsThieves: altmazing company!
cgcardona_: I've given/taken alt that I can .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]
benkay: no seriously the kids need to play with something
BingoBoingo: jurov: I've submitted a slightly different take http://bitbet.us/propositions/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.
jurov: ohohohohooo BingoBoingo
ThickAsThieves: how does bet prove they have HIV?
ThickAsThieves: how does Magic prove he has it?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.
mircea_popescu: !up PCATLMarketing
assbot: Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
JorgePasada: Comcast needs to stop talking
JorgePasada: er, failing
JorgePasada: at talking
JorgePasada: to my modem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]
Duffer1: ;;info dexX7
gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
Duffer1: ;;gpg info dexX7
benkay: ;;gpg info dexX7
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
gribble: User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
benkay: ;;gpg info benkay
gribble: User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .
benkay: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: ;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: hmm
pankkake: just ;;rate
dexX7: thanks <3
Duffer1: thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone
Duffer1: ;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.
Duffer1: there we go
pankkake: gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not
pankkake: and the online documentation is wrong in some places
dexX7: well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?
asciilifeform: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks << great piece. this is why two common career goals of programmers are 1) quit programming 2) find work where you program alone
ozbot: Programming Sucks
mircea_popescu: http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks%20%3C yielded a 404.
mircea_popescu: which was lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: "ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.
benkay: "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?
mircea_popescu: stalin ?
benkay: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."
benkay: jesus its my life
benkay: i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard
mircea_popescu: lol pressed shitboard lives!
benkay: it's a good one
mircea_popescu: " The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.
mircea_popescu: hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.
asciilifeform: http://stilldrinking.org/me-and-the-nsa
ozbot: Me and the NSA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://stilldrinking.org/img/moi.png << and yet he looks like a schmuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!
mircea_popescu: nah, the entire assemblage collapsed
mircea_popescu: i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: "I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig
mircea_popescu: ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."
benkay: well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?
mircea_popescu: "Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."
mircea_popescu: heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.
asciilifeform: fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.
mircea_popescu: basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com
mircea_popescu: (hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)
asciilifeform: so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group
asciilifeform: literally.
asciilifeform: as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.
mircea_popescu: well ima go count some sheep.
asciilifeform: don't overflow register.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: !up Sorcier_FXK
assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
benkay: welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?
benkay: ;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Sorcier_FXK: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Sorcier_FXK | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Sorcier_FXK | Rated since: Mon Apr 7 17:15:49 2014
benkay: davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him
decimation: ascii: http://www.ussubmarines.com/submarines/seattle_1000.php3 a Diesel-electric sub for a few $10m
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]
decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54
decimation: One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
danielpbarron: TestingUnoDosTre: thanks
TestingUnoDosTre: de nada
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: weak
decimation: I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.
TestingUnoDosTre: that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea
decimation: http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.
decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI
TestingUnoDosTre: isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>
decimation: yeah, so is life
TestingUnoDosTre: great point...
decimation: Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00098463 = 13.5879 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: a worthy read. many lulz at the expense of the sec.
mike_c: http://blogmaverick.com/2014/01/21/my-first-sec-trial-transcript-has-some-real-comedy-and-a-message-to-mary-jo-white-sec-vs-schvacho/
ozbot: My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach
cazalla: TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere
TestingUnoDosTre: gracias - found out I have to become more creative
TestingUnoDosTre: .d
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: flight to amsterdam is booked!
cazalla: http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/131419.pdf old document but released today, brief mention of MPEx page 9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]
Naphex: morning
fluffypony: Naphex: morning
Naphex: morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I saw it in the log but got busy
fluffypony: I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)
HeySteve: morning
HeySteve: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/29/litecoin_hardware_spells_the_end_for_graphics_card_mining/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
mircea_popescu: holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
mircea_popescu: why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
mircea_popescu: cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said “Im the CEO of this public company and I’m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock”. That is without question material, non-public info
mircea_popescu: rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
mircea_popescu: the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
mircea_popescu: cazalla ah ty.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ghostscript can do pdf to html via via, here's a python3 snippet for it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/36700759050/converting-pdf-to-html
mircea_popescu: ty but im not running it.
mircea_popescu: someone should make a website that works just like google translate,
mircea_popescu: except it takes in pdf and spits out actual text.
fluffypony: if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
mircea_popescu: call it the deadobinator.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.
mircea_popescu: "you don't need to interact with pdfs anymore, just prefix all pdf download links with http://fluffypony.com/fuckadobe/"
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do
mircea_popescu: no rush.
fluffypony: oh wikipedia, u so meta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
mircea_popescu: nowai.
punkman: mircea_popescu: there's scribd, but it kinda sucks http://www.scribd.com/vacuum?url=
mircea_popescu: yeah not rly an improvement
punkman: I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
mircea_popescu: kik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, you know Stalker ?
