assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0639717 = 1.4074 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkle’s waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available
mircea_popescu: , the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."
mircea_popescu: this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.
BingoBoingo: "After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a “booze bus” to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkle’s management team. The message: Don’t come into work tomorrow — you’re fired.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06279904 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Interesting how these things reveal themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13790 @ 0.00097298 = 13.4174 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a “caste system” within Clinkle. Another said there was “segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.”
mircea_popescu: For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.0009755 = 19.4222 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?
mircea_popescu: facebook is responsible i swear. every nutcase imagines himself randi zuckerberg now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9179 @ 0.00097085 = 8.9114 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.
mircea_popescu: "The sound technology, the source says, doesn’t yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."
mircea_popescu: artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.
artifexd: It absolutely does not hurt to occasionally think, "How easily could I be replaced by a small shell script?"
artifexd: And, fwiw, my feelings aren't *still* hurt. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.02754321 = 1.3221 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0620051 = 0.6201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00097687 = 22.468 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.00073009 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1931 @ 0.00071489 = 1.3805 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00097085 = 1.8019 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00096964 = 5.6666 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.54, Best ask: 496.74, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 494.54, 24 hour volume: 19864.09287664, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 502.001018804
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.06292704 = 3.0205 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0620051 = 0.31 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Do I want persistence on a USB drive Linux that I'll be using to access/store offline funds ?
Duffer1: i'm not sure man, i just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 myself, i have no idea what best practices are
nubbins`: it depends on whether you want to store keys on there or not
Duffer1: the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago
Duffer1: so i'm not exactly up on security practices :P
nubbins`: for example, persistence wouldn't be an option if you were running linux from a cdr
nubbins`: because you can't save your changes
TestingUnoDosTre: But I will need persistence if I want to download some bitcoin client and maybe like python-qt4 when I first boot?
nubbins`: you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02628999 = 0.184 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05325 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0629999 = 0.252 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, Armory has an offline half and an online half.
BingoBoingo: The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31106 @ 0.00097539 = 30.3405 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: I thought i didnt need to gribble auth everytime if i was nickseev id'd
artifexd: Yeah. Gotta be ident for assbot to pay you any mind
artifexd: Can you appoint me as an altcoin representative?
artifexd: I'm trying to grab control of #altcoin.
artifexd: You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?
artifexd: I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.
artifexd: The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago. Hasn't been in it for...
artifexd: He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.
ThickAsThieves: So rhe process for controlling it would be to state purpose and provide url?
ThickAsThieves: Seems a lil loose but i also dont get how to make someone an official rep
artifexd: Pop into #freenode. Ask a staffer to transfer control. Answer whatever questions he has. (Is it open source? Etc...)
artifexd: If you recognize me as a rep, I'm a rep.
artifexd: I can point them at the bitcointalk thread. And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."
artifexd: The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.
artifexd: Oh. Look at you. Doing it yourself. Awesome.
artifexd: Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.
artifexd: It is no hurry. It is no big deal.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00097435 = 9.6129 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like the composer for the Heroes game music does some for Rift too
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: FWIW, metabyte has been booted as founder of #altcoin and now the founder is listed as freenode-staff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 495.83, Best ask: 496.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 495.83, 24 hour volume: 19187.47353827, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 500.488451876
assbot: Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.
jurov: nooo i wanted to cuddle
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assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.00097227 = 9.5866 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Canadians arrest a Heartbleed hacker - Apr. 16, 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07680892 = 0.384 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.00593332 = 0.178 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1530 @ 0.00060939 = 0.9324 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009776 = 10.9002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1882 @ 0.00012909 = 0.2429 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012997 = 0.3899 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: i'm on the road, still 450km to timis
fluffypony: Namworld: so did you figure out why you got named-and-shamed in that SymStep thread?
