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BingoBoingo: SecondMarket would have been well advised to avoid Gox and consider http://mpex.co/faq.html#28
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, agreed :D but i think they are interested in making their own dogfood
Duffer1: i expect they'll still try to do an exchange, i have doubts about longevity of the venture though
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: What I mean is if you want to run something as a "Trust" for patrons, you do indeed need to dogfood it instead of depositing with Gox.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: Speaking of encouraging people to blog more , my latest, mostly a rehashing of asciilifeform on digital security: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/digital-delusions-of-digital-security/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00086258 = 12.5074 BTC [-] {3}
dexX7: the plans of the sm exchange go back to at least november. a "ny based exchange" was mentioned several times during the senate hearings and i guess that's no coincidence. also a bitlicense was promoted via the press at that time.
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira well ther'es the bitbet bet...
MAKABEakira: dexX7, good catch. i love the way they float the ideas until they coalesce into precipitate. makes the fanclub think that these things 'just appear' somehow
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy is reasonably well known. at least by btc standards at any rate.
mod6: cool summary, bitcoinpete
mircea_popescu: what i don't love is how many people need to be hurt into comprehending that they're better off following than trying to lead.
mircea_popescu: it's fucking arakis over here.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: thank you :)
bitcoinpete: mod6: cheers
BingoBoingo: Well since the gox collapse last names with the Si* pattern of spelling are hard to track without pulling the redbook out of its safe place
Duffer1: dune reference high five?
mircea_popescu: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2394 @ 0.00052297 = 1.252 BTC [-] {14}
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, i am not up to speed on bitbet. are they buy|sell|trold?
mircea_popescu: they're kickass.
BingoBoingo: Bitbet is the best bet
grubles: mp runs / owns bitbet, correct?
MAKABEakira: hmm on there now. grep deadpool section
joecool: mircea_popescu: i never can tell if you're serious or trolling most of the time, imma roll with it though
mircea_popescu: grubles just half.
mircea_popescu: joecool i rarely troll.
joecool: how do i know you're not trolling right now?
grubles: who owns the other half, if I might ask?
joecool: oh well, i respect the mystery
joecool: bbl tacos
mircea_popescu: grubles kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: it's in the contract you know, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
grubles: didnt know ^_^
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, is hreniuc a common surname in RO
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: it's not even ro, sounds armenian
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, <spock brow> fascinating.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00086245 = 18.0252 BTC [-] {2}
MAKABEakira: according to all my armenian friends (and in LA, you cannot not have them) they are all the direct issue of the big G himself.
mircea_popescu: gingis khan ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're discussing bitbet, i dunno if this was ever published, but
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN
mircea_popescu: that's the address paying the house bets, refunds, referrals.
MAKABEakira: yes none of that blue horde discount mongol crap.
dexX7: quick, get a blockchain.info tag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100103 BTC [-]
MAKABEakira: top bet 10k BTC. whats that, only $30/day rise every day till then, to win it.
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: more like 3k a day for a week straight.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu does the bet stand even w/out gox in the pix
mircea_popescu: yea see the mod comment
dexX7: snackman still posts comments on bb? :D
dexX7: ah no, it was an old one
mircea_popescu: nah i imagine he meanwhile got bored
mircea_popescu: "forever" at 19 means about three months
MAKABEakira: a sub 20 min bet time limit would be useful
mircea_popescu: no it wouldn't.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, TV
mircea_popescu: how the hell do you imagine an admin would get to it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since we have been doing some auditing on bitbet : the total BTC held in currently published addresses is 1778.18326295. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the total actual exposure bitbet has to bets (ie, stuff people bet that hasn't been yet resolved) is 414.9x
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: What sort of TV projects do you have experience working on if you care to answer?
mircea_popescu: this means that if you bet 1350 btc or less you are guaranteedly going to be paid out (should you win) with btc that are already held from old bets.
MAKABEakira: i am working with a team that produces a nationally syndicated game show on US TV
BingoBoingo: Nice
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira so why can't these be week bets like in sane land ?
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, live TV project needs live TV timeframes
BingoBoingo: You can answer this next question or decline it as you wish, but Jeopardy?
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, no sir. not *that* famous. but a hint. this show knocked wheel of fortune out of several markets
MAKABEakira: despite being a very different kind of show
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira can you guarantee minimums ?
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, honesly this got less interesting when you said game show. Honestly I was hoping you'd say drama, like The Blacklist, Almost Human, Archer, Chozen, or Hannibal
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, not much you can do in drama with audience interaction, which is what we specilize in. standup project in works though.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we wont do it if we cannot. i didn't even consider this idea till you brought up bitbet, but i like the prospects.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0008648 = 33.1651 BTC [+] {3}
MAKABEakira: just blue skying atm
mircea_popescu: well, consider the business caseas first and foremost. bitbet takes 1%
mod6: lol @ Krieger using "crypto currencies" in a recent episode.
mircea_popescu: out of that 1% i'll have to justify someone sitting with eyes glued to your thing
mircea_popescu: it can be done, if you have the volume to justify it. otherwise, just so it exists generally, it's not gonna happen
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we have a prod team who can has assigned a staff for that if it is externalizable
MAKABEakira: who can haz a cheeseburger
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, the thing is... Audience interaction may be good for business but it is shit for art, even barely art art
BingoBoingo: mod6: Kenny Loggins was the greater part of that though.
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, not even pretending we are making art. can't all be freewheeling bitcoin barons alas
mod6: BingoBoingo: haha
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Why a Baron. Maybe I'm a duke. Maybe I am far less. Perhaps just a footman, or even a much lesser hallboy.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I'm actually starting to like it's followup Chozen. Reminds me of Bitcointalk last summer.
Duffer1: blood everywhere?
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: So much blood
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira in principle it is externalisable, but in practice it's a problematic point, because if you scam the users on my trademark i'll have to kill you.
BingoBoingo: ^ !
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, we are pretty visible, kinda hard to run from the romanian a-team if we burn y'all
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: See http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/
mircea_popescu: reasonably open to this in principle then.
mircea_popescu: do yourself a favour get in the wot today.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, i'll update you after i due dilly on this plan a bit.
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: who says he even hires Romanian. Trilema shows he tries to avoid it as much as possible
dexX7: MAKABEakira: what length has an episode of your show?
dexX7: because you may need to keep in mind that there are confirmation times
MAKABEakira: 22 min typically. sometimes we go over. and by sometimes i mean every time
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 19 minutes and 21 seconds
mircea_popescu: that kinda killed your idea right there
Duffer1: ltc?
Duffer1: :P
dexX7: :D
mircea_popescu: even with ltc.
dexX7: i heard dogecoin has a time between blocks of 1 min
BingoBoingo: LTC has 20 minute blocks too occasionally
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Dogecoin also has an arse full of dicks
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, wp. i didn't consider that at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07499922 = 0.375 BTC [+]
dexX7: introduce some kind of "bitbet balance/wallet" which you can fund before a show to skip confirmation times
mircea_popescu: it could be done.
mircea_popescu: but then users would have to "log in" which... gpg ?
mike_c: cardanos for signing in :)
MAKABEakira: also, disclosure, this would not be for network tv, this is a smaller Bitcoin-land specific project which will be bcast on web only. its a warmup proj to test workable ideas for a later network show
mod6: BingoBoingo: I havent seen Chozen yet, its funny though huh?
mod6: haha, must be if it reminds you of btctawk.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, show staff wd log in on behalf of users most likely
BingoBoingo: mod6: It's definitely worth catching at least the pilot on the shady streaming site of your choice
Duffer1: never seen it either
mod6: BingoBoingo: ok, will check it out then. thx.
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira a better idea would perhaps be to re-structure the program so as to work better with bitcoin's weaknesses.
mircea_popescu: more productive, too, in that it builds you a moat.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Less Bitcoin's weaknesses then its necessary inefficiencies
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : get in the wot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated. little bug in your site. '<<' ends up slicing off any text behind it.
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, k. good adv.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean in a comment ?
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: myeah. cleanning up html for mysql has its limits
mircea_popescu: you can however use proper <blockquote> syntax ims
asciilifeform: ah yes.
MAKABEakira: reading WOT> got beefs with gox ppl eh. ne0 lol
mircea_popescu: hm ?
MAKABEakira: he -10'd you, if i am reading it right. he banned me from mtgox for having the temerity to suggest he might be helping a crime happen
mircea_popescu: who, this ?
MAKABEakira: ne0futur, gox remote support IRC
mircea_popescu: o that guy.
mircea_popescu: yeah, scammers tend tro have issues with me
dexX7: ;;buy 800 btc
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
dexX7: how does that work??
dexX7: i want to see where we'd end
kakobrekla: ;;market
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: whatever
dexX7: ;;market buy 800
mircea_popescu: ;;asks 800
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 800 bitcoins right now would take 525811.5155 USD and would take the last price up to 660.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 657.2644 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 11017.05 bitcoins offered at or under 800.0 USD, worth 7802457.34039 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.3021 seconds
BingoBoingo: ;;asks 20000
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 17296.977 bitcoins offered at or under 20000.0 USD, worth 15399449.7301 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.6530 seconds
kakobrekla: gibbs says 'buy' is not an argument
kakobrekla: fuckya.
mircea_popescu: noobs
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 648.71, vol: 11355.86477422 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 636.0, vol: 6002.30423 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 648.0, vol: 3599.85123064 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 654.5, vol: 61.92114619 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 625.536, vol: 3119.48700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 20.94497584 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 638.8999, vol: 47.68698216 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
kakobrekla: ;;ticker --buy everything FUKKEN nao i SAID for btc gimmeh price plox
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
moiety: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14318 @ 0.0008625 = 12.3493 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006 = 0.18 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you live there, do you ?
mircea_popescu: is my peeconomy actually happerning ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04 = 0.64 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: near, about 6km
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0931998 = 0.2796 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: it may or may not be happening. only the 'national seekoority' bureaucrats are theoretically subject to pisstesting.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that it is done as a 'random' inspection
asciilifeform: on rare occasions.
asciilifeform: and is only really an issue for marijuana aficionados
BingoBoingo: Shit, It would be less than a 12 Km drive to asciilifeform if I wrote off the necessary distance that happens on US 40
asciilifeform: (other traditional drugs have very short half-lives)
mircea_popescu: http://www.questdiagnostics.com/home/companies/employer/drug-screening/products-services/urine-test/urine-test-with-quest
ozbot: Drug Screening for Employers | Quest Diagnostics : Urine Test with Quest Diagnostics
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. seems it's big biz.
asciilifeform: bus/train drivers.
asciilifeform: some 'prole' work (restaurants, etc.) that were conned into paying for it
mircea_popescu: and cab drivers, and pizza delivery boyz
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: and apparently oodlebunches of people.
asciilifeform: bureaucrats account for a small fraction, as i understand.
asciilifeform: (of the piss)
mircea_popescu: do or used to ?
asciilifeform: do, presently.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: it isn't unheard of - a shop not far from where i live actually sells... false piss.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0038998 = 0.39 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: and a contrivance for transporting and releasing it.
benkay: most american desk jockies as well, especially if your desk is attached to a manufacturing operation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00086234 = 72.0054 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: gotta keep risk down on insuring those line operators, and can't sow dissent in the ranks by testing the operators and not the engineers.
benkay: net result: test everyone. randomly.
mircea_popescu: lmao
benkay: this, as one might expect, is just another tool to control the cattle in america.
benkay: the testing is not random, it rarely even appears that way.
asciilifeform: chum of mine worked at a military lab where they occasionally tested people (oddly enough, the one where i worked - never. other than enlisted men) and noted that there was usually warning.
benkay: if insurance companies insist on tests actually happening, managers are discreetly dispatched to discover who the safe testing targets are.
asciilifeform: a few days warning suffices for everyone save the potsmokers.
benkay: senior management generally being reluctant to sacrifice the potsmokers, you see.
benkay: the really funny part of the whole charade?
benkay: the post-incident piss test.
mircea_popescu: that a romanian is sitting here laughing his ass off ?
benkay: "did you smoke pot in the last thirty days? oop - insurance doesn't cover that. guess you're out an arm!"
