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SatoshiJack: My team...the satoshiJack team :)
benkay: ;;gettrust SatoshiJack
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot SatoshiJack
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
peterl: is it considered better manners to set otc ratings in the channel or via pm with gribble?
mircea_popescu: hasn't gotten to the point of actually bothering yet.
mircea_popescu: i suspect people like to keep an eye on it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo looking good.
BingoBoingo: At least for a while bringing up the assbot - target path is probably productive to see if people wanting voice can already !up themselves
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thanks
benkay: peterl: we're all making it up as we go
benkay: the dynamics of upping is interesting to watch as well
mircea_popescu: so reading the log... is nubbins` like this chan's cialis or what.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell artifexd your nudge was just what i needed to finally get that done. thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: nubbins` is a lot of things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened << mnw figured he'd be a smartass, bet everyone pirate will deliver (after default). 10k btc, which he obviously lost, which he then reneged on (pretending he's "delivering" by simply writing 10k BTC in a foirum post) and got banned.
mircea_popescu: then got unbanned
mircea_popescu: then got banned again
mircea_popescu: then piles of drama, it gets circular.
Azelphur: I remember that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15249 @ 0.00095914 = 14.6259 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: congratulations, you're old enough :)
Azelphur: \o/
mircea_popescu: rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum << stop slandering https etc.
Azelphur: that was pretty funny "This bet is serious business, if you place the bet and loose then don't pay, you will be marked as a scammer and banned"
Azelphur: "Oh shit I lost... NOPE IT WAS ALL A BIG JOKE HAHAHA"
mircea_popescu: myeah.
Azelphur: I remember he was writer at bitcoin magazine too, iirc he got fired over it
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin Magazine has its own lulzy history
bitcoinpete: ;;rate artifexd 1 nudger
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user artifexd has changed from 1 to 1.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur nah, he was fired when the bitpay crew screwed the original owner out of his shares and put that romanian kid in
mircea_popescu: whatever his name is. who maybe left meanwhile or w/e
Azelphur: I see
mircea_popescu: or maybe he left in protest or maybe he was fired right before that ? shit's starting to get foggy
Azelphur: god alone knows
Azelphur: he's not a nice fellow, tldr.
mircea_popescu: i dunno he's not nice. he's definitely one of the guys that got raped in the ass by their failure to take bitcoin serious enough.
mircea_popescu: where enough is a value roughly in excess of hard infinity.
mircea_popescu: aleph three.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre eh what robbed, thing closed at like 11, you bet 11:20 or what
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: The hazard of late BitBets, on price especially is when the thing hits verus where it sticks can be... messy, and the difference here is in the house's favor
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people insist to try and use a knowledge advantage. fucking thing has about 700 bells and whistles pointing out you'll get hurt in all likeliness
mircea_popescu: yet people can't resist.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's all a testament to the SEC's historical success in controlling insider trading.
mircea_popescu: hear ye of little competence : i am and i have been doing a shitload better than you ever did, to the degree the differential is culture-shocking people.
peterl: one more reason to bet early
BingoBoingo: Preach it. I mean why do people keep getting this "free winning" idea when BET is in the name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3073 @ 0.00011911 = 0.366 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: i guess it's just irresistible and that's how it'll stay.
mircea_popescu: o look i missed the polish inflation discussion.
mircea_popescu: maybe next time.
BingoBoingo: The de/in-flation discussions always have a next time
benkay: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/16/a-coup-not-an-exit/
benkay: the light begins to dawn...
mircea_popescu: "This view is charmingly naïve. "
mircea_popescu: assholes not in here daring to claim things are "charmingly naive". irony crits.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00095719 = 12.4435 BTC [-]
benkay: perhaps they read logs?
benkay: perhaps they have someone reading logs?
mircea_popescu: still presumptuous.
mircea_popescu: peterl can you post that again in something that's not a hairball of js ? like a pastebin say. or a wp blog or something.
peterl: yeah, sure, give me a minute
benkay: php > js
bitcoinpete: benkay: eli doesn't get the scarcity angle. few casual observers do, particularly amid the mt gox this and that noise
mircea_popescu: benkay im trying to be user friendly shush you
benkay: i don't really get the mining arguments. but yes, containerization.
benkay: paucity of new coins, bitcoinpete ?
bitcoinpete: basically
bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin for now exists at the pleasure of governments" << this is just priceless
peterl: http://pastebin.com/euqGSEgn
ozbot: LIF retrospective - Pastebin.com
bitcoinpete: there's some gems in there
peterl: is that better?
benkay: signed and everything
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/456595768221003777
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @rabite Let's talk. ...
mircea_popescu: if guy actually shows up someone up him.
peterl: cause sure, why not sign it?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete everyone wants to think that the earth sucked before he showed up to fix it.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: and that times, they are a changing. so fast that history is useless
benkay: ;;gettrust peterl
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
mircea_popescu: whoa stumbleupon still exists ?!
bitcoinpete: define "exist"
benkay: peterl: what is your otc identity?
mircea_popescu: that's a point. "anything other than a rip page"
peterl: peterl is my otc id
benkay: hm
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol that doesn't leave a lot, does it
mircea_popescu: http://fuckedcompany.com/ bitcoinpete
ozbot: FuckedCompany.com - Official Lubricant Of The New Economy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00095299 = 16.582 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: that's a new one
mircea_popescu: lol. it's not new, young padawan. you are :D
bitcoinpete: lol i meant for me!
mircea_popescu: hehe. that was the techmeme before arlington was invented.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.50072223 = 9.013 BTC [-] {7}
bitcoinpete: http://t.co/4DE6RoFKMj
bitcoinpete: the nobel comes to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Best ATM Design" ?
mircea_popescu: what's this troop smoking lmao
mircea_popescu: "Most Impactful Charity"
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to bet the bitpay sister gets that ? what was her name
bitcoinpete: mp, you'd better win best journalist
mircea_popescu: Each of the winners will receive 1 BTC
mircea_popescu: aghagaga o spare me sally.
bitcoinpete: and influential investor lol
BingoBoingo: I think MP takes most influential investor
mircea_popescu: i should probably make a pie throwing contest, give 10 btc to the best thrown pie to the face of these losers.
bitcoinpete: and legal expert, and bitcoin champion, and on an on
mircea_popescu: that;s about their total pool.
bitcoinpete: except it was funny/sad how few people at the bitcoin expo in toronto who'd even heard of you or mpex
bitcoinpete: there should be EmPee Awards
peterl: they have a list of people they already picked to honor (themselves), and they had to come up with a category for everybody?
mircea_popescu: how many people at bitcoin toronto heard of niederauer ?
bitcoinpete: fair enough
mircea_popescu: lol why am i looking at some japanese chick with her panties on
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776
ozbot: Twitter / rogerkver: Tokyo has the best Bitcoin ...
mircea_popescu: srsly, i am not impresst.
bitcoinpete: EmPee Award categories: best haircut, funniest log line, herpiest derp, best troll…
bitcoinpete: ya, she looks like an amputee
bitcoinpete: http://www.seriouss.net/#!Support-the-BitGive-Foundation/c20df/0281C51F-4999-40B1-8653-13F099D34964
ozbot: Serious Stuff
bitcoinpete: donating bitcoin to charity will "not only will it help a worthy charitable cause, it will also contribute to the future success of Bitcoin:" <<obviously lol
mircea_popescu: this is a stupid idea, because in general charity is powered by tax deductions.
mircea_popescu: this makes donations the absolute last thing bitcoin will do.
mircea_popescu: but try and talk it to the fucktards who have some shit impacted in their head which they misrepresent as an idea, and then try to use everything they encounter on the road as shit-amplifyer, instead of using it as a shit removing device.
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1782548/plain/)
bitcoinpete: everything is used to amplify brain damage here
bitcoinpete: it's socially encouraged
peterl: well, according to IRS rules, couldn't you claim a bitcoin donation as charitable donation for tax purposes?
mircea_popescu: peterl try and do so.
peterl: since bitcoins are assets like cars and shit?
mircea_popescu: you can claim anything you want, including that you have 84 minor children.
mircea_popescu: then you get audited.
mircea_popescu: then you get to argue it in court.
mircea_popescu: then you win.
mircea_popescu: or die, whichever comes first.
mircea_popescu: people with actual tax accountants who get actual advice (ie, the people in a position to make meaningful donations) don't do stupid shit because that;'s what happened to be in front of their eyes that hour.
peterl: as long as the charity gave you a receipt, I don't see why there would be any hassle?
mircea_popescu: because the business of the irs is to hassle the margin.
mircea_popescu: that's what a taxman does, in all tiumes and places. it's the fundamental conservative mechanism of a society.
mircea_popescu: !up thecluck
assbot: Voicing thecluck for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lampelinaa how's it going ?
bitcoinpete: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3566% in 0d 17h 8m 44s
mircea_popescu: !up bettycla1p
assbot: Voicing bettycla1p for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up wutwhutw1t
assbot: Voicing wutwhutw1t for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 120 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2178% in 0d 17h 17m 59s
BingoBoingo: ;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.3, Best ask: 525.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.70000, Last trade: 522.28, 24 hour volume: 30337.42561740, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 520.388624434
TestingUnoDosTre: mircea_popescu - about this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ it was the other way around. I had bet at + received 1 confirmation (and bet posted to bitbet) at 23:20. The bitstamp price crossed over at 23:29
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre looks like 23:00 on that graph
TestingUnoDosTre: Let me check the difference between bitcoincharts time and GMT
TestingUnoDosTre: I had about 10 minutes before the crossover, I was watching it at the bar
TestingUnoDosTre: Here's what I have on bitcoincharts, loaded 1 minute data 2014-04-15 23:29:00524.51527521.54527163.886233.43526.46
TestingUnoDosTre: at 23:29, open was 524.51, close was 527
TestingUnoDosTre: here
TestingUnoDosTre: here's my tx https://blockchain.info/address/17GnrasopAN9TKFSH88v7f3qEHbY4vkDJ3
TestingUnoDosTre: posted to bitbet 6 minutes later
TestingUnoDosTre: this is the page I loaded data from (apologize but it has like 2 days worth of 1 minute data) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg1zig1-minzczsg2014-04-16zeg2014-04-17ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
mircea_popescu: i think you're arguing the wrong tack here.