Apocalyptic: I mean THE Stalker ?
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so
Apocalyptic: where did this convo take place ?
fluffypony: #zacon on Atrum
Apocalyptic: can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?
fluffypony: k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: not him
Naphex: the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
Naphex: so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]
Naphex: makes coding look like abstract art
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ok, thanks
Naphex: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lisp.jpg
fluffypony: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/silk-road-prosecutor-contradicts-irs.html?m=1
ozbot: Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money
fluffypony: so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
ThickAsThieves: seems they are trying to solve the wrong problem\
Apocalyptic: ^
ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole
ThickAsThieves: just give it its own category
ThickAsThieves: hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
ThickAsThieves: is bitcoin money? yes
ThickAsThieves: is it property? yes
ThickAsThieves: etc
ThickAsThieves: !up random_cat_
assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
random_cat_: ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
random_cat_: the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
ThickAsThieves: "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ~_~
ThickAsThieves: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
ThickAsThieves: ;;interval
gribble: 526.829268292683
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.20
fluffypony: lawl
ozbot: [XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5}
random_cat_: too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbtc
gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: SEC filing was incorrect
ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbc
gribble: 12711475.0
fluffypony: "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: interesting that they filed at all
ThickAsThieves: (i assume someone verified they did?)
ThickAsThieves: ;;obip 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
ThickAsThieves: interesting
ThickAsThieves: thats like excactly the price
ThickAsThieves: ;;baratio
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP
ThickAsThieves: word
ThickAsThieves: http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-all-that-cash-why-is-apple-borrowing-to-raise-its-dividend-and-buybacks/ this is interesting
ozbot: With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily
bounce: because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
ThickAsThieves: sorta
ThickAsThieves: in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax
ThickAsThieves: they borrow money here
ThickAsThieves: through the bond offering
ThickAsThieves: they buyback their own stock
ThickAsThieves: it's fucked up and elegant
ThickAsThieves: KnCMiner Joins Bitcoin Foundation at Platinum Level
random_cat_: CoB < E[RoE] ?
ThickAsThieves: !up princessnell_
assbot: Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.
princessnell_: thanks
ThickAsThieves: np
ThickAsThieves: if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help
ThickAsThieves: same for you random_cat_
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell fluffypony see look, you do have (software) competition! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12660/coinmyne/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
ThickAsThieves: well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
ThickAsThieves: ;)
fluffypony: it definitely does
fluffypony: and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
thestringpuller: https://hashop.io/calc/16
thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com https://hashop.io/calc/16
gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "hashop.io"
gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
thestringpuller: ~_~
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article. i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.
mike_c: good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.
thestringpuller: mike_c: is this in trilema?
mike_c: yes
thestringpuller: new article?
mike_c: yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)
ThickAsThieves: lol
thestringpuller: yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed
mike_c needs more coffee
thestringpuller: like a bed time story?!?!?
thestringpuller: why was I here again...
thestringpuller: oh yea
mike_c: absolutely. just send me 1 trilema credit.
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC
thestringpuller: WHOA
thestringpuller: HOL UP HOL UP
thestringpuller: ;;google ( .36 / 50 )
gribble: Source Four® EDLT 19˚, 26˚, 36˚, & 50˚ ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/datashts/7060L1042_S4_EDLT_Spec_Sht_vC.pdf>; Source Four® jr 36° ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/DOCS/DOCS_DOWNLOADS/DATASHTS/7062L1008_SOURCE_FOUR_JR_36_SPEC_SHT_VE.PDF>; Control Escon Page: <http://escon.maxonmotor.com/>
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.36 / 50 )
gribble: 0.0072
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 6
gribble: 0.0432
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 5
gribble: 0.036
mike_c: if you're curious, here's historical monthly JD ROI: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: nice
thestringpuller: thx
mike_c: this month was 4.4%
kakobrekla: are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]
mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there
kakobrekla: yea i just figured that out
mike_c: cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.
