mircea_popescu: no he's not.

mircea_popescu: "Though these rules against testing are only DEA "guidelines" (we do not believe they are part of any law or publicly available official policy), representatives of at least one lab we spoke with have been threatened with having their license revoked after participating in research the DEA didn't like. Since DEA licensing is required in order to handle Schedule I substances, labs that work with such chemicals are under

mircea_popescu: standably reticent to risk their livelihood by going against these guidelines."

mircea_popescu: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml

mircea_popescu: well lsd in particular is quite lulzy for a schedule i substance

mircea_popescu: seeing how it's about as harmful as aspirin.

mircea_popescu: aspirin documentedly gives you ulcer, and there are some rare liver failure modes.

mircea_popescu: lsd has neither as far as anyone knows.

mircea_popescu: random_cat reye's syndrome, kids under 12ish aren't prescribed aspiring if they ahve a fever because of it.

mircea_popescu: but it doesn't get better than "kids" because we don't actually have a clue wtf causes it.

mircea_popescu: paracetamol.

mircea_popescu: which also gives you liver failure in some cases :D

mircea_popescu: not quite.

mircea_popescu: paracetamol is a quite feasible if unpleasant way to do yourself in.

mircea_popescu: i recall it made my list of "ways to kill yourself".

mircea_popescu: ahah! so my lawyer went and picked his vinyard, and so he sent me 20 liters of however you call the pre-wine juice thing.

mircea_popescu: who said lawyers are assholes ?

mircea_popescu: pankkake http://trilema.com/2010/viata-suge-cum-ne-omoram/

mircea_popescu: "life sucks, how do we kill ourselves". and it does include both considerations.

mircea_popescu: everything good happens in that language.

mircea_popescu: la vie est ailleurs & le cool c'est autre part!

mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the juice called in english anyweay

mircea_popescu: :p

mircea_popescu: yes.

mircea_popescu: wait, it's must in english ?!

mircea_popescu: it's must in romanian too.

mircea_popescu: til. ty.

mircea_popescu: well it does come from latin

mircea_popescu: to which currently spoken romanian is pretty much the best extant reflection.

mircea_popescu: anyway. i am drinking underage merlot!

mircea_popescu: sprightly more like it.

mircea_popescu: well since we're doing this entire "let's teach mp vintnery terms in english as if the english speaking world even makes wine",

mircea_popescu: how do you call the special large glass bottles you move must in ?

mircea_popescu: demijohn!

mircea_popescu: ha! ahaha.

mircea_popescu: ye

mircea_popescu: :D

mircea_popescu: damigeana in romania.

mircea_popescu: random_cat weren't you making beer at some point ?

mircea_popescu: pankkake sorta like the monthly reports mpex has been mandating since i dunno, 2011 ?

mircea_popescu: random_cat your equipments are dissapoint!

mircea_popescu: yeah well...

mircea_popescu: ;;google accounting for the nonzero asset corporation

mircea_popescu: the stuff google dregs up

mircea_popescu: random_cat that's the fiat standard. useless.

mircea_popescu: fiat is this outmoded government-captive currency surogate.

mircea_popescu: dyxlasics

mircea_popescu: pankkake it's an old idea. borne principally by the observation that *it would have made sense* for it to be thus optimised.

mircea_popescu: jurov because these are largely contrary requirements i imagine/

mircea_popescu: ugly fucking font.

mircea_popescu: here's an idea : if they can make cameras capable of reading passing car plates at night without failing,

mircea_popescu: they'd better fix the fucking ocr rather than expect me to undertake the slightest inconvenience.

mircea_popescu: also that 1973 thing TRIEd to be a trend and a standard at least three times and failed every time.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha kickass.

mircea_popescu: yeah it aggregates trades. thankfully.

mircea_popescu: gone are the days of jigs being up.

mircea_popescu: fn ?

mircea_popescu: the {4} is how many lines got aggregated.

mircea_popescu: something like that

mircea_popescu: Fillibert Nickletackler

mircea_popescu: it's some famous somalian.