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go into the level of detail you need for your case.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is not a good venue to be doing this sorts of "oh but i bet x seconds before it ticked".
mircea_popescu: bet a day early and get refunded, then you got something.
mircea_popescu: !up blackwhite
assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'll back down if I must. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I played by the rules and it's somewhat easy to verify that I was in "on time"
TestingUnoDosTre: There's no reason the price couldn't have swung in the opposite direction
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well, the life of a late bettor is hard. if you get in, you get in. however, if you don't you don't, and it's the mod that makes the call.
TestingUnoDosTre: I feel like I most definitely did get in though. But enough of this dicussion
blackwhite: hola peeps
mircea_popescu: heya
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Remember that BitBet has worse fates than a refund for the late.
TestingUnoDosTre: I do understand, and that's the risk I was taking. I did bet before the event occured though...
mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
joecool: !up BCB
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
BCB: thx
BCB: anyone interested in a 25 BTC Casascius Coin
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['20800 @ 0.00095321', '41904 @ 0.00095299', '6100 @ 0.00095168', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['12200 @ 0.00095568', '15960 @ 0.00095719', '3800 @ 0.00095861', '5400 @ 0.0009597', '9188 @ 0.0009601']
BingoBoingo: ;;rate BCB 1 Been around Bitcoin forever, investigates scamzors
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BCB has been recorded.
BCB: BingoBoingo, thanks
BCB: ;;rated BingoBoingo
gribble: You have not yet rated user BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-the-past/
ozbot: The problem of the past pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: peterl ^
mircea_popescu: and everyone with a legal inclination, if you have a moment, pls to read.
BCB: BingoBoingo, still waiting for pirateat40 to go to jail!
BingoBoingo: BCB: I've seen you around forever now, but I don't think we've had occasion to interact.
BingoBoingo: BCB: I imagine he will find worse than jail
BCB: BingoBoingo, I think he already has. WIfe left him, all his assets have been seized, He's back living in his mother's house
BCB: and he's being sued by the SEC
BCB: Life doesn't get much worse then that
BingoBoingo: BCB: There are far worse things than that. He is going to see the future he could have been a part of, but was exiled from in its infancy
BingoBoingo: Killing him would have been kinder than that
mircea_popescu: wow that's some high drama aproach right there.
mircea_popescu: tho tbh, i think the kid's exactly smart enough for that to smart.
joecool: BCB: prison rape is in the future
mircea_popescu: this obsession with prison rape srsly. it;s like 30 cases per 100k inmates
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sphincters heal, serious regret is forever
BCB: joecool, if he goes to prison it will be some low sec location. Not much prison rape there. Lots of checkers and shuffleboard
mircea_popescu: in the us. in canada it's like 3x that.
BCB: BingoBoingo, I don't think he ever saw a future in bitcoin. He just saw it as a way to make a quick buck. He was too smart for his own good.
joecool: mircea_popescu: reported cases? canadians are probably just more shameless
BingoBoingo: BCB: It doesn't matter if he saw it then. He is doomed to see it the rest of his life.
peterl: mircea_popescu: looks like you tear apart my story just as intended. thanks.
BingoBoingo: And there is no such thing as "too smart for their own good"
mircea_popescu: joecool i dunno why someone would fail to report rape in prison.
mircea_popescu: it's a distraction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095321 = 5.052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl your signature is pretty shitty.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up roamfree
assbot: Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well there is such a thing as thinking they're too smart for their own good
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cazalla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedb:949f. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rate cazalla 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but such a thing is just a hypertrophic form of Dunning-Kreuger
mircea_popescu: aye
BingoBoingo: Not merely thinking one is adequate for such a thing, but thinking one was too good at such a thing to have gotten away with it.
joecool: !ping
joecool: ;;ratingsystem viewrating assbot
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "viewrating" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
joecool: ;;ratingsystem getrating assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User assbot, rated since Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014. Cumulative rating 26, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 9 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot
elgrecoFL: <+mircea_popescu> !up elgrecoFL
elgrecoFL: <@assbot> Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lol timing is everything
mircea_popescu: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
elgrecoFL: heh. what was that about? :)
elgrecoFL: great bot name, btw
mircea_popescu: well you got voice.
elgrecoFL: thx. did i not have voice?
mircea_popescu: nope.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot elgrecoFL
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user elgrecoFL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=elgrecoFL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=elgrecoFL | Rated since: never
elgrecoFL: well... i'm speechless :p
BingoBoingo: Were speechless
TestingUnoDosTre: that assbot is amazing
mircea_popescu: the amazing times and feats of assbot, the amazing ass bot.
elgrecoFL: heh
elgrecoFL: lets see if ozbot speaks in this channel
elgrecoFL: stupid bot
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
elgrecoFL: wewt
mircea_popescu: haha wut
mircea_popescu: stupid bot
ozbot: Gamisou re malaka!
mircea_popescu: til.
elgrecoFL: he speaks greek
elgrecoFL: well, curses in greek
BingoBoingo: !up BCB
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: who was running ozbot ? scrat ?
BingoBoingo: BCB: You should be able to self voice nao
BCB: BingoBoingo, I'm cool authed now. Thx
BCB: ;;voiceme
elgrecoFL: mircea_popescu: jezzz
mircea_popescu: ah
joecool: unlike gribble
elgrecoFL: well, he wrote it anyway
joecool: ;;rated gribble
gribble: You rated user gribble on Sun Mar 2 22:05:31 2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: knows damn right who I am.
BingoBoingo: BCB: The method here is PM'ing assbot !up
BCB: ahh ok. thx
joecool: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
joecool: -_-
BCB: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
BCB: fucker
mircea_popescu: ;;whosurmom
gribble: Error: "whosurmom" is not a valid command.
BCB: !up
assbot: Need a nickname, BCB.
BingoBoingo: !up Periscope
assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
BCB: whoami
BCB: ;;whoami
gribble: I don't recognize you.
BingoBoingo: Plain !up works in PM, !up nick works in channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00095321 = 4.0988 BTC [+]
benkay: one can also /msg assbot !up
benkay: dat one-liner
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell PeterL what key did you sign that pastebin with anyway ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: lolol
mircea_popescu: later all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095321 = 6.1959 BTC [+]
benkay: thestringpuller: ping
thestringpuller: p
thestringpuller: ya
BingoBoingo: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: elgrecoFL: What sort of stuff do you do?
elgrecoFL: I excel in channel idling. This may be my first time ever speaking here in over a year.
BingoBoingo: Cool
elgrecoFL: :). just a bitocin enthusiast
BingoBoingo: Ah
elgrecoFL: don't really "do" much.
BingoBoingo: It happens
elgrecoFL: yep. small time mining since 2011
benkay: wish i got to do not much ;)
BingoBoingo: benkay: For some people doing a lot is showering once in a week. For other people not doing much is working 18 hour days.
elgrecoFL: heh. i'm closer to 10 hour days.
benkay: BingoBoingo: I suppose.
benkay: BingoBoingo: i do sometimes long for the days of the 40-hour work week.
BingoBoingo: BCB: !up yourself just to make sure things work
BingoBoingo: benkay: Sometimes I long for the days when the smell of cunt juice on the fingers was a new smell
benkay: haha sounds like you need to go find some new cunts to sniff
BCB: that did it
BCB: thax
BingoBoingo: BCB: Ur welcome
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot BCB
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BCB!~BCB@ec2-54-204-38-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BCB: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BCB | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BCB | Rated since: Thu Sep 20 19:03:51 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0049998 = 0.22 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Has your Dukeness given much thought as to the requirements you suppose on those who would be your Ridders?