Namworld: Wasn't there another loan thing on Bitfunder other than Ukyo? Who was it?
ozbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
Namworld: Eh. I have a loan still outstanding. I was repaying people for a good while after BTCT.co closed. I ran into issues tho, I'm not done repaying everyone.
fluffypony: still, on a list of hipsterrific scams it seems an odd thing to mention
Namworld: Well people so far have accepted my explanation and were okay to wait a while.
kakobrekla: well, if someone is ok to assfuck him, that doesnt mean you didnt assfuck him
Namworld: The terms where that loan was redeemable on demand, providing time for liquiding assets. The timespan is just getting unreasonable.
Namworld: Although otherwise I guess that yes, it's a default. I just don't know why he's naming me among so many scams who are more than just late. Or where he even learned I'm late on some payments.
Namworld: Actually nevermind, I guess since I'm not paying daily interest like on contract, that's a default.
Namworld: The lack of a platform to do that is kind of problematic.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2009 @ 0.00097201 = 1.9528 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lol bitcoin dude. get some doge instead.
fluffypony: ICMP traffic is working, TCP is working, but HTTP/HTTPS isn't working
assbot: Voicing edlund10 for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: so it's my ISP's DSL proxy that's broken
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: so when did you buy coinroll.it? :-P
fluffypony: keeping him cool in hot Romanian summers?
edlund10: no, I mostly admire his literary work so far
edlund10: I think he gained lots of popularity after the "How to interact with a fiat institution" article
mircea_popescu: da fuck, that'll be the laugh of all time, if it turns out my real talent was literary.
fluffypony: I await your first book with eager expectation
ozbot: I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
edlund10: yes, it's a pity i don't understand romanian so good :)
mircea_popescu: writing books ~in romanian~ struck even 2005 me as a little silly.
fluffypony: you should republish it electronically through SmashWords
mircea_popescu: edlund10 link to 1st chapter in that link, then chains of links to following chapters.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because they do all the heavy lifting of getting it into the Kindle and iBooks stores etc.
fluffypony: although it could be an interesting proposition to them
mircea_popescu: meh, a few hundred bucks on yet another site account somewhere is at this point a net loss to me,
mircea_popescu: i'd have to put someone on it and everyone's overworked.
fluffypony: "We work on commission. We don't charge for our ebook publishing, conversion and distribution services, and we don't sell publishing packages. We earn our commission only if we sell your book, and our commission is only 15% or less of the net, which works out to 10% of the retail price when your book sells at our retailers. For example, a $10.00 ebook sold at one of our retail partners earns you $6.00 and earns Smashwords $1.00. The same
fluffypony: book sold at Smashwords earns you about $8.00."
mircea_popescu: yes but they also don't do it by themselves, it seems.
ozbot: Smashwords – Distribution
fluffypony: they also provide the ISBN if there isn't one already
mircea_popescu: dude. looky here : at this point the situation is, some site somewhere provided you do some things may maybe sell your book. things such as i dunno... make an account.
mircea_popescu: now, the upside i judge at what, a few hundred bucks. cause they're not gonna sell a million copies without advertising and marketing work.
mircea_popescu: and the downside is i'd have to put "make acct with X site" on someone's workorder.
edlund10: i wondered - have you thought about a website like betfair for bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surpriosed if the above problem is actually most of the friction that site encounters, in its business
assbot: Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <mike_c> plus hard work is its own reward
mircea_popescu: the stones buried under the earth have SPOKEN THROUGH THE MIKE!
assbot: Voicing ArsKisS for 30 minutes.
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, wut happens
mircea_popescu: yeah, gotta be in assbot's l2 wot, id witrh gribble, pm assbot !up nao.
ArsKisS: can you turn gribble spam off? it's annoying
ArsKisS: spam my query every time i log in
ArsKisS: "Hey beware scammers, blah blah"
fluffypony: and it has to be there because so many people join, get pm'd, and get scammed
ArsKisS: fluffypony, still it's annoying
ArsKisS: doesn't matter which channel it's on
mircea_popescu: nanotube maybe add a counter and only tell people say... 500 times they shoulds pay attention ?
ArsKisS: fluffypony, well, if they get scammed anyway, what does the spam help?
