⏐︎ 8706
mircea_popescu: .d
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0639717 = 1.4074 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkle’s waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available
mircea_popescu: , the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."
mircea_popescu: this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.
BingoBoingo: "After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a “booze bus” to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkle’s management team. The message: Don’t come into work tomorrow — you’re fired.
BingoBoingo: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4#ixzz2zBxYIrmw
BingoBoingo: "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06279904 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: lololol
thestringpuller: business insider is powered by mongodb?!?!?
thestringpuller: like
thestringpuller: uh
thestringpuller: what?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Interesting how these things reveal themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13790 @ 0.00097298 = 13.4174 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a “caste system” within Clinkle. Another said there was “segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.”
mircea_popescu: For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.0009755 = 19.4222 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?
mircea_popescu: facebook is responsible i swear. every nutcase imagines himself randi zuckerberg now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9179 @ 0.00097085 = 8.9114 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.
mircea_popescu: zing :D
mircea_popescu: "The sound technology, the source says, doesn’t yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."
mircea_popescu: they were not fungible, they were fucktarded.
mircea_popescu: no checksum bits, seriously ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so this new article on trilema...
mircea_popescu: hm ?
thestringpuller: "attacking the wot"
mircea_popescu: artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.
mircea_popescu: but the perspective never hurt anyone.
artifexd: It absolutely does not hurt to occasionally think, "How easily could I be replaced by a small shell script?"
mircea_popescu: it just feels like it hurts
mircea_popescu: that's all.
artifexd: And, fwiw, my feelings aren't *still* hurt. :)
mircea_popescu: if you ever read dune, there's a cube in there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.02754321 = 1.3221 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0620051 = 0.6201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00097687 = 22.468 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.00073009 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1931 @ 0.00071489 = 1.3805 BTC [-] {7}
thestringpuller: sell sell sell!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00097085 = 1.8019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 495.99, vol: 19927.44828881 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 482.5, vol: 15334.15123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 498.61, vol: 18144.33534622 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 506.65, vol: 130.98620093 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 491.5813, vol: 6521.38600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.80348, vol: 16.26733719 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 507.577186619, vol: 108.99092749 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 492.911351215
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00096964 = 5.6666 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: wo really mpoe?
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.54, Best ask: 496.74, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 494.54, 24 hour volume: 19864.09287664, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 502.001018804
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.06292704 = 3.0205 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0620051 = 0.31 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Do I want persistence on a USB drive Linux that I'll be using to access/store offline funds ?
Duffer1: i'm not sure man, i just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 myself, i have no idea what best practices are
TestingUnoDosTre: didn't 14.04 just come out like... today?
nubbins`: it depends on whether you want to store keys on there or not
nubbins`: or passwords, whatever
Duffer1: ya testing
Duffer1: the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago
TestingUnoDosTre: Keys like GPG keys, or keys like private bitcoin keys?
Duffer1: so i'm not exactly up on security practices :P
TestingUnoDosTre: nubbins, let's say yes I do want to store keys there
TestingUnoDosTre: would that be yes, persistence desired?
nubbins`: i'd assume so, yes
nubbins`: for example, persistence wouldn't be an option if you were running linux from a cdr
nubbins`: because you can't save your changes
TestingUnoDosTre: But I will need persistence if I want to download some bitcoin client and maybe like python-qt4 when I first boot?
nubbins`: you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02628999 = 0.184 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05325 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0629999 = 0.252 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: thanks
TestingUnoDosTre: another question - thoughts on armory?
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much
TestingUnoDosTre: offline is what I'm looking for
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, Armory has an offline half and an online half.
TestingUnoDosTre: oh
BingoBoingo: The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/twitter-parody-account-holder-sought-in-police-raid/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31106 @ 0.00097539 = 30.3405 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: internet crime
TestingUnoDosTre: fuck me in the ass I need to get out of this country quick
artifexd: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
artifexd: How goes it?
ThickAsThieves: Not bad
ThickAsThieves: I thought i didnt need to gribble auth everytime if i was nickseev id'd
artifexd: I could use your help
artifexd: Yeah. Gotta be ident for assbot to pay you any mind
ThickAsThieves: My ability to help is limited
ThickAsThieves: Sup?
artifexd: Can you appoint me as an altcoin representative?
ThickAsThieves: Lol
ThickAsThieves: No such thing
artifexd: I'm trying to grab control of #altcoin.
artifexd: You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?
ThickAsThieves: Yes
ThickAsThieves: But i dont control Altcoin per se
ThickAsThieves: Its open source etc
artifexd: Work with me here
ThickAsThieves: Im trying to keep an open mind
ThickAsThieves: Why do u want control anyway?
artifexd: I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.
ThickAsThieves: Doesn't someone already control it?
artifexd: The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago. Hasn't been in it for...
artifexd: 44 weeks.
artifexd: He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.
artifexd: Dude ain't around
ThickAsThieves: So rhe process for controlling it would be to state purpose and provide url?
ThickAsThieves: Seems a lil loose but i also dont get how to make someone an official rep
artifexd: Pop into #freenode. Ask a staffer to transfer control. Answer whatever questions he has. (Is it open source? Etc...)
artifexd: If you recognize me as a rep, I'm a rep.
TestingUnoDosTre: what magic is this?
artifexd: I can point them at the bitcointalk thread. And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."
artifexd: If they ask, say "Yep"
artifexd: The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.
artifexd: Oh. Look at you. Doing it yourself. Awesome.
ThickAsThieves: No answers in the room tho
artifexd: Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.