mike_c: aw, sheesh. fricking widget is busted. who coded this crap?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about Curren$y?
mike_c: ok, widget is fixed.
mike_c: so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets. aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.
mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: neat, mike
kakobrekla: this is neat
kakobrekla: first!!
kakobrekla checks the log
kakobrekla: fuck.
mike_c: proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.
kakobrekla: you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
kakobrekla: let it ping bb who cares
kakobrekla: its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does
mike_c: yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
mike_c: well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.
bounce: *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange". ☟︎
kakobrekla: prolly not mike_c
mike_c: but i have like, crazy traffic! BB might get swamped :D
kakobrekla: hehe
kakobrekla: on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
mike_c: but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
kakobrekla: so it should handle some beating.
mike_c: static pages are nice that way.
bounce: re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
kakobrekla: fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
mike_c: heh. nice.
ThickAsThieves: bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
ThickAsThieves: even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
bounce: I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
kakobrekla: i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
fluffypony: bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
fluffypony: we should start one
fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one
bounce: oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
fluffypony: come now
bounce: there's?
fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"
fluffypony: need we say anything more?
bounce: whosat?
fluffypony: he leads thoughts.
fluffypony: Global Coin FX
fluffypony: the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
fluffypony: bounce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 <- another *true* UK exchange
bounce: searching for that guy's name brings up this: http://www.athcon.org/about.php
bounce: yeah that's the +110
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
fluffypony: this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy
fluffypony: "Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"
fluffypony: I see
fluffypony: so that's how you become a thought leader
fluffypony makes a note
bounce: my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]
fluffypony: bounce: they sound special
fluffypony: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: thanks
the20year: yay
the20year: I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
benkay: it's not quantity but quality
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpkoyrxcbdyijtjn. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
fluffypony: the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
fluffypony: the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
benkay: uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.
mrstickball: I assumed I had L2 with assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
ThickAsThieves: !down the the20year
ThickAsThieves: !down the20year
ThickAsThieves: do it right plz!
benkay: the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: well tell me this
ThickAsThieves: what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
benkay: the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit
ThickAsThieves: well feel free to re-up i guess i made my point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?
the20year: Not here at least it seems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share
the20year: You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3}
mrstickball: the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently
the20year: Correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
the20year: So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself
the20year: You live in Ohio?
fluffypony: the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: it's not about historical ratings
benkay: I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
fluffypony: or cumulative ratings
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.
the20year: fluffypony: how?
mrstickball: benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does
BingoBoingo: the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.
fluffypony: the20year: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=POS&type=SENT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]
the20year: And your source of data boingo?
fluffypony: the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
fluffypony: once rated you'll be in assbot's L2
ThickAsThieves: <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
the20year: with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
mike_c: <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
ThickAsThieves: why are you calling it second phase?
ThickAsThieves: isnt this your 3rd or 4th offering?
benkay: sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.
the20year: Isn't that what it is?
the20year: Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing
benkay: stop.
fluffypony: mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC
BingoBoingo: the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
benkay: it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.
the20year: BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?
the20year: If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)
mrstickball: BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
BingoBoingo: the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
benkay: yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
the20year: And our fund isn't an investment because?
the20year: Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]
the20year: Makes total sense
BingoBoingo: Also, Brandon Phillips
benkay: the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
BingoBoingo: And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state
the20year: A movie?
BingoBoingo: There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3}
mrstickball: yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
bitcoinpete: gotta jet but ima leave this here:
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/
ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: as per nba clippers dude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
the20year: is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
mrstickball: I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Or other persons
mrstickball: Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5}
the20year: It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible conversation
the20year: I'm pretty sure i lost IQ
the20year: I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
mrstickball: so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?
the20year: oooh, let's get a bitbet going
benkay: the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
the20year: I'll put up 2btc
benkay: bitbet only goes out 12 mos.
the20year: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.xls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.
the20year: Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC
BingoBoingo: benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.
benkay: right. corn alcohol, not oil.