ArsKisS: if some of us are stupid it doesn't make things better to annoy the non-stupid ones
fluffypony: lol ArsKisS, I'm not responsible for gribble, I was just explaining the rationale
mircea_popescu: ArsKisS it probably alleviates the conscxience of the people running -otc ?
ArsKisS: fluffypony, i didn't say you are :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc
mircea_popescu: and that place'd be all full of... annoying kindergarterisms. like... "remember to brush your teeth!"
kakobrekla: 12:53.02 ( +mircea_popescu ) [11:49:40] anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc < all but -assets ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it turns out, by the way, that the ~average~ open bitbet is 20 btc pool.
assbot: Voicing thi for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves quick impersonate TheRealThickAsThieves and say embarassing things
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, btc went up 10x over this year, avg bet went up 10%
ThickAsThieves: i was dreaming that the vip guys were in a brawl in a field and i dove in to rumble then there was a tick in my glove and the hotel phone rang
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
gribble: Error: 'He' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: so if these idjits manage to bomb israel off the face of the map and then we rebuild wit with bitcoin
fluffypony: we can rebuild it. we have the technology.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: serious question or joke?
fluffypony: maybe just to screw with us he'll move some of those old coins around in like 2040
mircea_popescu: the various return-of-satoshi mysticisms will be fun to watch in the coming yearsd
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is this scam weather piddling or notrly ?
ThickAsThieves: i like how this coinroll complainer doesnt even provide a tx
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves would you stop being arrogant to other people's customers!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00097564 = 13.3663 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2411 @ 0.00012999 = 0.3134 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0644995 = 0.129 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9007 @ 0.00097805 = 8.8093 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.0645 = 3.0315 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18726 @ 0.00097496 = 18.2571 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1970 @ 0.00010031 = 0.1976 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what's mpex's stance/your thoughts on companies that raise funds in BTC, but then don't only accept payment in BTC (and thus possibly being profitable from a fiat perspective, but not entirely from a BTC perspective) ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50050002 = 2.002 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6500 @ 0.0001517 = 0.9861 BTC [+] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 613 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4400 @ 0.00018918 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {6}
ozbot: The full picture of former Neo & Bee employees : Bitcoin
Duffer1: " that we in fact lost 2480 bitcoins in Mt. Gox" >> wow.. what wow
fluffypony: I'll hazard that he has a lot more on his person, but let's see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i'm curious if the above neobeeq buyer is dyslexic..
Duffer1: or maybe someone cursed with reallly bad timing
fluffypony: the timing does seem to be interesting
Duffer1: in this space if you don't keep your own money there is no hope
fluffypony: I never understood the need to IPO on multiple exchanges
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah, but that just screams scammy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
bounce: "The goal of this IPO is to IPO on as many exchanges as possible."
bounce: really should start another company. walkaway coins, financial hiking services.
Apocalyptic: bounce, what's the area you're servicing ?
bounce: the valleys and the hills of the land of bitcoin. but maybe there's room for an ipo or two on some fiat exchanges.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "Danny Brewster was GOX'ED. His creditors and employees were BEE'ED. If YOU don't want to be LOCAL'ED, CBASE'D or BITSTAMP'ED please, please, please with sugar on top, check out the new Armory cold storage wallet"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0523 = 0.2615 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.00594282 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.0001686 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1667 @ 0.0001605 = 0.2676 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2333 @ 0.00015995 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 667 @ 0.00015969 = 0.1065 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00015061 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014969 = 0.1497 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013116 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3075 @ 0.00013093 = 0.4026 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00097275 = 1.8482 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02799999 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06475005 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02716019 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02665335 = 0.3998 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06300005 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013256 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: Why internet chat if you're in a bar chatting in person?
TestingUnoDosTre: Well it's 10am where I am and I'm at work. Need some stimulation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05315 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02804974 = 0.2244 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00056684 = 0.8503 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05345 = 0.1604 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2315 @ 0.00013792 = 0.3193 BTC [+] {3}
artifexd: I'd like to be there. My wife tells me that I shall go next year.
artifexd: As for my enterprise, I endeavor to turn desires into running code.
