benkay: ;;gettrust SatoshiJack
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot SatoshiJack
peterl: is it considered better manners to set otc ratings in the channel or via pm with gribble?
BingoBoingo: At least for a while bringing up the assbot - target path is probably productive to see if people wanting voice can already !up themselves
benkay: peterl: we're all making it up as we go
benkay: the dynamics of upping is interesting to watch as well
mircea_popescu: so reading the log... is nubbins` like this chan's cialis or what.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell artifexd your nudge was just what i needed to finally get that done. thanks!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened << mnw figured he'd be a smartass, bet everyone pirate will deliver (after default). 10k btc, which he obviously lost, which he then reneged on (pretending he's "delivering" by simply writing 10k BTC in a foirum post) and got banned.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15249 @ 0.00095914 = 14.6259 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum << stop slandering
https etc.
Azelphur: that was pretty funny "This bet is serious business, if you place the bet and loose then don't pay, you will be marked as a scammer and banned"
Azelphur: "Oh shit I lost... NOPE IT WAS ALL A BIG JOKE HAHAHA"
Azelphur: I remember he was writer at bitcoin magazine too, iirc he got fired over it
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin Magazine has its own lulzy history
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mircea_popescu: Azelphur nah, he was fired when the bitpay crew screwed the original owner out of his shares and put that romanian kid in
mircea_popescu: or maybe he left in protest or maybe he was fired right before that ? shit's starting to get foggy
mircea_popescu: i dunno he's not nice. he's definitely one of the guys that got raped in the ass by their failure to take bitcoin serious enough.
mircea_popescu: where enough is a value roughly in excess of hard infinity.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre eh what robbed, thing closed at like 11, you bet 11:20 or what
BingoBoingo: The hazard of late BitBets, on price especially is when the thing hits verus where it sticks can be... messy, and the difference here is in the house's favor
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people insist to try and use a knowledge advantage. fucking thing has about 700 bells and whistles pointing out you'll get hurt in all likeliness
mircea_popescu: i guess it's all a testament to the SEC's historical success in controlling insider trading.
mircea_popescu: hear ye of little competence : i am and i have been doing a shitload better than you ever did, to the degree the differential is culture-shocking people.
peterl: one more reason to bet early
BingoBoingo: Preach it. I mean why do people keep getting this "free winning" idea when BET is in the name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3073 @ 0.00011911 = 0.366 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: i guess it's just irresistible and that's how it'll stay.
BingoBoingo: The de/in-flation discussions always have a next time
benkay: the light begins to dawn...
mircea_popescu: assholes not in here daring to claim things are "charmingly naive". irony crits.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00095719 = 12.4435 BTC [-]
benkay: perhaps they read logs?
benkay: perhaps they have someone reading logs?
mircea_popescu: peterl can you post that again in something that's not a hairball of js ? like a pastebin say. or a wp blog or something.
peterl: yeah, sure, give me a minute
bitcoinpete: benkay: eli doesn't get the scarcity angle. few casual observers do, particularly amid the mt gox this and that noise
benkay: i don't really get the mining arguments. but yes, containerization.
benkay: paucity of new coins, bitcoinpete ?
bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin for now exists at the pleasure of governments" << this is just priceless
ozbot: LIF retrospective - Pastebin.com
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @rabite Let's talk. ...
peterl: cause sure, why not sign it?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete everyone wants to think that the earth sucked before he showed up to fix it.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and that times, they are a changing. so fast that history is useless
benkay: peterl: what is your otc identity?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol that doesn't leave a lot, does it
ozbot: FuckedCompany.com - Official Lubricant Of The New Economy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00095299 = 16.582 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hehe. that was the techmeme before arlington was invented.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.50072223 = 9.013 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to bet the bitpay sister gets that ? what was her name
BingoBoingo: I think MP takes most influential investor
mircea_popescu: i should probably make a pie throwing contest, give 10 btc to the best thrown pie to the face of these losers.