MAKABEakira: next time i have to do a UA (which is never) I should stock up on some methylene blue beforehand
BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well, depends on how much you like your liver
benkay: it's the kind of hilariously fucked up situations you get under communism i guess
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, we're just acquaintances so i'm ok with some light hearted abuse at liver's expense
MAKABEakira: he can filter it out
asciilifeform: all i can tell from my perch - somebody must be buying those false bladders and their refills.
MAKABEakira: the romans had a peeconomy for realz
asciilifeform: by tradition, one is expected to actually piss in the company of a witness
asciilifeform: but i do not know whether this tradition is 'honoured in the breach'
asciilifeform: i imagine the pisstest is a massive boondoggle for folks selling GC/MS gear.
mircea_popescu: benkay exactly.
mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira that is true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except men can't piss in the company of womenz generally speaking
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, when every positive needs confirmed
MAKABEakira: mircea_popescu, experian will have a whole new report to sell
mircea_popescu: and it'd be sexist to enforce genders
asciilifeform: everybody gets the correct witness, it is said.
asciilifeform: this (and airport arsesearch) is more or less the only place where it is permitted.
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: unfare.
asciilifeform: caveat - i've never seen this ritual alive, personally.
asciilifeform: always seems to be happening to some other fellow.
mircea_popescu regrets that his peeing article is in romanian
BingoBoingo: From stories it seems most of the enlisted drug tests now happen as an absorbent patch that collects sweat.
benkay: american white-collar folk are generally sent to the hospital, where the peeing happens in a luxurious room, in private.
benkay: ^^ again with the absurdities.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: link?
mircea_popescu: ;;google moment de intimitate-n baie
gribble: LA PERLA CLASSIC... Intimate and seductive... right on the ... - FlipKey: <http://www.flipkey.com/baie-rouge-vacation-rentals/p282190/>; Coolest places to propose in the Caribbean - USA Today: <http://www.usatoday.com/experience/caribbean/best-of-caribbean/coolest-places-to-propose-in-the-caribbean/5293329/>; Grand Baie Bay - Holiday Lettings: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/
ozbot: Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Once I finish my write up on baseball betting I might give translating it a shot.
dignork: mircea_popescu: я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин. :(
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: i think i threw this one in here at one point!
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3019 @ 0.0008651 = 2.6117 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bie_--PCAAEsqAh.jpg << smog.
BingoBoingo: Has anyone here ever shipped an oil painting before?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://www.reddotblog.com/wordpress/index.php/how-to-ship-paintings-a-step-by-step-guide-for-artists-and-galleries/
mircea_popescu: guy knows his shit
BingoBoingo: Thanks. I've got a piece to sell, because fucking Dreamhost emailed me that the hosting's renewal is coming up soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008651 = 4.9311 BTC [+]
MAKABEakira: BingoBoingo, jush needs the money
MAKABEakira: josh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.00590045 = 2.0475 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.003789 = 0.9662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14421 @ 0.00086496 = 12.4736 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100002 BTC [-]
Duffer1: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information-2.html#post77863
Duffer1: tldr late april
moiety: year?
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: "deployed 5 weeks from now" so probably september ish
MisterE: they have missed so many deliveries and are being sued by a bunch of people
MisterE: fuckem
Chris_Sabian_: does anyone know what is going on with AM? 181 from last week and only 31 coins this week...
the20year2: Closed on property #3 today, sellers did transfer us remaining rents + original deposits
nubbins`: congrats
the20year2: Current income of $1050/mo with 2 of 3 units occupied, next unit will add $400 once we get it rehabbed
Chris_Sabian_: Is that the Rental Company in Ohio?
the20year2: Yes
Chris_Sabian_: The level of communication from 'Branny' is excellent. Sad to say that it is a rarity in bitcoinland
mike_c: One of the ironies of the stock market is the emphasis on activity. Brokers, using terms such as "marketability" and "liquidity", sing the praises of companies with high share turnover (those who cannot fill your pocket will confidently fill your ear). But investors should understand that what is good for the croupier is not good for the customer. A hyperactive stock market is the
mike_c: pickpocket of enterprise.
mike_c: the oracle of omaha speaks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04300258 = 0.387 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22659 @ 0.0008651 = 19.6023 BTC [+]
the20year2: I try to keep everyone updated. The video logs and the audited finaicial reports I think will put us over the top in terms of quality of transparency
the20year2: The video logs for properties #4 and #5 make me excited, since they're both big rehab jobs and I do believe they'll come out good. I've got part of the #4 video edited and voice-overed. My plan is to break up the voice-over version between properties so I can get feedback on what people like
the20year2: Really don't want to go with the overly-dramatic HGTV videos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0008651 = 12.8467 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian_: so did you raise all of the ~$1 million?
the20year2: No , to reach #1m we'd need to do all 4 rounds, we just finished #1
the20year2: Round #1 had 78k shares, 2-4 have 50k/ea
Chris_Sabian_: got it, when it round 2?
the20year2: I'd say 30 days from now
Chris_Sabian_: what is the share price?
the20year2: It does take a little while to buy & rehab properties, so the capital doesn't get utilized immediately
Chris_Sabian_: for the next round?
the20year2: it's around .006btc/share or so
the20year2: It depends on what the median price is leading up to the 30 day period
Chris_Sabian_: good call
Chris_Sabian_: i may pick up some then
Chris_Sabian_: what make you persue the bitcoin option instead of traditional investors?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62226908 = 6.845 BTC [+] {6}
the20year2: too costly to do it with traditional investors, with bitcoin the startup cost was almost nothing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.63494539 = 13.9688 BTC [+] {4}
Chris_Sabian_: i'll see how the next 30 days or so go. i may throw 5 btc at rental and see what happens
the20year2: Cool
the20year2: Hopefully we can get to, or close to full utilization of capital by the time 30 days is up
thestringpuller: nubbins` here?
the20year2: We've utilized, or have in contract about 50% of the given capital
Chris_Sabian_: btc prices are low right now, i would hold off selling for $$ until the gox crap is over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006 = 0.12 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian_: 2014 will either make or break bitcoin. gox, regulations, tax, government interest, huge boost of awarness, it will be interesting to see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0911 = 0.3644 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 642.01, Best ask: 643.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.93000, Last trade: 643.97, 24 hour volume: 13390.95777424, 24 hour low: 614.17, 24 hour high: 656.95, 24 hour vwap: 634.354614252
the20year2: I agree, however it's one of those things, if we can reach a position where leverage is open, btc pricing will largely be irrelevant because we'll just be playing arbitrage on the variations in interest/property ields
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00615999 = 1.195 BTC [+] {3}
Chris_Sabian_: i don't follow
the20year2: BTC price would have to exceed $2500 by mid 2014 if we levered in the next 6 months
the20year2: in order for it to be worth it
the20year2: err mid 2015
the20year2: It comes down to waiting for BTC price increase, or increase NAV of properties by 30%, 40%, 50% in a few months
the20year2: The second option will be much better, especially if we successfully start offering seller financing on properties, as we're trying to do with property #4
the20year2: It'll start making more sense in a month or two once we get these properties done, and secure at least one seller financed deal
Chris_Sabian_: so the renter is renting to own?
the20year2: Yes, with a substantial down payment
the20year2: Of which, much would flow back to investors/shareholders because they're paying a down payment on the repaired value, not what we have in it
the20year2: Property #1 was $62k>$115k , #2 was $33.5k > $55k , I expect #4 to be $37.5k>$80k
Chris_Sabian_: so we buy crappy property, put some money into it, and hopefully flip it?
Chris_Sabian_: but if bitcoin price > NAV property then share price should go down
the20year2: It's a hybrid flip , it's the 'get cake and eat it too' strategy
the20year2: Correct, however you're gonna have to see major jumps in btc prices to compete with the NAV growth
Chris_Sabian_: september to december was ~ 1000%, december to now was down ~50%, september to now ~550%.
the20year2: With the scenario of #4, we'd still be eligible for financing on it, which means the new rent-to-owner has paid us anywhere from $5k-$8k in a non-refundable down payment, plus monthly payments of $500-$600 per month. We still are eligible for financing it from a bank (A cashout) and could also get another $60k from the property
the20year2: So, in that scenario we clear still $100-$150 a month in income off the property, still collect appreciation if the rent-to-owner decides they don't want it anymore (Which is the most likely scenario), AND have $65k-$68k back in our pockets
the20year2: So, we've built asset value, cashflow, and have money in our pockets
Chris_Sabian_: and hopefully the renters treat the property well
the20year2: Correct, and you're still allowed to require them to upkeep the property or face default on the loan/rent-to-own
the20year2: The quality level of people that have substantial downpayment is much higher than your $0 down types
Chris_Sabian_: makes sense, $0 means the people have no incentive to make sure the property is kept up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 310 @ 0.0063 = 1.953 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian_: nothing to lose
the20year2: Correct, and after 3-4 years, the renters are looking at up to $10k in loss from their damage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00086411 = 13.8258 BTC [-]
Chris_Sabian_: i would assume that you have some kind of background, fiance or history check with renters before you rentent?
the20year2: oh yeah
the20year2: Social media check, employment check, friend check
the20year2: It's proven that you're the sum of the people you hang around. Facebook makes it pretty easy to figure out if your renter is just a redneck, or a druggie
Chris_Sabian_: So if a property is 30k and needs work, why cant a renter just put the 5-6k down with bank loand instead of going through you?
Chris_Sabian_: and paying 50k?
Mats_cd03: interest and leverage
the20year2: Bank won't ever lend to them
kakobrekla: not enough fb friends for a bank?
the20year2: Anymore , banks refuse to lend to people who want a property that needs work. From 2004-now one of the highest default categories is wanabe investors/DIYers who buy a house, screw up the rehab and cost the bank money
the20year2: That's why I did the stock offering instead of just going to a local bank and asking for a loan. The bank wants to see properties in good shape with 3-6mo of cashflow before they'll lend
the20year2: for a owner occupant, they don't want to lend on a property that might have $5k in repairs, or $15k
Chris_Sabian_: and we trust that you can do that. I trust that you can do that....
the20year2: I don't know how many foreclosed houses I've been in that were 2nd time foreclosures in a 3-5 year period where the buyer had bought a foreclosure in the hopes of doing it themselves, then never completing repairs
the20year2: Pretty much :)
Chris_Sabian_: what is a typical comission for a realtor when selling?
the20year2: 5% to 6%
the20year2: If I have control what I do is usually 2% to the listing agent and then 3% + $2500 for the selling/buyer's agent
Chris_Sabian_: so both agents 'win'
the20year2: Sort of
the20year2: almost all brokerages in the US have clauses that if the selling agent comission goes above the 'area norm' , the remainder passes through to the agent directly
the20year2: And for most new agents, the cut is 50/50 , so they only get half of the 3%
the20year2: So, with say a $100k property @ 3% selling agent comission they're gonna get $1500, with the $2500 bonus they end up getting $4k
the20year2: Compared to say offering just 4% to the seller's agent, which would result in just $2k to them
Chris_Sabian_: and thay money comes from the seller?
the20year2: yes
the20year2: But , for every dollar you spend on marketing/fees, you typically get 2x or 3x back
Chris_Sabian_: higher selling price?
the20year2: When I got into real estate, i didn't believe the statistic they told agents. So, I individually tracked dozens of properties in my area that were listed without realtors, vs those listed with them
the20year2: Yes
Chris_Sabian_: is it true then?
the20year2: There was one subdivision close to me where every single house was a cookie cutter design , and the FSBOs averaged $97k , agent listings averaged $116k or so
the20year2: Sales price, not asking price. FSBOs were around 140 days on market, agent listed ones were around 100 too
Chris_Sabian_: marketing...