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
jurov: Hi all, we arrived in hotel, where's everyone?
jurov: Afk at a bar I guess :)
assbot: Voicing sheldonthomas for 30 minutes.
jurov: I have found the phone number I used last year :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012879 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348 = 0.2139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.03408630 BTC to 8`421 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0509875 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 47.39894586 BTC to 8`421 shares, 562866 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.04806276 = 0.8171 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Voice for sheldonthomas extended to 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02922221 = 0.263 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04370199 = 0.437 BTC [-] {5}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00097099 = 10.778 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 800 @ 0.00017291 = 0.1383 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02825002 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01019666 = 0.1122 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing chmod755 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0649999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 412 @ 0.00069864 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.00069866 = 0.2578 BTC [+]
fluffypony: suggested that future IPOs could use a multi-sig wallet for funds raised
fluffypony: and have a small supervisory board elected among the shareholders
fluffypony: who will control the keys to that wallet (along with the CEO/CFO/chief bigwig/whatever)
artifexd: I'd be so much richer if I had found this channel a year ago....
artifexd: Not from investing in things I found here, but from not losing money from investing in things not found here.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The solution is more along the lines of, if the woodchipper eats your right arm, don't offer it your left.
fluffypony: well, it wouldn't make spending too difficult (maybe make it a 3 of N multisig, for eg., or even less - 2 of N), but to make scamming more difficult and thus require not only the manipulation of the market but also the manipulation of the (more competent) investor pool
ozbot: David W. Cummings Obituary: View David Cummings's Obituary by Citrus County Chronicle
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: there are always going to be *new* people with arms to stick in woodchippers
fluffypony: and there's always going to be another ProtoShares or BitcoinBourse or whatever
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well you put out signs like "Here be Woodchipper"
fluffypony: or "must be this high to stick arm in woodchipper"
fluffypony: and by high I'm not referring to stature
fluffypony: I think it's an interesting proposition
mrstickball: I would think that Bitcoin needs to integrate a WoT mechanism endemic to private keys
fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: nobody does tranches, and when they do they generally do it badly
mrstickball: so if you want to send an address, a trust rating can be attached to said address to verify authenticity/legitimacy if the user desires such
mrstickball: you know what'd solve such large IPO issues? Due dilligance
mrstickball: 10 bitcoins says Havelock never met the owner/operators of NeoBee IRL
fluffypony: mrstickball: with Neo&Bee there was due diligence from ThickAsThieves among others
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BingoBoingo: Well, not all dilligence is actual dilligence
fluffypony: and if you have a charming enough frontman you can be convinced of many things
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BingoBoingo: Well, what's the whole story it is hard to find the original threads
fluffypony: when we launched we had a shipping option called surface mail
fluffypony: but it's not by ship directly to the destination port
fluffypony: it goes through the normal routing, but by ship, so it's extremely slow
fluffypony: of course, because it's the cheapest, like 70% of the people went for it
fluffypony: no, they all arrived, we haven't had a lost shipment yet
fluffypony: and there's literally nothing you can do in the interim
fluffypony: a lot of people complained, and we removed the shipping option
fluffypony: all the guys with large orders (>$500) are chilled, because they read the timelines during checkout, they understood how long it could take
fluffypony: it's the guy with an $80 order that complains the loudest
fluffypony: you still have idiots that insist it's impossible
fluffypony: and that they can ship stuff from China for 1/10th of the price and 80x the weight and it arrives in 2 days
fluffypony: their postal service pricing is better than ours
fluffypony: that's why we've now got a US and an EU distributor
fluffypony: and people can get it in 3 days instead of 3 months
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BingoBoingo: Still, how was this idea born? Manufactering and shipping from South Africa... A country that just really isn't so good at shipping.
fluffypony: to be fair, our post office's EMS shipments have been amazing and reasonably priced (they charge on actual weight, not volumetric, and deliveries have been 5-9 days worldwide)
thestringpuller: "The C.E.O. has to be the virus," Mr. Huang said. "To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day."
fluffypony: but I didn't really have the urge to fly to China and setup a QC/manufacturing structure for a product that I didn't know would sell well
thestringpuller: Bingo Boingo why the drinking recrod take so long to load today?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Do you have a time for when that happened? I don't know and dream host doesn't know. I need times when it slows down.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: No, these are an everybody thing it seems. I'll file another ticket.