ThickAsThieves: I only represent myself when i can
ThickAsThieves: Lessons learned etc
artifexd: It is no hurry. It is no big deal.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep?
ThickAsThieves: Its morning
ThickAsThieves: In Romania
ThickAsThieves: I only sleep like 5 hrs usually
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00097435 = 9.6129 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: what in the hell is wrong with you
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm like a zombie even if I make it out with 7
ThickAsThieves: Been this way a long time i dunno
TestingUnoDosTre: Have any conference pre game festivities started?
TestingUnoDosTre: ThickAsThieves
TestingUnoDosTre: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
ThickAsThieves: Some
TestingUnoDosTre: How do I know it's you <:-)
ThickAsThieves: I dont have auth ability on tablet
ThickAsThieves: I am ident w freenode tho
TestingUnoDosTre: security reasons?
ThickAsThieves: And my name is locked otherwise
TestingUnoDosTre: oooh how do you do that again?
TestingUnoDosTre: some nickserve thing?
ThickAsThieves: Yeah
danielpbarron: /msg nickserv help set
ThickAsThieves: You can get a cloak too
danielpbarron: what is MaidSafe? has anyone heard of this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg6276095#msg6276095
ThickAsThieves: Dunno but why get mixed up with mastercoin bs?
danielpbarron: heh, i'm messed up with counterparty bs
ThickAsThieves: Get out then
TestingUnoDosTre: Oooo this Mayor is ridiculous https://twitter.com/MayorPeoria/status/456968985628528641
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like the composer for the Heroes game music does some for Rift too
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: FWIW, metabyte has been booted as founder of #altcoin and now the founder is listed as freenode-staff.
ThickAsThieves: Heh
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my gosh. Tweenagers to the rescue of that Dutch girl who tweeted a bomb threat to AA. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/14/dozens-of-teenagers-are-now-tweeting-bomb-jokes-to-american-airlines/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 495.83, Best ask: 496.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 495.83, 24 hour volume: 19187.47353827, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 500.488451876
artifexd: !up Shakespeare
assbot: Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: epicly snoozy in here tonight
jurov: nooo i wanted to cuddle
artifexd: !up smidge
assbot: Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
artifexd: !up bloctoc
assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Jezzz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jezzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Jezzz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jezzz | Rated since: Fri Mar 2 23:47:44 2012
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.00097227 = 9.5866 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/16/technology/security/canada-heartbleed/
ozbot: Canadians arrest a Heartbleed hacker - Apr. 16, 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07680892 = 0.384 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.00593332 = 0.178 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1530 @ 0.00060939 = 0.9324 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009776 = 10.9002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://crypto-comics.com/comic28.png
fluffypony: mildly funny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1882 @ 0.00012909 = 0.2429 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012997 = 0.3899 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony stretches
fluffypony: jurov: how goes it?
jurov: fluffypony: ?
jurov: i'm on the road, still 450km to timis
jurov: (i'm not driving)
fluffypony: jurov: ah nice - enjoy
fluffypony: Namworld: so did you figure out why you got named-and-shamed in that SymStep thread?
Namworld: No idea.
Namworld: Wasn't there another loan thing on Bitfunder other than Ukyo? Who was it?
fluffypony: Graet
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0
ozbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
kakobrekla: sup
kakobrekla: dammit scrollback.
Namworld: Eh. I have a loan still outstanding. I was repaying people for a good while after BTCT.co closed. I ran into issues tho, I'm not done repaying everyone.
fluffypony: still, on a list of hipsterrific scams it seems an odd thing to mention
kakobrekla: so you are 'temporarily defaulted' ?
kakobrekla: if theres such thing
Namworld: Well people so far have accepted my explanation and were okay to wait a while.
kakobrekla: well, if someone is ok to assfuck him, that doesnt mean you didnt assfuck him
kakobrekla: just sayin.
Namworld: The terms where that loan was redeemable on demand, providing time for liquiding assets. The timespan is just getting unreasonable.
Namworld: Although otherwise I guess that yes, it's a default. I just don't know why he's naming me among so many scams who are more than just late. Or where he even learned I'm late on some payments.
Namworld: Actually nevermind, I guess since I'm not paying daily interest like on contract, that's a default.
kakobrekla: :D
Namworld: The lack of a platform to do that is kind of problematic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2009 @ 0.00097201 = 1.9528 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/sheldonth/status/456997327501529089
mircea_popescu: now look what you did.
kakobrekla: the what
kakobrekla: how is this my fault
mircea_popescu: you're in bitcoin, right ?
kakobrekla: lol bitcoin dude. get some doge instead.
mircea_popescu: the customer is always right bitch!
kakobrekla: :D
mircea_popescu: tat will love this :D
kakobrekla: i have no comeback to that.
fluffypony: weird
fluffypony: ICMP traffic is working, TCP is working, but HTTP/HTTPS isn't working
fluffypony shoots his ISP
mircea_popescu: !up edlund10
assbot: Voicing edlund10 for 30 minutes.
edlund10: thanks :)
fluffypony: http works on alternate ports
fluffypony: so it's my ISP's DSL proxy that's broken
fluffypony sighs
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so when did you buy coinroll.it? :-P
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
edlund10: Mircea, I'm your fan :)
fluffypony: keeping him cool in hot Romanian summers?
edlund10: :D
mircea_popescu: edlund10 good for you
edlund10: no, I mostly admire his literary work so far
edlund10: I think he gained lots of popularity after the "How to interact with a fiat institution" article
mircea_popescu: da fuck, that'll be the laugh of all time, if it turns out my real talent was literary.