BingoBoingo: benkay: And your Jonkheers?
benkay: much thought
benkay: few conclusions
BingoBoingo: Similar situation here.
benkay: one interesting thing is this numeric count req'd to get into assbot's wot
benkay: say you rate someone +1
benkay: and I rate them -1
benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 9 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
benkay: baseline requirements: must be able to sign things with wot key or decrypt things sent to wot key
benkay: ;)
BingoBoingo: Well that is the minimum or even below it to get self upping
benkay: there's a bit of inflation at the bottom end. i'm willing to +1 for #bitcoin-assets voice, and +2 people I know to be people and not terrifically scummy.
benkay: but the question of who receives that +1 is open.
benkay: bare minimum for a 3 is that i've done biz witcha.
BingoBoingo: Seems reasonable
benkay: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
BingoBoingo: Oh, that
benkay: herbi can up himself
BingoBoingo: can he?
benkay: he's in your WoT.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014
joecool: wot
joecool: u wot m8?
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot joecool
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
joecool: !rated artifexd
joecool: ;;rated artifexd
gribble: You have not yet rated user artifexd
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudelstoids 1 voice
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate herbijudlestoids 0
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate herbijudlestoids
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for herbijudlestoids.
BingoBoingo: The consequences of spelling
benkay: lol
benkay: so bitvps busted cert?
benkay: https://bitvps.com/
ozbot: BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin
benkay: casual inspection sez ok, but chrome sez nawp
BingoBoingo: Wow
benkay: now comes my favorite part of client work
benkay: figuring out your crazy dns provider's web panel
BingoBoingo: Ah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00095392 = 10.3023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095308 = 10.8651 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00095299 = 11.2729 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00095299 = 6.9568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50699999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52797797 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02854669 = 0.2855 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.053459 = 0.2673 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.053459 = 0.1604 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Trolling IRL: Expert Mode
BingoBoingo: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/16/statement-from-edson-family/1Eui4H6OIvy6Xc6F7gKNNK/story.html
ozbot: Statement from the Edson family - Metro - The Boston Globe
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: what did Kevin do?
BingoBoingo: ;;google boston anniversary backpack detonation
gribble: Two backpacks detonated by police at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-finish-line-evacuated-masked-man-dumps-backpack-reports-article-1.1757577>; Man arrested after dropping backpack at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/16/suspicious-package-reported-near-boston-marathon-finish-line-police- (1 more message)
fluffypony: oh geeze
fluffypony: what an idiot
fluffypony: gah
fluffypony: don't dd in the morning
fluffypony: meant to kill dd with -USR1
fluffypony: did -HUP instead
fluffypony: braindead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05345899 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0537725 = 0.2151 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0009542 = 7.8244 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: hi.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: heya
jurov: ello
Duffer1: ni
Duffer1: hi even
fluffypony: group hug!
bitcoinpete: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html
ozbot: Schneier on Security: Cryptanalysis of SHA-1
bitcoinpete: an oldie
bitcoinpete: there's an old saying inside the NSA: "Attacks always get better; they never get worse."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00095299 = 15.0096 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-16/richest-man-asia-selling-everything-china
ozbot: The Richest Man In Asia Is Selling Everything In China | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0009561 = 33.519 BTC [+] {3}
bitcoinpete: there's a reason li ka-shing made a token investment in bitpay: best way to buy off-market coins is off merchants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00095785 = 10.8065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2794 @ 0.00072505 = 2.0258 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095673 = 9.4238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00095906 = 14.6257 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> later all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00095996 = 2.5708 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0049998 = 0.31 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: a well.
kakobrekla: i go.
HeySteve: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/238ew5/warning_serious_issues_at_cryptsy/
ozbot: [WARNING] Serious issues at Cryptsy : dogecoin
kakobrekla: wtf dogecoin foundation, really.
jurov: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689790241052816&set=vb.109662802398899&type=2&theater just watch and relax.
kakobrekla: arent you suppose to be here
jurov: its friday already?
kakobrekla: ah, no, someone else is early
kakobrekla: sorry
jurov: np :)
jurov: good for you
kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :)
jurov: well, if you said in advance...
kakobrekla: m?
jurov: i could go a day earlier, too
kakobrekla: ah.
jurov: but i got sick anyway, better stay here a day and get better
kakobrekla: nothing serious ?
jurov: looks like not
kakobrekla: cool
Naphex: morning
kakobrekla: heya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00095603 = 7.9389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0075 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/iSec_Final_Open_Crypto_Audit_Project_TrueCrypt_Security_Assessment.pdf
kakobrekla: Vulnerability Summary
kakobrekla: Total High severity issues
kakobrekla: Zero (0)
kakobrekla: Total Medium severity issues
kakobrekla: Four (4)
kakobrekla: Total Low severity issues
kakobrekla: Four (4)
kakobrekla: (to be taken with a grain of salt, excluding crypto parts !)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00499999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
Duffer1: !up b3nkay
assbot: Voicing b3nkay for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: sorry was afk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00096087 = 36.0807 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12796 @ 0.00095916 = 12.2734 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00095329 = 8.796 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay: wish i got to do not much ;) << the real mark of being rich.
kakobrekla: they why the fuck are you telling me the work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete yeah, and bitcoin forum investment always gets better, it never gets worse.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: then*
mircea_popescu: o look who's here! yo kako!
kakobrekla: hi
fluffypony: mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: ima go pick up mike and then have a drink with you two
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr was saying she's gonna show up too
kakobrekla: when is this happening?
mircea_popescu: coupla hours.
kakobrekla: aha
mircea_popescu: gee, don't sound so excited :D
kakobrekla: lol well i have been in the bar now for some time, if you gonna be couple of hrs i might change my drinks.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: lampelina stayed at home. :|
mircea_popescu: lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?
mircea_popescu: ahahah what!
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla hides.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so go pick up someone.
kakobrekla: nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.
mircea_popescu: if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu was being serious that time.
kakobrekla: i know :|
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.
kakobrekla: lel
mircea_popescu: jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!
kakobrekla: well you know you are welcome to visit .si
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'll tell you honestly what happened.
mircea_popescu: i tried. like 5 times.
kakobrekla: liex
kakobrekla: lies
mircea_popescu: i keep ending up in austria, hungary, austria
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: it's like... uncanny
mircea_popescu: can't stop the car fast enough
kakobrekla: did ya miss the left turn?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is isec
jurov: "looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D
mircea_popescu: jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious
jurov: lol
kakobrekla: i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.
mircea_popescu: "maybe it's typhoid!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yay!
kakobrekla: ;)
mircea_popescu: i guess you can have a new drink on me then :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: ill take it!
jurov: and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements
mircea_popescu: anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!
jurov: or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]
kakobrekla: call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what, your cell works here ?
kakobrekla: it shouldnt?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. anyway! laters.
kakobrekla: later
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition
ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: fluffypony this ^
fluffypony: tks
jurov: i'm going too
kakobrekla: fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.
jurov: 1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!
fluffypony: very cool
fluffypony: maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that
Naphex: pff
Naphex: hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?
kakobrekla: yes
fluffypony contemplates a Romanian holiday
Naphex: TM, is a 2 hour drive
Naphex: from here / Oradea
fluffypony: Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?
Naphex: fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: come to South Africa on holiday
fluffypony: it's beautiful here
Naphex: hehe i bet :)
Naphex: there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something
Naphex: like that
kakobrekla: romania reminds me of bosnia tbh.
kakobrekla: mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.
kakobrekla: all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings
Naphex: well, atleast we got potholes
Naphex: to make it up
kakobrekla: a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo
kakobrekla: on the road.
kakobrekla: prolly fixed by now
kakobrekla: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cryptsy-in-disarray/2014/04/17
kakobrekla: another one bites the dust
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch
kakobrekla: dogecoin eh
kakobrekla: so in the end its more trouble than its worth
fluffypony: they've been on forks so often
fluffypony: when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork
kakobrekla: dogecoin is 20mh ?
kakobrekla: how much gpus is that
kakobrekla: (i have no experience with scrypt)
fluffypony: no, it's not, but other coins are
fluffypony: dogecoin is reasonably large atm
kakobrekla: can we estimate gpu count?
fluffypony: "networkhashps" : 84463584340,
kakobrekla: how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make
kakobrekla: ?
fluffypony: ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm
fluffypony: and a 7950 hashes at ~700kh/s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin
fluffypony: yep
fluffypony: at least 120k
kakobrekla: zomg
fluffypony: (the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)
kakobrekla: terrible
fluffypony: average card cost is like $200?
fluffypony: $24 000 000
kakobrekla: and burns 200w
HeySteve: hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning
HeySteve: be interesting if it falls over
davout: kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?
kakobrekla: since yesterday evening
kakobrekla: anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk
kakobrekla: later.
davout: hf!
davout: argh
davout: gonna rain this week end apparently
HeySteve: so the final ruling is expected in June huh?