ThickAsThieves: [22:54] <mike_c> A hyperactive stock market is the pickpocket of enterprise. /// hadnt read that one, i like it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40899 @ 0.00086239 = 35.2709 BTC [-]
Chris_Sabian_: TAT - any chance you will restart XBOND?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00086575 = 16.5956 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14431 @ 0.0008668 = 12.5088 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: XBOND is gone forever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0911 = 0.1822 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00086285 = 18.163 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29947 @ 0.00086429 = 25.8829 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00086666 = 18.8065 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.638 = 1.914 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Chris_Sabian_:TAT - any chance you will restart XBOND? // No chance whatsoever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00086239 = 19.1882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00086399 = 44.6683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10990 @ 0.00086688 = 9.527 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0038998 = 0.1443 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00389999 = 0.3471 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0039 = 0.2574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086663 = 29.5521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00086181 = 72.392 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00631999 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.08710926 = 0.9582 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00631999 = 0.1517 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04120831 = 0.989 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00017016 = 1.021 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1129 @ 0.0001711 = 0.1932 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25785 @ 0.00086583 = 22.3254 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07 = 4.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12154 @ 0.00086117 = 10.4667 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086655 = 14.2981 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 90 @ 0.60187243 = 54.1685 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00389988 = 0.1053 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00389988 = 0.2847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00087057 = 44.312 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00086655 = 15.3813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00086655 = 11.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07 = 2.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08451 = 0.4226 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042125 = 0.1685 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3338 @ 0.00086655 = 2.8925 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0008608 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00085992 = 8.1219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00389975 = 0.9749 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
MisterE: LTC on Huboi get in on the pump
MisterE: https://www.huobi.com/topic/index.php?a=ltcshangxian
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00572647 = 0.5726 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00600585 = 0.9309 BTC [-] {8}
cazalla: pass
cazalla: litecoin is like the kid who said his $2 shop game of brick is the same as tetris on a gameboy (bitcoin)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00085979 = 47.0305 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: yeah really
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085997 = 13.3295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08428 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00056897 = 0.1684 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00085997 = 14.4905 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00086162 = 12.8812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12050 @ 0.0001469 = 1.7701 BTC [-] {20}
Neil: ;;bc.stats
gribble: Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command.
Neil: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 290189 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 114 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4219760456.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.58873
cazalla: didn't think it would stay under 10%
Neil: Doesn't need much of a pause to get there
cazalla: it'll be a close one re: the under 10% bet
Neil: Close ones like that can make a killing for bitbet
Neil: That was my bet I think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086455 = 16.4697 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 290190 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4214894904.81 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.46122
cazalla: are you betting no?
Neil: I think block 290303 needs to have a timestamp of 13/03/2014 05:57:02 or laster. But not certain.
Neil: later
Neil: Well I had the initial bet. Not bet since then... but it'd be a nice win if it happens
Neil: Got another chance in 2 weeks even if this misses
cazalla: hope not, i'm betting yes for http://bitbet.us/bet/705/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-more-than-30/
cazalla: 10% this cycle is a bit of a lull, fingers crossed for 30%+ next
Neil: cazalla: Yeah I think that's not gonna happen
Neil: The amount of hardware to come online to get 30% increases every 10 days is just nuts
cazalla: i love the long shots :)
Neil: Yeah they sometimes pay off spectacularly. I blew up on the MtGox $150 1March; if he'd only hung on another 4 days...
cazalla: won on that and gox closing
Neil: Gox closing was one of my bets too; I got that one right :) Just a bit too early...
cazalla: why would you bet gox above 150 then?
Neil: Well 25 mins between blocks is feeling good at the moment :)
cazalla: seemed both went hand in hand, at least to me
Neil: cazalla: Never thought they'd go before Mar 1st. Also bets were from last year
Neil: I viewed it more as a BTC bet, y'know.
Neil: It only became a gox bet in the last 2 weeks
cazalla: i bailed on them after the 5m confiscation
cazalla: if it was obvious to me at that point, i don't doubt smarter people bailed long before that
Neil: I had nothing there; know many who did though. And ID etc.
Neil: ;;bc,stats
cazalla: I am worried about ID, I cancelled/deleted my account which after 90 days they said they purge details but I fucking doubt it
gribble: Current Blocks: 290192 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4213254524.19 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.41823
Neil: I doubt they deleted anything
cazalla: I think you are right
Neil: Some of my old transactions could be found on that web page that was put up, but some weren't there either. Very odd.
Neil: Karpeles seems to have been a complete fuckwit who just didn't take anything seriously; least of all other people's money. Assuming there wasn't fraud.
btcinmypocket: Neil: Well, that data was provided by someone(s) who had the lack of ethics to include bitcoin stealing trojans in with the publication, so I don't doubt you have finding problem with the records. I would expect that they would mess with a bit if there is incentive.
Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary.
Neil: Confirmed total: 12,479 BTC on bitbet's site. I'm well over 5% of that.
cazalla: what's your track record like
cazalla: did you bet on kuka? (how disappointing)
Neil: Was doing very well until Gox 1Mar and the (inconsistent IMO) decision that was made on SDICE (where market cap was zero but share price was above XX). But whatever. Still above water, but only just.
Neil: Lots of small wins; 2 big losses.
kakobrekla: i think the biggest roller is 10%
Neil: Single address?
Neil: I lowballed :)
kakobrekla: correct
Neil: My history is over 10%
Neil: But I don't use 1 address
kakobrekla: i should buy you a drink then!
Neil: Wouldn't say no if we happen to meet one day :)
cazalla: speaking of drink
cazalla: i learned that i shouldn't try to chug champagne from the bottle
cazalla: blow fish face but i was desperate to drink, nothing in the house but this crap
cazalla: if i was sober, i'd shut up and read more logs
cazalla: but loose lips sink ships
cazalla: i can't remember the article but it mentioned idiots who happened across bitcoin and made some money
cazalla: that'd be me lol
Neil: Well if it hits $5k I'm retiring.
Neil: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 290195 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 108 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 48 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
cazalla: likewise
Neil: Wooh! A winner
cazalla: 5k would allow me to buy a nice acreage, lambo but more importantly, fuck some of the wifes friends with insane display of wealth
cazalla: i could fuck them now but she'd leave me
cazalla: or maybe she will leave me later and like most fools, easy come, easy go
Neil: If it gets to $5k I imagine it'd be possible to spend most places; no need for fiat any more. Certainly given a year or two at that level.
Neil: Look forward to Yellen justifying her Ponzi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44373 @ 0.00085906 = 38.1191 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00085805 = 17.5471 BTC [-]
C01DA51CE: morning gents
kakobrekla: hi
C01DA51CE: what kind of name is
C01DA51CE: kakobrekla
kakobrekla: the honest kind
C01DA51CE: i see.
C01DA51CE: my names the cool kind
C01DA51CE: im 1337 hax0rer
cazalla: cool as in zerocool?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 42 @ 0.00267704 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {6}
C01DA51CE: yeah
C01DA51CE: im hacking the gibson
C01DA51CE: as we speak
cazalla: find that bitcoin the garbage file?
cazalla: in*
C01DA51CE: i found some dirty porn
C01DA51CE: i think it was of kakobreklas sister
C01DA51CE: or his dog
C01DA51CE: hard to tell the two apart.
kakobrekla: i dont have either so you must be stoned.
C01DA51CE: yes.
C01DA51CE: what do you think of the bitcoinshop.us
C01DA51CE: the next amazon?
cazalla: oh for sure
kakobrekla: i thought you gonna carry on with the insults
cazalla: *snicker*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1121 @ 0.00015001 = 0.1682 BTC [-] {5}
C01DA51CE: no im done ;p
C01DA51CE: on to my next target.
kakobrekla: I AM DISAPPOINT
C01DA51CE: ;(
C01DA51CE: I are try again soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00389975 = 0.39 BTC [-]
cazalla: imagine taking a haircut from the cypriot government
cazalla: and then NEOBEO comes and takes the remaining 90%
C01DA51CE: i have no idea
C01DA51CE: what you just said.
cazalla: yeah, i am drunk and really should go to bed
C01DA51CE: what time is it there?
cazalla: channel is so quiet during my nights
cazalla: 12:30am
KRS1: time zone?
cazalla: +10
cazalla: down under
C01DA51CE: hrm
C01DA51CE: why do they call NZ
C01DA51CE: kiwis?
KRS1: i am +5 and after midnight bitcoin chans here are dead
cazalla: NZ is down under as well
C01DA51CE: do they grow lots of kiwis there?
cazalla: the fruit or the bird?
KRS1: yes i dont like them
C01DA51CE: how dont you like kiwis
KRS1: too tart
cazalla: kiwi fruit or the bird?
C01DA51CE: have you ever had one fresh off the vine?
cazalla: ok the fruit
KRS1: fruit
cazalla: kiwis are yum
KRS1: only from the store
cazalla: the fruit has nothing to do with NZ btw
C01DA51CE: store kiwis suck u have to have a back yard kiwi
C01DA51CE: yeah its the country bird
C01DA51CE: im aware ;p
KRS1: ill have to remember that..but they also have hair on them as if the hairs are whiskers from a 3 day shaven sailor.
cazalla: you can eat the skin and all
cazalla: good stuff
C01DA51CE: yeah i wouldnt eat the skin but
C01DA51CE: id peel that
cazalla: no, eat it
C01DA51CE: unless you like munching on
C01DA51CE: a harry beavy
C01DA51CE: beaver
KRS1: yesss
C01DA51CE: which some may enjoy.
cazalla: same deal as mangoes
cazalla: the skin is the best part
KRS1: i dont like the mango skin..and they grow like mad here
cazalla: it's good for you and saves cutting it up
C01DA51CE: hrm
C01DA51CE: where do ulive
C01DA51CE: mangos grow wild?
cazalla: queensland?
C01DA51CE: o
C01DA51CE: its tropical there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00600096 = 0.4801 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40745 @ 0.00085872 = 34.9885 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56397 @ 0.00085654 = 48.3063 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0y6izKybL1r600zvo1_500.jpg
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzx926eUGZ1r61ps7o1_500.jpg
C01DA51CE: wow
C01DA51CE: that 2nd girl
C01DA51CE: Is redic
KRS1: you bet
KRS1: .diff
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 91 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.7103% in 0d 13h 28m 27s
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4227111624.54 based on data since last change | 4466857657.25 based on data for last three days
KRS1: a friend of mine is selling 2 x BFL 60 ghash miners and 2 jalapenos if anyone is interested
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15921 @ 0.00086085 = 13.7056 BTC [+]
C01DA51CE: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzyridAhVW1r76ywbo1_400.jpg
C01DA51CE: well that certainly
C01DA51CE: is quite interesting
C01DA51CE: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10dh4ZO3g1qiqa2no1_1280.jpg
C01DA51CE: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wms7C2RI1rp8c9ao1_500.jpg
C01DA51CE: http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb3663c240b2f17c095fd89524c2d9b7/tumblr_mrneznnbM01rttnhxo1_500.jpg
C01DA51CE: lol
C01DA51CE: so true
C01DA51CE: what a bunch of whores these girls are now
KRS1: ya aint it great
C01DA51CE: i guess
C01DA51CE: if ur not
C01DA51CE: married with children
KRS1: bachelor life for me
KRS1: sux fo ryou
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c he has good points on the topic. then people wonder why he wasn't ever a topic of study by acaemia. which academia, the one that subsits on ex hedge fund manager alumni bequests ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the20year you can end up with a tv show on top of everything, maybe put a little effort into it, curate a youtube channel, do some blogwork/outreach
mircea_popescu: people love the sort of shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Chris_Sabian i wouldn't be too worried about it. 2013 made bitcoin, it's a cut deal.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.00389975 = 1.3064 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary. << how much is that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00614863 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086085 = 14.204 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/02/25/waltham-murders-boston-marathon/
ozbot: The Murders Before the Marathon
jcpham: mircea_popescu it's over 9000 I just checked
mircea_popescu: lol ok
ThickAsThieves: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/
ozbot: How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept
ThickAsThieves: "An implant plug-in named CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE, for example, is used to take over a targeted computer’s microphone and record conversations taking place near the device. Another, GUMFISH, can covertly take over a computer’s webcam and snap photographs. FOGGYBOTTOM records logs of Internet browsing histories and collects login details and passwords used to access websites and email
ThickAsThieves: accounts. GROK is used to log keystrokes. And SALVAGERABBIT exfiltrates data from removable flash drives that connect to an infected computer."