fluffypony: heh
fluffypony: I await your first book with eager expectation
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: signed copy plx
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/i-wrote-a-book/
ozbot: I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: set your time machine to 2005
edlund10: yes, it's a pity i don't understand romanian so good :)
mircea_popescu: it's in english.
mircea_popescu: writing books ~in romanian~ struck even 2005 me as a little silly.
edlund10: oh, cool
edlund10: how can i get it
fluffypony: you should republish it electronically through SmashWords
mircea_popescu: why through smashwords ?
mircea_popescu: edlund10 link to 1st chapter in that link, then chains of links to following chapters.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because they do all the heavy lifting of getting it into the Kindle and iBooks stores etc.
edlund10: great
mircea_popescu: do they pay out btc ?
fluffypony: nein
fluffypony: although it could be an interesting proposition to them
fluffypony: especially for overseas authors
mircea_popescu: meh, a few hundred bucks on yet another site account somewhere is at this point a net loss to me,
mircea_popescu: i'd have to put someone on it and everyone's overworked.
fluffypony: they don't charge
fluffypony: they take comm on sales
fluffypony: "We work on commission. We don't charge for our ebook publishing, conversion and distribution services, and we don't sell publishing packages. We earn our commission only if we sell your book, and our commission is only 15% or less of the net, which works out to 10% of the retail price when your book sells at our retailers. For example, a $10.00 ebook sold at one of our retail partners earns you $6.00 and earns Smashwords $1.00. The same
fluffypony: book sold at Smashwords earns you about $8.00."
mircea_popescu: yes but they also don't do it by themselves, it seems.
mircea_popescu: so... i'd have to put someone on it.
fluffypony: they do the distribution
fluffypony: http://www.smashwords.com/distribution
ozbot: Smashwords – Distribution
fluffypony: they also provide the ISBN if there isn't one already
mircea_popescu: dude. looky here : at this point the situation is, some site somewhere provided you do some things may maybe sell your book. things such as i dunno... make an account.
mircea_popescu: now, the upside i judge at what, a few hundred bucks. cause they're not gonna sell a million copies without advertising and marketing work.
mircea_popescu: and the downside is i'd have to put "make acct with X site" on someone's workorder.
fluffypony: I get your point
mircea_popescu: aok.
mircea_popescu: then sayso omg
fluffypony: assbot: amazing point!
fluffypony: there :-P
mircea_popescu: lol
edlund10: :D
edlund10: i wondered - have you thought about a website like betfair for bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surpriosed if the above problem is actually most of the friction that site encounters, in its business
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's a good idea.
mircea_popescu: edlund10 yes but read http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/ first
edlund10: ok
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://24.media.tumblr.com/533d12ef78db84c196c5f0f361a14a2a/tumblr_n2beoe1tDq1qdlh1io1_250.gif
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: !up Skirmant
assbot: Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <mike_c> plus hard work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: mwahaha
mircea_popescu: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1784737/plain/)
kakobrekla: ....
mircea_popescu: the stones buried under the earth have SPOKEN THROUGH THE MIKE!
mircea_popescu: !up ArsKisS
assbot: Voicing ArsKisS for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: im 12 and what is this bitcointalk?
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, wut happens
mircea_popescu: nuttin much.
ArsKisS: +m for some reason?
mircea_popescu: yeah, gotta be in assbot's l2 wot, id witrh gribble, pm assbot !up nao.
mircea_popescu: ahaha no wai. you never got into the wot ?
ArsKisS: can you turn gribble spam off? it's annoying
ArsKisS: just my two cents
mircea_popescu: what's it do ?!
ArsKisS: spam my query every time i log in
ArsKisS: "Hey beware scammers, blah blah"
mircea_popescu: you mean assbot ?
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: i never get that wtf.
ArsKisS: :O
fluffypony: ArsKisS: that's an -otc thing
fluffypony: not an -assets thing
fluffypony: and it has to be there because so many people join, get pm'd, and get scammed
ArsKisS: fluffypony, still it's annoying
fluffypony: still happens on a nearly daily basis
ArsKisS: doesn't matter which channel it's on
mircea_popescu: nanotube maybe add a counter and only tell people say... 500 times they shoulds pay attention ?
fluffypony: tell nanotube then
mircea_popescu: or w/e, 50000 times
ArsKisS: fluffypony, well, if they get scammed anyway, what does the spam help?
ArsKisS: if some of us are stupid it doesn't make things better to annoy the non-stupid ones
fluffypony: lol ArsKisS, I'm not responsible for gribble, I was just explaining the rationale
mircea_popescu: ArsKisS it probably alleviates the conscxience of the people running -otc ?
ArsKisS: fluffypony, i didn't say you are :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc
mircea_popescu: and that place'd be all full of... annoying kindergarterisms. like... "remember to brush your teeth!"
kakobrekla: 12:53.02 ( +mircea_popescu ) [11:49:40] anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc < all but -assets ?
mircea_popescu: all butt ass! &ets
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it turns out, by the way, that the ~average~ open bitbet is 20 btc pool.
mircea_popescu: the.average.
mircea_popescu: !up thi
assbot: Voicing thi for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: heyo
kakobrekla: ;;calc 14246/800
gribble: 17.8075
kakobrekla: almost.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves quick impersonate TheRealThickAsThieves and say embarassing things
ThickAsThieves: i responded to you tweet for you
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's historical.