mircea_popescu: reading that pdf from earlier... basically environment concern trolling.

mircea_popescu: companies should asses in advance random arbitrary burden the socialist governments of the world might impose on them, because why not.

mircea_popescu: quite equal with requiring jews to disclose to the camp guards the health risk of living in the camp.

mircea_popescu: not enough usagis ?

mircea_popescu: "Denial of emerging hazards such as global warming. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "

mircea_popescu: herp. i knew i was gonna run into that. refusal to submit to an attempt to create a larger market for the mafia interest through liberal application of bad science should be disclosed as a liability!!1

mircea_popescu: we need bitcoin death squads, for when these types idiots start showing up here.

mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr raging them on the forum only goes that far.

mircea_popescu: global warming ain't real for the same reason black reparations ain't real.

mircea_popescu: because nonsense.

mircea_popescu: dub dead serious. global warming is basically a bunch of politicos consipiring to attack legitimate scientists

mircea_popescu: absolutely no "entire scientific community"

mircea_popescu: hey, one day you get to work and discover the "entire dub workplace community" has decided dub now has to put condoms on ethernet cables.

mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what's going in. who the fuck asked the coffee gofer.

mircea_popescu: it's kind of shocking to me someone can sit there and posture as if "science", on the basis of fifty years worth of geological measurements thart were extrapolated backwards to create a dataset that's then extrapolated forwards in time.

mircea_popescu: what the fuck already, this is cognitive dissonance.

mircea_popescu: you have conspiracy and fraud proven among the proponents, you have clear motive, you know its scientifically unsound, what's left really ? leftism ?

mircea_popescu: yes dub.

mircea_popescu: what did you think it was, 50k years ?

mircea_popescu: so then it... doesn't go longer than that.

mircea_popescu: earth is 4.5 bn years old. the average house exists for 45 years. making predictions of future earth temperatures based on 50 years sample is not unlike making prediction of house temperatures based on a number of measurements taken during the span of a half second.

mircea_popescu: you have to be one of the redditards who earnestly believe the world started with roosevelt to actually imagine this can be "science" in some manner.

mircea_popescu: i have.

mircea_popescu: fortunately i have access to actual scientists, as opposed to us govt stoogies.

mircea_popescu: pankkake it was global warming up until it became obvious a global cooling is morel ikely on the short (ie, centuries) term

mircea_popescu: at which point it morphed back into the nonspecific "bad things" the religious mind enjoys.

mircea_popescu: we will have hurricanes, floods and obvioujsly, it will rain frogs.

mircea_popescu: and i shall be turned into a pillar of salt for doubting the word of "science"

mircea_popescu: TomServo yes.

mircea_popescu: at issue is not the period where any trace whatsoever of some sort of measurement can be found.

mircea_popescu: at issue is the period during which systemtatic measurements were taken, which roughly starts with ww2 and the interest in aviation it spurred.

mircea_popescu: dub note that the onus is on you to prove your putative fish is a fish,

mircea_popescu: not on me to demonstrate some shapeless item is not a fish.

mircea_popescu: dude get out. even saying "carbon" is about as illiterate as it gets.

mircea_popescu: we're discussing carbon DIOXIDE ? or what exactly ?

mircea_popescu: so jesus saves or what was it ?

mircea_popescu: fucking intellectually lazy slobs, thinking in terms of social proof and soundbytes. "carbon". herp.

mircea_popescu: labcoatman says you should drink more fluoride.

mircea_popescu: TomServo im not throwing it out. i am merely observing you can't, from a scientific perspective, put too much weight on it.

mircea_popescu: statistics is often used to lie, especially because correct sampling is so rarely understood by the common people.

mircea_popescu: that objection aside, even accwepting a 150 year term, blind to the fact that people in 1850 had such bad instrumentation most ofg their other measurements in chemistry are significantly off etc, you're still barely up to a second and a half rather than half a second.

mircea_popescu: fine. take the other end. radative power from the sun ? 1.38 kW per sqyare meter. human energy consumption ? 0.033 W per square meter (all uses)

mircea_popescu: which of the two is more likely to be influencing energetic balance ?