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VFopiRaXwQ
ozbot: Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube
kakobrekla: lmao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5102455&cid=46879871
ozbot: Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]
punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
Apocalyptic: kako, gotta love the Amir
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: video from http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/
ThickAsThieves: gawd...
Apocalyptic: punkman, not sure if serious or...
kakobrekla: punkman you got that from here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COisLGwnb-M
punkman: kakobrekla: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1017866/darkmarket-the-silk-road-successor-police-cant-shut-down/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name
thestringpuller: for fucks sake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: for conception's sake
punkman: Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.
punkman: this Forbes list has a lot of derp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]
jurov: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up mius
assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: yeah i left my btc wallet back home
Dimsler: no gribble auth for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
Naphex: evening
asciilifeform: from the circus:
asciilifeform: http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website
ozbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
ozbot: Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
mike_c: ^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]
mike_c: 9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :) you guys.
ThickAsThieves: just waiting for your footnote article!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]
mike_c: tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
fluffypony: http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/70257636397/im-crying-literally-crying-actual-tears-in-my
ozbot: PHP Manual Masterpieces
ThickAsThieves: i just might
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
benkay: for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device
Apocalyptic: unless it's "for teh lols"
cgcardona_: top of tha mornin #bitcoin-assets o/
fluffypony: benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?
benkay: fluffypony: i'd assume.
fluffypony: "move the mouse to generate entropy"
fluffypony: :-P
fluffypony: oh Bob Hoskins died :(
benkay: Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.cnet.com/news/yelp-now-lists-businesses-that-accept-bitcoin/
ozbot: Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/fsu-basketball-player-explains-why-jameis-winston-alleg-1569838996
ozbot: FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
ThickAsThieves: costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up daybyter
assbot: Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up jorash
assbot: Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.
daybyter: hi!
BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Hello
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
akstunt600: Thanks
BingoBoingo: You are welcome
akstunt600: hey looking for a good c developer
akstunt600: i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement
daybyter: C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]
akstunt600: yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin
akstunt600: and ASE
akstunt600: i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
daybyter: I write all my trading code in java...
BingoBoingo: Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
Naphex: java is a good tool
Naphex: great if you know how to use it, when and where
thestringpuller: java is a terrible tool
daybyter hugs Naphex
thestringpuller: Lemme run VMs in a vm so you can vm
BingoBoingo: The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
thestringpuller: Additionally why must java take so much memory?
Naphex: you can have that api layer as clean as you want
Naphex: its just a jar
BingoBoingo: Sure, but the runtime...
thestringpuller: You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
daybyter: I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...
Naphex: thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
daybyter: and a bot on a 512MB vps.
Naphex: you're suposed to do quality code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]
Naphex: don't trash, and you won't have gc problems
daybyter: the same code.
thestringpuller: Naphex: such an idealist...
punkman: can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories
thestringpuller: because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
thestringpuller: ~_~
thestringpuller: jesus
Naphex: oh man
Naphex: you guys should see enterprise software
Naphex: it's huge.
punkman: rly?
Naphex: like public transportation dispatches
Naphex: at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring
Naphex: is a blessing
daybyter: good trading software is also big...
thestringpuller: Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
thestringpuller: some like 2000 useless files
Naphex: i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough
Naphex: and servlets and ee sucks ass
thestringpuller: oracle database with tables with 300+ columns
Naphex: standalone java, ftw, and backends and such
Naphex: i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other
midnightmagic: thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust jorash
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
Naphex: boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever
daybyter: you want to work on java code?
daybyter: server included?
Naphex: you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading
Naphex: nah - i'm full
daybyter: oh... :-(
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate jorash 1 Not afraid of criticism. Thank you.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
ThickAsThieves: ah
BingoBoingo: lol
ThickAsThieves: well at least you all see it
Naphex: i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java
Naphex: so yeah
daybyter: the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
daybyter: it's an exchange then.
daybyter: but still needs a lot of work...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lol boost c++
thestringpuller: game devs love that one
Naphex: so do bitcoin devs
akstunt600: lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still
akstunt600: i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
akstunt600: I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
Mats_cd03: heyooooo
Naphex: boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)
akstunt600: Thanks
Mats_cd03: just had a dericious popover
akstunt600: i feel dumb now
akstunt600: mmmm popovers
akstunt600: yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
Naphex: plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
daybyter: I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...
daybyter: I hate eclipse...