ThickAsThieves: free customer service for coinroll
kakobrekla: ;;calc 9223/14246
gribble: 0.647409799242
kakobrekla: eh
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1753.6619918169 / 88
gribble: 19.9279771797
kakobrekla: ;;calc 14246/9223
gribble: 1.54461671907
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, btc went up 10x over this year, avg bet went up 10%
kakobrekla: terrible!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/457093668428840960 << that you ?
ThickAsThieves: yessir
mircea_popescu: o hey, cool
kakobrekla: where did you get 1750
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla from this log.
kakobrekla: hm?
ThickAsThieves: i was dreaming that the vip guys were in a brawl in a field and i dove in to rumble then there was a tick in my glove and the hotel phone rang
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 published it
kakobrekla: ah that.
kakobrekla: yes.
mircea_popescu: o you gotta be kidding me
kakobrekla: anyway both results are near
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: could be variation
mircea_popescu: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: or whatever.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Mats_cd03 He does things with numbers.
gribble: Error: 'He' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 He does things with numbers.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 srsly. wotify will youz.
mircea_popescu: so if these idjits manage to bomb israel off the face of the map and then we rebuild wit with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: do you guise think satoshi will return ?
fluffypony: we can rebuild it. we have the technology.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: serious question or joke?
mircea_popescu: it's never clear with me.
fluffypony: ed zachery
mircea_popescu: part of my literary skill.
fluffypony: for that book you're writing?
ThickAsThieves: satoshi wont return til he wants to fuck shit up
ThickAsThieves: which might be never
fluffypony: maybe just to screw with us he'll move some of those old coins around in like 2040
mircea_popescu: the various return-of-satoshi mysticisms will be fun to watch in the coming yearsd
ThickAsThieves: shit, people still worrying on gox to return
ThickAsThieves: http://www.savegox.com/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is this scam weather piddling or notrly ?
ThickAsThieves: i like rain
mircea_popescu: yeah so is it ?
ThickAsThieves: its not even raining really
ThickAsThieves: just a lil wet out there
mircea_popescu: weird mossboy from the everglades.
mircea_popescu: "he likes rain"
ThickAsThieves: i love it
ThickAsThieves: i also love watching the sea during a storm
ThickAsThieves: so what!
kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: but neither compares to arguing bitbet rules with you
ThickAsThieves: <3
mircea_popescu: lol
ThickAsThieves: i like how this coinroll complainer doesnt even provide a tx
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves would you stop being arrogant to other people's customers!
kakobrekla: dat slander.
ThickAsThieves: how can i be elitist without being arrogant?
ThickAsThieves: or mean?
kakobrekla: are you comming down tat ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00097564 = 13.3663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2411 @ 0.00012999 = 0.3134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0644995 = 0.129 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9007 @ 0.00097805 = 8.8093 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.0645 = 3.0315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18726 @ 0.00097496 = 18.2571 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1970 @ 0.00010031 = 0.1976 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what's mpex's stance/your thoughts on companies that raise funds in BTC, but then don't only accept payment in BTC (and thus possibly being profitable from a fiat perspective, but not entirely from a BTC perspective) ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50050002 = 2.002 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6500 @ 0.0001517 = 0.9861 BTC [+] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 613 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4400 @ 0.00018918 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: welp
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
ozbot: The full picture of former Neo & Bee employees : Bitcoin
Duffer1: " that we in fact lost 2480 bitcoins in Mt. Gox" >> wow.. what wow
fluffypony: I'll hazard that he has a lot more on his person, but let's see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
Duffer1: scammers always do
Duffer1: i'm curious if the above neobeeq buyer is dyslexic..
Duffer1: or maybe someone cursed with reallly bad timing
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: the timing does seem to be interesting
fluffypony: maybe they live in hope
Duffer1: :/
Duffer1: in this space if you don't keep your own money there is no hope
fluffypony: I never understood the need to IPO on multiple exchanges
Apocalyptic: more potential "liquidity" to drain from
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah, but that just screams scammy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
bounce: "The goal of this IPO is to IPO on as many exchanges as possible."
fluffypony: heh
bounce: really should start another company. walkaway coins, financial hiking services.
Apocalyptic: bounce, what's the area you're servicing ?
Apocalyptic: i do love me some hiking
bounce: the valleys and the hills of the land of bitcoin. but maybe there's room for an ipo or two on some fiat exchanges.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: mtgox is a nice hill
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: too bad it's closed for bad weather
fluffypony: "Danny Brewster was GOX'ED. His creditors and employees were BEE'ED. If YOU don't want to be LOCAL'ED, CBASE'D or BITSTAMP'ED please, please, please with sugar on top, check out the new Armory cold storage wallet"
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0523 = 0.2615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.00594282 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.0001686 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1667 @ 0.0001605 = 0.2676 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2333 @ 0.00015995 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 667 @ 0.00015969 = 0.1065 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00015061 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014969 = 0.1497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013116 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {6}
numerisTrade: hey all
TestingUnoDosTre: Hey der mate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3075 @ 0.00013093 = 0.4026 BTC [+] {5}
mrstickball: .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00097275 = 1.8482 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02799999 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06475005 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02716019 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02665335 = 0.3998 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06300005 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013256 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {2}
TestingUnoDosTre: So much action in the chat today
artifexd: Why internet chat if you're in a bar chatting in person?