bitcoinpete: and legal expert, and bitcoin champion, and on an on
bitcoinpete: except it was funny/sad how few people at the bitcoin expo in toronto who'd even heard of you or mpex
peterl: they have a list of people they already picked to honor (themselves), and they had to come up with a category for everybody?
mircea_popescu: how many people at bitcoin toronto heard of niederauer ?
mircea_popescu: lol why am i looking at some japanese chick with her panties on
ozbot: Twitter / rogerkver: Tokyo has the best Bitcoin ...
bitcoinpete: EmPee Award categories: best haircut, funniest log line, herpiest derp, best troll…
bitcoinpete: donating bitcoin to charity will "not only will it help a worthy charitable cause, it will also contribute to the future success of Bitcoin:" <<obviously lol
mircea_popescu: this is a stupid idea, because in general charity is powered by tax deductions.
mircea_popescu: this makes donations the absolute last thing bitcoin will do.
mircea_popescu: but try and talk it to the fucktards who have some shit impacted in their head which they misrepresent as an idea, and then try to use everything they encounter on the road as shit-amplifyer, instead of using it as a shit removing device.
bitcoinpete: everything is used to amplify brain damage here
peterl: well, according to IRS rules, couldn't you claim a bitcoin donation as charitable donation for tax purposes?
peterl: since bitcoins are assets like cars and shit?
mircea_popescu: you can claim anything you want, including that you have 84 minor children.
mircea_popescu: people with actual tax accountants who get actual advice (ie, the people in a position to make meaningful donations) don't do stupid shit because that;'s what happened to be in front of their eyes that hour.
peterl: as long as the charity gave you a receipt, I don't see why there would be any hassle?
mircea_popescu: because the business of the irs is to hassle the margin.
mircea_popescu: that's what a taxman does, in all tiumes and places. it's the fundamental conservative mechanism of a society.
assbot: Voicing thecluck for 30 minutes.
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3566% in 0d 17h 8m 44s
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ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 120 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2178% in 0d 17h 17m 59s
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.3, Best ask: 525.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.70000, Last trade: 522.28, 24 hour volume: 30337.42561740, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 520.388624434
TestingUnoDosTre: Let me check the difference between bitcoincharts time and GMT
TestingUnoDosTre: I had about 10 minutes before the crossover, I was watching it at the bar
TestingUnoDosTre: Here's what I have on bitcoincharts, loaded 1 minute data 2014-04-15 23:29:00524.51527521.54527163.886233.43526.46
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go into the level of detail you need for your case.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is not a good venue to be doing this sorts of "oh but i bet x seconds before it ticked".
mircea_popescu: bet a day early and get refunded, then you got something.
assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'll back down if I must. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I played by the rules and it's somewhat easy to verify that I was in "on time"
TestingUnoDosTre: There's no reason the price couldn't have swung in the opposite direction
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well, the life of a late bettor is hard. if you get in, you get in. however, if you don't you don't, and it's the mod that makes the call.
TestingUnoDosTre: I feel like I most definitely did get in though. But enough of this dicussion
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Remember that BitBet has worse fates than a refund for the late.
TestingUnoDosTre: I do understand, and that's the risk I was taking. I did bet before the event occured though...
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: anyone interested in a 25 BTC Casascius Coin
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['20800 @ 0.00095321', '41904 @ 0.00095299', '6100 @ 0.00095168', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['12200 @ 0.00095568', '15960 @ 0.00095719', '3800 @ 0.00095861', '5400 @ 0.0009597', '9188 @ 0.0009601']
BingoBoingo: ;;rate BCB 1 Been around Bitcoin forever, investigates scamzors
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ozbot: The problem of the past pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and everyone with a legal inclination, if you have a moment, pls to read.
BCB: BingoBoingo, still waiting for pirateat40 to go to jail!
BingoBoingo: BCB: I've seen you around forever now, but I don't think we've had occasion to interact.