ThickAsThieves: https://prod01-cdn03.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/2014/03/selectors-1024x768.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00627804 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: .d
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.8910% in 0d 11h 56m 42s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00628292 = 0.1194 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4233978876.69 based on data since last change | 4459038639.54 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33848 @ 0.0008602 = 29.116 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 290222 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 81 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 14 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4233978876.69 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.96136
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 88 @ 0.00629001 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: mircea_popescu: More than I thought... I keep a record of it all
Neil: "BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 6.00000000 BTC on No" << wow, that's almost reckless
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/ < the famous 1k4fs is like 1.2k
ThickAsThieves: reckless how so?
Neil: Little upside lot of downside. Just IMO.
ThickAsThieves: looks safe to me
Neil: Fair enough :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
Neil: When do you think we'll have a full difficulty period where sum(fees)>sum(new coins)? 6.25 BTC or 3.125 BTC or later?
Neil: We'd definitely need the block size limit substantially raised or removed, but that's gonna have to happen in the next 18 mths anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00390393 = 0.2108 BTC [+] {2}
Neil: ;;prevdiffchange
gribble: 21.92473
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37036 @ 0.00085735 = 31.7528 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;reward
gribble: Error: "reward" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: Neil 2016.
mircea_popescu: and no, larger block size lowers fees.
mircea_popescu: block size is good as is, 1mb.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04233333 = 0.127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.0008552 = 35.0632 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: ThickAsThieves: Didn't realize it was your bet :)#
Neil: mircea_popescu: No way in 2016... I don't see blocks with 12.5 BTC fees, and certainly not at 1MB
mircea_popescu: explain how you reason /
Neil: Well I believe the block size will increase. But also with say ~1k txns per 1MB block, I don't see people paying an average fee of 0.0013 BTC. Especially as I expect BTC to be significantly higher than today.
artifexd: 1meg block allows for (ideally) 5000 transactions (at 200 bytes/tx). To get 12.5 btc in fees, each transaction will have to pay .0025 btc in fees. Them thar are some hefty fees.
San1ty-Work: What's the general consensus here on AM and their Gen 3 chips?
VanCleef: risky
Neil: artifexd: The occasional 900 KB blocks rarely go over 1200 txns
mircea_popescu: Neil so you believe the block size will increase. why ?
Neil: It's the right thing to do.
mircea_popescu: how do you know this ?
artifexd: Niel hence "ideally"
Neil: I don't know, it's my belief.
mircea_popescu: well then here's the caper : it's beyond fucking stupid.
Neil: Can't argue with that.
mircea_popescu: there are two good reasons not to increase it. one is that the larger the block, the more expensive its securing
San1ty-Work: VanCleef: I heard some rumors that they are planning to deploy 1600 PH
mircea_popescu: currently blocks are secured through the process of mining. the hash count per block is a rough proxy for its cryptographical security.
mircea_popescu: a doubling of the block size roughly quadruples the hash needed for equal security.
Neil: These things should be chosen by the market, just like fees. I doubt we'll get blocks much bigger than 1MB for a long time to come, even if there weren't a limit now.
mircea_popescu: cryptography aside, there is the economic problem, : the only way to extract rents is rarity.
mircea_popescu: if there are 1k slots and 10k txns vieing for a slot, you may see high fees
mircea_popescu: if there are 10k slots made just as soon as there's 10k txns looking for a slot, you'll not see any fees.
Neil: mircea_popescu: It'd be the end of bitbet with fees that high.
mircea_popescu: the idea is for this system to be self sufficient, and in this sense there must always be a rarity of txn slots in blocks with regard to txns
mircea_popescu: current;y this is not satisfied.
Neil: It'll sort itself out.
mircea_popescu: and no, it is not valid to pretend "block size should be set by the market", because of the problem known as the disaster of commons
mircea_popescu: to wit, people have an incentive to mine large blocks fopr the direct payout
Neil: Not at all, or they'd have been doing it for the last year.
mircea_popescu: but the securing of the chain is an expense external to them and easily externalisable
Neil: Pools are afraid of orphans, and that's the way it should be.
mircea_popescu: how is this germane to what we're discussing.
mircea_popescu: as to the side point : bitbet avg bet is over 1 btc.
mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem.
Neil: Well, we'll get to see!
mircea_popescu: this entire accessiblity of bitcoin angle is overplayed.
mircea_popescu: buffett explains quite eminently why he doesn't want an accessibility of his stock in material linked yest
mircea_popescu: generally speaking opening any one good thing to more people shittifies it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0062964 = 0.1007 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: let the people raise themselves up to it, rather than having it lowered to their present convenience.
mircea_popescu: and let them learn to pay for service.
artifexd: mircea_popescu how does doubling the block size quadruple the work needed to get equal security? If a certain lock on a certain box provides XX amount of security, how does increasing the size of the box make the lock worth less?
mircea_popescu: artifexd your lock metaphore is broken. the block size is the length of a square strip of material
mircea_popescu: the safety is the thickness of the square surface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentally what hashing does : it turns the problem of "cut this thread" into "cut this surface"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0411 = 0.2055 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00085472 = 22.7783 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I'm fairly well versed in block/transaction/hash/etc mechanics and I am trying to wrap your metaphore around that structure. It doesn't make sense. I normally have a high amount of respect for what you say. In this case though, I think you're wrong. Or, I don't understand the variety and thus need more lurking.
mircea_popescu: well, where's it broken ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
artifexd: This will take a bit to type. Patience.
mircea_popescu: that i have.
chetty: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-exchange-for-high-frequency-traders-is-launched-2014-03-12?dist=lcountdown
ozbot: Bitcoin exchange for high-frequency traders is launched - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch
artifexd: Solidifying a group of tx into a block doesn't provide security in the same sense that 100 twigs in a bundle are stronger than 100 twigs seperately. It provide security in providing a stable time reference for when tx happened. Completely different domains.
artifexd: Typing more....
artifexd: Making that reference harder to forge is where the security comes from. How much happens in between each reference point has no bearing on how vulnerable or reproducable each reference point is.
artifexd: Does that make sense?
mircea_popescu: we'll have to work at this. suppose your hash function is defined as the first character of the md5.
artifexd: ok
mircea_popescu: sec mining.
artifexd: If we assume that md5 is a "good" hash function, then how much data you put into it doesn't have any bearing on what you get out of it. Thus the first character remains, essentially, random regardless of whether the input is 200 bytes or 200 megabytes.
mircea_popescu: h(Women are not people.) = h(Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots)
mircea_popescu: now, inasmuch as your blockhash is 3, how do you know the actual block (Women are not people.) is what hapepned
mircea_popescu: should i claim thje actual block really was "Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots" ?
artifexd: Just as much as you could claim it is mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: but mircea_popescu is shorter than the original block.
artifexd: ok...
mircea_popescu: in other words : the larger the block is, the easier for a collision to be found
mircea_popescu: this ease is not linear.
artifexd: I don't argue with what your saying. I would instead say that this particular manner of attack would be monumentally stupid in the case of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: why ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.0459 = 0.5967 BTC [+]
artifexd: Because when the hash of a block is "discovered" the contents of that block are spread around the world. An attacker would have to not only find a collection of valid transactions and a sundry other pieces of data that collide with the exact same hash but also convince someone else that the replacement was the actual block.
artifexd: You are essentially looking at an attack that is by definition maximum difficulty.
mircea_popescu: but an attacker with a lot of hash power could create two such blocks and then swap them in and out to create dead txn
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why the hash power and the block size interact to create the chain cryptographical security
mircea_popescu: they just don't interact linearly.
artifexd: If the hash was one letter, sure. 256 bits? "A lot" is being conservative.
mircea_popescu: my point is that expanding the block size is not unlike shortening the hash length.
mircea_popescu: an infinite block size is worse than the "1st char of the md5" hash scheme i just proposed.
artifexd: However, your point that limiting the maximum length in order to limit the possible collisions is irrelevant as well because there is already a specific place for you to twiddle that will have the exact result you would want. The nonce/timestamp.
artifexd: Your point is technically true, but practically worthless.
mircea_popescu: how you reason ?
artifexd: Because you still have to find the birthday collision. Why would an attacker try to create a block 1 gigabyte long (which still has to be valid) in order to clash with a block 1 megabyte long?
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, i'm not arguing that this would be a particular venue of attack, i am merely showing how my thread length/surface metaphore is much better than your lock/lockbox metaphor)
mircea_popescu: artifexd perhaps because it's the only one that satisfies some other criteria we don't know about.
artifexd: I have a prior engagement that I have to attend to. I will think on this.
benkay: training: http://imgur.com/xi9CLxg
artifexd: Also, for the record, I think that increasing the block size right now is a dumb idea, not necessary and counter-productive to the desired result.
mircea_popescu: benkay you take "bitches" quite literally huh.
benkay: i guess it's hard to see his penis in that photo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17379 @ 0.00085854 = 14.9206 BTC [+]
KRS1: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/c455620f7f4974fb00eac35cb7d839ff/tumblr_mtzytkDLTj1rwn2euo1_1280.jpg
KRS1 kicks ozbot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6001 BTC [-]
KRS1: what do you know, there's faggot dog porn: http://doggay.net/
KRS1: There ya go if you are looking for the red rocket.
KRS1: who knew there were gay dogs..i kind of wondered since I once saw a boy dog trying to hump another boy dog.
jcpham: gay dogs porn was something i didn't entirely want to see today
HeySteve: shouldn't have joined #dogecoin then
benkay: "gay" is a human thing, KRS1.
jcpham: uright
jcpham: not sure dogs can be "gay"
chetty: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/woman-marries-pet-dog-amanda-rodgers-sheba-british-divorcee-croatia/1/347611.html
ozbot: Dismayed by men, 47-year-old UK woman 'marries' pet dog : Europe, News - India Today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4050 @ 0.00015002 = 0.6076 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 339 @ 0.00389975 = 1.322 BTC [-]
benkay: trough of disillusionment? trough of disillusionment.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.59000075 = 9.44 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00591095 = 0.7684 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: It seems your dog can indeed be gay..
KRS1: http://www.examiner.com/article/can-a-dog-be-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual-new-test-says-yes
ozbot: Can a dog be gay, lesbian or bisexual? New test says yes - Chicago animal welfare | Examiner.com
KRS1: Crazy.
benkay: "examiner"
benkay: nope.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59 = 4.13 BTC [-]
KRS1: It seems there's a whole subculture of queer K9's.. http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003456755/35567200_rainbow_condom_dog20gay_xlarge.jpeg
KRS1: I knew it..there was like this dog once who always walked kind of sideways...ever since I first saw it I kind of wondered.