TestingUnoDosTre: Well it's 10am where I am and I'm at work. Need some stimulation
TestingUnoDosTre: Also, sometimes the crowd at the bar is trash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05315 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02804974 = 0.2244 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00056684 = 0.8503 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05345 = 0.1604 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: It is to this that I refer: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2315 @ 0.00013792 = 0.3193 BTC [+] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: Ahhh didn't see you were there
TestingUnoDosTre: Knew it was going on
TestingUnoDosTre: What's your enterprise artifexd?
artifexd: I'm not there. I'm at work.
artifexd: I'd like to be there. My wife tells me that I shall go next year.
fluffypony: artifexd: so say we all
artifexd: As for my enterprise, I endeavor to turn desires into running code.
artifexd: You? What do you do?
artifexd: ;;gettrust ericmuyser
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul 1 01:35:49 2013
artifexd: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
jurov: Hi all, we arrived in hotel, where's everyone?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu
jurov: Afk at a bar I guess :)
fluffypony: actually he's been idle for 5 hours
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: you around?
fluffypony: !up sheldonthomas
assbot: Voicing sheldonthomas for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: ah crap
artifexd: lol
artifexd: Well, if he comes back...
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: I hope he does
jurov: I have found the phone number I used last year :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012879 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348 = 0.2139 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: I install cnc machines. Have a bachelor is mechanical engr
TestingUnoDosTre: in*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.03408630 BTC to 8`421 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0509875 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 47.39894586 BTC to 8`421 shares, 562866 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.04806276 = 0.8171 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up sheldonthomas
assbot: Voice for sheldonthomas extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Hello sheldonthomas
fluffypony: hi sheldonthomas
fluffypony: how can we be of excellent service
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02922221 = 0.263 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04370199 = 0.437 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 485.0, vol: 13236.39024268 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 468.168, vol: 9579.87188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 11093.98497028 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 498.75, vol: 132.08974986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.7611, vol: 4106.69150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 483.51723, vol: 32.45623623 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 497.078286477, vol: 89.92950233 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 479.50477584
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00097099 = 10.778 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 800 @ 0.00017291 = 0.1383 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02825002 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01019666 = 0.1122 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up chmod755
assbot: Voicing chmod755 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0649999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 412 @ 0.00069864 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so on the back of this Neo&Bee scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.00069866 = 0.2578 BTC [+]
fluffypony: someone http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgvnixi?context=1
fluffypony: suggested that future IPOs could use a multi-sig wallet for funds raised
chmod755: BingoBoingo, Thank you
BingoBoingo: chmod755: You're welcome
fluffypony: and have a small supervisory board elected among the shareholders
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot chmod755
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chmod755: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chmod755 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chmod755 | Rated since: Tue Jan 11 18:32:01 2011
fluffypony: who will control the keys to that wallet (along with the CEO/CFO/chief bigwig/whatever)
TestingUnoDosTre: So what are your thoughts
artifexd: I'd be so much richer if I had found this channel a year ago....
artifexd: Not from investing in things I found here, but from not losing money from investing in things not found here.
artifexd: Ugh
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The solution is more along the lines of, if the woodchipper eats your right arm, don't offer it your left.
fluffypony: well, it wouldn't make spending too difficult (maybe make it a 3 of N multisig, for eg., or even less - 2 of N), but to make scamming more difficult and thus require not only the manipulation of the market but also the manipulation of the (more competent) investor pool
BingoBoingo: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chronicleonline/obituary.aspx?n=david-w-cummings&pid=170658931
ozbot: David W. Cummings Obituary: View David Cummings's Obituary by Citrus County Chronicle
BingoBoingo: "Pervert Dave"
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: there are always going to be *new* people with arms to stick in woodchippers
fluffypony: and there's always going to be another ProtoShares or BitcoinBourse or whatever
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well you put out signs like "Here be Woodchipper"
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: or "must be this high to stick arm in woodchipper"
fluffypony: and by high I'm not referring to stature
TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha
fluffypony: I think it's an interesting proposition
TestingUnoDosTre: Why wouldn't you just raise the funds by smaller batches
mrstickball: I would think that Bitcoin needs to integrate a WoT mechanism endemic to private keys
TestingUnoDosTre: Give people a projected spending and revenue for the quarter
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: nobody does tranches, and when they do they generally do it badly
mrstickball: so if you want to send an address, a trust rating can be attached to said address to verify authenticity/legitimacy if the user desires such
mrstickball: you know what'd solve such large IPO issues? Due dilligance
mrstickball: 10 bitcoins says Havelock never met the owner/operators of NeoBee IRL
fluffypony: mrstickball: with Neo&Bee there was due diligence from ThickAsThieves among others
mrstickball: did TAT meet with them in person?
fluffypony: afaik he went to Cyprus
mrstickball: ah
mrstickball: interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4152 @ 0.00097275 = 4.0389 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Well, not all dilligence is actual dilligence
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: and if you have a charming enough frontman you can be convinced of many things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0291675 = 0.175 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097881 = 16.7377 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-openrigs-com.267678/
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: already replied
fluffypony: apparently I'm a support channel
BingoBoingo: Well, what's the whole story it is hard to find the original threads
fluffypony: oh
fluffypony: when we launched we had a shipping option called surface mail
fluffypony: which is basically over the sea
fluffypony: but it's not by ship directly to the destination port
fluffypony: it goes through the normal routing, but by ship, so it's extremely slow
fluffypony: 2-3 months
fluffypony: of course, because it's the cheapest, like 70% of the people went for it
BingoBoingo: So... Somali Pirates ate the rigs?
fluffypony: and we shipped their order
fluffypony: no, they all arrived, we haven't had a lost shipment yet
fluffypony: but they do take ~10 weeks to the US
fluffypony: and there's literally nothing you can do in the interim
BingoBoingo: ...