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thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: they place bets for submitters on bitbet? this is news to me
thestringpuller: bitcoinassets is empty cause all the smart people are in romanias
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but the good kind of illuminati shit
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BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Because Havelock is part of the problem
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fluffypony: BingoBoingo: well, I didn't want to say it, but....
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fluffypony: I'm not an advanced enough AI to use an Autodesk product
ozbot: ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board
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TestingUnoDosTre: BingoBongo can we get someone to flood Sgt STAR with questions so he becomes laggy?
danielpbarron: as per recommendations from users in this channel, I have sold my XCP; still got a lot to learn..
fluffypony: that's that thing that allows you to "invest" in anonymous "companies" that don't need to demonstrate they have any ability to earn money, right?
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fluffypony: danielpbarron: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a decentralised exchange, but the idea of just about anyone anonymously running an unregistered, unregulated company just seems to be asking for trouble
danielpbarron: fluffypony: yeah, I really like the idea too, and I think it could work fine for really small scale trivial stuff
mrstickball: the problem is that until you have full compliance with governments (just like with exchanges), the government can come in and can anyone for any reason
mrstickball: and given the number of securities that are both unregistered AND scams... is a problem
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BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I don't really see the point in that
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
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fluffypony: BingoBoingo: plz explain like I'm not a baseball person?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I did half of that already, the rest is between you and a reference work on the subject.
fluffypony: make me do actual work on a Friday night
BingoBoingo: Still friday afternoon here. Have yet to go to the liquor store.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Best sport for casual drinking while watching.
cgcardona_: I saw the giants once in SF last year. but that was it.
cgcardona_: i saw roger waters the wall at the same stadium. that was fucking insane
cgcardona_: its so common in SF that you can just get away with it and noone says anything
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I don't know - it was in May 2010?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006
fluffypony: it was fun, and I enjoyed the food/booze there significantly more than like 95% of the restaurants/takeout places I was hauled off to in St. Louis
cgcardona_: different time frame w/ edibles. They are just as good but you gotta wait half an hour or so. Sneaking a quick vaper is always the way to go. (if that's your thing of course)
TestingUnoDosTre: I ate some taffy and it really started kicking in after a couple hours. Guess it absorbs better after you eat a fatty meal
ozbot: Ishmael | When Bitcoin Met Pete
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fluffypony: it's 10:30 and I'm 3/4 of a bottle of wine down, so not sure if I'll appreciate an article that consists of more than 4 paragraphs
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bitcoinpete: myeah, it's basically s/takers/fiaters, s/leavers/bitcoiners
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bitcoinpete: fluffypony: he is a nice bloke. he's also a giant ape lol
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I have friends who are giant apes, so that's ok then :)
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I regularly provide lulz at market rates
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ozbot: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mi
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bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if tatiana is available for the third conference, you can judge her for yourself ;)
artifexd: I got the whole "If too much of the wot acts in unison, it largely defeats the point of a wot" part. It was the last part about only witnessing half the herp derping that lost me.
artifexd: What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
thestringpuller: well the example of the teacher an non paying attention students
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thestringpuller: the WoT could be infiltrated by script kiddies who all rate each other and work in tandem like group think of reddit
thestringpuller: so the minorirty becomes the actual trustworthy people such as mircea_popescu or kako
artifexd: What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
artifexd: So actors A and B were good, trustworthy people until they fucked up. But actor C only sees one of them fuck up. <- Am I tracking so far?
artifexd: Then kakobrekla says "How does that help?" How does that help what and in what way?