KRS1: And some even cross their legs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00590058 = 1.6227 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8707829.stm
asciilifeform: 'As Mr Mullick demonstrated how to tie a "good noose" around a neck for the cameras, half a dozen children around Bengal imitated his moves and accidentally strangled friends and relatives.' << lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7468 @ 0.00014504 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0039853 = 0.9963 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/12/bitcoin-isnt-a-currency-cant-replace-gold-goldman-sachs/
ozbot: Bitcoin Isn’t a Currency, Can’t Replace Gold: Goldman Sachs - MoneyBeat - WSJ
mircea_popescu: KRS1 there's no such thing as gay dogs. dogs, much like people, will fuck other male dogs if no female dogs are available.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0408 = 0.1224 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ' If a ledger-based technology is to succeed, the cyber-currency would very likely have to have some type of fixed exchange rate in order to overcome this obstacle.' << wtf ?
ThickAsThieves: the wsj link inexplicably has a pic of dorian
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves starting to get a little pannicky, are they :D
ThickAsThieves: indeed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first they lol, then they fight,
mircea_popescu: then mp fucks their skulls and pisses in their eye sockets
mike_c: no, first they ignore
mike_c: then they lol, etc.
mircea_popescu: aok
mike_c: then the eye socket thing
ThickAsThieves: they spell out their own doom without realizing it, as usual
ThickAsThieves: "With millenniums of history behind it as a hedge against debasement, the key to gold’s success is the stability and predictability of its demand."
asciilifeform: these folks are still puzzling over the question of how to fill a brick of btc with tungsten.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.005911 = 0.1064 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: maybe they have, NYC BTC exchange inevitable...
ThickAsThieves: what are the odds itll be blockahain transparent?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005911 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5107 @ 0.0001407 = 0.7186 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: purt darn near zero
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099793 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: in other news, tea party runs off with seat in always-democrat constituency
thestringpuller: lolol bitcoins filled with tungsten
thestringpuller: asciilifeform i'ma start using that one
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nil. what are the odds it'll be ok'd ?
mircea_popescu: remember, this is bitcoin. the powers that are can tear the powers that wannabe a new one quite easily
mircea_popescu: as the sore holes of mtgox, the foundation, etc etc scattered all over the forum neatly attest.
mircea_popescu: keiser with his tv hordes is still smarting and so on.
jcpham: fill all bitcoin bars with tungsten immediately
jcpham: we''ll be rreech
mircea_popescu: people seriously think Judy Collins was hawt at any point ?!
C01DA51CE: who?
C01DA51CE: http://i.imgur.com/w4PCJ9I.jpg
C01DA51CE: those are pretty hot
C01DA51CE: judy collins has looked like she had facial surgery but she
C01DA51CE: never did
ThickAsThieves: nah, not hot: http://www.biography.com/people/judy-collins-16243150
ThickAsThieves: looks a bit like an exmale
mircea_popescu: i agree.
mircea_popescu: people seem to have this strange aesthetic amnesia when discussing faux 1960s "famous" tarts.
mircea_popescu: a la baez and whatnot.
asciilifeform: http://www.securelist.com/en/advisories/57325 << loltron
ozbot: Microsoft Windows DirectShow JPEG Images Parsing Memory Corruption Vulnerability - Securelist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085829 = 21.071 BTC [-]
benkay: coooooool
mircea_popescu: lmao
joecool: too bad didn't come out after april 15th
mircea_popescu: why april 15th ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i find it hard to believe that a JPG exploit can exist by mistake...
mircea_popescu: in windows ?
mircea_popescu: the entire codestack exists by mistake
ThickAsThieves: yes
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if a man can shoot himself in the back of the head three times by mistake, then why not this.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: got me there!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's easy asciilifeform just use a mirror.
asciilifeform: view lolcat, get pwnd.
mircea_popescu: pwndcat
asciilifeform: or .bait.
mircea_popescu: did anyone put this on reddit or we've not told them yet
asciilifeform: damned if i know. it's been out for days. 'spent'.
ThickAsThieves: it was on theverge or something popular
C01DA51CE: i think its only through DirectShow
ThickAsThieves: ^
C01DA51CE: dont know who which apps use this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0459 = 0.3213 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont think viewing JPG in web browser is susceptible
ThickAsThieves: where most people view them
C01DA51CE: i heard skype
C01DA51CE: is vuln
ThickAsThieves: although dunno if IE uses Directshow
ThickAsThieves: well we know Skype is NSAized
mircea_popescu: "DirectShow (sometimes abbreviated as DS or DShow), codename Quartz, is a multimedia framework and API produced by Microsoft for software developers to perform various operations with media files or streams. It is the replacement for Microsoft's earlier Video for Windows technology."
ThickAsThieves: hmm i recall something else about quartz at some point
mircea_popescu: basically this was activex v2
ThickAsThieves: maybe with Apple?
mike_c: directshow is part of DirectX, their opengl thingie.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2}
C01DA51CE: sounds like
C01DA51CE: a porno
mircea_popescu: mike_c nah, wasn't part of directx back in like... a decade ago at least
mike_c: yeah it was, i used it.
mike_c: over a decade ago :)
mircea_popescu: basically, the dev in charge of directx didn't want the shit in there anymore
mircea_popescu: so they moved it
mike_c: "Previous versions of the DirectShow SDK were included in the DirectX SDK. ", yeah, they took it out in 2005
mircea_popescu: aok
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bjpenn.com/grappler-vomits-submits-after-opponent-farts-in-his-face/
ozbot: Grappler Vomits & Submits After Opponent Farts In His Face UFC News | MMA News - BJPENN.COM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00086006 = 15.3521 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: haha " After this version, DirectShow was moved to the Windows SDK". the windows devs didn't mind having it in their pile of crap
mircea_popescu: well... directx was a pretty decent package.
mircea_popescu: at least even with random crap like say ubuntu
ThickAsThieves: used heavily in games, no?
mircea_popescu: windows however...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00086054 = 9.1648 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, for a good two decades that pillar held. technical excellence in directx + marketing excellence in ms hq ensured market domination for windows
asciilifeform: a bit of an oversimplification
asciilifeform: ignores master touches like conniving with intel to stab os/2 in the back, etc.
mircea_popescu: sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00623 = 0.1246 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ThickAsThieves: what btc venue would you recommend for sports betting
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt recommend sports betting
ThickAsThieves: sooo
Mats_cd03: so dongs
mircea_popescu: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4224066657.81 based on data since last change | 4501944129.48 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April
mircea_popescu: tight huh
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/443779660002754562/photo/1
ozbot: Twitter / tuurdemeester: Goldman Sachs drops the bomb: ...
ThickAsThieves: not really sure what that is
ThickAsThieves: i guess there's a GS report on BTC?
asciilifeform: tuurdemeester - is that something like a burgomeister, but...? ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226
ThickAsThieves: btc beats WU
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they paid for a wsj piece to explain how bitcoin isn't as good as gold.
mircea_popescu: imagine that :D
jcpham: here's your new forum: https://bitcointa.lk/pages/features/
benkay: the point of bitcointalk.org being the information asymmetry, though.
ThickAsThieves: jcpham, i dont get it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few u.s. folks know 'the dirt' re: 'the boston tea party.' it isn't exactly a national secret.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask teenaged girls sometime.
joecool: asciilifeform: are you a contributor to buzzfeed?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps i should also ask them, next, the best way to avoid write-hazards on MIPS4.
asciilifeform: joecool: wtf is buzzfeed
asciilifeform: let me guess - aggregator for dope aficionados?
joecool: "top 15 things most americans don't know about the tea party"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00623003 = 0.3177 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: that sort of headline
asciilifeform: someone must tell Tuurdemeester about Expertsexchange.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but suzanne was 19ish
mircea_popescu: inconvenient as it may be, girls aged 16 to 19ish are the country.
asciilifeform: 'buzzfeed' - the bus bars which supply current to an electric chair?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 167 @ 0.0059 = 0.9853 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: re previous twitter link, i thought he was trolling with his name, but then i checked www.tuurdemeester.com/subscribe/ and i see its fuckin real. fuckin unreal.
kakobrekla: am i the only one that thinks 'turd master' ?
benkay: nope.jpg
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#556748 ☝︎
dub: no worse than cockburn
kakobrekla: burgomeister?
kakobrekla: and apparently i missed your line previously.
asciilifeform: ;;google burgomeister
gribble: The Burgomeister's Demesne: <http://www.burgomeister.org/>; burgomeister.org • Index page: <http://www.burgomeister.org/forum/>; Burgomaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgomaster>
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if i actually learned english, or was cheated and given something vaguely compatible
asciilifeform: like pcdos vs. msdos
kakobrekla: its closer to turd master, by the cover and by the content
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nope, not the only one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english is a slut like that.
kakobrekla: good, cause for a second there i thought i was psychotic or something
dub: dat moment when
asciilifeform: names are working parts. even matsushita finally changed its name.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [-]
dub: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Faggoter-1
ozbot: Mary Faggoter 1696 - Seeking Genealogy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]
KRS1: lol wut
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06999999 = 2.24 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5821 = 4.0747 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/4316.jpg
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KRS1: I hate Wal Mart, but people of Wal Mart website is such fun.
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mircea_popescu: i've never been
mircea_popescu: but it's basically just a supermarket neh ?
benkay: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/62880/caption-contest-22/
ozbot: Caption Contest - People Of Walmart
benkay: *the* supermarket.
KRS1: its...an experience. Its so big its ridiculous and you can't find help. The one where I live sells everything from sardines to tires.
asciilifeform: i went once, in >2 decades. it was a warehouse full of el-cheapo.
asciilifeform: there are many similar shops
KRS1: They actually have some decent goods.
KRS1: When you go to leave, the checkouts make a beeping sound. When multiplied by 20+ checkout lanes the sound is deafening. The people are low class and aren't afraid to show it.
benkay: http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6012.jpg
KRS1: The one where I live is also 24 hours. Its strange.
KRS1: In case you need like...a hammer, new underwear and a lamp at 4AM.
kakobrekla: i actually like the 24 hourness in general
benkay: i found mircea_popescu: http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6002.jpg
KRS1: kakobrekla: i agree, late/odd hours are the only time I'll go, if I ever do go. The daytime is just so crazy.
KRS1: LOL benkay
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mircea_popescu: lol my beard is much thicker than that shit
dub: just a supermarket and the biggest company in th eworld by a couple of metrics
ThickAsThieves: i considered taking advantage of this Target Credit Monitoring thing
ThickAsThieves: but the whole thing feels like a scam itself
ThickAsThieves: authorization codes and Experian logos
ThickAsThieves: feels much more like a promotion that will get me more spam for years to come
ThickAsThieves: this fucking world...
benkay: take out all the fiat loans you can
benkay: pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough.
benkay: or just bail on the US.
ThickAsThieves: i'd have to leave my wife to do so
dub: bonus?
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: some days!
dub: is she permanently affixed to .us?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: leo szilard supposedly said 'wisdom consist in getting on the train a day before everybody else.'
ThickAsThieves: i know ascii i know
ThickAsThieves: she just got a great job here
ThickAsThieves: one she's wanted for a long time
asciilifeform: this place would probably empty out overnight if everybody had work elsewhere.
benkay: DC in particular?
asciilifeform: usa
ThickAsThieves: it's already happening
benkay: i don't think there's enough 'work' to absorb all the meat that would need to emigrate to empty out the usa.
ThickAsThieves: americans dont wanna work anyway
ThickAsThieves: immigrants do all the work
asciilifeform: maybe poor choice of words. 'employment' rather than 'work'
ThickAsThieves: maybe
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: its not that americans dont want to work
dub: its not like we're talking about actual work
benkay: are there other socialist regimes with the printing presses to employ such volumes of cattle, asciilifeform?
Diablo-D3: its just that americans have been brainwashed by the government to have a skewed view of what work is
dub: just distraction for the cattle class
Diablo-D3: like, they think going to college means something
dub: give them vidya games
asciilifeform: benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade.
Diablo-D3: protip: it doesnt, and you will not get a job because you went there
benkay: Diablo-D3: are you 'degreed'?
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage
Diablo-D3: benkay: I refuse to hold one.
benkay: did you ever attend one of the 'colleges'?