fluffypony: so
fluffypony: a lot of people complained, and we removed the shipping option
fluffypony: because it's unpredictable as well
fluffypony: 5 weeks to the UK
fluffypony: then suddenly 10 weeks
fluffypony: all the guys with large orders (>$500) are chilled, because they read the timelines during checkout, they understood how long it could take
fluffypony: it's the guy with an $80 order that complains the loudest
fluffypony: even when people confirm the timeline: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-openrigs-com-aluminium-frames-for-mining-rigs.262873/page-15#post-5692124
fluffypony: you still have idiots that insist it's impossible
fluffypony: and that they can ship stuff from China for 1/10th of the price and 80x the weight and it arrives in 2 days
BingoBoingo: Well, China is good at exporting.
fluffypony nods
fluffypony: their postal service pricing is better than ours
fluffypony: at any rate
fluffypony: that's why we've now got a US and an EU distributor
fluffypony: saves all that hassle
fluffypony: and people can get it in 3 days instead of 3 months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06695 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Still, how was this idea born? Manufactering and shipping from South Africa... A country that just really isn't so good at shipping.
fluffypony: to be fair, our post office's EMS shipments have been amazing and reasonably priced (they charge on actual weight, not volumetric, and deliveries have been 5-9 days worldwide)
fluffypony hugs assbot
fluffypony: manufacturing here is dirt cheap
fluffypony: not as cheap as China
thestringpuller: "The C.E.O. has to be the virus," Mr. Huang said. "To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day."
fluffypony: but I didn't really have the urge to fly to China and setup a QC/manufacturing structure for a product that I didn't know would sell well
thestringpuller: Bingo Boingo why the drinking recrod take so long to load today?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo ** ^^^
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Do you have a time for when that happened? I don't know and dream host doesn't know. I need times when it slows down.
thestringpuller: about 10 minutes ago the request was about 20 seconds
thestringpuller: maybe 15
thestringpuller: could be from my end tho...
thestringpuller: working fine now
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: No, these are an everybody thing it seems. I'll file another ticket.
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234qlc/sorry_phinnaeus_gage_you_are_banned_from_using/
ozbot: Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum Trolling : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7420 @ 0.00013004 = 0.9649 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.066971 = 0.8706 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: they place bets for submitters on bitbet? this is news to me
thestringpuller: must go look at my bets
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: They do indeed.
thestringpuller: well wow I might have not given an address
thestringpuller: bitcoinassets is empty cause all the smart people are in romanias
thestringpuller: doing illuminati shit
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but the good kind of illuminati shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02989993 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4200 @ 0.00010213 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8}
TestingUnoDosTre: Hahaha
TestingUnoDosTre: How is neobee still trading?
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: rats + sinking ship
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Because Havelock is part of the problem
BingoBoingo: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/answers-questions-about-military-law-enforcement-and-intelligence-agency-chatbots
ozbot: Answers and Questions About Military, Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agency Chatbots | Electronic
BingoBoingo: Which of you fuckers are bots.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:bitbet.us and then there was one
gribble: BitBet - And Then There Was One: <http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=16UBio12EWjif3aSk1f1tohxokbjGTAhAf>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=1DV1uHYMJxC6m7Yewn9YhtN3BKDRJYoC8Q>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: soon enough
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: well, I didn't want to say it, but....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02999999 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.045 = 0.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.067 = 0.402 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: OMG fluffypony's wife is a photoshop!!!
fluffypony: no no no...she's lovingly rendered
BingoBoingo: Autodesk?
fluffypony: SketchUp
fluffypony: I'm not an advanced enough AI to use an Autodesk product
danielpbarron: heh, I bet on that one
fluffypony: what is this sheldonthomas doing
fluffypony: http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wcd.jpeg
fluffypony: that's insane
fluffypony: http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html - apparently it's a thing
ozbot: ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0049105 = 0.2308 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56022 @ 0.00097929 = 54.8618 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00098147 = 5.2018 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06691739 = 1.5391 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06705 = 5.0288 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: BingoBongo can we get someone to flood Sgt STAR with questions so he becomes laggy?
danielpbarron: as per recommendations from users in this channel, I have sold my XCP; still got a lot to learn..
TestingUnoDosTre: Xcp is mastercoin?
danielpbarron: counterparty
fluffypony: that's that thing that allows you to "invest" in anonymous "companies" that don't need to demonstrate they have any ability to earn money, right?
danielpbarron: pretty much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5700 @ 0.00010207 = 0.5818 BTC [-] {7}
TestingUnoDosTre: Never heard of it. Gotta keep up on my scamcoin news
fluffypony: danielpbarron: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a decentralised exchange, but the idea of just about anyone anonymously running an unregistered, unregulated company just seems to be asking for trouble
danielpbarron: fluffypony: yeah, I really like the idea too, and I think it could work fine for really small scale trivial stuff
mrstickball: the problem is that until you have full compliance with governments (just like with exchanges), the government can come in and can anyone for any reason
mrstickball: and given the number of securities that are both unregistered AND scams... is a problem
fluffypony: mrstickball: agreed
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BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I don't really see the point in that
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00098217 = 9.8708 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 54.99062536 BTC to 80`674 shares, 68164 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01019667 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10424 @ 0.00097947 = 10.21 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00097823 = 27.7817 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 349 @ 0.14 = 48.86 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0671 = 0.3355 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499882 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0671 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 384 @ 0.14 = 53.76 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.0009833 = 11.6521 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/18/pitching-prognostication-tanaka/
ozbot: Pitching Prognostication: Tanaka | Bingo Blog
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: plz explain like I'm not a baseball person?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I did half of that already, the rest is between you and a reference work on the subject.