BingoBoingo: BCB: I imagine he will find worse than jail
BCB: BingoBoingo, I think he already has. WIfe left him, all his assets have been seized, He's back living in his mother's house
BCB: and he's being sued by the SEC
BCB: Life doesn't get much worse then that
BingoBoingo: BCB: There are far worse things than that. He is going to see the future he could have been a part of, but was exiled from in its infancy
BingoBoingo: Killing him would have been kinder than that
mircea_popescu: tho tbh, i think the kid's exactly smart enough for that to smart.
joecool: BCB: prison rape is in the future
mircea_popescu: this obsession with prison rape srsly. it;s like 30 cases per 100k inmates
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sphincters heal, serious regret is forever
BCB: joecool, if he goes to prison it will be some low sec location. Not much prison rape there. Lots of checkers and shuffleboard
BCB: BingoBoingo, I don't think he ever saw a future in bitcoin. He just saw it as a way to make a quick buck. He was too smart for his own good.
joecool: mircea_popescu: reported cases? canadians are probably just more shameless
BingoBoingo: BCB: It doesn't matter if he saw it then. He is doomed to see it the rest of his life.
peterl: mircea_popescu: looks like you tear apart my story just as intended. thanks.
BingoBoingo: And there is no such thing as "too smart for their own good"
mircea_popescu: joecool i dunno why someone would fail to report rape in prison.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095321 = 5.052 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well there is such a thing as thinking they're too smart for their own good
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but such a thing is just a hypertrophic form of Dunning-Kreuger
BingoBoingo: Not merely thinking one is adequate for such a thing, but thinking one was too good at such a thing to have gotten away with it.
joecool: ;;ratingsystem viewrating assbot
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "viewrating" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
joecool: ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User assbot, rated since Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014. Cumulative rating 26, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 9 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot elgrecoFL: <@assbot> Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the amazing times and feats of assbot, the amazing ass bot.
elgrecoFL: lets see if ozbot speaks in this channel
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: BingoBoingo, I'm cool authed now. Thx
gribble: You rated user gribble on Sun Mar 2 22:05:31 2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: knows damn right who I am.
gribble: Error: "whosurmom" is not a valid command.
assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Plain !up works in PM, !up nick works in channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00095321 = 4.0988 BTC [+]
benkay: one can also /msg assbot !up
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell PeterL what key did you sign that pastebin with anyway ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095321 = 6.1959 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
elgrecoFL: I excel in channel idling. This may be my first time ever speaking here in over a year.
benkay: wish i got to do not much ;)
BingoBoingo: benkay: For some people doing a lot is showering once in a week. For other people not doing much is working 18 hour days.
benkay: BingoBoingo: I suppose.
benkay: BingoBoingo: i do sometimes long for the days of the 40-hour work week.
BingoBoingo: BCB: !up yourself just to make sure things work
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sometimes I long for the days when the smell of cunt juice on the fingers was a new smell
benkay: haha sounds like you need to go find some new cunts to sniff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0049998 = 0.22 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Has your Dukeness given much thought as to the requirements you suppose on those who would be your Ridders?
benkay: one interesting thing is this numeric count req'd to get into assbot's wot
benkay: say you rate someone +1
benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot benkay
benkay: baseline requirements: must be able to sign things with wot key or decrypt things sent to wot key
BingoBoingo: Well that is the minimum or even below it to get self upping
benkay: there's a bit of inflation at the bottom end. i'm willing to +1 for #bitcoin-assets voice, and +2 people I know to be people and not terrifically scummy.
benkay: but the question of who receives that +1 is open.
benkay: bare minimum for a 3 is that i've done biz witcha.
benkay: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
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benkay: so bitvps busted cert?
ozbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin
benkay: casual inspection sez ok, but chrome sez nawp
benkay: now comes my favorite part of client work
benkay: figuring out your crazy dns provider's web panel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00095392 = 10.3023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095308 = 10.8651 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00095299 = 11.2729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00095299 = 6.9568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50699999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52797797 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02854669 = 0.2855 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.053459 = 0.2673 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.053459 = 0.1604 BTC [+]
ozbot: Statement from the Edson family - Metro - The Boston Globe
BingoBoingo: ;;google boston anniversary backpack detonation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05345899 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0537725 = 0.2151 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0009542 = 7.8244 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Schneier on Security: Cryptanalysis of SHA-1
bitcoinpete: there's an old saying inside the NSA: "Attacks always get better; they never get worse."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00095299 = 15.0096 BTC [-]
ozbot: The Richest Man In Asia Is Selling Everything In China | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0009561 = 33.519 BTC [+] {3}
bitcoinpete: there's a reason li ka-shing made a token investment in bitpay: best way to buy off-market coins is off merchants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00095785 = 10.8065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2794 @ 0.00072505 = 2.0258 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095673 = 9.4238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00095906 = 14.6257 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> later all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00095996 = 2.5708 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0049998 = 0.31 BTC [-]
ozbot: [WARNING] Serious issues at Cryptsy : dogecoin
jurov: its friday already?
kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :)
jurov: well, if you said in advance...
jurov: i could go a day earlier, too
jurov: but i got sick anyway, better stay here a day and get better
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00095603 = 7.9389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0075 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: (to be taken with a grain of salt, excluding crypto parts !)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00499999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing b3nkay for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00096087 = 36.0807 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12796 @ 0.00095916 = 12.2734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00095329 = 8.796 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay: wish i got to do not much ;) << the real mark of being rich.
kakobrekla: they why the fuck are you telling me the work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete yeah, and bitcoin forum investment always gets better, it never gets worse.
mircea_popescu: ima go pick up mike and then have a drink with you two
kakobrekla: lol well i have been in the bar now for some time, if you gonna be couple of hrs i might change my drinks.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!
mircea_popescu: lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?
kakobrekla: nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.
mircea_popescu: if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.
mircea_popescu: well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.
mircea_popescu: jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!
kakobrekla: well you know you are welcome to visit .si
jurov: "looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D
mircea_popescu: jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious
kakobrekla: i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements
mircea_popescu: anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!
jurov: or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]
kakobrekla: call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?
ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.
jurov: 1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!
fluffypony: maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that
Naphex: hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?
fluffypony: Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?
Naphex: fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))
Naphex: there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something
kakobrekla: mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.
kakobrekla: all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings
Naphex: well, atleast we got potholes
kakobrekla: a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch
kakobrekla: so in the end its more trouble than its worth
fluffypony: when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork
kakobrekla: how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make
fluffypony: ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin
fluffypony: (the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)
HeySteve: hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning
HeySteve: be interesting if it falls over
davout: kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?
kakobrekla: anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk
davout: gonna rain this week end apparently
HeySteve: so the final ruling is expected in June huh?
HeySteve: I will let you guys know if it's accepted
fluffypony: davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]
davout: fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form
davout: fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet
fluffypony: yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective
davout: but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway
fluffypony: because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet
fluffypony: but there are tons of people who want to
davout: first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it
davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore
davout: yeah, that would be a solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s
mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6}
TestingUnoDosTre: I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?
mrstickball: That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out
TestingUnoDosTre: Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO
TestingUnoDosTre: Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...
mrstickball: you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day
mrstickball: why have they never listed other companies?
mrstickball: It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks
mrstickball: but my point was both try to list new companies
TestingUnoDosTre: Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november
ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mrstickball: They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right
TestingUnoDosTre: I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing
TestingUnoDosTre: But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses
mrstickball: I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]
mrstickball: its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view
fluffypony: oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform
mrstickball: but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders
TestingUnoDosTre: But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around
jurov: what's the problem with using broker?
fluffypony: besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC
fluffypony: "Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."
fluffypony: "Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"
fluffypony: "BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."
mrstickball: I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication
fluffypony: R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT
fluffypony: mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious
TestingUnoDosTre: It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?
fluffypony: it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that
mrstickball: so what other exchanges are out there currently?
mrstickball: MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?
fluffypony: jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?
pankkake: (me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)
pankkake: oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2}
mrstickball: ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are
fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing
TestingUnoDosTre: Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange
mrstickball: I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger
fluffypony: I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?
mrstickball: just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts
fluffypony: the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily
ozbot: [Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital
mrstickball: We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore
mrstickball: I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer
mrstickball: so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]
Duffer1: mrstickball are you Benny?