Naphex: daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]
daybyter: I'm happy with emacs...
daybyter: and my ant build files.
Apocalyptic: should use vim
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]
akstunt600: I love VIM i used eclipse ages ago
akstunt600: Vim is much more my style
akstunt600: :-)
akstunt600: just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly
akstunt600: I used diff and cime to make this new base coin
akstunt600: Not sure i want it to be pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate
akstunt600: However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
ThickAsThieves: my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
ThickAsThieves has a heart.
fluffypony: bravery level = so
fluffypony: or
fluffypony: altruism level = so
ThickAsThieves: well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema)
ThickAsThieves: well even mircea has a code
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
FabianB: ;;ticker --all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
FabianB: ;;more
gribble: average: 445.917849754
FabianB: hmm
ThickAsThieves: ;;less
gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: ;;plenty
gribble: Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: well fine
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931
mike_c: so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.
fluffypony: bastards
fluffypony: heartless, ruthless bastards
fluffypony: messing with our dreams
FabianB: is it on any of the switchpools?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That happened a way back
mike_c: it just happened.
ThickAsThieves: there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
BingoBoingo: Really?
mike_c: last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%
ThickAsThieves: yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?
ThickAsThieves: like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit
mike_c: no, few days ago
fluffypony: "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
ThickAsThieves: it's funny considering the price has gone up
fluffypony: funnest
fluffypony: he said funnest
mike_c: BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: atc diff from blockr. note recent huge spike. http://i.imgur.com/PqdZp0B.png
ThickAsThieves: or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
mike_c: almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.
ThickAsThieves: someone is trying to kill Altcoin!
ThickAsThieves: bring back teh whalez
mike_c: indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
thestringpuller: %hash
thestringpuller: ugh whats teh command mod6
mike_c: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10
ThickAsThieves: like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners
mike_c: did you make any inquiries?
ThickAsThieves: but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs
ThickAsThieves: so i did and will continue to
thestringpuller: i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
mike_c: well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
mike_c: now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
mike_c: and could result in the same problem happenning again
mike_c: so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
mod6: thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
mike_c: hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
mod6: on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30422 Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 518 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
mod6: oop, lol
mike_c: mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?
mod6: yeah, i can add that too.
BingoBoingo: %atc_mined
atcbot: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.80
ThickAsThieves: mike_c well i'm down to help
ThickAsThieves: if we can think of a sound way to do it
ThickAsThieves: i wish to maintain my promise to never mine any
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
BingoBoingo: With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
mike_c: well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
mike_c: i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.
ThickAsThieves: maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation
mike_c: lol
ThickAsThieves: except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff
mike_c: yes. can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.
ThickAsThieves: i think stan might be good at designing membership levels
ThickAsThieves: Patron of the Motherland
ThickAsThieves: or somesuch
fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Yes
fluffypony: ok
fluffypony: in terms of multi-pools
fluffypony: why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?
fluffypony: they're both half a dozen of one, six of another
fluffypony: but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
mike_c: one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14}
fluffypony: mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat
fluffypony: *manipulate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/30/1822209/openssh-no-longer-has-to-depend-on-openssl
ozbot: OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot
mike_c: yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe
mod6: ok quick atcbot restart here.
ThickAsThieves: well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
ThickAsThieves: it was chosen arbitrarily intentionally dammit!
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}
mod6: blah blah blah %h
mod6: %h
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
fluffypony: good job mod6
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: thx fluffypony
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Spondoolies
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: seems so
BingoBoingo: I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.
fluffypony: what I mean is
fluffypony: I haven't got one in my hands
fluffypony: :-P
rithm: go away assbot you are drunk
rithm: !down danilepbarron
rithm: !down danielpbarron
assbot: rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.
rithm: why not assbot
rithm: you suck
mike_c: BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?
danielpbarron: ??
mike_c: or, 'someone'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.
benkay: should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
benkay: ghash.io?
danielpbarron: !down rithm
assbot: danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.
benkay: nope.
danielpbarron: lol
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.
rithm: would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron
mike_c: these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/
danielpbarron: rithm: no
danielpbarron: rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game
rithm: i just listen now because assbot
rithm: assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.