fluffypony: fine
fluffypony: make me do actual work on a Friday night
BingoBoingo: Still friday afternoon here. Have yet to go to the liquor store.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you a baseball fan?
thestringpuller: I LOVE BASEBALL
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah
cgcardona_: friday morning here. bright and early
thestringpuller: I usually get
thestringpuller: season tickets to the braves
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Best sport for casual drinking while watching.
thestringpuller: or a half season pack
BingoBoingo: Nice.
thestringpuller: Yea man!
thestringpuller: i love to drink at baseball
thestringpuller: high as shit
BingoBoingo: Braves always have a solid team.
thestringpuller: yea but they have trouble with dem playoffs
cgcardona_: I saw the giants once in SF last year. but that was it.
cgcardona_: i saw roger waters the wall at the same stadium. that was fucking insane
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You had the 90's though
fluffypony saw a handful of Cards games
BingoBoingo: Nice cgcardona_
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: At Busch II or Busch III
TestingUnoDosTre: Twins suck so bad you can get tickets for like 15 dollars
thestringpuller: i wasn't even in atlanta in the 90's
TestingUnoDosTre: The beers cost about as much as the tickets
thestringpuller: smuggle your own beer in!
cgcardona_: that's for sure. geez
cgcardona_: i take a vape pen in now. WIN
cgcardona_: its so common in SF that you can just get away with it and noone says anything
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I don't know - it was in May 2010?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006
fluffypony: cool
thestringpuller: edibles are just as good
thestringpuller: eat a cheba chew while tailgating
thestringpuller: oh god
thestringpuller: why can't it be may yet
fluffypony: it was fun, and I enjoyed the food/booze there significantly more than like 95% of the restaurants/takeout places I was hauled off to in St. Louis
cgcardona_: different time frame w/ edibles. They are just as good but you gotta wait half an hour or so. Sneaking a quick vaper is always the way to go. (if that's your thing of course)
TestingUnoDosTre: Half an hour minimum
TestingUnoDosTre: I ate some taffy and it really started kicking in after a couple hours. Guess it absorbs better after you eat a fatty meal
cgcardona_: yep.
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ishmael/
ozbot: Ishmael | When Bitcoin Met Pete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00283203 = 0.2832 BTC [+] {8}
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: is this one also long?
bitcoinpete: maybe the longest yet
fluffypony: it's 10:30 and I'm 3/4 of a bottle of wine down, so not sure if I'll appreciate an article that consists of more than 4 paragraphs
fluffypony: but I'll give it a spin
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: "Bitcoiners’ sotyr"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3342 @ 0.00010001 = 0.3342 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: myeah, it's basically s/takers/fiaters, s/leavers/bitcoiners
fluffypony: Ishmael sure does a lot of frowning
fluffypony: but he seems like a nice bloke
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: he is a nice bloke. he's also a giant ape lol
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I have friends who are giant apes, so that's ok then :)
bitcoinpete: http://ansonchi.webng.com/ishmael_by_daniel_quinn.pdf
thestringpuller: channel needs more lulz
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I regularly provide lulz at market rates
bitcoinpete: http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/southpark/
ozbot: Project Free TV :: Southpark
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0671 = 0.5368 BTC [+]
artifexd: http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ <- I'm glad he added the disclaimer at the beginning because i did not, in fact, understand it.
ozbot: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00674514 = 0.6745 BTC [-] {11}
thestringpuller: artifexd: think reddit in the wot
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if tatiana is available for the third conference, you can judge her for yourself ;)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: I got the whole "If too much of the wot acts in unison, it largely defeats the point of a wot" part. It was the last part about only witnessing half the herp derping that lost me.
artifexd: What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
thestringpuller: well the example of the teacher an non paying attention students
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00101 = 8.484 BTC [+]
artifexd: And....
thestringpuller: that's pretty much it
thestringpuller: the WoT could be infiltrated by script kiddies who all rate each other and work in tandem like group think of reddit
thestringpuller: so the minorirty becomes the actual trustworthy people such as mircea_popescu or kako
artifexd: What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
thestringpuller: they fuck up a legit thing
artifexd: So actors A and B were good, trustworthy people until they fucked up. But actor C only sees one of them fuck up. <- Am I tracking so far?
thestringpuller: yea
artifexd: Then kakobrekla says "How does that help?" How does that help what and in what way?
mrstickball: I think you could have independent audits of the WoT to verify legitimacy
thestringpuller: ...
mrstickball: its not hard to use a script to defeat automated Reddit WOT bots, too
thestringpuller: that's not what he's talking about
mrstickball: you mentioned script kiddies using bots to upvote/ect
artifexd: Well it wouldn't be just script kiddies and bots. If mircea_popescu were to rate someone as something and then everyone else in here were to rate that same person as that same thing, it would have the same effect.
thestringpuller: yes in tandem, but the problem is the n nodes ignore the script kiddies
thestringpuller: at random points
fluffypony: so then is it a matter of macroscopic vs. microscopic views of the WoT as it relates to a single entity within the WoT?
thestringpuller: suppose I herp derp someone, n(1) sees it but n(2) does not
thestringpuller: that's where the problem arises
thestringpuller: because n(1) and n(2) don't group think
fluffypony: yes
artifexd: How is that a problem? n(1) could rate you appropriately. n(2) could not.