TestingUnoDosTre: This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?
rithm: why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me
mrstickball: its a good racket for the people selling the contracts
mrstickball: now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner
Duffer1: mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?
mrstickball: you can make a killing there if it works right
mrstickball: Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions
mrstickball: so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options
fluffypony: Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade
mrstickball: we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around
fluffypony: yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up
fluffypony: and that agreement looks to have fallen away
Duffer1: ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y
fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]
mrstickball: unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over
fluffypony: he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move
mrstickball: all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic
fluffypony: mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault
mrstickball: if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues
Duffer1: imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault
mrstickball: Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR
fluffypony: Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan
mrstickball: they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods
Duffer1: ya would have been nice if there was one
mrstickball: Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice
mrstickball: for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: fluffypony what's your project that your listing?
mrstickball: Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd
Duffer1: you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person
mrstickball: and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood
mrstickball: but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud
ozbot: John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M
mrstickball: I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK
mrstickball: so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)
artifexd: mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?
mrstickball: they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised
artifexd: The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked
Duffer1: unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person
mrstickball: Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.
fluffypony: mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British
TestingUnoDosTre: I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it
mrstickball: Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them
artifexd: I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.
mrstickball: I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out
mrstickball: artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC
fluffypony: you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay
mrstickball: but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good
mrstickball: mining is a hedge against huge diff increases
mrstickball: if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow
artifexd: AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right
fluffypony: so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever
artifexd: mircea_popescu`: I was too slow
mrstickball: but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large
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TestingUnoDosTre: Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months
mrstickball: and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower
TestingUnoDosTre: So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?
mrstickball: on this batch of Ice furies, its commission
mrstickball: but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on
mrstickball: rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?
nubbins`: ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?
nubbins`: easily, but an unexpected speed bump
benkay: nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?
nubbins`: needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly
TestingUnoDosTre: Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?
mrstickball: it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change
mrstickball: otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase
mrstickball: its a hedge against the belief it increases
mrstickball: e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster
mrstickball: for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more
mrstickball: because difficulty did not increase between June and October
mrstickball: again, the issue is with the declining diff increases
mrstickball: as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked
TestingUnoDosTre: But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases
benkay: unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.
fluffypony: benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers
TestingUnoDosTre: The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base
benkay: if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?
nubbins`: if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well
nubbins`: "for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"
fluffypony: nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network
fluffypony: you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example
fluffypony: it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer
benkay: fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.
fluffypony: but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner
fluffypony: they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity
benkay: they don't matter or count.
benkay: the only ones who do are the large farms.
fluffypony: some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter
TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?
fluffypony: benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner
benkay: it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?
benkay: o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?
fluffypony: we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining
fluffypony: or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it
TestingUnoDosTre: What about knc. Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?
benkay: it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap
benkay: "buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"
fluffypony: benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion
fluffypony: doesn't make the vendor questionable per se
TestingUnoDosTre: Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt
benkay: except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.
fluffypony: I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush
TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that
TestingUnoDosTre: It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner
fluffypony: no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!
TestingUnoDosTre: Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous, but not that quick on my feet
fluffypony: "Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"
TestingUnoDosTre: It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed
benkay: perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.
fluffypony: getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall
TestingUnoDosTre: Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though
benkay: who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default
benkay: it's just a damn fog of scam out there
fluffypony: they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't
fluffypony: they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?
TestingUnoDosTre: How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
fluffypony: Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest
benkay: that's what's in the btc smartphone market.