HeySteve: I will let you guys know if it's accepted
HeySteve: oh wrong window :/
fluffypony: davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]
davout: fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form
davout: fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet
fluffypony: yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective
davout: but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway
fluffypony: well it's a tough space
fluffypony: because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet
fluffypony: but there are tons of people who want to
davout: first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it
fluffypony: davout: BIP38 the key?
davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore
fluffypony: on the client side, I mean
davout: yeah, that would be a solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: thanks
fluffypony: np
TestingUnoDosTre: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s
TestingUnoDosTre: Twenty tree blocks!
mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6}
TestingUnoDosTre: I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?
TestingUnoDosTre: Pretty unique venue
mrstickball: That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out
mrstickball: 1% APY since last year
TestingUnoDosTre: Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO
TestingUnoDosTre: Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...
mrstickball: certainly, but why so much volume?
mrstickball: you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day
TestingUnoDosTre: It's probably the the only stock worth trading on MPOE
mrstickball: could be
mrstickball: why have they never listed other companies?
mrstickball: It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks
TestingUnoDosTre: Both of those are outright fucked
mrstickball: Cryptostocks is, certainly
mrstickball: but my point was both try to list new companies
TestingUnoDosTre: Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november
pankkake: it has listed other companies
pankkake: http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mrstickball: They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right
fluffypony: mrstickball: can't comment on the accuracy/efficacy of this article, but here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
pankkake: that seems to be the case
TestingUnoDosTre: I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing
TestingUnoDosTre: But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses
mrstickball: right
mrstickball: I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]
mrstickball: its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view
fluffypony: oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform
mrstickball: but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not
mrstickball: hmm
mrstickball: interesting
fluffypony: who now works with MP on S.NSA
mrstickball: right
mrstickball: which is interesting
TestingUnoDosTre: Ascii is a chick?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]
fluffypony: no
TestingUnoDosTre: Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh that's just a quote
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders
fluffypony: imho
TestingUnoDosTre: But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around
jurov: what's the problem with using broker?
fluffypony: besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC
fluffypony: https://coinbr.com/about
ozbot: About CoinBr
fluffypony: "Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."
TestingUnoDosTre: The fees are more than I pay fidelity
fluffypony: "Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"
fluffypony: "BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."
mrstickball: I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication
fluffypony: R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: thanks
mrstickball: I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT
fluffypony: mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious
TestingUnoDosTre: And its also counterparty risk
TestingUnoDosTre: It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?
fluffypony shrugs
fluffypony: it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that
mrstickball: oh well
mrstickball: so what other exchanges are out there currently?
mrstickball: MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?
jurov: and lulzbourse
pankkake: Crypto-Trade
fluffypony: jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?
pankkake: (me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)
fluffypony: :-P
fluffypony: mrstickball: Litecoininvest
mrstickball: ah yeah
mrstickball: why'd I forget LTCI
pankkake: oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day
fluffypony: CipherTrade (lol)
fluffypony ^5 pankkake
fluffypony: you owe me a coke
fluffypony: mrstickball: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ <- if you read through that and the follow up BitBet article it gives pause...compare that to Moolah's IPO (on their blog) or the stringent "requirements" for listing on most exchanges
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2}
mrstickball: I hear you
mrstickball: ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are
fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing
TestingUnoDosTre: Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange
mrstickball: I already have a fair amount of backing
mrstickball: I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger
fluffypony: I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?
TestingUnoDosTre: Well are you running and generating cash flow yet?
mrstickball: yes
mrstickball: $500,000 last year
mrstickball: $100,000/mo currently
mrstickball: just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: mrstickball: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114507.0
fluffypony: they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts
fluffypony: the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2}
mrstickball: interesting
fluffypony: and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141016.0
ozbot: [Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital
TestingUnoDosTre: Got a website mrstickball? Would like to check out
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: buyahash.com
mrstickball: BuyAHash.com
mrstickball: We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore
mrstickball: I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer
mrstickball: so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)
TestingUnoDosTre: Don't care about aesthetics, not too much value to them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]
Duffer1: mrstickball are you Benny?
TestingUnoDosTre: This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?
mrstickball: yes?
mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: which miners?
mrstickball: Grids? GPUs?
rithm: why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me
mrstickball: its a good racket for the people selling the contracts
rithm: yes. yes i know.
mrstickball: now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner
Duffer1: mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?
mrstickball: you can make a killing there if it works right
mrstickball: Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions
Duffer1: i see
mrstickball: so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options
fluffypony: Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade
fluffypony: but I admit to a bit of cold feet
mrstickball: we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around
mrstickball: CT will be great once its up
Duffer1: if it can get up
fluffypony: yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up
fluffypony: I had an agreement with Kate
mrstickball: Si will honor the agreement
fluffypony: and that agreement looks to have fallen away
mrstickball: and I can vouch for you
Duffer1: ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y
fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]
mrstickball: unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over
mrstickball: due to health
fluffypony: he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move
mrstickball: all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic
fluffypony: mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault
mrstickball: if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues
fluffypony nods
fluffypony: I agree
Apocalyptic: Si ?
Duffer1: imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault
mrstickball: pretty much
mrstickball: Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR
fluffypony: Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan
mrstickball: they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods
Duffer1: ya would have been nice if there was one
mrstickball: so they do have working capital
mrstickball: Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: is Kate bi-polar?
fluffypony: I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice
mrstickball: I wish I could tell you
mrstickball: for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time
Duffer1: Jon W = Deprived?
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: fluffypony what's your project that your listing?
fluffypony: Duffer1: OpenRigs
Duffer1: oh cool
mrstickball: Duffer1: yeah
mrstickball: sorry about the delayed response
Duffer1: no worries
mrstickball: Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd
Duffer1: you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person
mrstickball: and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood
mrstickball: but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud
Duffer1: oh snap
Duffer1: how long ago?
mrstickball: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411533/John-Wood-killed-motorway-hours-stand-trial-6-figure-fraud.html
ozbot: John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M
Duffer1: kate's dad?
mrstickball: I am trying to dig that up
mrstickball: I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK
mrstickball: so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: Holy shiy
Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5686030#msg5686030
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)
artifexd: mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?
mrstickball: they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised
mrstickball: due to selling out on Amazon, for example
mrstickball: which item are you looking at?
artifexd: The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked
mrstickball: ah
mrstickball: yeah, we have about 60 in
Duffer1: unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person
fluffypony: maybe John K == Deprived
mrstickball: that'd also be interesting
mrstickball: Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time
mrstickball: certainly a strange coincidence.
Duffer1: oh i agree
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: Ok so that ice fury is for bitcoin right
artifexd: I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.
fluffypony: mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British
Duffer1: female sounding hehe
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: a very effeminate Briton
TestingUnoDosTre: I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs
fluffypony: sounds about right
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never
mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: on a Grid?
TestingUnoDosTre: For ice fury
TestingUnoDosTre: That's what I'm saying
mrstickball: ahh
TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't the inventory worthless?
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it
mrstickball: Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them
artifexd: I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.
mrstickball: I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out
mrstickball: artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC
fluffypony: you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay
mrstickball: but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good
TestingUnoDosTre: I know that
artifexd: mrstickball: exactly
mrstickball: mining is a hedge against huge diff increases
TestingUnoDosTre: Opposite
mrstickball: if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow
TestingUnoDosTre: Mining gets racked against huge diff increase
artifexd: AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.
fluffypony: yeah
Duffer1: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right
nubbins`: hi
fluffypony: so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever
mrstickball: yeah
mrstickball: they are just about there
artifexd: mircea_popescu`: I was too slow
mrstickball: 110nm -> 55nm is huge
nubbins`: artifexd: see hostname ;(
mrstickball: 55nm -> 28nm is also huge
fluffypony: yep
mrstickball: but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large
artifexd: !up mircea_popescu`
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu` for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months
mircea_popescu`: o hay
mrstickball: and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower
mrstickball: yeah. Its still a bad proposition
TestingUnoDosTre: Daily diff change?
mrstickball: yeah
TestingUnoDosTre: So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?
mrstickball: let me find the chart
mrstickball: on this batch of Ice furies, its commission
mrstickball: but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on
mrstickball: rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me
artifexd: Scrypt asics?
mircea_popescu`: aite, that's all for now :) laters all.
mrstickball: yeah
benkay: have fun confrees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?
nubbins`: ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts
mrstickball: yeah
mrstickball: let me pull the chart
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?
nubbins`: easily, but an unexpected speed bump
benkay: nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?
nubbins`: well, apparently not ;D
mrstickball: http://bitmine.ch/growth.png
nubbins`: needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly
mrstickball: that was the chart I was looking at
TestingUnoDosTre: Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?
mrstickball: it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change
mrstickball: otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase
TestingUnoDosTre: So how is mining a hedge against diff increase?
mrstickball: its a hedge against the belief it increases
mrstickball: e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster
mrstickball: for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more
mrstickball: because difficulty did not increase between June and October
TestingUnoDosTre: Let's talk about btc here
TestingUnoDosTre: Where difficulty increases
mrstickball: right
TestingUnoDosTre: Because it's quite the opposite
mrstickball: again, the issue is with the declining diff increases
mrstickball: as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September
mrstickball: from 3% daily to 1% daily
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked
TestingUnoDosTre: But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre
TestingUnoDosTre: Just means the diff increase are tapering off
fluffypony: how are you calculating ROI?