Diablo-D3: benkay: degrees are a downright scam for the industry Im in
blackwhite: So I have a question for all you experts. Imagine a bitcoin like protocol that allow you to embed digital assets or watermark certain digital assets. You could in theory imagine everything from digital pokemon cards to creative commons licenses as unique "scarce" resources.
benkay: or straight up reject the whole prop. right out of HS?
blackwhite: Thoughts?
Diablo-D3: benkay: rejected the whole thing from the get go.
Diablo-D3: benkay: I didnt even take high school seriously.
Diablo-D3: it was 4 years of attempted brainwashing that I successfully resisted
benkay: public school?
Diablo-D3: yes
benkay: blackwhite: sounds colored coins etc
ThickAsThieves: <Diablo-D3> ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage/// i dont consider this a problem
benkay: ;;google trilema colored coins
gribble: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/>; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-dork-of-the-month-award>; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/women-behind-bars>
benkay: blackwhite: read ^^
asciilifeform: most of the people i know with actual degrees - yours truly included - (sci/eng.) had, at the time of signing up, delusions of employment in academia
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I consider it a problem. Americans are turned down for jobs because of companies acting illegally.
ThickAsThieves: i'd rather commiserate with Mexicans than the people that complain about them
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: Im not blaming the mexcians
benkay: Americans are turned down from jobs because the communist government imposes artificial wage constraints.
Diablo-D3: they have a pretty sweet deal
asciilifeform: Diablo-D3: i have yet to run into an american who lamented 'i'd like to find work picking tomatoes, but couldn't on account of mexicans'
Diablo-D3: they get to get out of that shithole homeland of theirs and get paid a shitload of money by their standards
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: because you'll never find a job listing for that.
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, then you must have never been to a border state
dub: lol
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: all the big agriculture farms go out and find mexicans to work there and illegally bring them into the country
blackwhite: You won't find a listing for that because no one want to take it unless they are mexicans. It's more or less the same problem around the world
blackwhite: immigrants take the shitty jobs
Diablo-D3: blackwhite: there are people in america that will take any job
Diablo-D3: there are people who have applied to 1000 different jobs and were turned down
asciilifeform: we have tighter 'caste stratification' here than in victorian england. an engineer, programmer, even lowly clerk, might live a whole life without speaking to these folks.
blackwhite: not enough and not for what they will be paid
Diablo-D3: they're turned down for insane reasons
Diablo-D3: "oh, you have a degree, we dont want you"
benkay: no, that's a good reason.
Diablo-D3: "oh, you're too old" (30s is too old? wow)
Diablo-D3: "oh, we need a minority"
benkay: also a good reason.
Diablo-D3: "oh, we need a woman"
ThickAsThieves: wtf is this with "good reason"
Diablo-D3: its a fucking job at mcdonalds you fucks
Diablo-D3: anyone can work it
benkay: gotta be young
dub: thats cause telling them they are too fat is discrimination
ThickAsThieves: they don't need a good reason in the losing party's estimation
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benkay: and cheap
Diablo-D3: dub: and that doesnt even make sense
Diablo-D3: one third of america is too fat
benkay: and instructable.
benkay: american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs.
Diablo-D3: benkay: yeah, they're fucked
asciilifeform: incidentally, even a 100% proper science/maths/etc degree can be a liability, as you'll only be considered for the higher paygrades (naturally tighter musical chairs)
Diablo-D3: I feel sorry for them
benkay: "but my feminism is insulted every day in this gig!"
ThickAsThieves: i never hired a college graduate
blackwhite: Diablo-D3 they are too fat because they eat shit food. They might as well die of starvation because they sure will die from obesity
ThickAsThieves: they are broken
Diablo-D3: they were brainwashed into thinking untruths by the governemt
Diablo-D3: blackwhite: yes, and the sooner we burn the wheat and corn crops the better
blackwhite: ahh I see we got a ancapper in the house :)
Diablo-D3: wheat, corn, sugar cain, all highly toxic drugs that should be on the schedule I list
ThickAsThieves: actually i probably did hire some, i wouldnt remember because i wouldnt have cared
benkay: asciilifeform: i've seen *that* up close and personally.
Diablo-D3: treat those fucks like the terrorists they are
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ThickAsThieves: diablo-d3 always bringing it back to paleo
ThickAsThieves: ...
Diablo-D3: hey, if we're going to talk about fat people, bringing up the cure is fair game
Diablo-D3: the government loves to brainwash people
ThickAsThieves: paleo is no cure
ThickAsThieves: fuck outta he
ThickAsThieves: a
Diablo-D3: it tells kids in high school "get a degree at any cost no matter what, otherwise you'll never get a job"
asciilifeform: 'a hunchback is cured by the grave.' (rus. proverb)
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asciilifeform: s/cured/straightened
Diablo-D3: it tells fat people "dont eat meat, dont eat fat, dont eat cholesterol, eat wheat and corn and other "vegetables" like them" and people keep getting fatter on that insane advice
Diablo-D3: you can run ten thousand miles and never get skinny, you can eat the FDA recommended diet and never get skinny
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: you are fucking insane
ThickAsThieves: people arent fat cuz wheat
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I went from 340 to 210
ThickAsThieves: so
Diablo-D3: by following a strict paleo diet
Diablo-D3: I have all the proof I need to know I'm right. I'm living proof.
ThickAsThieves: go for a run 3 times a week for same result
Diablo-D3: nope
Diablo-D3: and fat people shouldnt run
ThickAsThieves: go whole foods for same result
Diablo-D3: thats a good way to getting a heart attack
ThickAsThieves: baby steps
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: the thing is, I lost this weight without increased exercise.
ThickAsThieves: lol
Diablo-D3: so that blows your theory out of the water
ThickAsThieves: and that's a good thing?
Diablo-D3: my body finally regulating itself? thats a GREAT thing
ThickAsThieves: look man, go write a fucking book or do a documentary
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: why do you hate America?
Diablo-D3: seriously
dub: whats to like?
benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b
ThickAsThieves: just cuz you found an angle doesnt make it the divine answer to all things
Diablo-D3: all you do is bitch when I bring up the fact obesity has been cured.
benkay: Diablo-D3's clearly all the way in column a.
dub: Diablo-D3 is clearly a crackhead
Diablo-D3: The FDA can no longer brainwash america.
dub: this is old news
ThickAsThieves: people have been curing obesity 100 times over
Diablo-D3: Their reign of terror is over.
ThickAsThieves: yet it exists
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: you sound fat.
ThickAsThieves: haha
ThickAsThieves: certainly not in the sense you imagine
ThickAsThieves: i attribute any overweight lbs to sitting in this chair too much
ThickAsThieves: nothing more
Diablo-D3: I attribute it to government interference in the natural diet of humans.
ThickAsThieves: dude i'm vegan
Diablo-D3: Thats even worse
Diablo-D3: no wonder you're sick
Diablo-D3: eat meat
ThickAsThieves: will it make me like you?
benkay: Diablo-D3: what's your macro ratio?
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Diablo-D3: benkay: is there a web calculator for that somewhere?
benkay: uh
benkay: you should be able to estimate.
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benkay: take like 15 minutes
ThickAsThieves: he's not even arguing about ratios though
Diablo-D3: benkay: well like, is it based on what I eat?
ThickAsThieves: he's arguing types of protein, etc
benkay: do you do nutritional suppositories?!
benkay: of course the stuff that goes in your face
Diablo-D3: benkay: No I mean, is that the only part of the calculation?
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benkay: i'd assume - do you have other input sources to consider?
Diablo-D3: benkay: because like, I have quite little carb intake
ThickAsThieves: i think maybe a common ground here might be, we can all agree that the processed a food is, and the more unnatural chemicals make it up or are used to create it, the worse the food is
Diablo-D3: benkay: its mostly protein and fat
ThickAsThieves: the more processed*
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yes, but grains and sugars only exist in processed form
ThickAsThieves: my apple is processed?
ThickAsThieves: i also didnt say all processing is bad
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: eating natural fruit is about the only source of sugars pretty much
benkay: i'm okay with babe-baked breads. in moderation.
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Diablo-D3: so lets find out how many grams of various things I ate today
dub: is unnatural fruit a thing?
Diablo-D3: dub: yeah, sadly
ThickAsThieves: was gonna asl
ThickAsThieves: ask*
Diablo-D3: dub: like, sugar loaded applesuaces
benkay: so Diablo-D3 once you drop all the weight via completely cutting out carbs, one can lead a pretty healthy life eating the occasional sugar thing (or beer, or wine), provided you supplement with exercise.
Diablo-D3: sugar loaded dried fruits
Diablo-D3: etc
benkay: not exercising is just as bad as living on carbs.
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Diablo-D3: 113g of this steak is 140 calories, 3.5g of fat, 0 carbs, 26g of protein....
ThickAsThieves: really i think D3 simply cherishes what got him healthy to the point of fanaticism
Diablo-D3: I ate 606 grams of it
benkay: ThickAsThieves: that's kinda what i'm driving at
ThickAsThieves: it's admirable in a way
ThickAsThieves: but annoying as fuck
dub: ThickAsThieves: its the first thing he's ever stuck to for more than a minute
Diablo-D3: so thats 751 calories....
Diablo-D3: 18.7 grams of fat...
benkay: ;;calc 3.5/(26+3.5)
gribble: 0.118644067797
ThickAsThieves: i have been the same way with jogging at times
Diablo-D3: and 139 grams of protein
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ThickAsThieves: i have this 3-year or so cycle where i get 40lbs overweight and pick up jogging again
ThickAsThieves: it's not perfect
ThickAsThieves: but it's my thing
ThickAsThieves: so when people talk about losing weight
ThickAsThieves: i just say
ThickAsThieves: jog!
Diablo-D3: now for the vegs...
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Diablo-D3: 84g (entire bag is 408g, I eat entire bag), 25 calories, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 0 protein
Diablo-D3: 121 calories...
ThickAsThieves: D3 poops like a champion
Diablo-D3: 24g carbs
Diablo-D3: so for total today I ate...
Diablo-D3: 872 calories...
benkay: ;;calc 3.5 * (606/113)
gribble: 18.7699115044
Diablo-D3: 18.7 grams of fat, 24g carbs...
benkay: ;;calc 18.7699115044/(606 + 408)
gribble: 0.0185107608525
Diablo-D3: and 139g of protein
benkay: homie you're cruising for gout
dub: what is a bag of veggies?
Diablo-D3: dub: I get birds eye frozen stir fry shit
Diablo-D3: its actually rather good
dub: you are fuckign retarded dude
Diablo-D3: its hard to find frozen that isnt shit
benkay: Diablo-D3: how old are you?
dub: whats wrong with fresh?
Diablo-D3: benkay: 30
benkay: please get some fat in your diet
Diablo-D3: dub: nothing, it just spoils too quickly and its hard to get stuff grown in america most of the year
Diablo-D3: benkay: 18.7g of fat isnt enough?!
benkay: 18.7/(606+408)
Diablo-D3: benkay: dude, thats like, way above what the FDA brainwashed people to believe is the maximum
benkay: ;;calc 18.7/(606+408)
gribble: 0.0184418145957
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benkay: ah i'm fucking that up
benkay: what's the cal/g fat?
benkay: 9
artifexd_afk: 9
Diablo-D3: 872 calories, 18.7g of fat
benkay: ;;calc 18.7*9/872
gribble: 0.193004587156
benkay: so 20%
benkay: 75% protein is a recipe for gout
mircea_popescu: <benkay> pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. << no actually : take loan, buy bitcoin, give bank the finger.
mircea_popescu: judge can order whatever he wants, the bitcoin he can't touch
mircea_popescu: help bring down the us banking system.
dub: benkay: there are few real rules
benkay: mhm.