TestingUnoDosTre: How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge
benkay: selling 'em appears to work.
benkay: nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.
fluffypony: everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming
fluffypony: and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store
ozbot: Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama
benkay: mrstickball: 1kusd give or take
TestingUnoDosTre: Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US
benkay: there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's
mrstickball: the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products
mrstickball: my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store
benkay: ;;gettrust mrstickball
mrstickball: benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth
TestingUnoDosTre: Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?
assbot: Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM
TestingUnoDosTre: Cash through mail- did you wait to send btc until cash was received?
cgcardona_: : has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.
mrstickball: I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM
mrstickball: and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it
cgcardona_: What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?
cgcardona_: I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?
fluffypony: cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin
benkay: i am a purchaser of compute
benkay: i am not paying per operation.
benkay: i am not running on your distributed compute network.
benkay: i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.
benkay: distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.
pankkake: fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.
assbot: Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind
fluffypony: pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan
TestingUnoDosTre: What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?
benkay: that's a good basis point for your analysis.
pankkake: it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why
cgcardona_: i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy
benkay: billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/
fluffypony: I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum
TestingUnoDosTre: Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence
benkay: mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.
fluffypony: you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)
fluffypony: so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?
benkay: i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.
benkay: cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.
mrstickball: he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more
fluffypony: benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list
cgcardona_: DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.
mrstickball: he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians
benkay: mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.
TestingUnoDosTre: I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism
mrstickball: the book is arguing a point without context
mrstickball: its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors
mrstickball: you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income
nubbins`: what format do you use for your opinions?
benkay: latex is for professional opinions.
benkay: mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?
mrstickball: he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE
mrstickball: we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history
benkay: sounds a lot like correlation
benkay: and not a whit like causation
mrstickball: when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?
benkay: how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?
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nubbins`: ^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0
mrstickball: regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor
TestingUnoDosTre: Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than
benkay: ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it
benkay: i for one don't care about inequality
mrstickball: benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department
benkay: seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone
benkay: comply on taxes and employment
mrstickball: how much do you pay for HR and accounting?
benkay: none right now, sometime soon that'll change.
benkay: well accounting i do pay for
benkay: some thousands per year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]
benkay: can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .
mrstickball: benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments
benkay: as if i have 1 employee
mrstickball: if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4
mrstickball: because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect
benkay: okay hey so a question
mrstickball: much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist
benkay: you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?
benkay: what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I comply with state guidelines on contractors
mrstickball: e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]
mrstickball: benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer
mrstickball: I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork
mrstickball: I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.
mrstickball: Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory
mrstickball: (and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)
benkay: banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.
mrstickball: so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security
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cgcardona_: ^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)
benkay: haw funny, you mrstickball
benkay: what is this analysis company?
mrstickball: I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH
benkay: we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.
benkay: kinda allergic at this point.
mrstickball: We track video game sales for digital games
benkay: yes but what is your url
mrstickball: then sell the charts to interested parties
ozbot: Fade - Digital download sales reports
mrstickball: front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH
mrstickball: Whats the URL to your company, by the way?
benkay: needs moar css, clearly.
benkay: let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.
benkay: north of a hundred an hour
mrstickball: I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)
benkay: fixed bid's another story, though.
benkay: you could get a lot done for 10k.
benkay: course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.
benkay: i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.
benkay: 10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]
benkay: well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in
benkay: but that seems to be the one that needs the most work
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up
benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
benkay: i'm going to want to see you auth in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]
mrstickball: I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC
benkay: you don't have to do that to auth
mrstickball: eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain
fluffypony: you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?
benkay: unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...
benkay: mrstickball: does it work?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
cgcardona_: am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.
benkay: just assume everything was written drunk
benkay: you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com
benkay: the former's vastly more relevant to the wot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.
benkay: i'd like to do one on ethereum too
benkay: a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.
benkay: that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
jurov: benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?
jurov: anything usable yet?