TestingUnoDosTre: Let's say you have USD today
TestingUnoDosTre: Question is- purchase btc, or purchase rig
benkay: btc
fluffypony: btc
fluffypony: always
TestingUnoDosTre: No shit
TestingUnoDosTre: So who is buying his rigs?
benkay: unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.
fluffypony: benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers
fluffypony: you can't do that with ASICs
nubbins`: benkay +1
TestingUnoDosTre: The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base
benkay: if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?
nubbins`: if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well
nubbins`: "for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"
TestingUnoDosTre: Please explain fluff.
fluffypony: nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"
TestingUnoDosTre: And don't use the whole securing the network argument
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network
nubbins`: blown caps are where it's at
fluffypony: you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't want to hear about shitcoins
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example
TestingUnoDosTre: Mkay
fluffypony: it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer
fluffypony: final product not so much
benkay: fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.
fluffypony: but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner
fluffypony: *miners
fluffypony: they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity
benkay: they don't matter or count.
benkay: the only ones who do are the large farms.
fluffypony: some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter
TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: exactly
fluffypony: benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market
fluffypony: and whether it's a scam
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner
TestingUnoDosTre: Its not a scam as much as a questionable business venture
fluffypony: not the large farms
benkay: it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?
benkay: o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?
fluffypony: we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P
fluffypony: benkay: no
fluffypony: benkay: buyahash.com
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining
benkay: who cares?
fluffypony: or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it
fluffypony: benkay: TestingUnoDosTre does :)
TestingUnoDosTre: What about knc. Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?
benkay: it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap
benkay: "buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"
fluffypony: benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion
fluffypony: doesn't make the vendor questionable per se
TestingUnoDosTre: Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt
benkay: except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.
fluffypony: I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush
benkay: fellatious
TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true
fluffypony: mmmm fellatio
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that
TestingUnoDosTre: It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner
fluffypony: mmm anal lingus
fluffypony: no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!
TestingUnoDosTre: Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous, but not that quick on my feet
benkay: who's complaining?
TestingUnoDosTre: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ervrPG8Q1qcr2gxo1_500.jpg
benkay: oz's back!
benkay: lovely.
TestingUnoDosTre: Oz is amazing
fluffypony: benkay: benkay : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
fluffypony: "Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"
fluffypony: :-P
benkay: oh the forum
benkay: figured as much.
TestingUnoDosTre: It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4}
TestingUnoDosTre: regards*
benkay: ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.
TestingUnoDosTre: Fucking auto correct
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed
TestingUnoDosTre: Hoe about businesses upon businesses upon businesses?
benkay: perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.
fluffypony: getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall
TestingUnoDosTre: Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though
benkay: who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Bitstamp, btc, havelock, etc
TestingUnoDosTre: Btce
fluffypony: I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default
benkay: it's just a damn fog of scam out there
fluffypony: btc-e are an interesting one
fluffypony: they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't
TestingUnoDosTre: Long live the long con
fluffypony: yeah but how long?
benkay: just about 7.5"
fluffypony: they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?
fluffypony: benkay: not bad
fluffypony gets a ruler
TestingUnoDosTre: How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?
TestingUnoDosTre: Not worried about actual ones of course
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
fluffypony shrugs
fluffypony: Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest
fluffypony: them and StrongCoin
TestingUnoDosTre: How about smartphone stuff. How big are those?
benkay: pennies
TestingUnoDosTre: What about pennies?
benkay: that's what's in the btc smartphone market.
TestingUnoDosTre: Ah
TestingUnoDosTre: How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge
benkay: selling 'em appears to work.
fluffypony: no clue
benkay: nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.
fluffypony: everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming
fluffypony: and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: what's the cost right now on an ATM?
fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
mrstickball: I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store
ozbot: Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama
benkay: mrstickball: 1kusd give or take
mrstickball: nice
TestingUnoDosTre: I though it was more like 10
mrstickball: I assumed 10
TestingUnoDosTre: Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US
mrstickball: ahhh
mrstickball: as the ATM owner/operator?
benkay: there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's
mrstickball: benkay: it'd be interesting
mrstickball: the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products
mrstickball: my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store
benkay: ;;gettrust mrstickball
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
mrstickball: benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth
TestingUnoDosTre: Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?
benkay: i don't care, man.
mrstickball: airport? ha
mrstickball: I've done cash through mail though
mrstickball: felt strange
fluffypony: CIM?
fluffypony: :-P
TestingUnoDosTre: Seriously, I travel through airports frequently
fluffypony: !ud CIM
TestingUnoDosTre: !Up CIM
assbot: Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: no
benkay: ;;ud cim
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
fluffypony: wasn't what I was trying to do
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM
fluffypony: there we go
fluffypony: tks benkay
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
TestingUnoDosTre: Cash through mail- did you wait to send btc until cash was received?
cgcardona_: : has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.
mrstickball: uh, yeah, TestingUnoDosTre
mrstickball: I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK
mrstickball: but I bet I'm on a government list now
mrstickball: I told him to do a cashiers check
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
nubbins`: ;;ud cim
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM
mrstickball: and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it
mrstickball: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: Did you inspect all the bills?
cgcardona_: What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?
benkay: scam.
mrstickball: there are so many weird coins out
mrstickball: would be worth looking
cgcardona_: I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?
fluffypony: cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin
fluffypony: eg. ponycoin?
mrstickball: DOGECoin?
fluffypony: benkay: ^^^
benkay: look
benkay: i am a purchaser of compute
benkay: i am not paying per operation.
benkay: i am not running on your distributed compute network.
benkay: i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.
benkay: distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.
pankkake: fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.
pankkake: !up pircea_momescu
assbot: Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.
pankkake: is ethereum a scam?
pircea_momescu: pankkake ethereum is a scam !
fluffypony: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind
fluffypony: ethereum is amazing!
fluffypony hugs assbot
fluffypony: pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan
TestingUnoDosTre: What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?
benkay: that's a good basis point for your analysis.
pankkake: it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why
cgcardona_: i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy
benkay: billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/
TestingUnoDosTre: And what's with the fake MPs today?
TestingUnoDosTre: Complete garbage
mrstickball: lol
mrstickball: Krugman
benkay: classic internet
benkay: don't read thing
fluffypony: I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum
TestingUnoDosTre: Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence
benkay: just mock
fluffypony: but I agree with benkay
mrstickball: benkay: how often do you read Krugman?
benkay: mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.
fluffypony: you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system
mrstickball: How much Krugman do you read?
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)
TestingUnoDosTre: That's the whole thing. Its a book review
fluffypony: so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?
benkay: i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.
TestingUnoDosTre: I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago
TestingUnoDosTre: Have you read his thing on bitcoin?
benkay: cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.
mrstickball: he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more
fluffypony: benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list
cgcardona_: DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.
pankkake: http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/me_guns/krugman_cat.jpg
mrstickball: he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians
benkay: mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.
TestingUnoDosTre: I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism
mrstickball: the book is arguing a point without context
mrstickball: its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors
TestingUnoDosTre: I'll read the book. Love formatting my own opinion
mrstickball: you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income
nubbins`: what format do you use for your opinions?
fluffypony: nubbins`: markdown
nubbins`: not bad
benkay: amateur
benkay: latex is for professional opinions.
benkay: mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?
mrstickball: regulatory atmosphere, primarily
nubbins`: but what's LaTeX for? ;(
mrstickball: he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE
mrstickball: we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history
benkay: that's quite a claim.
mrstickball: benkay: I can substantiate it easily
mrstickball: you want the US tax code by pages?
mrstickball: or would you prefer my compliance costs?
benkay: sounds a lot like correlation
benkay: and not a whit like causation
mrstickball: its a partial cause
mrstickball: when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?
mrstickball: *$15,000 per person
benkay: how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cabbie-beaten-in-st-john-s-forefinger-and-thumb-severed-1.2611975
ozbot: Cabbie beaten in St. John's, forefinger and thumb severed - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: ^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0
mrstickball: regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor
TestingUnoDosTre: Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than
benkay: ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it
benkay: i for one don't care about inequality
mrstickball: benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department
benkay: seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone
benkay: software
benkay: comply on taxes and employment
mrstickball: how much do you pay for HR and accounting?
benkay: none right now, sometime soon that'll change.
mrstickball: how many employees?
benkay: well accounting i do pay for
benkay: some thousands per year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]
benkay: can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .
mrstickball: benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments
benkay: respond in two ways
benkay: as if i have 1 employee
benkay: and as if i have 20
mrstickball: if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4
mrstickball: since in software, you can contract more
mrstickball: because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect
mrstickball: all adds to my cost of doing business
mrstickball: same thing with hardware/IP acquisitions
benkay: okay hey so a question
mrstickball: much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist
benkay: you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?