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dub: benkay: people are different, the only way to apply any science is test your blood regularly
benkay: heard of a thing called an "operating envelope", dub?
benkay: i have no idea what exactly the dropoff is, but 75% protein for an extended period of time is fukken dangerous.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. << most of those have already left.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe we bet on whether gout or kidney disease happens firstsies?
dub: benkay: according to who?
benkay: *shrug*
benkay: nobody, obviously.
dub: the answer is the answer
Diablo-D3: wikipedia says gout is caused by inflamation
dub: its caused by uric (sp?) acid
ThickAsThieves: :/
mircea_popescu: <benkay> american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. << this.
Diablo-D3: dub: ahh, so THATS what that test is for
asciilifeform: but work they do.
mircea_popescu: whoa shit i can;'t keep uop with you people
mircea_popescu: type slower
asciilifeform: coffee shop in this town is, afaik, 100% uni grads.
pLambert: if your body is burning protein for energy, you will have to get rid of all the nitrogen somehow, which wears out your kidneys
Diablo-D3: pLambert: yes and no
Diablo-D3: pLambert: there is a level where too much protein is bad
asciilifeform: polar explorers, 'pemmican'
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Mats_cd03: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20030317/high-protein-diets-can-hurt-kidneys
ozbot: High-Protein Diets Can Hurt Kidneys
Diablo-D3: but its a lot higher than the FDA would like you to believe
Mats_cd03: ketosis, etc
Diablo-D3: yeah, I wish people would quit trying to demonize ketosis
mircea_popescu: pLambert has it pretty much
Diablo-D3: ketosis is a good thing if you're losing weight
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it widely depends on the genetics of the individual in question
dub: if your basis for anything is the FDA you're already fucked btw
ThickAsThieves: losing weight isnt purely a good thing
Mats_cd03: the psychological effects are what most people are concerned about
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mircea_popescu: in general people vary metabolically two even three degrees of magnitude.
dub: those numbers don't come from science
Diablo-D3: its only an issue if you're eating the typical american diet and you have, say, diabetes
pLambert: when I did paleo, it was just a moderate amount of meat, and tons of fruit and veggies
Diablo-D3: dub: I agree, the FDA is full of shit
mircea_popescu: alcohol that'll kill a pacific islander = 0.1% of the dose well tolerated by a caucasian
mircea_popescu: etc
pLambert: say whatever you want, but if you are burning protein the nitrogen is going out of your body via urine.
mircea_popescu: some sweat.
Diablo-D3: pLambert: I agree
Diablo-D3: pLambert: but we're supposed to be burning fats and protein, not carbs
ThickAsThieves: anyone have insight as to what will happen if abnormal amounts of ginger are consumed regularly?
mircea_popescu: "supposed"
pLambert: no, burn carbs and fats, not protein
benkay: mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude you say? does this apply to intelligence? o.O
mircea_popescu: we're supposed to burn whatever we get mouths on
mircea_popescu: benkay easily.
pLambert: your brain needs glucose to work
benkay: ;)
Diablo-D3: burning carbs too much doesnt work
dub: ThickAsThieves: gingervitis? sorry
Diablo-D3: its why the american diet fails
ThickAsThieves: lol
Diablo-D3: dub: argh
mircea_popescu: pLambert that is true, but it's also true a wide array of thing can be reformed into glucose
mircea_popescu: including old rags
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably at the worst some digestive tract inflamation
ThickAsThieves: it is an anti-inflammatory
Diablo-D3: ginger is also delicious
dub: usually too much of anything is bad
mircea_popescu: that it may be
Diablo-D3: pLambert: so, theres a blood test for this nitrogen shit, right?
ThickAsThieves: a piss test?
pLambert: you could probably have your doctor do it, but I don't think you can do it at home
pLambert: I think they look for ketones in the blood as a marker for kidney failure?
mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis is prolly picked up by diabetic tests
Diablo-D3: no not for ketones
Diablo-D3: I already did a piss test for that, havent gotten the results yet
mircea_popescu: yeah by the time you have that problem you're well screwed.
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ThickAsThieves: In normal doses, ginger may cause stomachache, diarrhea or loose stools. Recent studies have indicated that large overdoses can cause depression or an irregular heartbeat.
ThickAsThieves: People with gallstones should not use ginger without a physician's authorization.
pLambert: I'm not a doctor, I'm just a chemist
mircea_popescu: you're a chemist ?!
pLambert: yeah, why?
Diablo-D3: okay, one of these tests is "blood urea nitrogen"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's an irritant, right ? it may be a systemic antiinflamatory, but it inflamates teh mucuous digestive tract
mircea_popescu: no particular reason, just curious.
ThickAsThieves: it being spicy i suppose is the first indiator
ThickAsThieves: c
pLambert: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375996.0
ozbot: I will answer chemistry questions for BTC tips
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://www.mega.nu/ampp/drugtext/morgan1.html grep for ginger btw
mircea_popescu: how did that go lol. lota druggies?
benkay: hey mike_c where did you get that line about liquid markets and the theft of capital?
benkay: nm foundit
ThickAsThieves: to make it more interesting, i've had joint pains in my knees for a long time
mircea_popescu: "The past few days I have been doing a model reaction reacting 1-octene with syngas (CO and H2) to make nonanal" y non anal ?
mircea_popescu: anal is good yo.
ThickAsThieves: probly how teh ginger craving began
pLambert: non-anal is not the same as nonan-al :)
mircea_popescu: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i guess i better cut back on the ginger
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves turns out it's a motor neuron toxic
benkay: (The
benkay: projections will be dazzling - the advocates will be sincere -
benkay: but, in the end, major additional investment in a terrible
benkay: industry usually is about as rewarding as struggling in
benkay: quicksand.)
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should take up pot instead
ThickAsThieves: my dad has fibromyalgia, maybe i'm getting there too
ThickAsThieves: i dont drink or do any other drugs anymore, and this seems to be leading to odd cravings
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ThickAsThieves: i think my brain is just telling me to eat away pains or something
ThickAsThieves: before ginger was strong desire for very hoppy beers
pLambert: I have heard the paleo diet gets rid of inflamations and discomforts ...
ThickAsThieves: i've heard whole food diet does same
ThickAsThieves: no meat required
mircea_popescu: just as long as you don't make a lifetime out of it i dun see what it can hurt
pLambert: you don't need meat for paleo
ThickAsThieves: d3 would surely disagree
ThickAsThieves: turns out hops are related to marijuana
ThickAsThieves: cannibinoids
ThickAsThieves: terpenoids
mircea_popescu: http://t.co/TYx0hoW7OX
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asciilifeform: some lost soul will try to make use of this 'revelation' and accidentally out of a window.
ThickAsThieves: too bad, they seemed to be one of the least shady banks left
mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/russia-reins-in-another-news-organization.html?_r=0
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's no less shady bank left. they are exactly equally shady, like communicating vessels
mircea_popescu: "prevailing business best practices" it's called.
asciilifeform: meanwhile,
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html
ozbot: ClubOrlov: The Crimean “Crisis” and Western Bias
asciilifeform: 'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.'
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, "antisemite" is now an official russian govt insult
mircea_popescu: mindboggling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's definitely a blackout, it being the message of the enemy. duh.
asciilifeform: galicia (western ua) is a curious 'nature preserve', where critters thought extinct in the 1940s roam freely.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile elsewhere,
mircea_popescu: "Former Jefferies Group managing director and senior trader, Jesse Litvak, indicted on charges of securities fraud, fraud connected to the US Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) and falsifying statements to the federal government, has been convicted of defrauding investors.
mircea_popescu: A federal jury found Litvak guilty on all counts, according to media reports. The 12-member jury found Litvak guilty on 15 criminal counts, including 10 of securities fraud. The defendant had pleaded not guilty to the 15 counts."
asciilifeform: best proof of this oddity - their own www sites.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the glatz is obviously eastern prussia, not western ua :D
asciilifeform: truly.
mircea_popescu: most of central europe is so dubious... basically you can give a 5yo a crayon and the map
mircea_popescu: whatever he draws is likely arguable as a "correct" map of the part of the world
KRS1: I cry for the 'Peans.
KRS1: This is terrible.
pLambert: My ancestors moved to the US from Bohemia, now I can't find that place on a map!
mircea_popescu: czech republic.
mircea_popescu: "Suzanne: Well, that could be. The half crazy could pertain to the sadness, but I think it was because I was so on a creative drive and the focuses were so strong in spite of any private grief I may have about my break up with Armand and the wheres and whys. There was so much other wonderful things happening. There was the activism. I was already becoming aware of recycling at a very young, young age and I might say, I
mircea_popescu: might be a pioneer in that because I was going to the Salvation Army and getting old dresses and old pieces of just cloth and making something quite wonderful out of them to dress myself, my child, and to make wonderful clothes."
mircea_popescu: how to be poor and pretend you're really enlightened, a guide.
mircea_popescu: this may come in handy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22718 @ 0.00085433 = 19.4087 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22632 @ 0.00085185 = 19.2791 BTC [-]
TomServo: New War Tard post finally, if anybody follows.
TomServo: http://wartard.blogspot.com/2014/03/russia-v-nato-ukraine-crimea-and-new.html
ozbot: War Tard: Russia v NATO: Ukraine, Crimea and the new Cold War.
benkay: TomServo: are you wartard?
TomServo: Nope
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6145551 = 5.531 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.618275 = 2.4731 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32868 @ 0.00085178 = 27.9963 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate nubbins` 1 Pleasure doing business, clear terms, fast turnaround, good communication (illustration project)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
nubbins`: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 patron of the arts
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
nubbins`: :D
benkay: WOT in action
benkay: mah niggas
ThickAsThieves: "The London-based bitcoin news provider (Coindesk) plans to announce on Thursday that it is adding Bitfinex to its price index, which currently includes Bitstamp of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria. Bitfinex is incorporated in Hong Kong."
ThickAsThieves: http://laanwj.github.io/gox_analysis/
ozbot: Mtgox trade data analysis
ThickAsThieves: US/China/Aus buy, Ruskies sell
wao-ender: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 220 @ 0.00052955 = 0.1165 BTC [-] {5}
dub: whats the data from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4945 @ 0.00051852 = 2.5641 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8009 @ 0.0005 = 4.0045 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 486 @ 0.00045857 = 0.2229 BTC [-] {13}
ThickAsThieves: http://nude-yoga.com/gallery/#pplightbox[pp_gal]/11/
ozbot: Naked Yoga Pictures and Nude Yoga Videos
ThickAsThieves: they take btc
nubbins`: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00040000 / 0.00050966 / 0.00056898 (16635 shares, 8.47819036 BTC), 7D: 0.00040000 / 0.00051735 / 0.00056900 (20677 shares, 10.69731961 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.0004874 / 0.00057500 (77065 shares, 37.56136889 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00045 = 0.9 BTC [-]
KRS1: oh kick ass you can finally see the entire female parts
nubbins`: http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226
nubbins`: btc > western union
KRS1: cant help but wonder if you were in a studio full of womens doing naked yoga would you smell ass and vag
nubbins`: yoga pants aren't smell barriers, so i'd say it'd smell the same way yoga classes do now
diametric: nubbins`: i mean not that i'm a fan of WU or anything, but that doesn't really mean anything. I can send coins between wallets all day long and have more transaction volume than WU.
diametric: I still think its a good thing there is such transaction volume, even if it doesn't directly translate to bitcoin being exchanged and moved between people and groups.
nubbins`: nod, good point
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if there are also less wallets with most of the bitcoin in them now
ThickAsThieves: that came out weird
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if fewer addresses hold a high qty of coins
ThickAsThieves: than, say, 6mos ago
nubbins`: you'd think big wallets would get broken up over time
nubbins`: rather than the opposite
nubbins`: but who knows!