mircea_popescu: dub why are you strawmaning it ?

mircea_popescu: pankkake not a bad read. remarkable how we don't hear anything about the ozone layer these days.

mircea_popescu: we managed to save that, i take it ?

mircea_popescu: dub is your estimation that we have managed to save the ozone layer through concerted effort of industry, regulators and consumers over the 80s and 90s ?

mircea_popescu: "Rhetoric that mixes science with the tropes of eschatological panic. When the argument for theory X slides from “theory X is supported by evidence” to “a terrible catastrophe looms over us if theory X is true, therefore we cannot risk disbelieving it”, you can be pretty sure that X is junk science. Consciously or unconsciously, advocates who say these sorts of things are trying to panic the herd into stampedin

mircea_popescu: g rather than focusing on the quality of the evidence for theory X."

mircea_popescu: this is pretty good. any sort of eschatology is outright and for that reason not science.

mircea_popescu: when the proponents start implying other people are the jesus freaks it's pretty far gone.

mircea_popescu: dub so basically... why are we not working on that then ? i recall the exact rethoric from the exact people twenty years ago about the ozone layer.

mircea_popescu: if the problem isn't solved, and it's genuinely what it was presented to be, why have we moved on ?

mircea_popescu: dub it is. the problem is you're the flat earth "scientist"

mircea_popescu: kay.

mircea_popescu: lewicki trade count.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: well by that rationale the best solution to this entire global warming junk science rthing would be getting the media to stfu about it already

mircea_popescu: and move on to aids epidemic or the nigger violence gene or w/e

mircea_popescu: i could certainly do with a different set of pretend-scientists reaching "consensus"es

mircea_popescu: something new to laugh at.

mircea_popescu: the thing is this : stupidity should be dispersed. when stupidity concentrates, intelligent people feel the vauge cramp of "we shoulsd maybe try help these idiots ?"

mircea_popescu: which is why i even bother pointing out the obvious re "global warming".

mircea_popescu: it's fucking ridiculous by now.

mircea_popescu: what's esr ?

mircea_popescu: o, pankkake's link ?

mircea_popescu: hm. is this some recognised party in the entire dispute ?

mircea_popescu: i have no idea, i don't noprmally follow the nonsense.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i quoted the paragraph on its own merits, irrespective of author.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla options will be usefukl fo sho

mircea_popescu: dub your objection just was that some random dork doesnt LOOK like a scientist ?

mircea_popescu: omfg he should be in asic mining.

mircea_popescu: pankkake inasmuch as that is emphatically not science.

mircea_popescu: dub o the cathedral/bazaar dude, i remember.

mircea_popescu: If you don’t have a generative account of why your formulas and coupling constants look the way they do (a generative account which itself makes falsifiable predictions), you’re not doing science – you’re doing numerology.

mircea_popescu: that's also solid.

mircea_popescu: dub here, have feynman saying substantially the same stuff http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm

mircea_popescu: VanCleef a generation of kids that grew up being told they're special at home, at school and on tv moves on to be told it's "exceptional" by the politicians.

mircea_popescu: hitler can not be possibly far behind, i've yet to see worhtless shits with delusions of grandeur simply bowing down into the dirt without a fight.

mircea_popescu: "You will never go wrong betting against Paul Ehrlich. " ahaha ok.

mircea_popescu: VanCleef you ever did a jewish girl ?

mircea_popescu: pankkake only if you're not a pig.

mircea_popescu: dub no, they're unrelated. the science is wrong ; there is unscientific interest to make it stick anyway.

mircea_popescu: no, it's a lie because stupidity. it is being promoted because money.

mircea_popescu: "No self-respecting scientist would ever utter a phrase like “the science is settled” or try to demonize dissenters." << this is kinda lulzy, seeing how i seem to recall 1900s physics being "A settled field"

mircea_popescu: "As soon as AGW mutated to Anthropogenic Climate Change the whole show should have been laughed off the stage and all the players terminated (tenured or not)." < now this is the case.