mrstickball: I think you could have independent audits of the WoT to verify legitimacy
mrstickball: its not hard to use a script to defeat automated Reddit WOT bots, too
mrstickball: you mentioned script kiddies using bots to upvote/ect
artifexd: Well it wouldn't be just script kiddies and bots. If mircea_popescu were to rate someone as something and then everyone else in here were to rate that same person as that same thing, it would have the same effect.
thestringpuller: yes in tandem, but the problem is the n nodes ignore the script kiddies
fluffypony: so then is it a matter of macroscopic vs. microscopic views of the WoT as it relates to a single entity within the WoT?
thestringpuller: suppose I herp derp someone, n(1) sees it but n(2) does not
artifexd: How is that a problem? n(1) could rate you appropriately. n(2) could not.
fluffypony: so if n(2) had a macroscopic view they would see the rating given by n(1) ?
artifexd: n(2) would probably look at all the ratings given to thestringpuller and make his own jugement.
artifexd: And in doing so, group think should be visible.
fluffypony: thus the issue only arises when n(2) maintains a microscopic view and disregards the WoT in favour of observed or hearsay indications of "trust"
artifexd: There are multiple ratings that exist only to move aethero's rating in a specific direction.
thestringpuller: artifexd: no not at all. that would be groupthink. n(2) did not see what n(1) did so to rate me is to group think
fluffypony: right, so sort by rating, talk to those with the most positive and most negative stories
fluffypony: take with a pinch of salt and make up our own mind
artifexd: If n(2) were to rate you based soley on n(1)'s rating, yeah, that'd be groupthink.
artifexd: I had assumed in your example that n(2) didn't rate you at all for that specific scenario.
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artifexd: Groupthink is the problem, right? At least as far as it is not immediately visible as such.
kakobrekla: and remember kids, no brain, no tumor.
artifexd: kakobrekla: Is that article from #bitcoin-assets logs or a summary of a verbal discussion.
artifexd: It feels like much is missing.
artifexd: Can you explain what sx and sy are?
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artifexd: The phrase "ignoring what I suspect to be sx" throws me.
artifexd: I have not. A sybil attack is something that I thought I understood.
artifexd: OH! When he says sx and sy, he is referring to nodes, but more specifically, they are malicious nodes.
artifexd: So "suspect to be sx" means "suspect to be a malicious node".
artifexd: With that in mind, re-reading...
thestringpuller: i hope there is a hot chick in that shower with you kakobrekla
artifexd: <kakobrekla> Ok, lets assume a simple case, with s1 and s2 which are both legit. <- If we go with s and n as malicious/legit modifiers, how can s1 and s2 be legit?
artifexd: <kakobrekla> So now each of them herps derps legit things. You see half of it. <- That now reads as they both make legitimate ratings but "you" only pays attention to one of the ratings.
artifexd: mircea_popescu is saying that if I were to see both ratings I would have a view of what happened such that I wouldn't need to ask anything about it, but, if I ignored one of the ratings, I would have a different view of what happened such that I would need to investigate more and thus possibly expose a falsified event?
kakobrekla: should be "n1 and n2 which are both legit"
kakobrekla: and "herps derps legit things" meaning talking about legit things which the author assumes is not legit, thats why the herp and derp
TestingUnoDosTre: I thought it meant rates something legit as if it were illegitimate
kakobrekla: well, gotta leave something for people to wonder about in the following centuries
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artifexd: kakobrekla: It would be awesome if logs.bitcoin-assets.com could indicate if the person making a statement was authed with nickserv and/or ident with gribble at the time he/she made the statement. Like color coding the log entry or something.
danielpbarron: artifexd: I believe it does.. you can't get voice without being authed i think
kakobrekla: authed with gribble, not necessarily with nickserv
kakobrekla: but we were already discussing this earlier, nickserv suck. perhaps especially on freenode
kakobrekla: not sure what the policies are on other networks
benkay: Hi. I'm not really benkay
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
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dignork: mircea_popescu: so if you had questions to Spondoolies-Tech, vcorem is the guy
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kakobrekla: you did manage to get the attention of bfl shills
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
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phf: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:886e192d04d17462894e8f6563810b03fbf539ffee7e1bbfa7b9de4f
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
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