mrstickball: generally, no
TestingUnoDosTre: How much is workers comp in a software environment?
benkay: what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?
fluffypony: benkay
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I comply with state guidelines on contractors
mrstickball: e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
benkay: defo prefer 1099's
numerisTrade: hello everyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]
mrstickball: benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer
mrstickball: I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork
mrstickball: I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.
mrstickball: Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory
mrstickball: (and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)
benkay: banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.
mrstickball: Its not fun in the least
mrstickball: so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security
benkay: what's your company?
mrstickball: BuyAHash among others
cgcardona_: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/bitcoin-and-the-three-laws-of-robotics/#.U1AHcOZdVUV <--- interesting read comparing Bitcoin (big B) with DAC
ozbot: Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics | Lets Talk Bitcoin
cgcardona_: ^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)
benkay: haw funny, you mrstickball
benkay: what is this analysis company?
mrstickball: video game company
mrstickball: I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH
benkay: specifics?
benkay: we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.
benkay: kinda allergic at this point.
mrstickball: We track video game sales for digital games
benkay: yes but what is your url
benkay: who are you
benkay: etc
mrstickball: then sell the charts to interested parties
mrstickball: http://analytics.fadellc.com/
ozbot: Fade - Digital download sales reports
benkay: http://fadellc.com/legal/
benkay: ouch
mrstickball: front end has had some issues due to WP
benkay: site's kinda broken
benkay: ouuuuch: http://fadellc.com/ios-reports-and-sales-data/
mrstickball: front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH
benkay: wp, eh?
mrstickball: Whats the URL to your company, by the way?
benkay: needs moar css, clearly.
benkay: http://survantjames.com
mrstickball: neato
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
ozbot: About
benkay: let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.
mrstickball: there you go
mrstickball: I may
mrstickball: what are your rates?
benkay: north of a hundred an hour
benkay: closing in on two
mrstickball: I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)
mrstickball: ah
benkay: fixed bid's another story, though.
benkay: you could get a lot done for 10k.
benkay: course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.
mrstickball: could
mrstickball: 10k for BuyAHash?
mrstickball: or 10k for FADE?
benkay: i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.
benkay: 10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.
mrstickball: right
mrstickball: the backend of FADE is well over that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]
benkay: well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in
benkay: but that seems to be the one that needs the most work
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up
benkay: haha
benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
benkay: wait hang on
benkay: ;;unrate mrstickball
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
benkay: i'm going to want to see you auth in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]
mrstickball: yeah
mrstickball: give me awhile
mrstickball: I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC
benkay: you don't have to do that to auth
mrstickball: eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain
fluffypony: you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?
benkay: yup.
benkay: i mean
benkay: unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...
benkay: mrstickball: does it work?
cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://survantjames.com/
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: ty cgcardona_
cgcardona_: np
cgcardona_: am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.
benkay: mindless blathering
cgcardona_: heh
benkay: just assume everything was written drunk
cgcardona_: I always do
benkay: you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com
cgcardona_: sure no prob
benkay: the former's vastly more relevant to the wot
benkay: again ty
benkay: ;;rate cgcardona_ 1
artifexd: cgcardona_: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html <- my favorite benkay post
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://cascadianhacker.com/
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.
fluffypony: artifexd: seconded
benkay: short and sweet.
benkay: gotta do more of 'em.
benkay: i'd like to do one on ethereum too
cgcardona_: i'd like to read that one.
benkay: a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.
benkay: that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.
benkay: fml.
cgcardona_: haha
fluffypony: hah
TestingUnoDosTre: Benkay, are you cascadianhacker
fluffypony: ;;rate benkay 1 best ben on freenode
TestingUnoDosTre: Nvm
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
jurov: benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?
TestingUnoDosTre: Pre alpha
jurov: anything usable yet?
jurov: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet
benkay: i hear buggy testnet
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my statute of limitations. That's refuckingdiculous
fluffypony: BingoBoingo:)
BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !down mrstickball
cgcardona_: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #btc-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.msg6269549#msg6269549 … and now he edited them
ozbot: [QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
pankkake: it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata
benkay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
ozbot: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
benkay: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
benkay: mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?
mrstickball: was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC
pankkake: benkay: WTF?!
TestingUnoDosTre: What was with the fake MPs in here today
benkay: pretty wild, eh pankkake ?
benkay: i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism
benkay: much fog of war
pankkake: it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
TestingUnoDosTre: Jewspiracy
TestingUnoDosTre: Only worse thing is... witchcraft!
benkay: errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure
TestingUnoDosTre: Did you see that pircea_momescu left. What's with that shit
pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?
TestingUnoDosTre: !Up mrstickball
assbot: Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.
pankkake: besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk
pankkake: ;;gettrust mrstickball
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
TestingUnoDosTre: There was one mircea_popescu' earlier
pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
gribble: Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.
pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
pankkake: you can !up yourself now
mrstickball: trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble
pankkake: ahah
TestingUnoDosTre: Buy a hash sounds like a good cannabis company too
mrstickball: it does
TestingUnoDosTre: Are you Mrs tick ball?
mrstickball: not quite
pankkake: gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company
TestingUnoDosTre: So true. Apparently they tried to bust some miner
mrstickball: odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously
mrstickball: do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?
TestingUnoDosTre: !Down mrstickball
TestingUnoDosTre: Meh
pankkake: the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up
pankkake: in the GUI
TestingUnoDosTre: Did that work there? Didn't see an assbot response
pankkake: lowercase D
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?
TestingUnoDosTre: Power trip
benkay: ah
benkay: let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?
benkay: might even get some help
mrstickball: Gribble is being a pain
mrstickball: the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain
TestingUnoDosTre: Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?
mrstickball: !gettrust Mrstickball
mrstickball: ;;gettrust Mrstickball
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user Mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=Mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
mrstickball: there
benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
mrstickball: so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..
benkay: you'll probably want to gpg up
TestingUnoDosTre: Gribbles being a cranky hitch today
mrstickball: gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first
pankkake: I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process
mrstickball: no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC
benkay: well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff
mrstickball: new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence
pankkake: http://pastebin.com/sHftSFsQ quick and dirty
ozbot: #/bin/bash -eu echo "gpg eauth ${USER}" echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google xclip command
gribble: xclip: Command-Line Clipboard - ServerWatch: <http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3826261/xclip-CommandLine-Clipboard.htm>; AutoCAD 2010 User Documentation: XCLIP - Autodesk: <http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2010/ENU/AutoCAD%202010%20User%20Documentation/files/WS1a9193826455f5ffa23ce210c4a30acaf-5207.htm>; Copy Shell Prompt Output To Linux / UNIX X Clipboard (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
numerisTrade: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
TestingUnoDosTre: What did you guys bet on?
numerisTrade: Copa del Rey, soccer
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked
TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh
numerisTrade: well, yeah, that would be more precise
TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?
TestingUnoDosTre: Numeristrade, you answered my question
jurov: no afaik it was same from beginning
jurov: but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000
BingoBoingo: Yeah
numerisTrade: the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely
TestingUnoDosTre: Sadly, not an option
jurov: why?
TestingUnoDosTre: My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1
TestingUnoDosTre: Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: Try and sell timeweight shares as price jumps up and down
TestingUnoDosTre: Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day
TestingUnoDosTre: Discrete isn't really needed though
TestingUnoDosTre: Could accomplish what I was saying with the continuous
TestingUnoDosTre: Does what I'm saying make sense though?
fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: Any thoughts on my proposal?
cgcardona_: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
davout: so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?
fluffypony: davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them
davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho
TestingUnoDosTre: I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit
fluffypony: davout: XSS then?
davout: also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted
TestingUnoDosTre: Surprise buttsexed. How so?
davout: fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug
davout: looks more like it's server-side
fluffypony: true
davout: TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise
TestingUnoDosTre: But what happened- got an article?
TestingUnoDosTre: I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges
davout: TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: if you don't mind reading something written by a 15 year old, http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/reports-localbitcoins-funds-missing/2014/04/17
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
fluffypony: I'm not joking, he's 15 - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/busterroni
TestingUnoDosTre: As long as he is respectable
artifexd: Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?
TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck
fluffypony: artifexd: 5 year agreement
davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica
bounce: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 burn millions, have nothing to show for it, get away with it because "aw, so young"
ozbot: Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider
fluffypony: davout: yeah, CoinBase own it
artifexd: I disapprove
davout: fluffypony: do they? source?
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: davout: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-info-acquires-bitcoin-com-domain-name/ - "Previously the domain was used by Coinbase a customer acquisition channel."
davout: fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did
davout: fluffypony: used, not owned
fluffypony: ah
fluffypony: I misread that as owned, sorry
fluffypony: http://bitcoin.com/images/news_icon.png
fluffypony: they're pushing that retarded symbol hard
benkay: i love seeing shitty startups go down
benkay: bounce: ^^
davout: the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com
davout: which as we say in france
davout: is fucking gay
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame
pankkake: during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")
fluffypony: davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?