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
ozbot: [QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks
pankkake: it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata
ozbot: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
benkay: mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?
mrstickball: was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC
benkay: pretty wild, eh pankkake ?
benkay: i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism
pankkake: it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases
benkay: errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure
pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?
assbot: Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.
pankkake: besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk
pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
gribble: Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.
pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
mrstickball: trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble
pankkake: gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company
mrstickball: odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously
mrstickball: do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?
pankkake: the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?
benkay: let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?
benkay: might even get some help
mrstickball: the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain
TestingUnoDosTre: Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?
benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
mrstickball: so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..
benkay: you'll probably want to gpg up
mrstickball: gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first
pankkake: I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process
mrstickball: no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC
benkay: well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff
mrstickball: new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence
ozbot: #/bin/bash -eu echo "gpg eauth ${USER}" echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
numerisTrade: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked
TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?
jurov: no afaik it was same from beginning
jurov: but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000
numerisTrade: the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely
TestingUnoDosTre: My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1
TestingUnoDosTre: Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day
fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC
cgcardona_: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
davout: so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?
fluffypony: davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them
davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho
TestingUnoDosTre: I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit
davout: also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted
davout: fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug
davout: looks more like it's server-side
davout: TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise
TestingUnoDosTre: I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges
davout: TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/
artifexd: Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?
TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck
davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica
ozbot: Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider
davout: fluffypony: do they? source?
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2}
davout: fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did
davout: fluffypony: used, not owned
fluffypony: they're pushing that retarded symbol hard
benkay: i love seeing shitty startups go down
davout: the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com
davout: which as we say in france
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame
pankkake: during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")
fluffypony: davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?
TestingUnoDosTre: No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning
TestingUnoDosTre: The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead
fluffypony: bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?
benkay: fluffypony: welcome to the circus.
fluffypony: davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use
davout: i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay
jurov: in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds
fluffypony: jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?
jurov: prolly yes, i don't remember
jurov: i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?
numerisTrade: jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines
jurov: yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it
jurov: yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book
jurov: i'm thinking wholesale :)
numerisTrade: jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]
jurov: aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too
jurov: should ask him tomorrow
jurov: they forgot to apply securities regulations, too
pankkake: and carbon emission regulations
ozbot: Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily
fluffypony: nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though
nubbins`: yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on
TestingUnoDosTre: Next article is about greencoin, the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine
nubbins`: i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic
TomServo: I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though. That sucked.
nubbins`: i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck
TomServo: If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out. I was all rearranged in there.
TomServo: No lasting injuries though, so yay for that. Just sore a few days/week.
TestingUnoDosTre: This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes
nubbins`: the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me
TomServo: Coincidentally or you saw him coming?
nubbins`: glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas
nubbins`: funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast
nubbins`: saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me
assbot: I don't do bots, jurov.
bounce: didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: /* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */
BingoBoingo: “Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? “A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly” … time to upgrade.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still
kakobrekla: this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.
kakobrekla: so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.
bounce: how long ago was that, then?
bounce: nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message
mircea_popescu: peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096
mircea_popescu: the other is that signature reads out 4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396
nubbins`: i was talking about him like two days ago
ozbot: [IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading
mircea_popescu: "Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""
kakobrekla: lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.
mircea_popescu: "The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!
mircea_popescu: "We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."
mircea_popescu: this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.
ozbot: Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review
nubbins`: they make planes in canada? :D
kakobrekla: fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.
mircea_popescu: benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.
mircea_popescu: who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?
cgcardona_: awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.
gribble: You have not yet rated user cgcardona_
cgcardona_: when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
kakobrekla: depends if you and gribble have another common channel
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.
mircea_popescu: if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5
kakobrekla: why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona_: but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?
kakobrekla: how is this better over leaving it to go to -10
cgcardona_: my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection
cgcardona_: can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?
gribble: You have not yet rated user gigavps
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov
cgcardona_: got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks
nubbins`: there are no dw questions, just dw people
benkay: ;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
nubbins`: tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary
nubbins`: that's what ya get for not Ring TFM
gribble: Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.