mircea_popescu: i don't recall any tenured professor being canned for not being competent. apparently the only way to get offed is fucking a student or something.

mircea_popescu: VanCleef you'll have to ask her

mircea_popescu: also ask her.

mircea_popescu: he did ?

mircea_popescu: !ticker h "TAT-XBOND"

mircea_popescu: odd.

mircea_popescu: use dots rather than lines anyway, and postfix rather than prefix

mircea_popescu: jurov o i c

mircea_popescu: that good huh

mircea_popescu: no, her nose actually is that sexy.

mircea_popescu: course i suspect it's a frenchie thing.

mircea_popescu: since it was mentioned, in case kids at home are using this to supplant their government-funded-therefore-absent education :

mircea_popescu: The “ozone hole” is a naturally occurring result of atmospheric dynamics over Antarctica. Mainly the result of lack of sunlight in winter (remember ozone is made from O2 by UV light). The reason it was worse and has gotten smaller is that the scare was during the eruption of an antarctic volcano that was blasting enormous amounts of chlorine into the upper atmosphere. CFCs had nothing to do with it, being so stable

mircea_popescu: and dense that little, if any, ever made it into the upper atmosphere. In fact, chlorides from wind-driven salt spray are a far larger constituent of atmospheric chlorine than CFCs ever were. Also, over the US where much of the CFCs were being released the amount of UV reaching the ground was decreasing during the same period (as the “ozone hole” was being fear-mongered).

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it got 1. everyone to buy a new set of fridges and acs, narrowly avoiding a depression and 2) rube countries that were just edging itno the tehcnology to compete were knocked back off the block.

mircea_popescu: same thing being done with lighbulbs currently, god forbid poor africans end up with homebrew industry and do the whole azn thing.

mircea_popescu: the text off http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3974&cpage=1#comment-343643

mircea_popescu: its contents broadly matches my own memory of the entire debacle.

mircea_popescu: lewicki i don't consider the epa an authority in any field.

mircea_popescu: dub indeed.

mircea_popescu: that's fine.

mircea_popescu: lewicki well let's start with something basic. what's the atomic mass of a cpc molecule ? (any one, at your choice)

mircea_popescu: cfc even

mircea_popescu: no dub, the situation is not equivalent.

mircea_popescu: you construct appeals to authority and attempts at social proof. i shrug and point at numbers.

mircea_popescu: lewicki if you're not working with molecular sciences with me you can go read whatever you wish wherever you wish to read it.

mircea_popescu: im not a wikipedian. i am a human being.

mircea_popescu: dub recall the 50 / 150 year problem ? TomServo picked up on it. you failed to do so.

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: hence the situation is not equivalent.

mircea_popescu: nope. that'd be the strawmaning part of the entire thing i glossed over, but i guess you can add it to appeal to authority and social proofing.

mircea_popescu: maybe they could make a ripple based carbon thingee.

mircea_popescu: so people all over the world could trade their and their friends' carbon with each other.

mircea_popescu: maybe zynga could implement it.

mircea_popescu: since i'm reading up on this : "In 1928 they improved the synthesis of CFCs and demonstrated their usefulness for such a purpose and their stability and nontoxicity. Kettering patented a refrigerating apparatus to use the gas"

mircea_popescu: guess what ?! CFC became very bad a thing just as patent on them was expiring.

mircea_popescu: what "we" and what 10s of millenia data is that ?!

mircea_popescu: lewicki it's a sampling problem. the same problem you eschewed earlier, as i was about to ask you if you know enough math to model the average concentration of gas A in the top tenth of a recipient holding a mixture of A and B where A is 10x as heavy as B.

mircea_popescu: wehen you say things like "if x bombs go off at the samer time" you're displaying exactly the misunderstanding of sampling in question : nobody guarantgees you that second is going to be exactly the second when the bombs go off.

mircea_popescu: which is exactly the problem with "washing" data, such as trying to extract temperature records from soil samples.

mircea_popescu: i suspect it's just "thinking is hard and why bother" rather than "snarky is cool".