TestingUnoDosTre: No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning
TestingUnoDosTre: The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead
davout: fluffypony: mebbe
fluffypony: bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?
benkay: fluffypony: welcome to the circus.
fluffypony: davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use
davout: i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay
jurov: in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds
fluffypony: jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?
jurov: prolly yes, i don't remember
jurov: i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine
numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?
numerisTrade: jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker
TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines
TestingUnoDosTre: Got*
TestingUnoDosTre: Gpg*****
jurov: yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it
TestingUnoDosTre: Why not just broker it myself?
TestingUnoDosTre: Gain some wot
jurov: yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book
jurov: i'm thinking wholesale :)
numerisTrade: jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course
TestingUnoDosTre: 50% broker fees
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]
jurov: aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too
jurov: should ask him tomorrow
fluffypony: benkay: http://i.imgur.com/FyDyzym.png
jurov: they forgot to apply securities regulations, too
pankkake: and carbon emission regulations
numerisTrade: http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bitcoin-has-a-dark-side-its-carbon-footprint/
ozbot: Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my I love when haters bring that up
nubbins`: just got rear-ended :(
TestingUnoDosTre: The world's most secure asset registry uses electricity! !!
fluffypony: nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though
nubbins`: yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on
nubbins`: guy didn't even slow down
fluffypony: what a d-bag
fluffypony: did he apologise?
nubbins`: nah
TestingUnoDosTre: Next article is about greencoin, the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine
nubbins`: young fella
TomServo: how fast were they going?
TestingUnoDosTre: Did you break his legs?
nubbins`: maybe 50-60km/h
nubbins`: i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic
TestingUnoDosTre: Damn!
nubbins`: bumper cars
TestingUnoDosTre: Lol are you fcking kidding me
TomServo: I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though. That sucked.
nubbins`: oof, i'd say
nubbins`: i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck
TomServo: Yep!
TomServo: If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out. I was all rearranged in there.
nubbins`: yipes
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh o m
TomServo: No lasting injuries though, so yay for that. Just sore a few days/week.
TestingUnoDosTre: This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there
nubbins`: good
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes
nubbins`: the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me
TomServo: Coincidentally or you saw him coming?
nubbins`: glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas
nubbins`: funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast
nubbins`: saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me
nubbins`: anyway, i need a drink
nubbins`: peace
TomServo: cheers nubbins`
jurov: http://opensslrampage.org ( strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) got me)
jurov: !up ozbot
assbot: I don't do bots, jurov.
bounce: didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: /* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */
BingoBoingo: “Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? “A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly” … time to upgrade.”
BingoBoingo: — tedu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: !Up chairman_meow
assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
fidogeh: thanks
fidogeh: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/0xOVD5F.png
fluffypony: why did they delete that post?
kakobrekla: cause they are retards
kakobrekla: this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.
kakobrekla: so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.
bounce: how long ago was that, then?
kakobrekla: months
bounce: nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message
bounce: gah. hungry again.
cgcardona_: bounce.eat('grinds')
mircea_popescu: peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096
mircea_popescu: the other is that signature reads out 4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey there >D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2}
chairman_meow: 1024 is predicted to be broken by 2020
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete til tatiana moroz lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
chairman_meow: i mean we already broke 768
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396
mircea_popescu: o look at that, garcia marquez croaked.
nubbins`: what?
nubbins`: i was talking about him like two days ago
mircea_popescu: prolly what did it.
kakobrekla: o hey you are fast mp
nubbins`: no doubt :(
nubbins`: shame
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla faster than a speedin' bullet.
nubbins`: guy wrote beautiful prose
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.0
ozbot: [IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading
mircea_popescu: "Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""
kakobrekla: lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.
mircea_popescu: "The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!
mircea_popescu: "We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."
mircea_popescu: this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.
mircea_popescu: i hope they at least offer 7% a week.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: jesus i have a huge pile of news here.
mircea_popescu: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526726/broad-institute-gets-patent-on-revolutionary-gene-editing-method/
ozbot: Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review
nubbins`: they make planes in canada? :D
mircea_popescu: where do you think all those beercans go
nubbins`: wait, bombardier
nubbins`: also avro arrow, RIP
mircea_popescu: i thought bombardier made train cars.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ as you can see, us shutting up is actually beneficial.
nubbins`: all types of stuff
kakobrekla: fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.
mircea_popescu: benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.
mircea_popescu: who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?
cgcardona_: awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)
nubbins`: mostly prop planes, i think
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.
mircea_popescu: k ?
cgcardona_: sure
mircea_popescu: ;;rated cgcardona_
gribble: You have not yet rated user cgcardona_
cgcardona_: when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first
mircea_popescu: ;;rate cgcardona_ -5 testing assbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ prolly not
cgcardona_: test
cgcardona_: ok i'll try
cgcardona_: brb
mircea_popescu: you gotta part to lose voice first
cgcardona_: ok
nubbins`: wow
kakobrekla: depends if you and gribble have another common channel
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D
kakobrekla: if you dont, you need to reath
kakobrekla: reauth
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is true.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ did it work ? (pm)
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
mircea_popescu: meh
kakobrekla: it went down just one point!?
mircea_popescu: yes cause assbot trusts us to 1
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.
mircea_popescu: aha kk.
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate cgcardona_
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla max of -1 passed cause assbot trust is 1
kakobrekla: seems weird
mircea_popescu: notrly, it's how it works.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ thanks for halping.
cgcardona_: np
kakobrekla: then how it works is weird.
mircea_popescu: whai ?
kakobrekla: im not sure
mircea_popescu: scam.
kakobrekla: the logic does not seem apparent
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.
mircea_popescu: if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5
kakobrekla: O_O
kakobrekla: now you are just making stuff up
kakobrekla: why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5
kakobrekla: this is wrong.
mircea_popescu: why ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: so a +1 will limit negative to -1 ?
mircea_popescu: i think this is cannonical wot.
mircea_popescu: yes.
cgcardona_: but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?
kakobrekla: how is this better over leaving it to go to -10
cgcardona_: my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection
cgcardona_: can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?
cgcardona_: <----------(still learning)
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: ;;rated gigavps
gribble: You have not yet rated user gigavps
nubbins`: ;;gettrust gigavps
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011
nubbins`: he's right
nubbins`: i had no idea
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov
cgcardona_: got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks
nubbins`: there are no dw questions, just dw people
nubbins`: JUST KIDDING :D
cgcardona_: heh
benkay: ;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: da fuck
nubbins`: tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary
nubbins`: that's what ya get for not Ring TFM
benkay: ;;ident mlapeter
gribble: Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.
Namworld: Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.
davout: mircea_popescu: ><
davout: heh
fluffypony: Namworld: apparently you defaulted
mircea_popescu: mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself << this is a very old discussion. you can start with 2012 : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
fluffypony: and the lurkers saw it
mircea_popescu: Namworld im not reading that shit, cliffnotes ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."
Namworld: I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".
fluffypony: the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."
mircea_popescu: Namworld either that or stop reading forum derpage :p
fluffypony: I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool
Namworld: Bwahaha ^
mircea_popescu: iirc this was a 2013 thing.
mircea_popescu: people took it seriously.
mircea_popescu: mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.
benkay: how wude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
mircea_popescu: eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.
mircea_popescu: people need a jolt.
mircea_popescu: if i may be excused a repost, http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
mircea_popescu: wow.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea reddit is THAT shitty.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah
fluffypony: it's absurd
fluffypony: and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers
cgcardona_: fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr started a trend!!1
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log
mircea_popescu: so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.
cgcardona_: mass market solution to a mass market product
benkay: troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living
mircea_popescu: benkay so the hope goes.
fluffypony: heh
benkay: just being user friendly, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: benkay we can't all be assholes.
benkay: i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.
benkay: as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'
mircea_popescu: The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future.” << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1
benkay: woman's a bit of a knut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D
fluffypony: so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)
mircea_popescu: "Flappy" ? wtf is flappy ?
fluffypony: so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely
mircea_popescu: fluffypony fill it with doge sucks material lol
kakobrekla: flappycoin dude.
fluffypony: so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding
fluffypony: so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him
mircea_popescu: waitwut ?! 5mn doge ?
fluffypony: used the bitcoin-otc link
fluffypony: and he didn't understand it
Apocalyptic: not mn I fear mircea
mircea_popescu: sounds like he's in the right place then
mircea_popescu: ;;google Flappy
gribble: Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Make Your Own Flappy Bird - Code.org: <http://learn.code.org/s/6/level/148>; Flappy Bert - Sesame Street: <http://www.sesamestreet.org/cms-static/flappy_bert/>
davout: fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway
mircea_popescu: srsly wtf flappy.
fluffypony: so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make
fluffypony: davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days
benkay: dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?
kakobrekla: ;;google flappycoin
gribble: FlappyCoin - The next addictive digital crypto coin: <http://flappycoin.info/>; [ANN][FLAP] FlappyCoin REBIRTH - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464743>; FlappyCoin Community - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Flappycoin>
fluffypony: davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days
fluffypony: I told him to check my WoT rating:-P
benkay: fluffypony: invite him in here.
kakobrekla: its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.
benkay: kakobrekla stop misleading the man
fluffypony: benkay: he's ignoring me now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a srsly ? i see.
benkay: flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally
davout: fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird
kakobrekla: benkay =? is it no?
kakobrekla: not?
