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pete_dushenski: https://imgur.com/gallery/xRtBd << heh. 'niggermancer'.
assbot: Green text adventure - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1kVRq4v )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00049683 = 19.3267 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: !up brg444
BingoBoingo: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MPXkxXMOGW0/VPu7vanbYCI/AAAAAAAAE7M/EVa5obvbQFw/s1600/speed.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NREH9y )
brg444: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331575 have you been there pete_duchenski ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 00:09:08; pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec
brg444: oops
brg444: pete_dushenski **
pete_dushenski: lol quebec city ? ya, i've been there.
pete_dushenski: though i'm definitely due to go back.
pete_dushenski: brg444: you been ?
brg444: I live there!
pete_dushenski: ha!
pete_dushenski: brg444: well how's winter been treating you thus far ?
brg444: well temperature today was in the 50s so can't really call it winter yet
brg444: not an inch of snow anywhere too
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 352.38, vol: 35567.26770237 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 343.092, vol: 28729.8976 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 353.06, vol: 78502.26452297 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 343.0, vol: 6.63353917 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 352.682, vol: 115651.17090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 350.56001, vol: 115.79862027 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 346.696002011, vol: 350.09485251 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 351.681730941
brg444: strange thing this "global warming" ^^
BingoBoingo: Monday we had some snowflakes here. Today it was nearly 70. Typical weather for this region.
pete_dushenski: brg444: wtf get your fahrenheit outta here. unless quebec turned into bagdad since i last visited !
pete_dushenski: but edmonton just had its first snow this week. bizarrely tardy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30504 @ 0.00050277 = 15.3365 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo a fan of using all the temperature scales without specifying the scale, kelvin exempt.
BingoBoingo: kelvin for the next few hundred thousand years is too outlier to troll people by using it to describe weather
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17676 @ 0.00050473 = 8.9216 BTC [+] {5}
brg444: tbf I'm certainly not complaining, last winter was around coldest on record so can't say I'm too anxious to revisit this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00050745 = 5.0491 BTC [+]
brg444: btw pete_dushenski was reading your last article on contravex. great stuff as usual but noticed a typo, if you care: 2nd "exclusivity" should be "exclusive"?
pete_dushenski: right you are ! thx.
pete_dushenski: and fxd.
BingoBoingo: Oh, pete_dushenski made a bingo
pete_dushenski: bahaha so it would seem
pete_dushenski: what do i win ?
pete_dushenski: or does only first bingo win...
BingoBoingo: You win getting to type "fxd" in chan
brg444: might as well mention "c'est à dire" should really be "c'est-à-dire"...
pete_dushenski: so it is. i blame my sources..
brg444: I was always curious, where did you pick up this french from?
pete_dushenski: this french ? like my french or the quote ?
brg444: sorry, yes, your french
pete_dushenski: aha. i attended french immersion through to grade 5, which really isn't much, but my mother also grew up on montreal and we spoke a bit of french at home. i've also visited montreal at least once a year since i was born, so i've always had a bit of a refresher when out in public. lastly, i joined a french-catholic choir last year and they speak and write in french exclusively.
pete_dushenski: that, plus some spanish classes in high school helped to flesh out my latin-language base.
pete_dushenski: i also have a couple friends who also attended french immersion, but through to grade 12, and we occasionally exchange a few sentences, which is better than nothing :)
pete_dushenski: and now, as i speak it out loud to mein heir on a daily basis, i'm practicing more than i have since i was 10 years old !
pete_dushenski: !up brg444
brg444: that's great. I guess that's better than 99% of english speaking canada can pretend to
pete_dushenski: that's a plausible enough figure :)
brg444: I'm guessing you also dared take the plunge into the literature as well? (Bastiat, etc.)
pete_dushenski: my delving into french literature thus far has been pretty limited, a bit of verne and exupery mostly.
pete_dushenski: i'm off for now. bon soir, les gars !
brg444: Bonne soirée!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16076 @ 0.00050765 = 8.161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37603 @ 0.00050733 = 19.0771 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/ ☟︎
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/2DbGuuq.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Th4ywk )
ben_vulpes: "the continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue..."
mircea_popescu: accretion eh ?
mircea_popescu: "The continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue to further weaken their already anemic vestiges of autonomy." << this needs to be 5 words.
mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name ☟︎
punkman: https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female"
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lN0Hfg )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.49980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47341 @ 0.0005016 = 23.7462 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050787 = 12.0619 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: https://i.imgur.com/NlM8mjk.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lkVqv1 )
punkman: @freenodestaff We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17281 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7202 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28546 @ 0.00050805 = 14.5028 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050461 = 14.5328 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00050126 = 19.474 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48096 @ 0.00050812 = 24.4385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1982 @ 0.00050879 = 1.0084 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/ ☟︎
assbot: Police plants own computers in Freenet, log IPs, makes arrest | Hacker 10 – Security Hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyneJb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26156 @ 0.00050879 = 13.3079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu doesn't remember which group of snakeoil salesmen were pushing "freenet".
mircea_popescu: in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ?
mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332379 << disObesified ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 04:57:01; mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name
mircea_popescu: cool
BingoBoingo: From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them."
mircea_popescu: the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only.
BingoBoingo: Sure, just amazing how much retardation accretes on every side of derpdom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00050879 = 23.0991 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.01, Best ask: 360.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 360.2, 24 hour volume: 44791.1190569, 24 hour low: 343.02, 24 hour high: 367.0, 24 hour vwap: None
adlai: volume has gone negative in china; vwap ceases to be a thing
BingoBoingo now REALLY feeling like this is fall 2012 all over again
BingoBoingo: Orly?