mircea_popescu: im not even sure whence this delusion of majority on the bunko science camp stems from.

mircea_popescu: it reminds me a lot of that character with the bitfury bet.

mircea_popescu: don't seem to see such claim made.

mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with finding the holes, really.

mircea_popescu: not bad

mircea_popescu: she;d care.

mircea_popescu: you ever fucked a chick on plywood ?

mircea_popescu: i haven;t, no.

mircea_popescu: that'll need context

mircea_popescu: that was in relation to a cfc/ozone layer discussion.

mircea_popescu: you weren't there when they were made. they

mircea_popescu: re not measurements, not per se.

mircea_popescu: empirical ?

mircea_popescu: what?

mircea_popescu: its not factual dawg.

mircea_popescu: a measurement is when you measure it. not when you guess what it might have been by some circumstantial evidence.

mircea_popescu: different beasts.

mircea_popescu: how did you reason ?

mircea_popescu: i don't get why this sort of broken thought process is so attractive to you.

mircea_popescu: just because some particular thing you were invested into fails to pass muster does not mean the entire world has been obliterated. simmar down.

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: anyway, got some stuff to dom, we continue later.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 why aren;t they straight lines ?

mircea_popescu: wait, deprieved buys into usagi ?!

mircea_popescu: Urushiol number of lines that were averaged together.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 you linked to some graph

mircea_popescu: seems liniar to me.

mircea_popescu: pankkake maybe ask deprived wtf.

mircea_popescu: oh i see

mircea_popescu: makes sense now.

mircea_popescu: wait.

mircea_popescu: you mixed the diffs in the wolfram alpha ? i thought you meant in yoru original formula, and the prev wa formula is it.

mircea_popescu: so basically we're back to "why isn't your forum graph linear"

mircea_popescu: aha

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-sanity-dogma/ dub pankkake TomServo and who else was interested.

mircea_popescu: i have one about hyenas

mircea_popescu: dude teh merging is a thing of beautuy

mircea_popescu: chan is like almost readable now

mircea_popescu: so join the spamchan neh ?

mircea_popescu: i forget what it's called, bitcoin-trades maybe ?

mircea_popescu: benkay that is a good objection.

mircea_popescu: clueless teachers is probably the egg of that chicken

mircea_popescu: pankkake when was the chan reg'd ?

mircea_popescu: zoinky o, that is probably not so great

mircea_popescu: gfh!

mircea_popescu: good for him

mircea_popescu: so i just had a dork try to impersonate me to dc ppls. us ips/us phone numbers.

mircea_popescu: i wonder if the fbi still does anything over tehre or not really.

mircea_popescu: benkay http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=304

mircea_popescu: probably of interest to you.

mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'.

mircea_popescu: that's where the best comments spring from

mircea_popescu: dexX7 stocks

mircea_popescu: aka nonsense.

mircea_popescu: technically this is sillynegans not shenanigans

mircea_popescu: Rulother what's the objection ?

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla will prolly make assbot talk spam in -trades

mircea_popescu: tho yeah... can also use the provided firehose.

mircea_popescu: Rulother i used to but freenode decided taking donations is too much of a pain

mircea_popescu: you can give them a box tho

mircea_popescu: lol jurov

mircea_popescu: why sell FI stocks, reason #5467554698 : they comply with government regulation.

mircea_popescu: financial institution

mircea_popescu: basically they're begging to die the dearth of irrelevance

mircea_popescu: "if you don't do so and so we won't play with you"

mircea_popescu: experience shows kids with that sort of mental issues end up in a corner.

mircea_popescu: i don't push it. let them come begging for it in their own time

mircea_popescu: and then whine as to why it's 300 bitcoins worth 10k usd each by then

mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as push-helping people.

mircea_popescu: the only people that can be helped by others are on their knees.

mircea_popescu: if not physically necessarily, then in a certaion metaphorical sense.

mircea_popescu: a that's different yeah.

mircea_popescu: you know how it is, trends chance upon capitulation.

mircea_popescu: change*

mircea_popescu: prolly

mircea_popescu: should i start a bet ? :D