fluffypony: so if n(2) had a macroscopic view they would see the rating given by n(1) ?
artifexd: n(2) would probably look at all the ratings given to thestringpuller and make his own jugement.
fluffypony: one would hope so
artifexd: And in doing so, group think should be visible.
fluffypony: thus the issue only arises when n(2) maintains a microscopic view and disregards the WoT in favour of observed or hearsay indications of "trust"
artifexd: Take a look at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=aethero&sign=ANY&type=RECV
artifexd: There are multiple ratings that exist only to move aethero's rating in a specific direction.
thestringpuller: artifexd: no not at all. that would be groupthink. n(2) did not see what n(1) did so to rate me is to group think
fluffypony: right, so sort by rating, talk to those with the most positive and most negative stories
fluffypony: take with a pinch of salt and make up our own mind
artifexd: If n(2) were to rate you based soley on n(1)'s rating, yeah, that'd be groupthink.
artifexd: I had assumed in your example that n(2) didn't rate you at all for that specific scenario.
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thestringpuller: so?
artifexd: Groupthink is the problem, right? At least as far as it is not immediately visible as such.
fluffypony: sleep time, cheers
thestringpuller: yup
kakobrekla: and remember kids, no brain, no tumor.
artifexd: kakobrekla: Is that article from #bitcoin-assets logs or a summary of a verbal discussion.
artifexd: It feels like much is missing.
kakobrekla: its from pms
kakobrekla: but theres nothing missing really.
artifexd: Can you explain what sx and sy are?
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kakobrekla: sybil entities
artifexd: The phrase "ignoring what I suspect to be sx" throws me.
thestringpuller: artifexd: have you looked at the wiki article yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack
artifexd: I have not. A sybil attack is something that I thought I understood.
thestringpuller: just apply it to WoT and you'll understand the convo
artifexd: OH! When he says sx and sy, he is referring to nodes, but more specifically, they are malicious nodes.
artifexd: So "suspect to be sx" means "suspect to be a malicious node".
kakobrekla: right
artifexd: With that in mind, re-reading...
kakobrekla: ima gonna get a shower.
thestringpuller: i hope there is a hot chick in that shower with you kakobrekla
artifexd: <kakobrekla> Ok, lets assume a simple case, with s1 and s2 which are both legit. <- If we go with s and n as malicious/legit modifiers, how can s1 and s2 be legit?
artifexd: <kakobrekla> So now each of them herps derps legit things. You see half of it. <- That now reads as they both make legitimate ratings but "you" only pays attention to one of the ratings.
artifexd: mircea_popescu is saying that if I were to see both ratings I would have a view of what happened such that I wouldn't need to ask anything about it, but, if I ignored one of the ratings, I would have a different view of what happened such that I would need to investigate more and thus possibly expose a falsified event?
thestringpuller: reeds moar game theory
artifexd: Apparently I must\
kakobrekla: should be "n1 and n2 which are both legit"
kakobrekla: the convo was edited.
kakobrekla: (condensed a bit)
kakobrekla: and "herps derps legit things" meaning talking about legit things which the author assumes is not legit, thats why the herp and derp
thestringpuller: ah
kakobrekla: theres a slight possibility
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: nevermind.
TestingUnoDosTre: I thought it meant rates something legit as if it were illegitimate
kakobrekla: well, gotta leave something for people to wonder about in the following centuries
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thestringpuller toasts to the bitcoin illuminati.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8506 @ 0.0010072 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
artifexd: kakobrekla: It would be awesome if logs.bitcoin-assets.com could indicate if the person making a statement was authed with nickserv and/or ident with gribble at the time he/she made the statement. Like color coding the log entry or something.
thestringpuller: not a bad idea
thestringpuller: but you can /nick kakobrekla
thestringpuller: so freenode does that for you
danielpbarron: artifexd: I believe it does.. you can't get voice without being authed i think
kakobrekla: authed with gribble, not necessarily with nickserv
kakobrekla: or someone can !up you
kakobrekla: but we were already discussing this earlier, nickserv suck. perhaps especially on freenode
kakobrekla: not sure what the policies are on other networks
benkay: Hi. I'm not really benkay
artifexd: Yeah. gribble > nickserv
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
dignork: !up vcorem
assbot: Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
artifexd: ^ that's awesome
dignork: mircea_popescu: so if you had questions to Spondoolies-Tech, vcorem is the guy
kakobrekla: what is spondoolies tech
vcorem: http://myminer.io
ozbot: Spondoolies Tech Plug&Mine
vcorem: ASIC Company
kakobrekla: o my.
vcorem: http://spminer.io
ozbot: Spondoolies-Tech
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4637 @ 0.00099458 = 4.6119 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: well
kakobrekla: you did manage to get the attention of bfl shills
kakobrekla: so thats a point.
kakobrekla: this goes beyond lol
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6283131#msg6283131
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00098854 = 0.1977 BTC [-]
phf: eauth phf
phf: ;;eauth phf
gribble: Request successful for user phf, hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5356DE4752432A9E
phf: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:886e192d04d17462894e8f6563810b03fbf539ffee7e1bbfa7b9de4f
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
phf: ooh
thestringpuller: Cognitive Rises
thestringpuller: like batman
kakobrekla: thats it for tonite. later
TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my. Spicy beer, this is outrageous
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1002 @ 0.00074697 = 0.7485 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 484 @ 0.00081221 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14082 @ 0.00098843 = 13.9191 BTC [-] {2}