BingoBoingo: Just like 2012, china was a thing beyond Asicminer derping about shares
BingoBoingo: *wasn't a thing
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 359.88, vol: 16441.97519367 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.985, vol: 16606.57364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.02, vol: 44654.80891705 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 345.01, vol: 3.25111645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 360.332457, vol: 91406.01980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 360.70977, vol: 103.14388238 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 360.264, vol: 122.36772408 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 359.191266508
mircea_popescu: best show on earth huh BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Bitcoin is great entertainment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050878 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00050531 = 13.0623 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !UP jurov
jurov: hi
jurov: seems my bouncer was hanging on holmes.freenode.net alone for half a day
jurov: i came and noone was there on any chan
mircea_popescu: i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan
BingoBoingo: Seems there is ddos
felipelalli: guys of Qntra.net, have you seen that? https://lifars.com/2015/11/4973/
felipelalli: where is the "hide my ass"?
felipelalli: I have to go, see you my Oracle!
trinque: speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again
trinque: some days, fleanode...
mircea_popescu: you can always write it up felipelalli
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle!
felipelalli: *I have = I have to have to...
mircea_popescu: so go for it.
mircea_popescu: this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work".
jurov: felipelalli: worst what can happen is.... someone will tell you something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00050531 = 6.1941 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/#comment-78502
assbot: North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvCyDn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3131 @ 0.00050057 = 1.5673 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00049791 = 14.5982 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << related ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large - http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00050418 = 20.6462 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/
assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005052 = 6.7192 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: BingoBoingo: deedbot- already did it
BingoBoingo: jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update.
jurov: oh corpses were updated
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition
trinque: damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions.
phf: jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject
BingoBoingo: trinque: Could be just angry over political health clinic spam
trinque: lol
trinque: poor guy's @aol.com overfloweth
jurov: phf but it's std::map not some boostism
jurov: are you telling me boost modifiest std:: stuff behavior?
phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status ☟︎
phf: jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data
jurov: ikr? but i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work
jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called ☟︎
phf: jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx
phf: but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening.
phf: last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26152 @ 0.0005052 = 13.212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050723 = 7.4816 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44932 @ 0.0005095 = 22.8929 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24468 @ 0.00051032 = 12.4865 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too... ☟︎
phf: jurov: can paste file:line for those?
jurov: just grep "static map" and "static set" yourself
phf: kk
jurov: O.o how is it possible to have static variable inside if statement?
phf: jurov: by the way, in addition to static things, there's also top level globals
jurov: you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much
phf: what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00051202 = 4.3117 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
jurov: i mean both, generally
jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: hello
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332485 << quite exactly ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 23:02:04; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this
phf: jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use.
ascii_field: every tx received eats a measurable qty of ram which is NEVER reclaimed
jurov: phf i know!
ascii_field: in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator)
ascii_field: this results in fiery crash
ascii_field: because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit
ascii_field: (there is not a safe way to forget a tx)
jurov: yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did
ascii_field: and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost
phf: jurov: i thought you said that it did get called? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332468 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
ascii_field: i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens
jurov: phf yes but that were stack operations. i then filtered them
phf: jurov: ah k
jurov: and how does the map know there are outstanding references?
ascii_field: phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition)
ascii_field: it did not work.
ascii_field: jurov: outstanding references ?
jurov: or why does it not destroys the transactions
ascii_field: clear doesn't invoke destructors
ascii_field: just nukes the map
ascii_field: but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash.
jurov: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0"
assbot: map::clear - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSOYs4 )
ascii_field: the CONTAINER
ascii_field: of size 0
ascii_field: the ELEMENTS of the map are destroyed
ascii_field: that is to say, the key-value pairs
ascii_field: not the objects point to by the values.
phf: there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop?
ascii_field: me.
phf: ah and that does the crash?
ascii_field: yes. ☟︎
phf: kk
ascii_field: go, try.
ascii_field: this is a 10 minute experiment.
ascii_field: incidentally it isn't a locking bug either
ascii_field: i did try locking the removal
ascii_field: the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero
ascii_field: my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite.
ascii_field: not so i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in
ascii_field: but if other folks want to take their turn in the manhole - sure, why not...
ascii_field: jurov, phf: i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME
ascii_field: i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon
jurov: CInPoint refers to CTransaction, thus mapNextTx should be erased before mapTransactions
ascii_field: but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive
jurov: the jettison patch had it the other way
ascii_field: jurov: didja try this ?
jurov: did you? i'm still putting it all together
ascii_field: iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool
ascii_field: in my last experiment
jurov: yes, but was mapNextTx deallocated at that time?
ascii_field: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0514
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332399 << l0l where didja think it went?? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 16:39:23; mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 15:34:04; punkman: http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/
ascii_field: the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!'
phf: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332373 << this kind of thing is about usg getting ~stronger~ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 03:49:58; deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/
ascii_field: usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln.
ascii_field: !s gendarmerie
assbot: 24 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie
ascii_field: ^ part of this, but certainly not all
punkman: freenet design makes a lot more sense than tor
punkman: who knows what horrors lie in its source code though
ascii_field: it was a 'fortress built to fall'
ascii_field: punkman: what about it makes more sense ?
punkman: ascii_field: static content for example
ascii_field: borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores;
ascii_field: '
punkman: also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc
trinque: wtf
jurov: ascii_field: you meant this? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6it9 )
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6nx5 )
mod6: ah, nm
mod6: if you get that igprof patch working jurov, let me know.
ascii_field: jurov: aha
mod6: i think mine compiled ok with it.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 385653 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None