BingoBoingo: Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.
benkay: ;;google flappy bird
gribble: Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Flappy Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flappy_Bird>; Flappy Bird - Play on Crazy Games: <http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird>
kakobrekla: the what?
mircea_popescu: davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.
fluffypony: " from autodoge [-5] sent 2 days ago
fluffypony: Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,
fluffypony: auto"
TomServo: +benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here. << please no.
fluffypony: I disrespected him!
davout: fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding
mircea_popescu: fluffypony did this person grow up in a foster home ?
benkay: TomServo: public canings set policy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: of course
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.
mircea_popescu: alas, they never have enough good ones.
davout: fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather
fluffypony: here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png
Apocalyptic: imo a redirect to trilema would be better
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much to just point it at http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?
mircea_popescu: i could use a shortener for that long ass url.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long
davout: i could use a dick shortener
mircea_popescu: davout for your gf ?
Azelphur: ^ said no man ever
fluffypony: davout: but then your outie would become an innie
fluffypony: http://dogeillionaires.com
fluffypony: chang chang
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.
davout: fluffypony: haha nice
jurov: davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?
kakobrekla: o fuck , nh hotel burned trilema credits :(
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what do i owe ?
cgcardona_: MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pm me your ip ?
davout: jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)
kakobrekla: we can try but dunno if its static
TomServo: fluffypony: nice.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.
mircea_popescu: !up bgupta
assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.
jurov: davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs
davout: gross
fluffypony: lol
davout: http://i.imgur.com/b4tlML2.png <<< bwhahaha
benkay: lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"
mircea_popescu: benkay you being the good witch ?!
benkay: step it up mp for chrissake
TomServo: ;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
fluffypony: hah, thanks
mircea_popescu: ok, favour all paid :D
fluffypony: hah
fluffypony: not a chance :-P
fluffypony: btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"
fluffypony: I agree
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i don't drive.
benkay: mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?
fluffypony: we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system
rithm: driving is for plebes
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.
mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/jos-gravatarcom/ << article at the time
ozbot: Jos Gravatar.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: rather nifty.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like it myself.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.
benkay: cookie avatar? how even?
benkay: oh nvm i see.
benkay: av is ck.
benkay: subject of cock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY
fluffypony: holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt that
benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=82
ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
fluffypony: well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust
mircea_popescu: how about pirate ?
fluffypony: but at any rate, this comment is...interesting to read now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337606#msg1337606
mircea_popescu: shakaru ?
fluffypony: pirate = -12
benkay: nope even that one's wrong
benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=235
ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
mircea_popescu: fluffypony read side by side with http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
fluffypony: shakaru = -4
fluffypony: Inaba = -1468
mircea_popescu: nefario ?
fluffypony: TradeFortress = -451
bgupta: mircea_popescu: eauth’ed
fluffypony: nefario = -4
Apocalyptic: "There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bgupta
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bgupta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bgupta | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bgupta | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 06:49:47 2011
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bgupta 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.
Apocalyptic: obviously
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: that part seems to be non-obvious to most
Apocalyptic: I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor
mircea_popescu: kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile
mircea_popescu: bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up
kakobrekla: well, such is the world of tanks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyone here even remember foodstamp ?
kakobrekla: i do
mircea_popescu: how young we were.
fluffypony doesn't
fluffypony: clue me in?
mircea_popescu: i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.
bgupta: I do
kakobrekla: well, im still young, grandpa.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony one of the original money order scammers
fluffypony: ah ok
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.msg6272884#msg6272884
ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans
kakobrekla: so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with
mircea_popescu: what again ?
kakobrekla: this is what happens.
mircea_popescu: didn't they do that a few months ago too ?
kakobrekla: the post is by deadterra
kakobrekla: and below
mircea_popescu: whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?
mircea_popescu: what connection to icedrill ?
kakobrekla: the connection is deadterra
kakobrekla: he is a fuckin idiot.
kakobrekla: possibly scammy.
mircea_popescu: i c
kakobrekla: i think erik lost his compass
Apocalyptic: kinda sad to read
kakobrekla: ;;rated deadterra
gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
kakobrekla: fyi.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated deadterra
gribble: You have not yet rated user deadterra
mircea_popescu: isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?
kakobrekla: i dunno what grows on your ignore garden
Apocalyptic: he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue
BingoBoingo: Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: ahaha slander.
kakobrekla: yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!
BingoBoingo: His ugly, ugly fish self
davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)
mircea_popescu: a, like that it has more of a leg.
mircea_popescu: someone's name really is "buster roni" ?!
mircea_popescu: davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!
davout: mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-censorship-technology-drama-default/
ozbot: Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil
mircea_popescu: le wow.
mircea_popescu: davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.
mircea_popescu: if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni
mircea_popescu: because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.
mircea_popescu: but claiming he like... owns shit ? heh.
davout: mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows
mircea_popescu: fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?
benkay: mrs tick ball
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me
fluffypony: and there's a lot of shared interest
fluffypony: buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.
mircea_popescu: this is telling me exactly nothing, but asyway.
fluffypony: well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over
mircea_popescu: so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?
fluffypony: wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs
fluffypony ponders
fluffypony: look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion
fluffypony: a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions
fluffypony: I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow
fluffypony: amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek
mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: so what is being questioned of me?
fluffypony: well if I must distill the rating into something more concise
fluffypony: ;;rated mrstickball
gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.
mrstickball: !gettrust mrstickball
mrstickball: ;gettrust mrstickball
mircea_popescu: !down mrstickball
davout: ;;gettrust mrstickball
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user davout to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
davout: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: better?
mrstickball: There we go
mircea_popescu: fluffypony notrly but anyway.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform
mircea_popescu: well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?
mrstickball: mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?
mrstickball: if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with
mircea_popescu: but ... i just did contact you for more info.
mrstickball: admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth
mrstickball: Through which channel?
mrstickball: this?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"
mircea_popescu: i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.
mrstickball: heh
mrstickball: praise from caesar
fluffypony: I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P
mrstickball: I gotta head to church anyway
mircea_popescu: "Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that settles that eh.
fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/
ozbot: That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake
fluffypony: well
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly so.
TomServo: Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: One I wrote.
BingoBoingo: Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.
mircea_popescu: !up Kleeck
assbot: Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/#c2822
ozbot: BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Define "Time Machine"
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already
fluffypony: ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does
Apocalyptic: .d
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s
fluffypony: * forward direction only, movement in real-time only
mircea_popescu: jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!
TomServo: So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, good you're ok.
mircea_popescu: TomServo budget cuts ?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Lawful combatant status
fluffypony: uniforms weren't ready on time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]
fluffypony: expectation vs. reality: http://i.imgur.com/sShi4uM.jpg
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!
kakobrekla: looks like
kakobrekla: that post was months old.
mircea_popescu: odd.
fluffypony: maybe they're banning sarcasm?
fluffypony: right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days they’d been called together for an all-hands meeting."
mircea_popescu: the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.
kakobrekla: ok i found the original
kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-109#post-4510378
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l
kakobrekla: jan 26.
kakobrekla: so like 4 months old?
mircea_popescu: i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.
kakobrekla: if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.
kakobrekla: while he is in hiding.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"
kakobrekla: lol.
TomServo: I hurt myself reading that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "
mircea_popescu: i hurt myself reading THAT
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.
BingoBoingo: Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.
mircea_popescu: none of these apps ever will.
BingoBoingo: I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life
mircea_popescu: o hey, i grew up in a communist country too.
artifexd: Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.
BingoBoingo: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/17/kids_in_nightclubs_new_york_clubs_host_parties_for_children_6_12.html
ozbot: Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: isn't your thing today?
thestringpuller: shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?
TomServo: BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was earlier.
TomServo: There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'
BingoBoingo: TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar
thestringpuller: I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
mircea_popescu: mbas aren't that bad are they
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds
thestringpuller: http://mpex.co/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt is there a reason 4 repeats at the end
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how does it repeat ?
mircea_popescu: jesus what a mess.
thestringpuller: 4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.
thestringpuller: dunno how it got obfuscated
mircea_popescu: it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?
thestringpuller: i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news
thestringpuller: or weird news
thestringpuller: OR WEIRD SCIENCE
thestringpuller: just very bored
mircea_popescu: well good for you.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o
mircea_popescu: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 << this is pretty lulzy to read in para-lel with brilliant
mircea_popescu: "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back
mircea_popescu: to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
mircea_popescu: !up joe_blow
assbot: Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanford’s campus — prompting both awe and jealousy — and not everyone was a fan."