Namworld: Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."
Namworld: I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".
fluffypony: the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."
fluffypony: I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool
mircea_popescu: mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
mircea_popescu: eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.
fluffypony: and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers
cgcardona_: fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log
mircea_popescu: so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.
cgcardona_: mass market solution to a mass market product
benkay: troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living
benkay: just being user friendly, mircea_popescu
benkay: i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.
benkay: as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'
mircea_popescu: The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future.” << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1
benkay: woman's a bit of a knut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D
fluffypony: so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)
fluffypony: so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely
fluffypony: so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding
fluffypony: so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him
davout: fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway
fluffypony: so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make
fluffypony: davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days
benkay: dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?
fluffypony: davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days
benkay: fluffypony: invite him in here.
kakobrekla: its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.
benkay: kakobrekla stop misleading the man
benkay: flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally
davout: fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird
BingoBoingo: Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.
mircea_popescu: davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.
fluffypony: Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,
TomServo: +benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here. << please no.
davout: fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding
benkay: TomServo: public canings set policy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.
davout: fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long
davout: i could use a dick shortener
fluffypony: davout: but then your outie would become an innie
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.
jurov: davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?
kakobrekla: o fuck , nh hotel burned trilema credits :(
cgcardona_: MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.
davout: jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.
assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
jurov: davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs
benkay: lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"
benkay: step it up mp for chrissake
TomServo: ;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
fluffypony: btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"
benkay: mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?
fluffypony: we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system
rithm: driving is for plebes
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.
ozbot: Jos Gravatar.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.
benkay: cookie avatar? how even?
fluffypony: holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?
ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
fluffypony: well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust
benkay: nope even that one's wrong
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bgupta: mircea_popescu: eauth’ed
Apocalyptic: "There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.
fluffypony: that part seems to be non-obvious to most
Apocalyptic: I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor
mircea_popescu: kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile
mircea_popescu: bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]
ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans
kakobrekla: so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with
kakobrekla: "IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."
mircea_popescu: whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?
gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
gribble: You have not yet rated user deadterra
mircea_popescu: isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?
kakobrekla: i dunno what grows on your ignore garden
Apocalyptic: he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue
BingoBoingo: Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust
kakobrekla: yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self
mircea_popescu: davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!
davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)
mircea_popescu: davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!
davout: mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing
ozbot: Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil
mircea_popescu: davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.
mircea_popescu: if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni
mircea_popescu: because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.
davout: mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows
mircea_popescu: fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me
fluffypony: buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.
fluffypony: well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over
mircea_popescu: so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?
fluffypony: wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs
fluffypony: look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion
fluffypony: a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions
fluffypony: I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow
fluffypony: amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek
mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: well if I must distill the rating into something more concise
gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.
davout: ;;gettrust mrstickball
davout: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform
mircea_popescu: well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?
mrstickball: mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?
mrstickball: if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with
mrstickball: admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"
mircea_popescu: i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.
fluffypony: I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P
mircea_popescu: "Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.
ozbot: That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake
TomServo: Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.
assbot: Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap
ozbot: BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already
fluffypony: ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s
fluffypony: * forward direction only, movement in real-time only
mircea_popescu: jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!
TomServo: So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!
fluffypony: right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days they’d been called together for an all-hands meeting."
mircea_popescu: the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l
mircea_popescu: i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.
kakobrekla: if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul
mircea_popescu: "this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.
BingoBoingo: Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.
BingoBoingo: I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life
artifexd: Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.
thestringpuller: shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?
TomServo: There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'
BingoBoingo: TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar
thestringpuller: I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds
thestringpuller: 4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.
mircea_popescu: it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?
thestringpuller: i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news
mircea_popescu: the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o
mircea_popescu: "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back
mircea_popescu: to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
assbot: Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanford’s campus — prompting both awe and jealousy — and not everyone was a fan."