mike_c: yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
mike_c: pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"
fluffypony: AntMiner has an extremely positive perception
mike_c: 112bit's thread: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/antminer-s1-u-s-868-u2-x-500-u-s-8550-bitmain-for-usa-112bit-com.255811/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}
danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: yes, keybase.io
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: right, that's what i'm referring to
danielpbarron: what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account
asciilifeform: keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right
danielpbarron: you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting
danielpbarron: the concept can be done independantly
fluffypony: asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only
fluffypony: so I'm told
danielpbarron: you can
asciilifeform: how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me
danielpbarron: lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it
asciilifeform: or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'
danielpbarron: w/e
asciilifeform: of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever
danielpbarron: it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users
danielpbarron: you could issue a twitter revocation message
danielpbarron: your GPG key wouldn't be compromised
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)
punkman: nonsense
pankkake: if only namecoin didn't solve all that already
pankkake: perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io
fluffypony: nameco.in ?
danielpbarron: that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now
fluffypony: domain hacks are all the rage
danielpbarron: or was that sarcasm?
punkman: isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
pankkake: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake
ozbot: NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID
pankkake: except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone
pankkake: and (omg) it's decentralized
danielpbarron: why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!
danielpbarron: and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site
danielpbarron: i had already reserved id/dpb :D
pankkake: :)
punkman: how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
pankkake: 1.8G
BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up dR3
assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup
assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/03/25/phoenix-mickey-pit-bull-fate/6879191/
ozbot: Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life
mircea_popescu: ooo look at all the blinking lights
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that was unexpected
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr
mircea_popescu: myeah.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu !
BigBitz: Where is my assbot trust!
ThickAsThieves: assbot trusts no one
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot BigBitz
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
mircea_popescu: there it is.
BigBitz: pesky assbot!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/elizabeth-raine_n_5227509.html
ozbot: Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics
fluffypony: BigBitz you've had L2 since forever
BigBitz: fluffypony dat L2.
BigBitz: ;;rated fluffypony
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..
fluffypony: forrizzle
ThickAsThieves: such photoshopping
mircea_popescu: BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up
BigBitz: <3
fluffypony: <5
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I did :P
BigBitz: I am +v
mircea_popescu: a ok wd.
BigBitz: ty ty
ThickAsThieves: "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: [00:25:28] <CampJustice> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel
fluffypony: now he'll be famous
BigBitz: Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.
mircea_popescu: lol he has a point.
asciilifeform: there's a 'fetish component'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once
asciilifeform: same idea
ThickAsThieves: does it include proof of hymen?
asciilifeform: damned if i know, ask the client.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: meh
mircea_popescu: actulaly some do.
mircea_popescu: plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
asciilifeform: in same countries, also get stitching op
ThickAsThieves: maybe she has butt sex daily
asciilifeform: 'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,
asciilifeform: antibody-based test.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
asciilifeform: would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber
ThickAsThieves: my first gf was such
asciilifeform: as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.
ThickAsThieves: all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
asciilifeform: perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."
ThickAsThieves: well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time
ThickAsThieves: my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it
ThickAsThieves: she was ostracized basically
mircea_popescu: hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: aty
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
asciilifeform: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'
JorgePasada: I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
fluffypony: JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
fluffypony: but pankkake hates altcoins
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt
fluffypony: he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth
JorgePasada: fluffypony: which ones and why?
asciilifeform: but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada seems a safe bet.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
mircea_popescu: or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
fluffypony: JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
asciilifeform: because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?
mircea_popescu: hehe. peer pressure ftw.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC
ThickAsThieves: i ended up ditching the peers too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yea
fluffypony: asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Proof of Shit
mircea_popescu: holy shit it nearly made 1%
mircea_popescu: fluffypony explain the idea to me.
asciilifeform: proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!
ThickAsThieves: kobecoin
mircea_popescu: lol tepescoin
JorgePasada: Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?
kakobrekla: correct
mircea_popescu: ty
JorgePasada: Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
mircea_popescu: so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight. ☟︎
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake
fluffypony: goddamn /me
JorgePasada: the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)
fluffypony: JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list
asciilifeform: i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idem.
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion
asciilifeform: it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'
asciilifeform: which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'
mircea_popescu: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/bitcoin_beer/
ozbot: Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED
BingoBoingo: ^^ the20year mrstickball
mircea_popescu: ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
BingoBoingo: It has been for most of its history.
mircea_popescu: that apparently only they know about.