ThickAsThieves: i would think same
ThickAsThieves: merely to not have the attention of "Top 50" lists and the like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00395 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: "Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'"
nubbins`: lel
wao-ender: M
wao-ender: <3
nubbins`: i tell ya, man
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0061 = 0.1098 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the guy really speaks to me
nubbins`: http://www.leonardcohen.com/us/music/songs-leonard-cohen/stranger-song
ozbot: The Stranger Song | The Official Leonard Cohen Site
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 847 @ 0.00016177 = 0.137 BTC [+] {9}
mircea_popescu: KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure.
nubbins`: better chance of the room smelling like dick from the two dudes who show up
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ended up in some zen thing
nubbins`: way it goes
nubbins`: got a stack full of cohen vinyl behind me and i'm sitting here humming it to myself
mircea_popescu: he's great.
nubbins`: "And you say ok the bridge or someplace later."
nubbins`: just fuckin words
nubbins`: but they send a shiver up my spine every time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093181 = 0.4659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00399999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: nubbins` you ever hear PJ Harvey's album, Dry?
nubbins`: haven't listened to much pj harvey altho i've got a few friends that are really into her
ThickAsThieves: you might like the old stuff
ThickAsThieves: Dry is my favorite by far
ThickAsThieves: Rid of Me is decent too
ThickAsThieves: she got too polished after those
ThickAsThieves: i think I've already recommend Greg MacPherson to you too
ThickAsThieves: he's Canadian
ThickAsThieves: again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven
Duffer1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PfwVNmckc
ozbot: Tom Waits - Silent Night & Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis.mpg - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00081889 = 20.1037 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: and of course I must also recommend David Bazan and Jets to Brazil
ThickAsThieves: again, the older the album the better
mircea_popescu: the older the better huh
mircea_popescu: what exactly is it in contemporaneity that fucks everything over.
nubbins`: signal to noise ratio
ThickAsThieves: i think there are many forces that make this happen
nubbins`: there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find
ThickAsThieves: usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake
nubbins`: well, this too
nubbins`: there are plenty of old albums that are shit
ThickAsThieves: more depression and emotion went into them as well
nubbins`: we just don't remember them ;D
ThickAsThieves: i do feel depression is a great muse
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2M_tzB20M
ThickAsThieves: other stressful emotions too
ThickAsThieves: i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man
Neil: ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend
ThickAsThieves: interesting
ThickAsThieves: while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such
mircea_popescu: because why ?
ThickAsThieves: why be a target
ThickAsThieves: what gain would it have otherwise
mircea_popescu: dude, you gotta asume your status in the world.
ThickAsThieves: do i?
Neil: Lots of outputs of size around what you spend is what you want; what's someone gonna do with a 5K address apart from break it up again?
ThickAsThieves: am i not?
mircea_popescu: well whats this "be a target" bs.
mircea_popescu: a target of what ? public worship ?
ThickAsThieves: public jealousy
Neil: mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities?
ThickAsThieves: wtf use do i have to be in these people's heads
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the reason they're a problem is that their heads are full of shit.
ThickAsThieves: and seeing me on a list would affect that?
mircea_popescu: Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./
ThickAsThieves: it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing
mircea_popescu: so then let them try.
mircea_popescu: prepare the batons, beat them bloody.
ThickAsThieves: or not!
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: whose world is it, yours or theirs ?
ThickAsThieves: no one's?
ThickAsThieves: i dont know
mircea_popescu: it's gotta be someone's.
nubbins`: nah
ThickAsThieves: all i know is that anyone that might care how much coin I have, i cared too, i'd show em
nubbins`: all an illusion
ThickAsThieves: if i*
mircea_popescu: well sure
ThickAsThieves: i dont see you sharing your addresses anyway!
mircea_popescu: occasionally.
ThickAsThieves: why not openly?
ThickAsThieves: spank us with your superiority
ThickAsThieves: own your world
Duffer1: i thought that's what trilema was for
ThickAsThieves: dont give him an out
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron.
Duffer1: :P
mircea_popescu: lol he really got butthurt.
mircea_popescu: what, srsly, does it look to you like i ain't ?
mircea_popescu: "Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!"
ThickAsThieves: no just surprised i didnt note the hypocrisy til now
mircea_popescu: what's so hypocratical about it!
ThickAsThieves: i think i already pointed out what
ThickAsThieves: you are not practicing what you are preaching
mircea_popescu: but i dun see it, i mean what exactly ? mpex has at least one well known inbound address, it shows however many btc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#555879 ☝︎
ThickAsThieves: cmon
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: what!
ThickAsThieves: you say why not be on a list of top holders, show the shitheads the world is yours
ThickAsThieves: well, show us
ThickAsThieves: if not, why not?
mircea_popescu: ...
Neil: mircea_popescu: You mix wallets right? Inbound on bitbet could be outbound on mpex and vice versa.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Aren't his MPOE holdings largely public?
mircea_popescu: Neil notrly.
Neil: BingoBoingo: MPOE holdings aren't BTC.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.66964413 BTC to 21`469 shares, 7777 satoshi per share
pizzaman1337: BingoBoingo: but MPOE holdings are only "paper" BTC, not actual btc
ThickAsThieves: he makes no concrete statement as to what belongs to what
ThickAsThieves: an mpex addy could be for the members
mircea_popescu: pizzaman1337 so that substantially changes anything ?
ThickAsThieves: no one really knows how many btc mp has or claims to have
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#msg3449849
ThickAsThieves: which was exactly the topic
ozbot: Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest
mircea_popescu: there, how bad is that.
pizzaman1337: mircea_popescu: yeah, because in practice it can't all be turned into real btc at market rates
Neil: mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ...
ThickAsThieves: that i dont want anyone to know what i have in that context
mircea_popescu: Neil bitbet had 500+ bets iirc. how much was this ?
Neil: 1800
ThickAsThieves: the context being a list of wallet addresses
ThickAsThieves: not a forum post of market caps
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i think you prolly took an angle of what i said and run off with it.
mircea_popescu: ran*
ThickAsThieves: if that;s how you wanna play it
ThickAsThieves: i'm not gonna beat a dead horse over it
Neil: https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777
ThickAsThieves: just funny
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even aware im playin.
Neil: 1868 from a single addy
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777
ThickAsThieves: it's more fun to me to not know anyway
ThickAsThieves: knowing doesnt really matter, to me at least
mircea_popescu: Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work.
ThickAsThieves: i believe you have plenty
mircea_popescu: this was the diff bet no ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: Meaning what exactly?
Neil: Doesn't seem to me that came from people betting on bitbet; that's my only point.
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN
mircea_popescu: that address often disburses payouts. it's like an outbound gateway
Neil: One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em."
mircea_popescu: Neil yeah bitbet got seeded originally, so as to build this situation it enjoys today where it has a large pool.
ThickAsThieves: i think i came off more defensive than i actually am
mircea_popescu: mtgox runs on 1/4 of deposits, bitbet runs on 4x. fractional reserve ftw.
ThickAsThieves: you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy?
mircea_popescu: seems kinda nutty to ask me why i'm shy dunnit ?
mircea_popescu: because im too over the top as is.
ThickAsThieves: not sure what that means
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00608 = 0.1763 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well it's good enough, i'll use this as a convenient reference to show that at least one person in zee werld thinks im shy.
ThickAsThieves: i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt exactly explain why me not showing addresses is questionable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00607997 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: nor why you dont either
mircea_popescu: the exact implementation is left as an exercise to the reader
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion
ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: it's not some sort of technical explanation of address showing.
mircea_popescu: it's just a general point about being known as such.
ThickAsThieves: and i further qualified it
ThickAsThieves: with not wanting to be a target
mircea_popescu: fuck em.
ThickAsThieves: sure
mircea_popescu: no but i mean literally.
ThickAsThieves: but why arent you fucking them
mircea_popescu: ...
ThickAsThieves: with your address
ThickAsThieves: no matter how we cut it, a reason can be distilled
mircea_popescu: why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me.
mircea_popescu: what of it.
ThickAsThieves: one which you are dancing around
ThickAsThieves: i'm only asking because i suspect your reasons arent much different than mine
ThickAsThieves: if at all
mircea_popescu: like how ?
ThickAsThieves: like you;'d prefer people not know exactly how much coin you have and what addy you keep it in
ThickAsThieves: if it's even one
mircea_popescu: these are reasons ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.041 = 1.681 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: no they are motivations
ThickAsThieves: to not share the info
ThickAsThieves: we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this
pizzaman1337: flirting
mircea_popescu: weird. wild.
ThickAsThieves: whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying
mircea_popescu: nowai. srsly ?
ThickAsThieves: if i am remotely accurate in my estimation of your intelligence, yes
ThickAsThieves: i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring
ThickAsThieves: wrong*
mircea_popescu: tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance
ThickAsThieves: :/
mdwu: what is the difference between a poor and rich person besides their net worth?
ThickAsThieves: even if that's what it boiled down to
ThickAsThieves: the reason the conversation continued,
mircea_popescu: mdwu that the poor person likely sucks.
ThickAsThieves: is searching for why your reasons for hiding are different
mircea_popescu: that hiding'd be entirely of your projection.
ThickAsThieves: then why is it you do not display your coins
ThickAsThieves: this is not a projection on my part
ThickAsThieves: it's what I observe
mircea_popescu: but to some degree i do.
pizzaman1337: this is just a striptease to see MP's bitcoin dick. We can't be impressed without a little build-up.
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm just ignorant and everyone knows your addies but me, and youre just fucking with me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the mpex addy, neh ?
mircea_popescu: i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published
ThickAsThieves: ive dug up some in the past
mircea_popescu: its in the faq innit ?
ThickAsThieves: i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins
ThickAsThieves: just company ones
ThickAsThieves: which i assume also represent user funds
asciilifeform: what useful thing could one hope to achieve by dropping pants and publicly displaying bitcock?
ThickAsThieves: this was my initial question as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol.
mircea_popescu: fucking something or the other
asciilifeform: seems like a proposition that's purely lose-lose, like sticking hand in a bear trap.
ThickAsThieves: the answer i got was essentially to put idiots in their place
asciilifeform: you might do it to demonstrate an indestructible robotic prosthesis, but otherwise it's pointless
mircea_popescu: we weren't actually discussing that, i dun think.
mircea_popescu: somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison
mircea_popescu: for w/e reason.
ThickAsThieves: like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine
ThickAsThieves: but just say that
asciilifeform goes back to tweaking PLL clock on cardano
ThickAsThieves: dont make it like you are and arent at the same time
mircea_popescu: going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published
mdwu: MP: will you turn mpex options back on at some point? or is it gone for good?
mircea_popescu: mdwu once there's a usable, meaningful spot yeah
mdwu: did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money?
ThickAsThieves gives up.
mircea_popescu: didja read the feb report ?
mdwu: last month*
mdwu: yeah
Duffer1: so.. i'm on the phone with Lilliput now should i cancel the gang or not?
mircea_popescu: mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 is that like the island next to blehFU ?
Duffer1: yea
Duffer1: perhaps a bit too obscure to be funny :P
mircea_popescu: what was Apocalyptic's exchange, bt-x ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00082029 = 11.5661 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: x-bt.com
mircea_popescu: http://bt-c.com/
ozbot: BT Company
mircea_popescu: check out the lamborghini textiles
asciilifeform: s/lamb/trabamb
mircea_popescu: ironically these may be the genuine article.
mircea_popescu: ie, actual lohn provider with a dumbass website.
bitcoinpete: "Exotic dancers are flocking here from as far away as Russia for the same reason as everyone else - to make their fortune in a place known as Kuwait on the Prairie."
bitcoinpete: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25983917
ozbot: BBC News - North Dakota oil boom: American Dream on ice
bitcoinpete: "Strippers can earn $2,500 (£1,500) per shift here, says a bouncer."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15870 @ 0.00081992 = 13.0121 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00012875 = 0.209 BTC [-] {9}