BingoBoingo: Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
joecool: well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go
mircea_popescu: anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?
joecool: unless you're a sex offender
mircea_popescu: joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
joecool: typical ohio resident https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2472256766/Picture_2.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!
BingoBoingo: http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/29/us_commando_mission_in_philippines_getting_overhaul
ozbot: U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul
kakobrekla: yes its amazing
mircea_popescu: me ♥ mike
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan
mircea_popescu: i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.
asciilifeform: ☭.
fluffypony: 🇮🇹
ThickAsThieves: JorgePosada, but like, who are you?
asciilifeform: fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)
ThickAsThieves: JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)
mircea_popescu: what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
asciilifeform: shards of the true cross.
mircea_popescu: the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
ThickAsThieves: word
ThickAsThieves: just making sure you arent some kinda crazy
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.
mircea_popescu: everyone wants to fucking push the rope.
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ok-glass-how-much-do-you-really-cost/
ThickAsThieves: mp i think the20year is in the wot no?
ThickAsThieves: just no one will rate him?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo
mircea_popescu: so you're a fart ?
fluffypony: entreprefart
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
fluffypony: entreprefeurt
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
fluffypony: "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
fluffypony: I see
fluffypony: a Google Doc = transparency
mircea_popescu: first ever transparency.
fluffypony: HAH HAH
fluffypony: from _mr_e
fluffypony: "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate
mircea_popescu: one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
mircea_popescu: thought leader, i can see.
fluffypony: assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"
fluffypony: every time someone says thought
joecool: mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool
mircea_popescu: fluffypony or leader.
mircea_popescu: joecool like which ?
mircea_popescu: polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?
BingoBoingo: Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed
joecool: mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
fluffypony: someone pitch it to kako
mircea_popescu: aok
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
joecool: it's the hipster way™
BingoBoingo: I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
mircea_popescu: joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.
mircea_popescu: my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
mircea_popescu: !up napedia
assbot: Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]
joecool: BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
mircea_popescu: i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
joecool: BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
mircea_popescu: the curse of success.
mircea_popescu: you end up trying to replicate it.
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
fluffypony: bed time noa, night guys
mircea_popescu: this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he
mircea_popescu: every night, too.
BingoBoingo: Srsly
Naphex: well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
BingoBoingo: Sleep all at once and get it over with
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: six hours should be enough for everyone.
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/31e6bdedcfbe81dea88919d5c48162c9/tumblr_mxxmb6GLgJ1riu9eco1_500.png
mircea_popescu: that shit's epic.
Naphex: lol
Naphex: strlen for hashing functions
Naphex: thats the joke ;]
mircea_popescu: bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.
BingoBoingo: Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust jorash
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
mircea_popescu: yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
BingoBoingo: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/moral-police-your-checking-account-chase-bank-shuts-down-accounts-adult
mircea_popescu: my articles are fair and balanced
ozbot: The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers |
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
mircea_popescu: atc is handling it way better than the average.
mircea_popescu: "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
mircea_popescu: a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
mike_c: "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
mircea_popescu: not for this reason.
mike_c: bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%
mircea_popescu: let the coin write its own history, what.
mircea_popescu: remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
mircea_popescu: i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
mircea_popescu: in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
mike_c: yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?
mircea_popescu: afaik he mines lol.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
mircea_popescu: %book
atcbot: 35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156
mircea_popescu: doesn't look worrisome yet.
mike_c: re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.
mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
mike_c: it was some good quotes from the trial though.
mircea_popescu: mike_c definitely.
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
JorgePasada: all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation
mircea_popescu: look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: most kids don't get to. that's life.
mircea_popescu: same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
JorgePasada: Buyers/speculators are essential to market health
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
JorgePasada: agent agnostic in what sense?
JorgePasada: I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
JorgePasada: Following up to here
JorgePasada: It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
JorgePasada: Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)
JorgePasada: Explain further on that comment
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mircea_popescu: i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
mircea_popescu: "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
JorgePasada: Yeah
JorgePasada: The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
JorgePasada: the subjectivity of value
mircea_popescu: more like the preminence of pattern over intent.
JorgePasada: and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside