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mircea_popescu: by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.
herbijudlestoids: lets say iv hired you to be my security consultant then
herbijudlestoids: what would you suggest i do
herbijudlestoids: i give you the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.
lippoper: we only talk in person
mircea_popescu: on the data so far i'd suggest you get laid ?
herbijudlestoids: lippoper: i didnt hire you
lippoper: leave all electronics behind ;-)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at the behest of polite requests to people who could confirm otherwise. Who talks to who is always difficult to hide. Focus on hiding the subject and the message.
asciilifeform: anyone who goes, 'i want crypto!' without some idea of the actual problem he is trying to solve, is in an advanced state of sin.
mircea_popescu: i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?
lippoper: Well, that's your first problem ;-)
herbijudlestoids: no
mircea_popescu: so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?
BingoBoingo: If everything abut you is secret you get ignored.
herbijudlestoids: yes.
mircea_popescu: is X friendly or hostile ?
herbijudlestoids: X is friendly
BingoBoingo: What is X is incredibly hostile?
lippoper: what about Y?
BingoBoingo: You just don't know it yet.
mircea_popescu: fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.
asciilifeform: if X is hostile, then anything X knows, the enemy learns immediately.
mircea_popescu: have them listen to radio shows
mircea_popescu: worked just fine in ww2.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bingo
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: thanks for adding some useless lines to the convo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: the requirement is to talk over the internet
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,
mircea_popescu: you've already lost most of the battle.
mircea_popescu: keep the channel secret in your model.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes the noise between the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: but i have not identified the channel
mircea_popescu: uh.
herbijudlestoids: all they could possibly know is that im using i2p
asciilifeform: steganography is an actual field, anyone for whom traffic analysis is more than an academic puzzle would do well to learn the basics;
herbijudlestoids: there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...
asciilifeform: but it is by its very nature non-standardizable.
BingoBoingo: i2p makes tor look easy.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.
mircea_popescu: just don't standardize i nthe first place.
herbijudlestoids: not sure what you mean
herbijudlestoids: what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p
herbijudlestoids: how is the channel known
mircea_popescu: well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.
herbijudlestoids: dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time
asciilifeform: standardized stego (e.g. 'let's all encode messages in the lowest color bit of lolcat photos) is about as useful as the practice of hiding your house key under the door mat.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.
mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.
mircea_popescu: just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"
mircea_popescu: again, worked fine in ww2.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Twist in the plot: key under the rug can't withstand the torque necessary to turn the lock and breaks inside...
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: these are literally the problems OTR was designed to solve lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: grenade sans pin with the spoon held down by the rug, if you like.
herbijudlestoids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_millionaire
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids otr protects your meta-data now ?
mircea_popescu: i gues in the sense of no signatures...
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: what problem would you actually like to solve? that is, what is the portrait of the enemy? and what is to be protected?
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i cant really tell you that
asciilifeform: no need to be specific
asciilifeform: just generalities
herbijudlestoids: the problem i would like to solve, is very very simple
asciilifeform: e.g. 'nsa' and 'warez'
herbijudlestoids: there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it
herbijudlestoids: we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...
herbijudlestoids: over the internet.
asciilifeform: talk in real time?
herbijudlestoids: yes.
mircea_popescu: i doubt otr actually covers this case.
herbijudlestoids: it has to be impossible for anyone to ever use those communicatoins to find out who is running the project.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i told you like 50 times we are using OTR to encrypt conversations that take place over i2p
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off
mircea_popescu: they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.
mircea_popescu: they can take place over the naked body of mary.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not turtle routing if it is only two known parties that can exchange credentials in person?
asciilifeform: it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.
herbijudlestoids: i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: explain?
asciilifeform: http://www.ussrback.com/crypto/rsa/TWINKLE/twinkle.html
herbijudlestoids: ah F2F
herbijudlestoids: if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes to take the traffic load, i dont want to talk directly to the counterparts IP
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect to.
herbijudlestoids: yeah...no...i would likely use the gnunet for F2F comms
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?
asciilifeform: because if it isn't, you can stuff bytes in the btc block chain.
herbijudlestoids: haha
herbijudlestoids: why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into the blockchain
mircea_popescu: and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.
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asciilifeform: agree on public keys, and encrypt
asciilifeform: the agreement only needs to happen once
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway
herbijudlestoids: i definitely do not want to persist anything in any blockchain!
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: assume that every packet you send over the public net gets 'persisted' regardless of whether you asked for it
herbijudlestoids: lel you guys crack me up
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mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D
mircea_popescu: shit, beaten to it again
mircea_popescu: i gotta learn to touchtype already.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i make that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?
asciilifeform: because this way 10,000 lamers are all equal candidates for the inquisition, for having said packets on disk
mircea_popescu: at least in some people's estimation.
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: in that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers to have the packets in their NIC than on their disk.
BingoBoingo: I wonder if anti-Zyprexa exists...
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you want a psychotic inducer?
mircea_popescu: acid prolly works...
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not exactly
BingoBoingo: More like a complacency relaxer
herbijudlestoids: so you want to increase your motivation?
herbijudlestoids: try l-tyrosine
herbijudlestoids: catecholamine precursor.
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: i'm feeling generous, have an example:
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/YQ0b2Lmp
ozbot: [Python] caster - Pastebin.com
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mircea_popescu: http://www.psychforums.com/anti-psych/topic85874.html
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herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: thanks for your generosity i guess, what is this?
mircea_popescu: pretty good shit.
mircea_popescu: you people and your synthetic helpers.
asciilifeform: and http://pastebin.com/Uw9syzhV
herbijudlestoids: i dont take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)
BingoBoingo: I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been too obvious...
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: recipe, for stowing four octets in the blockchain.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors though Lima/Fava beans work just fine
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: ah right. thx...i appreciate the gesture :)
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: um, no, the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor to all catecholamines
ThickAsThieves: fava beans are the best beans
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Your chemistry isn't wrong, but it is missing 4 steps and 9 pathways.
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BingoBoingo: Also there is no such thing is an acute precursor unless you want to talk prodrugs like codeine
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ThickAsThieves: lol
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: i mean acute as in relative to l-tyrosine
herbijudlestoids: same way that 5-htp versus l-tryptophan
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I think you read pharmacology equivalents to the National Enquirer a bit too much.
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: four octets ought to be a roomy enough 'dead drop' for anyone
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: dead drop is not my requirement
asciilifeform: dead drop can tell the friendly forces where to find whatever.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not a neuroscientist, but i did used to work at the largest neuroscience research facility in australia. consider my knowledge on the topic a poor carbon copy
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: 5-HTP is mostly a precusor of things that aren't catecholamines anyway
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I haven't taken a bio class since 7th grade.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: you misunderstand, i was referring to 5-htp being a direct serotonin precursor (equiv of L-DOPA for dopamine) and l-tryptophan being broader/less acute
asciilifeform: serotonin more or less stops at the blood-brain barrier, so 5-htp just annoys your liver.
herbijudlestoids: 5-htp is the l-dopa of serotonin...is what i meant
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: But in vitro most 5-HTP becomes various histamines as opposed to becoming serotinin.
herbijudlestoids: who cares about in vitro
herbijudlestoids: i am talking about when you eat it
herbijudlestoids: in vivo
BingoBoingo: 5-HTP generallyis dangerous because it is a histamine precursor rather than a serotonin precursor.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Well, I'm not in the habit of cutting vexual open.
herbijudlestoids: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2357555
ozbot: Striatal dopamine terminals release serotonin afte... [Brain Res. 1990] - PubMed - NCBI
herbijudlestoids: "Peripheral administration of 5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) to rats causes 'wet dog' shakes and a parallel elevation of brain serotonin (5-HT) levels. "
BingoBoingo: And nicotinic receptor inhibitors like succicholine cause paralasis.
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BingoBoingo: Most serotogenic receptors from the five documented families happen in the bowels.
herbijudlestoids: we have come a long way from your question of wanting to remove complacency
herbijudlestoids: i suggested something to increase endogenous adrenaline and dopamine together.
herbijudlestoids: my 2c :)
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: And now we are talking about shit.
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/02d74622f0955143cb0d95a07d983fec/tumblr_mfoxk60OCb1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl...
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The thing is meth can do that cheaper. Combine meth and an MAOI and you can do it fast and incredibly cheap with incredible safety.
BingoBoingo: Tits
ThickAsThieves: 850
cazalla: that zyprexa link.. why would a 6 year old be on that
cazalla: and what type of parent would give consent
herbijudlestoids: lel if you think meth + MAOI removes complacency
asciilifeform: in what universe is 'meth' cheap?
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: US Big Pharma influenced doctors :)
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mircea_popescu: cazalla no need for parental consent in the us.
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: they go to a conference, there is big pharma salespeople there, there is other doctors who were paid by big pharma to do studies, et
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You know we only whack you because we like you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Missouri
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: why is that lady naked?
herbijudlestoids: she seems out of place
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: <3
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think you misunderstand. e.g. an AK-47 is 'cheap', if you're a Pashtun. but say you're a Brit.
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: this is the first irc chan that i have hung out in since probly 2010...should give you a clue :)
mircea_popescu: no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.
asciilifeform: then you pay 10x, and roll in the cost of lawyers, bribes, etc. if you're found out.
cazalla: herbijudlestoids: i know how it works but it's just shocking a 6 year old would be taking it, my dad takes a small dose to manage his schizophrenia and it did wonders for him but still, a 6 year old?
mircea_popescu: it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: profit margins yo, they must be kept up
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asciilifeform: the basic formula for black market cost is 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'
benkay: translation?
mircea_popescu: cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.
asciilifeform: esp. now that 'silk road' is done
mircea_popescu: you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: if your marketing strategy is so successful that it encompasses the entire 21-65yo spectrum...what do you do? expand the market ;)
BingoBoingo: I knew plenty of kids in elementary school on the Desoxyn
mircea_popescu: benkay what's legit for jesus isn't legit for random fuckwit
cazalla: not familiar with that one BingoBoingo, zyprexa gave my dad a sane life though
mircea_popescu: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hawaii-family-sues-dentist-root-canal-left-3-year-old-girl-brain-dead-article-1.1565600
mircea_popescu: here's a good one.
ozbot: Hawaii family sues dentist for root canal that left 3-year-old girl BRAIN DEAD - NY Daily News
mircea_popescu: think about it... root canals in milk teeth.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Detroit,St Louis, and Chicago the most common caliber used in homicides was .22LR
herbijudlestoids: cazalla: lol desoxyn is meth :)
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cazalla: 3 year olds need root canal?
cazalla: must've given her pepsi instead of breastmilk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if govt. stats are to be believed, this is true in all 50 states.
mircea_popescu: cazalla in the us, yes.
asciilifeform: low pressure round. hence pistols with barrels made of cheap hell-knows-what alloy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well problem probably isn't government stats in this case. In this case it is people who want to bake a murder want to use an expendable and cheap weapon.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the real gangstas are the people with daisies and red ryders in their mtv videos
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the fakers with platform machine guns and anti tank missile launchers
asciilifeform: .22, 'olympic' caliber, favourite of executioners around the world
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU
ozbot: homicide da union - YouTube
asciilifeform: traditionally used at 'point blank' range. no exit wound, bounces around in the head.
herbijudlestoids: ew
asciilifeform: every once in a while, somebody fellates a .22 and lives
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For small game fillinf hollow points with phosphorous has its virtues
herbijudlestoids: let me tell you guys about our prime minister
herbijudlestoids: his name is tony abbott
herbijudlestoids: imagine george bush
BingoBoingo: da union has the best videos on Youtube
herbijudlestoids: and then take away all of the intelligence
herbijudlestoids: thats tony abbott
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: light the meat? why?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Marks where the lead settles, by yes scorching the wound tunnel.
BingoBoingo: Usefull on fatty shit like woodchucks
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM
ozbot: FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube
herbijudlestoids: ill tell you guys what
herbijudlestoids: i will give up my 0.02BTC to anyone who wants to come to aus and challenge tony abbott to a fight
asciilifeform: saddam h. reportedly challenged mr. bush to a duel.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Plenty of sandbars here. Talk him into a meeting on the mississippi. Plenty of sand bars with questionable jurisdiction.
BingoBoingo: US Senators used to end their careers on those all of the time.
herbijudlestoids: i fucken hate this guy
herbijudlestoids: i used to think i hated our previous, conservative, 4 term PM, john howard
herbijudlestoids: but i love john howard compared to tony abbott...
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJLTSP8g_4
wao-ender: so
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herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: are they actually gonna fight lol
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dunno
herbijudlestoids: the answer is no
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herbijudlestoids: waste of 4 minutes
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: How do you know pt 3 isn't set in the back of an ambulance?
herbijudlestoids: there is no part 3
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids what specifically is the complaint ?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: against abbott?
mircea_popescu: yea
herbijudlestoids: let me show you a video
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.
herbijudlestoids: its lelworthy, 2m43s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wT9XS_TvzQ
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i dunno how i can exactly explain it...but i guess its very similar to bush snr vs jnr. policywise, identical...but you feel embarrassed when you see them overseas representing you
mircea_popescu: lmao the keiser muppet made his own coin
BingoBoingo: Ain't nobody got time for dat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIKI7ArSvlY
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lnk plox?
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/maxkeiser
ozbot: Max Keiser (maxkeiser) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: good for a lol.
mircea_popescu: (no actual link to the thing anywhere there)
mircea_popescu: "As a stage of the launch will release password protected .rar files for important downloads, followed by passwords a time later."
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mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/431114885024722944
ozbot: Twitter / LionelMedia: Maxcoin is the new Dogecoin. ...
mircea_popescu: the funny thing, of course, is that he's following mp mandated policy TO SPITE ME
mircea_popescu: people.
mircea_popescu: my life would have been infinitely boring-er without bitcoin, for srs.
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BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/431233382152810497
ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To think all you would have before would have been the slave girls and the fortune
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438150.0
ozbot: [PRE-ANN][MAX] MaxCoin
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: BTC Block time? 30 seconds << that's the innovation.
BingoBoingo: Wait SHA-3? WHo has some FPGAs?
BingoBoingo: THere's some good VHDL cores for that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ebay.' a dime a dozen.
mircea_popescu: course the code got leaked
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean who still has FPGAs to sink them nao...
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo has enlightened me, i had no idea how many videos of black people nearly fighting each other but not, were on youtube
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of people own fpgas. me, for instance.
pankkake: videos of "nigger friday"?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320659.msg4952359#msg4952359
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure we just need the set of people with FPGAs and who would like to luke-jr Max Keister
mircea_popescu: check it out, realsolid (of solidcoin scam fame) is like... raising ipos and whatnot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He went scam on that IPO like months ago.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im pretty sure that's being taken care of.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no ?!
mircea_popescu: but how could that be.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Solidcoin 4?
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: you want a psychosis inducer, lsd is a poor choice
nubbins`: try atropine or scopolamine type stuff
mircea_popescu: "just get married" ?
nubbins`: ha
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Actually if you want speed dramamine is the fastest route.
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: thats delerium, not psychosis.
BingoBoingo: At the right doses
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nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, one's as good as the other
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Neither of those are very good. Delerium versus psychosis is Riddler versus Joker.
Vexual: eat lead paint
mircea_popescu: you know it's spelled delirium
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nubbins`: i was gonna let the spelling slide
nubbins`: bingo, i'm not up on my batman villains
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Thank you markov chain!!! Shekel me nao.
mircea_popescu: me too but it was taking up a life of its own
herbijudlestoids: so it is
nubbins`: deleterious delirium
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mircea_popescu: hilatarious
nubbins`: either way
nubbins`: you give some schmo lsd and he's just as likely to achieve complete awareness
mircea_popescu: complete my foot.
mircea_popescu: that's psychosis.
nubbins`: haha
BingoBoingo: But atropine 'could' be delerium
mircea_popescu: "you can't logically prove my complete awareness is incomplete and kinda unaware!1111"
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a pole
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sound like a MAXCOiner
BingoBoingo: lol, I've walked into a pole. poles have decent tits
nubbins`: HEH
mircea_popescu: hahaha
nubbins`: see?
nubbins`: complete awareness
nubbins`: dude knew what he was doing all along
nubbins`: anyway, there are plenty of virgins that have convinced themselves that sex is just a sticky wet mess
nubbins`: what of it?
mircea_popescu: there are ?!
mircea_popescu: dude the more i hear of canada...
nubbins`: the more you wanna move here
nubbins`: i know
herbijudlestoids: haha holy shit
herbijudlestoids: slashdot has changed interfaces
mircea_popescu: um no. i don't like virginz.
herbijudlestoids: the comments sections have ceased to be about the story and only talking about the interface
nubbins`: i don't like people who haven't taken lsd ;p
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The trick is figuring out how many minutes ago I opened the bottle.
nubbins`: i kid
BingoBoingo: So around 7 UTC we get Altcoin on Slashdot?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: me figuring it out or you figuring it out?
Vexual: if one goes to heaven with 40 virgins, do they stay that way?
nubbins`: Vexual, the hymens regrow
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah. it's gonna be painful for them 4evar
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know the answer is 143
mircea_popescu: that way muslim men don't ever need to fuck ass.
nubbins`: anyway, for those of you who are aware of the "stoned ape" theory of evolution of consciousness
nubbins`: check this gem out:
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4K0LqTC5w
ozbot: Stoned Ape Theory - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the scents differ. Ass flora and Vaginal flora are completley different flora. Basically E Coli versus Yoplait.
mircea_popescu: i use condoms anyway
herbijudlestoids: "It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11] "
herbijudlestoids: ...appetizing.
mircea_popescu: it's a mistranslation.
herbijudlestoids: yea i know lol, iranian, remember?
mircea_popescu: "desirable"
nubbins`: condoms, what's that, a euro thing?
mircea_popescu: lol "it's not a purse, it's european"
nubbins`: eternal erections would become gangrenous
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You might be canadian, so it doesn't seem relevant, but they are essential anywhere aids is possible;.
nubbins`: again, i kid ;(
nubbins`: we have aids here in canada too
nubbins`: hah
nubbins`: in this province, yes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: only kaffirs get afterlife with gangrene.
BingoBoingo: Or is it Candidia lacks a certain .txt
nubbins`: ooh good crossover joke
nubbins`: actually, a local actor is starring in the film remake of that .txt, alongside cuba gooding jr
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not necessarily. it could be magically arranged the blood still flows
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-oscar-winners-join-tv-adaptation-of-the-book-of-negroes-1.2523057
ozbot: 2 Oscar winners join TV adaptation of The Book of Negroes - Toronto - CBC News
mircea_popescu: maybe the chosen penis just enters a hydraulic annomaly
nubbins`: hm
nubbins`: some sort of bloodlock system
mircea_popescu: no, no lock.
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BingoBoingo: Good point mircea_popescu. Still. No one is making decent cheddar in there.
mircea_popescu: just, pv=nt here and p'v=nt there
nubbins`: well i just mean like an airlock
mircea_popescu: allah sez.
nubbins`: new blood in, mild overinflation, old blood out
herbijudlestoids: www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/koch-brothers-palm-springs-donor-list
nubbins`: you could time the inflow to the outward thrust, to simulate knotting
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/anorexia-patient-told-by-er-nurse-to-go-get-some-supper-1.2523913
ozbot: Anorexia patient told by ER nurse to 'go get some supper' - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
Mats_cd03: i am now the proud owner of some S.MPOE
nubbins`: ah, this place is something else
Mats_cd03: what do i have to look forward to
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, uncertainty and elation
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 prolly some dividends at some point
Mats_cd03: hopefully ill be able to reinvest my profits into a nice deep fryer
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: deep fryers, jeez
nubbins`: why not just throw out all your pants and start wearing pyjamas?
Mats_cd03: i hear they make one that uses a centrifuge inside at 3x G to induce a delicious crisp outside chicken
Mats_cd03: i hear its... extraterrestrially delicious
Vexual: swirling a wok can do that
nubbins`: all for the low cost of having your house smell like a grease trap
nubbins`: ^
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BingoBoingo: Anyone here part of the Silicon Valley circuit?
Mats_cd03: what is that
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Until they prove otherwise lusers
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: im not directly but do know a fair few who are
herbijudlestoids: re openstack
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, pankkake, jborkl: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM
nubbins`: i don't think amazon is gonna carry this book
pankkake: omg
pankkake: who am I?
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: But I did disclose some alma maters here earlier today. If people who want into Bitcoin want to know how to navigate a WoT I make myself available... for a price.
mircea_popescu: hahaha
nubbins`: i don't know what you look like so i had to draw something based on your nick
nubbins`: you're all flat, like a pankkake :(
mircea_popescu: dick ?
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: i dont want to read logs so why dont you tell me
mircea_popescu: why does kako have a moustachio like groucho marx ?
BingoBoingo: Lol nubbins` That goes in the -assets book right?
nubbins`: yeah, first page
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because somolia
nubbins`: just a rough draft of course ;p
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's actually jborkl
mircea_popescu: bongebaungu i see you have an issue with vowel rotation
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Know Paul Graham?
nubbins`: i tried to draw someone who looked bork-y
mircea_popescu: what in "jason borkland" gives you the turkish look ?
nubbins`: honestly i use paint markers and accidentally depressed the tip
pankkake: anyway, awesome
nubbins`: then had to fix it as best i could ;(
mircea_popescu: i kinda like how my head rests securely on my beard pedestal
nubbins`: for easy storage, natch
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you realise this is the book of the book being written right now
nubbins`: hmm, that's a bit too seinfeld for me
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BingoBoingo: !b 5 ✂︎
nubbins`: strike this from the logs!
pankkake: though today I was more like jborkl, wore a snow hat and hat weird stuff coming in and out of my nose
mircea_popescu: pankkake did you get your face surgically removed yet ?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: nope
nubbins`: i draw a couple more but the pens started acting up
nubbins`: *drew
nubbins`: full of ink blobs
pankkake: I had turbinoplasty
pankkake: my nose is TURBINES
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Ah, I could hope. I've been trying to target him through blog posts
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: now you can ipo your head
mircea_popescu: for a mining farm based on wind turbines
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: is he a fin services guy? i can see someone paul graham fin services on linkedin
nubbins`: stateful wind
Vexual: upper level
nubbins`: ^ we already have this, altho it's pretty much read-only
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that comes out the other way.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: He used to be an academic LISPer
nubbins`: heh
pankkake: I'm not finished yet, but it's becoming an expensive head :(
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The past tense might be important though
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pankkake: the bearded MP reminds me of something, but I can't really find it
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i imagine you as some sort of cross between a kangaroo and an old lady with a visor
benkay: BingoBoingo: he used to be a commercial Lisper as well.
pankkake: maybe cthulhu
nubbins`: pankkake: does it remind you of mp? ;p
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What I am looking for is someone silicon valley who needs a Bitcoin Bullshit filter.
benkay: BingoBoingo: unfortunately those who need what you have to offer are too stupid to realize they need it.
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mircea_popescu: !b 1 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: benkay: I know that, but it is only to the potential audience's peril
nubbins`: benkay: this is actually a problem with free condoms too
pankkake: I shaved yesterday, should have IPOed my glorious beard
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Shame to you and your family
mircea_popescu: im thinking of shaving too
nubbins`: it's liberating
pankkake: usually it itches, but after a month and a half it was still good
BingoBoingo: pankkake: How slow does french hair grow?
benkay: you guys can't shave my sideburns are just starting to come into bloom! i was shooting for an assets beard conference.
nubbins`: i find if you can get past the 3-week mark, the beard grows itself
mircea_popescu: benkay you coming in april ?
benkay: nah man
benkay: not unless revenue picks up significantly
benkay: wish i were
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ << reminder
ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: I am a hairy monster, but for example my brother can't grow a beard as fast as me, if at all
nubbins`: i'm waiting for someone to sponsor me as a courtroom sketch-artist type deal
nubbins`: incidentally the last two zines we published were essentially this
benkay: was totally planning to, but then i dropped the well-paid infotech work to do the same thing with good friends for clients paying a third
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thinking of going?
nubbins`: benkay, i used to work for a company called infotech
mircea_popescu: benkay splendid stragety.
nubbins`: "why don't we just call our company IT?" "nah, too short"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sheriff couple of counties over still has my passport until at least May
mircea_popescu: let's call our shop SHOP
mircea_popescu: and our dog DOG
mircea_popescu: and our child CHILD
nubbins`: right?
Vexual: lol BingoBongo, I'm having similar issues
pankkake: that's what korean starcraft players do, though
nubbins`: i owned a nameless cockatiel for over 10 years
herbijudlestoids: yall criminals.
pankkake: names like "life", "cloud", "hero"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what srsys, you can't apply for a whatsitcalled
Vexual: boat?
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: pankkake, i generally found that koreans had crazy email addresses
nubbins`: like fvjefgrnfd@whatever.co.kr
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I got principles and I ain't plea'in
pankkake: lol
mircea_popescu: bysendingemailhereideclareiamawhore@yahoo.com ?
nubbins`: one day i realized that they were just typing their names in korean on the keyboard
nubbins`: hahahah
mircea_popescu: good for spam honeypottin'
mircea_popescu: ipromisetopaytenbuckstotherecipient@gmail.com
BingoBoingo: I paid may to many BTC for this drive through motherfucking lawyer's time back in may and I plan to waste as much of his time as I can.
mircea_popescu: (nothice equal strlen)
nubbins`: hmm
asciilifeform: ionlyacceptmailasblockchaindustbytes@nowhereinparticular.com
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaha how much was it
mircea_popescu: myotheremailisbroken@tormail.net
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: $300 or back in May 2.5 BTC that week
nubbins`: thisistheonlyonetheydidntseize@tormail.org
mircea_popescu: fuck, you hired a lawyer for 300 bux ?!
nubbins`: what'd that get you, a handshake?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, dude has a drive thru
nubbins`: oh wow
nubbins`: i thought that was a figure of speech
BingoBoingo: Fucker is happy to act as my paralegal too.
nubbins`: hi can i take your problem please
benkay: mircea_popescu: can't tell if sarcasm or irony
mircea_popescu: you know, rural us...
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah
benkay: and if ironic what precisely the message is
nubbins`: benkay, surprise
mircea_popescu: benkay :D
BingoBoingo: If sit ain't cheap enough head into the wastes
asciilifeform: somebody 'in demand' should actually declare, 'wanna talk? low octets of tx amount to addr. A plz.'
mircea_popescu: that's okay, i can't tell which message he;s on about. we have thus achieved
mircea_popescu: perfect communicational symmetrification.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay splendid stragety.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sort-of like how trilema credits work
nubbins`: hmmmmmm
nubbins`: re: "socialist millionaire" problem
Mats_cd03: hes 99% incoherent usually
pankkake: "Just like on the 1st edition VIPs get free shuttle service to and from the airport, free (4 star) hotel accomodation including breakfast (either singles or doubles at your option, no extra charge), free meals and drinks everywhere" oh. I see the point now :D
nubbins`: one nice thing about having a degree in pure mathematics is that you can grok wikipedia articles on math
BingoBoingo: I'd honestly be surprised if this matter is adjudicated in time for next year's conference.
mircea_popescu: benkay just sarcastic
asciilifeform: nubbins`: one can grok the millionaires protocol with a first grade degree.
nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah
asciilifeform: (at least, soviet 1st grade.)
nubbins`: i just mean sentences like "All operations are performed modulo p, or in other words, in the multiplicative group (Z/pZ)*."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i hear a lot of work is being put into keeping us citizens from being able to travel abroad
mircea_popescu: for all sorts of not-directly-related reasons
nubbins`: and they said group theory wouldn't prove useful in real life.
pankkake: a lot of work = butt probes and cancer-giving machines?
benkay: can't say as i agree, mp. before i was limited pretty solidly on increasing revenue. nowadays, i'm only limited on revenue by my ability to find work and people to do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far, just a bit of dekulakization.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If it comes down to life and death I can walk to Nuevo Laredo and get all of the hookers. Nao though... Imma wilk my 2.5 BTC out of Mr. Drive Thru.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: best korea does that, too
mircea_popescu: benkay the sarcasm refers to what was stated not to teh reality therein described.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was in nuevo laredo, had excellent pasta there
nubbins`: jborkl
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jzPwaJM
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: that's you on the bottom
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't affirm or deny having spent any time there this summer, but pasta there "seems" to be above that availble in my native area
nubbins`: fun fact, the dollar store sells fake Moleskine notebooks for $1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was some prattle about making folks owing $6+figs of tax 'невыездной'
asciilifeform: afaik never went anywhere.
Vexual: nubs not really paper?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's implemented
nubbins`: Vexual, just a brand name. no moles were harmed
mircea_popescu: yu can't get a passport if you owe back tax.
Vexual: inferior stitching?
nubbins`: shrug. has held up so far
nubbins`: they even have the elastic band and the bookmark
Vexual: might be real
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the magic number?
nubbins`: nah, real ones are like $18
mircea_popescu: fun fact. apud gt, nevyyezdnoy=travel abroad, vyyezdnoy=exit
Vexual: and the french is proper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no magic number. irs just puts a hold.
mircea_popescu: $100 is good enough.
nubbins`: it's actually pretty hard to bind a book with thread so poorly that it falls apart
nubbins`: i mean, if you can tie a knot
nubbins`: even if you can't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: вьезд / выезд sure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entry/exit
nubbins`: i actually let my passport expire
nubbins`: have to get a new picture taken this week
asciilifeform: nevyyezdnoy (невыездной) - 'he who is not to leave'
nubbins`: gotta say, it rots my guts when they don't stamp the pages in order
Vexual: lol
jborkl: Nice drawing, is that original?
mircea_popescu: why ?!
nubbins`: jborkl: yeah, part of the upcoming first issue of -assets Quarterly
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, just the way i am, i guess
jborkl: Nice
nubbins`: would you buy a notebook and start writing on page 7?
Vexual: yes
mircea_popescu: yes
nubbins`: eat shit, both of you
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mircea_popescu: "would you pick up a chick and start by fucking her in the ass ?"
Vexual: i hope you get your visa stamped on the cover
mircea_popescu: hahaha
nubbins`: NOT ON PAGE 7 I WOULDN'T
mircea_popescu: if i ever visit nubbins` household i'm writing into all the new noteboox at random locations
nubbins`: i bet you eat all the chocolate in your advent calendars on the first day too, don't ya
jborkl: Heh, I am left handed so I sometimes start at the back. Drives the wife nuts
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: there came a point where we had enough scrap paper that we were able to stop buying notebooks and start making them
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude, i will DRINK FROM THE MIDDLE OF YOUR BOTTLES
nubbins`: jborkl: funny, i actually start reading magazines from the back
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: so... with a straw? :(
herbijudlestoids: http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/02/05/1421229/adobe-flash-remote-code-execution-flaw-exploited-in-the-wild?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
ozbot: Adobe Flash Remote Code Execution Flaw Exploited In the Wild - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: you'll have some liquid, then a pause, then more liquid
herbijudlestoids: update yo flash nigz
nubbins`: i hate that!!
mircea_popescu: someone had flash ?!
nubbins`: what's a flash
jborkl: Wait, where are sticking that straw? Is this still about picking up the chick?
nubbins`: i think they start in the middle
mircea_popescu: they always start in the middle.
nubbins`: not sure
mircea_popescu: shit
mircea_popescu: "they start in middle school yeah"
nubbins`: what's a school
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herbijudlestoids: yall dont have flash?
herbijudlestoids: how do youwatch youtube
Vexual: mp posts a lot of public nudes
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got no time for that.
asciilifeform: http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/8177/CVE_2014_0497_a_0_day_vulnerability
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/789ee03d33aa445a6c3c647dcb3119a4/tumblr_mes5vkpQhj1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is vex when he was younger.
mircea_popescu: windows only exploits. herp
asciilifeform: the overflow works elsewhere, these folks only looked at the winblows example.
herbijudlestoids: if it exploits only windows why did adobe release emergency patch for all OS, even including the unsupported linux version
nubbins`: heh
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: do you have some tumblr blog of photos of (what i assume are) eastern europeans who are weirdly out of place naked?
mircea_popescu: i just have friends.
mircea_popescu: and yes its mostly the czech republic
jborkl: Heh mp has pictures of slush naked
herbijudlestoids: i dun get it...your friends like to be naked at regular social events?
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meikkuNmB41ru15g3o1_1280.jpg jborkl there you go.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What is so hard to believe?
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/four-arrested-in-connection-with-philip-seymour-hoffman-1516487250
ozbot: Four Arrested in Connection With Philip Seymour Hoffman's Death
mircea_popescu: whoa
KRS-One: Looks like a fat dyke convention.
mircea_popescu: foul play ?!
mircea_popescu: KRS-One he wanted slush
KRS-One: Probably smells kind of like fish there.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1illeX1ba1qkm9pho1_1280.jpg
pankkake: only one nipple pierced, that always drives me crazy
KRS-One: hahaa
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: its not that i disbelieve, just not sure i understand
jborkl: Lol, Santa is creeping me out
pankkake: how dare you not be symmetrical
nubbins`: pankkake: many women do this out of concern for future breastfeeding
KRS-One: pankkake theres a word for that..doesnt mean its bad one way or the other
pankkake: nubbins`: oh…
BingoBoingo: Tis the problem with the TSR model. DEA gets all of the meta-NSA tools and the imagination to do parallel reconstruction
KRS-One: haha drinking pabst blue ribbon beer
nubbins`: idea is that the fistula formed when the piercing heals can clog milk ducts
mircea_popescu: piercings don't hurt lactation wtf is that ?!
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Would you yourself rather wear clothes or not wear clothes?
nubbins`: this has been documented
mircea_popescu: really ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: granted, there are a lot of milk ducts, maybe a dozen or so if i'm not mistaken
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu nubbins`:ONly if tard operate the needles.
Vexual: there might be other forces at play here
nubbins`: but apparently it causes problems frequently enough that it's advised against doing both
jborkl: Wtf , this is going downhill
nubbins`: plus, babby's teeth
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Altcoin is going down?
nubbins`: or gums, i guess
nubbins`: don't want him swallowing a barbell
mircea_popescu: nubbins` obviously you take them off
Vexual: did they sompare other life choices of the pierced?
mircea_popescu: kind-of why i think it improbable, the breast changes a lot during pregnancy
nubbins`: obviously you don't feed your kid poutine for its first meal
nubbins`: but people do anyway
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: WHy not?
BingoBoingo: It's like babyy poridge?
nubbins`: because it's too healthy
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: Lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, no irl tits are actually symmetrical.
pankkake: nor are faces, but it's not as bothering
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: Faces could be bothering on the Sarah Jessica Parker ass end of asymmetrical
nubbins`: most people's shoulders aren't even symmetrical
nubbins`: dominant side is generally higher
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mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megcvjf8JE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: and blade sticks out differently
nubbins`: hahaha skipper on the right
mircea_popescu: totally awesome pic
mircea_popescu: you can even tell where in france it is
pankkake: OMG. http://i.imgur.com/u9oR6xD.png
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: depends on the weather :D
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nubbins`: pankkake, HEH
pankkake: google images is getting good
mircea_popescu: you never knew ms horseface ?
nubbins`: i like it when customized content *just* falls short
Vexual: i think they might wait for the next bus
pankkake: isn't ms horseface julia roberts?
pankkake: but yeah she's a horse too
nubbins`: got an ad on my facebook feed once for long-distance plans, some rasta saying "call ya bredren dem for free"
nubbins`: "warmer, facebook... warmer..."
benkay: they even got the grammar correct my my
nubbins`: maybe the most relevant thing i've ever read on the site
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You use facebook?
benkay: BingoBoingo: have you heard of Tinder?
benkay: the kids need computers to just have sex these days
nubbins`: yeah, it's like that bar all your friends used to hang out at, but now your extended family is there too
BingoBoingo: benkay: yes I have.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13172 @ 0.00093446 = 12.3087 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's tinder ?
benkay: so i actually moved back into the neighborhood in which i grew up.
nubbins`: benkay, :(
BingoBoingo: benkay: It's like I go to the bar with all of these friends with smartphones. They fuck around on tinder and I just follow the golden rule of Tits bigger than ass. THen they get jelly.
benkay: no its great nubbins
nubbins`: then :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tinder is like Grindr but not for homos.
mircea_popescu: uh
nubbins`: the neighbourhood i grew up is all old people now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ass bigger than tits.
benkay: i like being a part of a family story in a physical location that's endured for a little bit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Whiskey vision.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Drunk enough to know I can't be on IRC vision.
BingoBoingo: Perspective gets a bit... distorted
nubbins`: Chief Executive Officer of Tinder, Sean Rad, said, "the word ‘dating’ doesn't even mean shit to us. What does that even mean?”[
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: mister rad
mircea_popescu: me on irc a coupla days ago : "hey, what were your tits/ass measures ?" "40 and 38. why ?" "because mansfield was 40 35"
BingoBoingo: So a person barely aware of self awareness must... compensate
mircea_popescu: so i guess you're right, tits bigger than ass it is.
Vexual: BingoBoingo: shut one eye
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Mack me
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he has a point tho. i never dated.
nubbins`: nor i
nubbins`: this isn't the 50s
nubbins`: "wanna go steady"
BingoBoingo: I dated, it was horrible. Fucking was much better.
mircea_popescu: in romanian you'd "ask for a girl's friendship" in the 50s
mircea_popescu: basically... asking for a friendzone ?
lippoper: S
lippoper: A
lippoper: S
lippoper: S
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Why aren't you pumpin Altcoin yet?
lippoper: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m18psqC2Xg1qgs3vvo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: he got hired by Max Failser, that's why
mircea_popescu: he be pumpin' that maxcoin nao
nubbins`: "At Least 50 Couples Have Gotten Engaged Thanks To Red-Hot Hook-Up App Tinder"
Vexual: i don't take keister coin
benkay: but you do take coin in the kiester!
mircea_popescu: ajaja
BingoBoingo: What is even the mining stroke for KeiserCoin?
benkay: up...
benkay: and down.
benkay: up...
benkay: and down.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 30 second blocks
mircea_popescu: that shoud be a riot.
nubbins`: no, up only
nubbins`: endless pull-out
nubbins`: Max Forkser
mod6: pump.... and dump!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So GHCQ should squash it in good order with their SYN shit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the 512 second block altchains die out in about 10 days,
mircea_popescu: when people are done mining the juciest blocks and move on
mircea_popescu: a 30 second block chain should be exhausted in about... a day.
BingoBoingo: I really need to make that MD4 coin...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45763 @ 0.00093637 = 42.8511 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: you might wanna close both eyes
BingoBoingo: Max difficulty within the first hour. It would actually be a useful experiment in how BTC would handle a catastrophic break of SHA-256
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7887 @ 0.00093802 = 7.3982 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: good point
BingoBoingo: Thank you Vexual
benkay: except we've seen coins get diff-pinned before.
mircea_popescu: ironically, i think btc would be thje safest
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly
mircea_popescu: cause watched pot and not *really* that much benefit
mircea_popescu: various other things, such as banking, however...
mircea_popescu: owch.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't wanna be a tech lead for any bank when sha cracks.
mircea_popescu: tbh i imagine the security people wake up screaming once a month cause of this]
benkay: we're all security people now.
BingoBoingo: Do banks even use SHA-1 yet? Is that "approved" for them?
mircea_popescu: benkay no i mean specifically, it sec consultants for banks with major customer facing interfaces
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure.
BingoBoingo: I ask because more consumers were injured in the target hack than will probably ever hold BTC
mircea_popescu: http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0154244/microsoft-warns-customers-away-from-rc4-and-sha-1
ozbot: Microsoft Warns Customers Away From RC4 and SHA-1 - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: just for lolz
Vexual: gates is audi for real now
BingoBoingo: I need to come up with something Slashdot worthy. Unless someone else wants to start pumping my Altcoin artile at 07:00 UTC
benkay: your 15 minutes of fame have passed, BingoBoingo.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]
Plaxant: BingoBoingo I'm surprised r/baseball didn't like the link I posted
BingoBoingo: benkay: You dedicated Lispers assume one Macro is enough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Plaxant: I will hurt them again. Oncce pitchers and catchers report.
benkay: i'm nowhere near enough of a lisper to catch your ref, B
benkay: BingoBoingo ^^
BingoBoingo: Shame there is no World Baseball Classic this year. Netherlands and Puerto Rico made me a lot of worth much less BTC last year.
benkay: BingoBoingo: do you use a dedicated bitbet address?
BingoBoingo: benkay: The code of one input one output.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Actually I force myself to use several Bitbet addresses
BingoBoingo: I only advertise the 1lvcunts as belonging to myself but superficial shit can reveal three moar.
benkay: well on an entirely different topic
BingoBoingo: Deeper analysis can reveal 8 addresses used that go back to me. Deeper still analysis and you need drugs
Plaxant: BingoBoingo drugs should always be needed
Vexual: i hope nubbins' puts a few illustrated blockchain pages in his book, or a whole encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: Plaxant: Drugs lik everything else should need consent.
pankkake: I like to have the same address, but I bet more for fun and pride
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what do you care about ./ anyway
herbijudlestoids: hahahaha
herbijudlestoids: http://www.hhspn.com/dmx-george-zimmerman-celebrity-boxing-match-confirmed-rapper-dmx-vs-george-zimmerman/
herbijudlestoids: anyone seen that southpark episode about zimmeman
mircea_popescu: "My @YouTube career was born in my bedroom. @Google was born in @SusanWojcicki's garage. Big dreams have humble beginnings "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00477642 = 0.1672 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's kind of a rush.I missed most of the actual action when I made it the first time driving into the Icy north.
mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is insanity.
benkay: herbijudlestoids if you ever link an autoplaying video again i will straight murder your face
herbijudlestoids: benkay: apologies. i have all my plugins to only load on click
benkay: jesus twitter
Vexual: hey herbi, schapeele might be getting out on the weekend, dya think abbot can fuck up her chances by then?
herbijudlestoids: Vexual: going on abbotts current track record?
Vexual: even money huh?
herbijudlestoids: plus the potential embarrasment for customs?
herbijudlestoids: id say so :P
herbijudlestoids: or i should say, it wouldnt surprise me
Vexual: war might wait til monday
herbijudlestoids: benkay: do you really let flash and whatnot just load in browser with no control?
BingoBoingo: ^^
herbijudlestoids: i got noscript, adblock, ad blocking /etc/hosts with ~15,000 hosts blocked...and i still dont let flash or java load unless i click it
benkay: congratulations, you obviously don't operate in derpy web application zone land.
BingoBoingo: Why not jsut use lynx?
mod6: lynx++
herbijudlestoids: benkay: derpy web applications dont break if you enable "click to load" on plugins...
benkay: hahaha
benkay: oh
benkay: ho ho ho ho ho
benkay: you have obviously spent much time debugging legacy javascript
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00042042 = 0.8408 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 290 @ 0.00501256 = 1.4536 BTC [-] {13}
herbijudlestoids: also zone land is a tautology :P
benkay: language is poetry.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: What about Mario Zone?
nubbins`: receipt receipt
benkay: not programming.
BingoBoingo: We should make AltLang
BingoBoingo: Make it super Meta
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2013 @ 0.00042 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4}
herbijudlestoids: benkay: so...youre saying that legacy javascript, breaks, if you enable "click to load" on, say, flash?
herbijudlestoids: oookkkk
BingoBoingo: We will basically jsut change all of the labels on steelbank common lisp and offer it as an improvement on Javascript. Even give it a cute Doge pic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 121 @ 0.00475971 = 0.5759 BTC [-] {12}
benkay: i have learned the hard way to remove sources of indeterminacy from my stack
benkay: mystery browser plugins are a source of indeterminacy.
benkay: they always want to do crazy shit to the dom.
herbijudlestoids: ? which mystery browser plugin
benkay: isolate isolate isolate
herbijudlestoids: yo, you realise its a native feature in chrome and firefox right
nubbins`: herbijudlestoids, all the ones you listed
BingoBoingo: Altlang is going to be best lang
nubbins`: altlang syne
herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: the extensions i listed have nothing to do with "Click to Load" which is a native feature of modern browsers...
BingoBoingo: All this alpha shit is my garage is gonna go to the moon!
benkay: so then client relations - i want to demo a thing with the UX flow a client spent an ungodly amount of money on. i'm not going to ruin my demo with my personal settings.
herbijudlestoids: what i said precisely was that even despite those extensions, i still use click to load
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benkay: in any event
benkay: this is a stupid discussion.
herbijudlestoids: maybe...im just incredulous
herbijudlestoids: cant believe people let plugins load auto
nubbins`: you are alone in your incredulity
benkay: yeah man
benkay: people just run java web apps all the time
benkay: what phone book of actual use story memos did you miss?
BingoBoingo: Because if it isn't niggers.txt, angles.txt, or saxons.txt it itsn't worth reading?
nubbins`: -assetsQuarterly.txt
nubbins`: some of the bash quotes, though funny, aren't fun to draw
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benkay: #49 is one of the better ones
herbijudlestoids: i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered
benkay: i want to see an illustration of vexual on the internet by accident
pankkake: don't forget to draw him upside down
ThickAsThieves: eccentricity gives +Agility
pankkake: also Australia
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You just aren't acclimated yet.
pankkake: I agree with herbijudlestoids
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You have serious potential to stay, but you need to depressurize the space suit and embrrace it.
herbijudlestoids: yeah, id prefer to ask questions than accept :)
benkay: breathe the hard vacuum of bitcoin
herbijudlestoids: i didnt come here to join an echo chamber, but i do try to keep an open mind and ask questions
benkay: bathe in the sweet sterilizing rays of non-dilutable currency
herbijudlestoids: i actually stayed because it seems like people are willing to answer those questions to a level that satisfies me
herbijudlestoids: (even if i disagree)
benkay: disagreement is the heart of discourse
herbijudlestoids: ^
benkay: it'd be boring if we all agreed all the time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I agree
pankkake: NO
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: The first rule of IRC is if it acts the way you anticipated something is wronger
benkay: unless freenode is under ddos
herbijudlestoids: what kind of dicks ddos freenode anyway, i want to know
BingoBoingo: benkay: But that is GHCQBBQOMGWTF
benkay: who cares
benkay: it's a fact of life
herbijudlestoids: well, if its JTRIG, i want to know
benkay: beyond my pay grade, mate
nubbins`: i accept it
ThickAsThieves: the Brits did it right?
nubbins`: let the s be dd if it wishes
mircea_popescu: <herbijudlestoids> i gotta say, im used to hanging out with opinionated geeks, but yall have some of the weirdest forced opinions iv encountered << bs. nobody here has any opinions.
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mircea_popescu: THEY BE FACTS
BingoBoingo: RichardSherman.txt
nubbins`: i actually opine fairly often
jayk: lol
nubbins`: usually right tho
nubbins`: so
BingoBoingo: Aka why the superbowl was as boring as fuck
jayk: he sprained his ankle
jayk: sherman was visible upset he wasn't able to show off
jayk: or run his mouf
jayk: got carted off the field ...
mircea_popescu: and now for the real reason herbijudlestoids' decided to stay : http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meelc8j3t01ru15g3o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: jayk: Shut yout mouth. When he was on the field he crippled Denver, they coudn't dar to try going long.
jayk: i live in seattle we had a parade today, 750K showed up
jayk: seattle police only expected about 300 maybe 350K
jayk: sherman didn't do much during the superbowl and got injured :P
the20year2: what parade?
jayk: for the seahawks
the20year2: oh nice
the20year2: they deserve it
jayk: biggest event ever in the history of seattle
the20year2: Good for them
BingoBoingo: jayk: He did everything the first 3 and 1/3 quarters.
benkay: bread and circuses.
BingoBoingo: jayk: What about Ken Griffey Jr.
jayk: bigger than the worlds fair
jayk: bigger than ken griffey
jayk: bigger than any baseball game
BingoBoingo: jayk: I dunno... How many stereos did da union take during Stl's 2011 world series parades...
jayk: well i meant just for seattle
jayk: sorry :)
jayk: i didn't go specifically because people are probably still trying to get home..
BingoBoingo: jayk: It's ok. You can have this totally unwatchable superbowl (for denver reasons)
jayk: a lot of people turned it off 3/4's into it
jayk: i was reading about ad placement and the 3/4 time spot was supposed to be the hottest
mircea_popescu: how did the ad numbers look ?
jayk: which was where the placed the longest commercial at 2 minutes
jayk: dunno
ThickAsThieves: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/
ozbot: New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica
ThickAsThieves: (BFL)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ads got sold for a lot and were seen little
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10111 @ 0.00093383 = 9.442 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo %s vs last year ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't see an alternative. I went to bed after half time. The game was so poorly matched.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00093268 = 0.6426 BTC [-]
jayk: that's going to get ugly
mircea_popescu: was just curious what teh ppl report themselves. afaik it was a complete disaster and probably the turning point for the entire sport
mircea_popescu: but hey.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10466666 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I appreciate that as a competitor a great game is humiliating the competition. As a spectator though. I honestly prefer what the BCS offered, an exciting game won as an accident of time.
jayk: i didnt know there was a BFL scam list
BingoBoingo: For the college championsip 10 seconds either way on the clock would have changed the win. This Winning by everything sort of game should be a forgetable regular season game.
jayk: wow i was getting ready to possibly pay them some monies :(
BingoBoingo: jayk: If you want I mining bond I can offer you BTC equivalent to 0.0125 ml of natural gas per day.
jayk: oh?
BingoBoingo: Of course, I can sell 10 of those mining bonds.
jayk: once this shell fish ban on china passes i can go back to selling them at $50/lb
jayk: have you seen those things?
jayk: i live on an island
jayk: rich in clams
Vexual: whats that jayk?
jayk: biggest clam in the world
jayk: geoducks are 5lb clams
Vexual: you grow clams?
BingoBoingo: Geoduck?
jayk: maybe 8lb if you get lucky
jayk: nope i dig them
BingoBoingo: Is that a pokeman?
jayk: no
jayk: i guess i could say i "mine" them
jayk: hehehe
Vexual: where do you sell them?
jayk: restaurants or dry ice over seas
Vexual: into china?
Mats_cd03: mmm clams
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14811 @ 0.00093268 = 13.8139 BTC [-]
jayk: http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022464264_shellfishbanxml.html
jayk: they are breeding them now, they were worthless 20 years ago
ozbot: Geoduck industry fighting China’s shellfish-import ban | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
BingoBoingo: Fuck, when does bobsled start, or luge. Betting on hockey is boring.
Vexual: you just dhl em over on ice?
jayk: dhl moved out of usa
jayk: but yes
jayk: as a kid i could dig 200lbs in an hour
jayk: i didnt know any better and threw them into the garden as fertilizer
jayk: for tomato plants
Vexual: wheres an agrucultural scientician when you need em huh?
jayk: lol
mircea_popescu: jayk mmm clams.
Vexual: there he is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9932 @ 0.00092985 = 9.2353 BTC [-]
jayk: oh
jayk: they are tasty in pesto sauce
herbijudlestoids: mmm pesto
Vexual: how do they eat them in china?
jayk: idk
mircea_popescu: no clam chowder ?
jayk: clam chowder is a lot of work to make
Vexual: how much copper nitrate can they cope with? :)
nubbins`: clam chowder isn't too bad prep-wis
nubbins`: e
nubbins`: lot of separate ingredients to buy, but it's a single-pot meal
jayk: 3hours?
jayk: potatoes take a long time
nubbins`: not 3 hours
nubbins`: 20-30 minutes spread over 3 hours
nubbins`: that's like saying sourdough is a lot of work because it takes 8 hours to make 2 loaves
jayk: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [+]
jayk: nobody wants to wait for their delicious chowder ow...
nubbins`: i'll spend 3-4 hours cooking a meal several days per week
Vexual: lets get nigella in for the brochure, she will have a 20 minute version
nubbins`: the other day, i simmered a dozen sausages in a pot of pasta sauce for an hour and a half ;(
jayk: i have never made it though i have been thinking about it
nubbins`: the only problem is that it's a costly meal because you have to buy so many different types of seafood
Vexual: yes, its so china
jayk: i could get the clams for free
nubbins`: but you get a huge pot of it afterwards
jayk: the ground has been so cold here i bet my potatoes are still hard from last year
nubbins`: i cellared a few sacks of potatoes today
cazalla: is it even worth your time to grow potatoes?
jayk: yes
cazalla: i grow stuff i can't pick up at the fruit shop
nubbins`: cazalla: again, it's not much effort
nubbins`: it's just spread over a long period of time
jayk: i probably have 1000lbs in the ground or more
cazalla: not so much the effort but the space they take up
jayk: they are easy to grow
nubbins`: you can grow potatoes in containers, it's what i've done
nubbins`: tall wicker baskets, even a burlap sack
nubbins`: or go fancy and spend $20 on lumber to build a potato box
cazalla: i've read you can grow them vertically but i've also read people posting that it doesn't work
jayk: i tried to grow onions but my ducks trampeled over them
nubbins`: get 100lbs of potatoes out of it
Vexual: do you pick 100 or 1000 lbs by hand?
jayk: yes with shovel
cazalla: my tomatoes have been shit this year, constant heat wave has just ruined them
jayk: i only picked about 50lbs
nubbins`: the deck wouldn't support 1000, it's rickety
nubbins`: my tomatoes were pretty good this year
nubbins`: the broccoli all bolted when i was away for two weeks
jayk: a dear destroyed all my tomatoes
Vexual: my mangoes were stellar
jayk: next year i will use fencing
jayk: or guns
nubbins`: armed sentries
nubbins`: farmed sentries
cazalla: sentry would be sweet
Vexual: i sent an email to batman and no fruitbats came within a mile
nubbins`: oh, peas
nubbins`: i had so many goddamn peas this year
nubbins`: well, last year
nubbins`: forgot it's feb ;(
Vexual: now thats a nice thing to eat very fresh is peas
cazalla: summer is almost over here so i'll be looking forward to winter for the snow peas
jayk: mmm peas are so good
jayk: can eat them all day
nubbins`: yeah
Vexual: mmm snowpeas
nubbins`: i tried sugar sprint peas this year
nubbins`: really tasty
nubbins`: really fast too
nubbins`: http://myfolia.com/plants/1045-snap-pea-pisum-sativum-var-macrocarpon/varieties/4626-sugar-sprint
cazalla: do you need a trellis for those
ozbot: Snap pea 'Sugar Sprint' Plant Care & Growing Information | folia
nubbins`: i used bamboo rods, sorta worked
nubbins`: trellis would be better
nubbins`: or even several rods per pot, teepee style
nubbins`: grew 'em in empty 2L milk containers
Vexual: excellent food delivered world wide by jet and all bitcoin should be a thing
nubbins`: drone delivery
herbijudlestoids: harrrrrrrrr
herbijudlestoids: fucken cunts
herbijudlestoids: i work, with fucken cunts
nubbins`: this type of milk container, if the top is fully opened, is just deep enough for peas and easy to move by hand: http://www.scotsburn.com/images/Prducts/Calcium/UltrSKM.jpg
nubbins`: herb, quit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00092695 = 23.9617 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: i own a chunk of the company, dont want to quit
herbijudlestoids: i want them to spend money on servers and switching instead of conferences and meetpus
mircea_popescu: jesus! so all my life i was of the opinion i can identify diabethics, because i smell it on their breath. bunches of people thought this nutty.
nubbins`: sweet
mircea_popescu: talking to doctor person today i find out that a. in diabethics the body uses a lot of fat, creating a lot of ketones
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: ketoacidosis?
herbijudlestoids: yea
mircea_popescu: which eventually decarboxylate into acetone
mircea_popescu: which eventually gets lost through respiration.
mircea_popescu: (the guy asks me "well, what does it smell like ?" "apples" "but ofcourse. you're smelling acetone.")
Vexual: something clever
mircea_popescu: never fucking doubt what you know!
herbijudlestoids: or just google to confirm :P
herbijudlestoids: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000320.htm
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
nubbins`: incidentally, this is where the whole "huffing on your fingernails before rubbing them on your lapel" thing came from
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids don't work with cunts. you play any poker ?
herbijudlestoids: i dont play poker
Namworld: You guys should see Bitfinex right now.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mkay. anyway, the idea is you ditch a hand when you know it can't win, not when you're comfortable with the loss.
Namworld: Someone managed to put a micro ask order for 500 USD/BTC and a bid for 10000 USD/BTC, which are now stuck there.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex still exists ?!
Namworld: Let's just say it's breaking having on the shorts/calls
Namworld: Yes. I was talking about it last month
mircea_popescu: how do all the scams keep going about like fucking zombies i'll never know./
Namworld: Saying how it was lasting a long time while I expected it to go under within a month.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if i didnt think the company was about to grow by about 1000% i wouldnt be working here :)
Namworld: Mircea, there's a lot of people trading on Bitfinex.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a ok then. you don't REALLY think they're cunts huh.
nubbins`: well if it's gonna do that, fuck the servers and switching ;p
nubbins`: go to 2x as many "meetups"
mircea_popescu: Namworld sucks for them i guess.
Namworld: They can be seen on the Bitcoin price/market/speculation channels. Lot of people short/call on there.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: theyre cunts because i should be in charge and everyone should listen to me and do as i say but they dont
Namworld: I'm on like 20 BTC related channels, watching
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids kinda proves they shouldn't.
cazalla: tickles my ego when i know what mircea_popescu is going to say before it's said
mircea_popescu: cazalla :)
herbijudlestoids: let me clarify. they are not cunts, until something goes wrong in exactly the way that i predicted if we went down a particular path
herbijudlestoids: then, they are cunts.
mircea_popescu: tell them :D
herbijudlestoids: oh i do!
mircea_popescu: what do they say ?
herbijudlestoids: mostly that things are the way they are
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you an altcoin this thing isn't growing 1000% in three months.
Vexual: hey im at this luch, sounds like a good idea
nubbins`: ^
herbijudlestoids: 3-6 months is actually the timeframe
mircea_popescu: take it or leave it :D
nubbins`: just think your very own altcoin
nubbins`: you could call it herbijudlestoidscoin
mircea_popescu: that you can now owe :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nono, i meant tat's thing
mircea_popescu: one of them
Vexual: can't owe for a lunch
nubbins`: i know ;(
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know, i'm developing a serious problem with that.
mircea_popescu: people keep knowing what i'm gonna say and say it first just to spite me
mircea_popescu: im gonna borrow Vexual's chainz just to mess with people.
Vexual: um, yeah, sure
cazalla: i wouldn't do that, i see at as evidence i'm actually learning something
cazalla: it*
nubbins`: don't mess with the man's jewelry
Vexual: yeah its ok
Vexual: i guess
Vexual: im not here for a haircut
nubbins`: who is?! buy clippers
herbijudlestoids: i think after my company gets bought out im gonna just try and find some small/simple linux sysadmin work
Vexual: a spoonful of cement perhaps
nubbins`: http://dpaste.com/1587985/
ozbot: dpaste: #1587985
nubbins`: lel
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids why not find some small/simple sex work ?
mircea_popescu: like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: or giving out handies for bitcents
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: im probly far less qualified? and i love working as a linux sysadmin on small projects?
herbijudlestoids: im sick of this scale shit
herbijudlestoids: running thousands of cores
Vexual: quit
herbijudlestoids: soon :)
herbijudlestoids: well, not quit, but buyout
Vexual: but the cunts remain
herbijudlestoids: i just have one last extremely large cloud to build
herbijudlestoids: maybe ill even get a job in a bookstore or something nice and simple like that
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe you could work for mr bookman.
Vexual: ill do your tax
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: thats two seinfeld quotes, fan? i grew up watching it
herbijudlestoids: "its european" and "mr bookman"
mircea_popescu: i probably watched each episode twenty times.
Vexual: it was all that was on television here for 10 years
herbijudlestoids: :D do you like curb your enthusiasm?
herbijudlestoids: lol vex yea
mircea_popescu: i never watched that.
herbijudlestoids: woah what!
Vexual: trilema
mircea_popescu: o nm, i did watch five minutes of it. larry david is being awkward while a girlscout selling him cookies gets her period.
mircea_popescu: it sounds way better in that summary than it actually was.
nubbins`: ^
herbijudlestoids: i always grew up thinking each of the seinfeld characters has their own special quirks
herbijudlestoids: but then i watched curb your enthusiasm and realised they are all just bits of larry david
mircea_popescu: nah.
herbijudlestoids: yah
mircea_popescu: i would say larry david's contribution into the show is roughly represented by his total pay.
mircea_popescu: he made what, like 50mn to seinfeld's 1bn ?
herbijudlestoids: ? his net worth is 750mn
Vexual: im sending chapelle corby the seinfeld box
Namworld: [23:19] <mircea_popescu> like teaching a bunch of teenagers to enjoy walking naked about town ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unrelated but possibly relevant to you: http://www.notanon.com/zipit/different-linux-distributions-for-the-zipit-z2/2010/05/30/
Namworld: I'd be all for lifting ban on lack of clothing everywhere.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: $ 20 or so.
jayk: wasn't mr bookman allergic to kamers shirt?
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sochi-security-airlines-warned-of-explosive-toothpaste-tube-threat-1.2524948
ozbot: Sochi security: Airlines warned of explosive toothpaste tube threat - World - CBC News
nubbins`: you'll need to be unconscious and naked to fly within 10 years, just saying
herbijudlestoids: cuntbreak over, back to cunting
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab nubbins'
mircea_popescu: Namworld hardly worth doing without the ban.
Namworld: I don't see why. It's supposed to be done strictly to go against the rules?
mircea_popescu: Namworld i generally don't want to see random people naked.
mircea_popescu: i want to see specific people naked and that's all.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the awkwardness and disability of the general folk the ban supports and nourishes serves as an adequate representation of their general mental and social inferiority.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00302999 = 0.606 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.0009263 = 28.0206 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: Oh, I'd certainly prefer to only see specific people moving around naked and others not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00302999 = 0.303 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so then there you go. ban serves a useful purpose.
Vexual: what kinda lead time can i expect for a vespa with vex on the numberplate in romania?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00303 = 0.606 BTC [+]
Namworld: I would be okay if the ban simply wasn't there at all. Simply because it's silly.
mircea_popescu: Vexual i have no idea. a few weeks /
Vexual: the plate neednt be actual
mircea_popescu: Namworld many silly things are required for society to function.
Namworld: Perhaps. But is that really required for society to function?
Vexual: food
Vexual: and the odd sensible person
drstevebrule: is that chat about bitcoin markets? because BFX is fucked right now
Namworld: I was mentioning that earlier.
drstevebrule: if not, what channel do I go to? cause this is a shit show
Vexual: what of your life boat seteve?
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/deer-droppings-lead-to-artistic-protest-in-penticton-1.2523625
ozbot: Deer droppings lead to artistic protest in Penticton - British Columbia - CBC News
Vexual: shit that looks like the lamb that brought the fear
nubbins`: well, doctor, this is as good a place as any to voice your displeasure
nubbins`: Vexual, it makes me feel funny
drstevebrule: I told you guys, Im relaxing in my life boat, everyone is starting to really scramble for one now
nubbins`: that's a lovely wooden stand it's on, though
Vexual: ug the stand is too two dimensional
nubbins`: deers can't stand on curved surfaces
nubbins`: you're thinking goats
mircea_popescu: drstevebrule say wut ?
mircea_popescu: o, bitfinex ? dude, srsly, it was identified as a scam a while back, what did you think ?
nubbins`: http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2011/11/02/deer_duck_caught.gif
Namworld: Was it?
mircea_popescu: is that your prime minister nubs ?
drstevebrule: every exchange is on crack these days, you can't win haha
nubbins`: the duck? he resigned
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140484.0 Namworld
nubbins`: this is our new prime minister: http://25.media.tumblr.com/50a526a5ec7fd316c4d93142d5f849a2/tumblr_ml9mz7em0Z1qem0zfo1_500.gif
ozbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.04999554 = 0.6999 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: are we allowed vimeo?
nubbins`: sure, why not
nubbins`: http://peripateticbone.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ba3.jpg
drstevebrule: BFX seems hacked right now, there is a 10,000 bid that is making me take out more margin then I should actually be allowed to take out
drstevebrule: its a shit show
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00092702 = 32.3066 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: Oh... I wouldn't as much label it as a scam than incompetence. Although does the distinction between the two really matter? Same result.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the distinction matters practically.
Namworld: But yeah
Namworld: Yes, it's pretty funny, DrSteve
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3hBCrgRJU
ozbot: KOSHEEN - "GONE" - YouTube
drstevebrule: that is a really nice painting of our prime minister...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00092947 = 4.5079 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: drstevebrule this isn't the first time with them, either. one of the two kids split a few months ago, he had a lot of dirt to share re his friend
mircea_popescu: somehow tho, people never do much research.
Namworld: There's only one "Gone" video for me... this remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4
drstevebrule: well I didn't do much research, maybe I should hang out here more. I hope I don't get ripped off
mircea_popescu: you probably will, as in general i've noticed people join here after being ripped off.
mircea_popescu: befre, they're kings of all matters financial.
drstevebrule: haha don't say that, i was not ripped off yet
Vexual: yeah ive redirected you subscrip[tion to bears monthly
Vexual: not relly
mircea_popescu: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?443247-Think-you-know-everything-bitcoin-Meet-Mircea-Popescu-of-Romania&p=5403853
mircea_popescu: now i know i've made it.
nubbins`: Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJqo90lNYLs
nubbins`: you can mute if you like
Vexual: i can handle it
ozbot: Think you know everything bitcoin? Meet Mircea Popescu of Romania
Vexual: welcome to yesterday
drstevebrule: wow, i really am not good enough to be here. fuck - sorry guys
mircea_popescu: and now it's time for...
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cajcEZ5Z-x8
ozbot: Animaniacs - Nighty Night Toons - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1179 = 0.2358 BTC [-]
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGaio87u3A
ozbot: Deepest Mandelbrot Set Zoom Animation ever - a New Record 10^275 (2.1E275 or 2^915) - YouTube
nubbins`: i actually had to turn it off
Vexual: quite deep
Vexual: points for goa trance
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4khelsQ8LdQ
ozbot: Aeon Flux - The Complete Animated Collection Trailer - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00092681 = 10.0095 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m741ce4H5a1qcq2olo1_500.jpg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: with info i dumped today I limited the population that coul be me to even rather naive lusers to 1
Vexual: you forgot to sa ratio
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_pS46YRMIQ
ozbot: Die Antwoord - Zef Side. - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Finite things have answers in the world that aren't numbers though
Vexual: tell my oncologist
BingoBoingo: Vexual: methotrexate
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs
ozbot: Seeed: Aufstehn - (official Video) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4196 @ 0.00092614 = 3.8861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00092033 = 10.0776 BTC [-]
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6ofgKjuGo
ozbot: Die Antwoord - I Don't Need You (Unofficial) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: You self chemo yet?
Vexual: no
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2323 @ 0.0030001 = 6.9692 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes damn
Mats_cd03: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 1.9bln views
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00458895 = 0.1285 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00458894 = 0.2157 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: Do you know the consequences of having bids at 10000 and asks at 500 bugged on the orderbook? All shorts/margins are considered in the profits massively. And you can just margin to the max based on fake profits. Apparently.
Namworld: And run your account into the red when the actual last price makes shorts/calls execute.
Namworld: Someone put a screenshot in markets channel
Namworld: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png
Namworld: Or actually they don't get executed based on last price... not sure.
Namworld: Either way
Namworld: If whoever put those orders in there removes them... might cause a mass execute of all margin orders.
Namworld: Because it seems the current situation gives everyone on finex more or less infinite margin.
BingoBoingo: 45 minutes
herbijudlestoids: whats that sound that the quarry makes
herbijudlestoids: in flinstones at the end of the day
herbijudlestoids: that noise just went off in my head
herbijudlestoids: yabbadabbadoo
Bugpowder: So is gox finally imploding?
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: We can hope
Bugpowder: Just shut it down for the love of god
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: When dicks can eat themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086293 = 6.6877 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.11839999 = 0.592 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.11999999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12111111 = 1.09 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.12428571 = 0.87 BTC [+] {2}
herbijudlestoids: Namworld: any ideas how it happened?
herbijudlestoids: bug in the orderbook?
herbijudlestoids: poor matching system?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12666666 = 0.38 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.13045453 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: hey Bugpowder, long time no see
Bugpowder: yo
benkay: asssssses
benkay: whats up mah neeeeeg
herbijudlestoids: Bugpowder: there has certainly been some complaints on /r/BitCoin which i check once a week or so
Namworld: Bug in the orderbook. Someone managed to place a fucked order and it's stuck there, it seems.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012949 = 0.1295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 23 @ 0.005 = 0.115 BTC
benkay: vexual i didn't know you were a seeed fan
herbijudlestoids: Namworld: any indications why the order wasnt matched in auction correctly?
herbijudlestoids: or why the exch admins havent matched manually?
herbijudlestoids: how can there be any margin liquidations if the orderbook is broken :P
Namworld: Because something must be botched in the code and it doesn't work, obviously.
herbijudlestoids: not like they can clear any orders in the market on customers with margin calls
Namworld: Luk hiere, thangs ir bork'd op.
Namworld: Margin liquidation can happen on finex. People can withdraw LTC/BTC
Namworld: All numbers are borked up.
herbijudlestoids: how are the liquidations happening
herbijudlestoids: sorry if im pestering
Namworld: How would I freaking now?
Namworld: Code is borked is borked.
Namworld: Seems quite simple.
Namworld: It's the Bitopocalypse.
benkay: derpy web app developers match orders manually? don't make me laugh, herbijudlestoids
benkay: Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?
herbijudlestoids: short bitfinex on MPEX? :P
Namworld: We don't.
herbijudlestoids: ^
herbijudlestoids: do not get involved
herbijudlestoids: best risk/reward ratio
Namworld: I tested with a small amount. No orders/margins go through. Withdrawals occurs.
Namworld: I would guess wallet would have gone empty OR Bitstamp would have been crashed/pumped infinitely if people managed to exploit it.
herbijudlestoids: it doesnt make sense to me unless the exchange is flawed by design
herbijudlestoids: youre saying the wide orders placed in the book jammed it up
herbijudlestoids: margin liquidations happen into the orderbook
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Bitocolypse was 11 months ago
herbijudlestoids: if liquidations are happening without going into the market then the exchange is taking on liabilities which might not be available when the market returns at the correct volumes
kakobrekla: mornin
herbijudlestoids: hullo kako :)
herbijudlestoids: whats your 2c?
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 851.51234, Best ask: 853.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48766, Last trade: 853.0, 24 hour volume: 17904.66180588, 24 hour low: 801.0, 24 hour high: 933.51848, 24 hour vwap: 868.59757
kakobrekla: i need coffee
Namworld: kako
kakobrekla: m?
Namworld: Bitfinex huge derping
kakobrekla: gox stuck?
Namworld: Have a laugh this morning
Namworld: No, Bitfinex...
kakobrekla: hm
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: gox finally bleeds
herbijudlestoids: woah, the GHs/BTC price on cex.io has finally crashed too
Namworld: Someone managed to stuck a 10000 USD bid and a 500 USD ask that won't go away.
kakobrekla: wait isnt bitfinex just passing orders through
Namworld: So all margins, trades, etc are derping hard
kakobrekla: bah im outta power again
kakobrekla: mother fuckers
kakobrekla: later.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Cex was always scam
Namworld: Awww...
kakobrekla: brb asap
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: ? what do you mean? i thought the GHs/BTC price was always destined to go down, not a scam simply as a function of the ROI on 1GHs
herbijudlestoids: i been watching it since it was 0.18 lol
herbijudlestoids: if only you could short it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9267 @ 0.00082189 = 7.6165 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: scam on the Doge/Itallian style
herbijudlestoids: in the sense of, its not a good investment to put money into versus just holding BTC?
herbijudlestoids: sorry, im retarded
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: As in btter answer in 40 mins
herbijudlestoids: you gotta explain things real slow for retards
Mats_cd03: hes as clueless about what that means as you are
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: if his english wasnt inconsistently shite id wonder if BingoBoingo was an AI
herbijudlestoids: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/eff-challenges-new-jersey-subpoena-issued-mit-student-bitcoin-developers
ozbot: EFF Challenges New Jersey Subpoena Issued to MIT Student Bitcoin Developers | Electronic Frontier Fo
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00172845 = 0.8642 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: lol this is a pretty hilarious article
jayk: BingoBoingo
herbijudlestoids: "We explained to the New Jersey Attorney General that Tidbit's code as configured was incapable of mining for Bitcoins, meaning it could not provide much of the information requested in the subpoena. Plus, New Jersey had no jurisdiction to issue a subpoena to Rubin, who lived in Massachusetts, or Tidbit, which had no connections to New Jersey at all; the server housing the code is not located in New Jersey and Tid
jayk: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/2/4/5380284/richard-sherman-violently-owns-a-troll-on-twitter-with-lombardi-trophy
ozbot: Richard Sherman violently owns a troll on Twitter with Lombardi Trophy - SBNation.com
jayk: lol
jayk: he lost his twitter account ha ha
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03 Nikkers
KRS-One: Major bitfinex fuckup
KRS-One: Trading halted
herbijudlestoids: KRS-One: scroll up namworld has some screenshots and a small amt info
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Which fuckup counts nao?
Namworld: Old news, KRS
jayk: oh
benkay: Namworld herbijudlestoids how do we profit off of all this incompetence?
kakobrekla: that was fast.
Namworld: You apparently can't, benkay
kakobrekla: hehe
BingoBoingo: benkay: Looks like Richard sherman could use a few BJ's
benkay: buh kill ring
jayk: poor sherman
jayk: he's probably celebrated out
KRS-One: holy shits
KRS-One: this is messed up
BingoBoingo: jayk: He still kept Dever from going long all game. Dunno how a cornerback could be better, He owned that shit.
KRS-One: I shorted almost 1000 LTC since amost $21..now its what, $14?
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What scammed you nao? Doge?
jayk: they didn't talk about him though i was surprised
kakobrekla: how is it messed up, they have nice css
KRS-One: BingoBoingo: I only touch BTC/LTC.
BingoBoingo: jayk: The didn't need because he was good.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: If you touch LTC Goat touches you... at night... quietly...
kakobrekla: haha
KRS-One: Just my f'n luck..wonder if I'll wake up and LTC is $22
jayk: i should add a section to wiki with bold text face Peyten's Fumble
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 63 @ 0.4987529 = 31.4214 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: jayk: No reason, was a boring game
KRS-One: and yet tweens are doubling, tripling their money on cryptsy of all exchanges with "doggie" coin and I got thousands sitting here I cant touch.
jayk: it'll be in the reels though in future games and bloopers
jayk: He'll be known for this forever.
jayk: at the store today i talked about it with complete strangers
BingoBoingo: Some Nigga post this to Slashdot then we vote it immortal http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/04/memes-go-meta-altcoin-unveiled-this-past-weekend/#more-611
BingoBoingo: 'Cous Somalia
Namworld: Well one user posted this earlier: http://i.imgur.com/LdXwDlM.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2910 @ 0.00082988 = 2.415 BTC [+]
Namworld: It's a good condensed explanation.
Namworld: They say a picture is worth a thousand word after all.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: I will still loan for your tumor and revenge as collateral.
BingoBoingo: Goat kind of ruined the market though with the scam lambo
Namworld: Tumor and revenge as collateral?
Namworld: What?
benkay: scam lambo? what?
BingoBoingo: Namworld: I'll give you that roughly 300 btc if you can perfectly surgically extract a lobe of your lung. Remember. Nao ignore. DO better or be a bit hobo.
BingoBoingo: benkay: GOat's lambo. Made of pure filtered scam.
benkay: in that paid for with scam or doctored photos?
BingoBoingo: Goat is maybe 3 degrees warmer than thermos.
BingoBoingo: Goat is such scam.
BingoBoingo: I am glad I dun let drunk me know cold storage addresses because 12 years a Goat would get an Oscar.
herbijudlestoids: uh oh
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo did you put another bottle of vodka in ur butt again
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Doesn't matter I am 30 miles from the nearest person with the right to care.
BingoBoingo: Also I take my vodka in the mouth. And I regret that traitorous Kentucky existed.
Namworld: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/bitfinex/USD
ozbot: bitcoinity.org/markets
Namworld: Courtesy lolcode
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Was nevar a thing
Namworld: Bitfinex had a brain fart.
herbijudlestoids: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-05/argentine-banking-system-archives-destroyed-deadly-fire
ozbot: Argentine Banking System Archives Destroyed By Deadly Fire | Zero Hedge
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Ain't deadly with a body count
Namworld: That zerohedge article... it's gonna be good... in a sad sad way. I can feel it.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Zeroedge is worse than Business insider, except they can know it.
benkay: wow they actually murdered people to cover up the bank malfeasance
BingoBoingo: Does Open Genera need money? Who would donate to tit?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Does cause 'Murica sound familar?
Namworld: https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/
ozbot: Order book - Bitstamp
Namworld: Well I haven't seen such an orderbook in a while.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: mandingo fight?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I have like, never wanted to enter a three month coma before like ever in my short ass life.
BingoBoingo: I blame the Cipher Anglo Trannie
BingoBoingo: For promoting scams
Namworld: What are you talking about? I don't have a clue what all you're saying is supposed to be about.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Forum less, read moar.
Namworld: I barely use the forum.
BingoBoingo: Namworld: At least start with Aristotle's physics. That makes Altcoins special kind of purty.
BingoBoingo: I doubt I could hate White people more than BTC pushes me to.
BingoBoingo: I'd hate green people moar, but
Namworld: Are you on drugs right now? Each line seems either incoherent or unrelated to the previous one, more or less.
herbijudlestoids: is there any demand for physical wallets?
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Each next line seems more coherent than your last. Am I beating you on some sort on glacier sense olympics?
herbijudlestoids: cold storage wallets i mean
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Quite a bit for good ones
BingoBoingo: A lot of business there
herbijudlestoids: cos i was just looking at the coldcoins website cache, they were doing 5 for 50USD, laser engraved steel of BIP38 encrypted wallets
herbijudlestoids: and they closed down, citing not enough demand
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: what constitutes a good one?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Maybe their product was wrong?
jayk: christina o
benkay: business model, likely.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Find what makes a good cold wallet?
benkay: you're not going to run a fab shop on wallets.
benkay: wallets might make a nice revenue stream for a fab shop, however.
BingoBoingo: ^^
herbijudlestoids: but a steel engraving machine only costs 700AUD?
benkay: subtle distinction that these programmerrers will never get.
benkay: well you gotta operate it, keep lights on, run a business you know.
benkay: business as waterwheel; water must flow. business must come through the operation. if business is a whole bunch of metalworking work, then wallets can be a small fraction of the biz and still work. if biz throughput is just wallet engravings, well, that sustains a much smaller operation.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00082531 = 13.4113 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.0001001 = 0.1001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1900 @ 0.00010001 = 0.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220 @ 0.00082687 = 0.1819 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: ^ portfolio trade
benkay: missing bbet
benkay: who buys mg and not bbet? one throws off divs.
BingoBoingo: worse benkay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00082687 = 0.4961 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Mircea likes gurls who do BBEt math
benkay: BingoBoingo you ain't makin no sense no mo
BingoBoingo: Depends. Am I niggers.txt or nigger.cl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00447453 = 0.4922 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: benkay: What can Yogi handle? Oh Lord Jesus its a fire? Fuck no!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28180 @ 0.00082687 = 23.3012 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Who shorted functional gardens though...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00082613 = 14.4573 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2897 @ 0.00078874 = 2.285 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1825 @ 0.00065221 = 1.1903 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1446 @ 0.00012937 = 0.1871 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4373 @ 0.00051933 = 2.271 BTC [-] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.1245 = 1.245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12340 @ 0.00082988 = 10.2407 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: I want to use amazon to move all my non furniture shit across the country
Mats_cd03: Why is moving still so expensive? Jesus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00083282 = 16.9479 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1015 @ 0.00080063 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: Also ozbot needs a voteban command
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52839998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.0001293 = 0.1405 BTC [-]
cazalla: i always found moving cheap
cazalla: but then i only needed to move a desktop + clothes until i bought a home
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 207 @ 0.00072513 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 286 @ 0.0007 = 0.2002 BTC [-]
Rick_: hi
Rick_: Mircea is here?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 895 @ 0.00012939 = 0.1158 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00084336 = 32.0477 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
herbijudlestoids: http://imgur.com/gallery/nb8fK
ozbot: Athletes and journalists start to check into Sochi. - Imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0004137 = 0.2069 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00012302 = 0.123 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00434141 = 0.8683 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00084864 = 18.9247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-]
grazs: lifestyle journalists who are spoiled brats, refreshing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.12 = 0.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0008588 = 7.0851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00085437 = 25.1185 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Current transaction count: 4,819; stuck transaction outputs: 55,546.70 BTC (as of Feb 06 2014 12:03:21 UTC)
kakobrekla: gox?
truffles: ruined my 1st car yay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.49717171 = 3.4802 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.06846306 = 0.89 BTC [-] {10}
truffles: hi Chaaang-Noi
ThickAsThieves: yep gox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05872727 = 0.646 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000795 = 0.2385 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html
ozbot: Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 630 @ 0.0008 = 0.504 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 203 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1711 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: MaxCoin, the new crypto currency founded by Max Keiser will launch on February 5 and it has a good chance of crossing $20 million in market cap its first month of mining.
ThickAsThieves: With over 88 altcoins listed on Coin Market Cap, it’s getting tougher to find the winners, but MaxCoin really stands out and here is why.
ThickAsThieves: Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99
ThickAsThieves: MaxKeiserTV has 39K subscribers. His “personal” twitter handle has close to 91K followers and the Maxcoin “official” twitter handle has 4.2K followers. Pretty impressive for a coin that hasn’t launched yet!
ThickAsThieves: Read more at http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/02/maxcoin-the-next-altcoin-to-hit-20-million/#GWVehdKiqz68FXee.99
ThickAsThieves: fukn autolinks
ThickAsThieves: MaxCoin’s mining difficulty will be retargeted using the kimoto gravity well algorithm. Recently, the Dogecoin developers have been thinking of retargeting this way as well
kakobrekla: algorhitmic dorra dorra bills yo
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/431407548210483200
ozbot: Twitter / TheRealAltcoin: @maxkeiser @KeiserReport ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00085692 = 14.6962 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7150 @ 0.00012975 = 0.9277 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.003 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.003 = 0.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00012987 = 0.5195 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: keisercoin sounds cooler imo
truffles: sounds close ro kaiser
ThickAsThieves: do you even mine?
truffles: i dont even alt no
truffles: i was optimistic about the coins now after seeing it unfold ive gone cynic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00085791 = 19.2172 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12799999 BTC [+]
grazs: he's a tool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00085412 = 30.2358 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4518 @ 0.00012201 = 0.5512 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1916 @ 0.00011903 = 0.2281 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52826801 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52827001 = 1.0565 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.52826894 = 8.9806 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52839898 = 1.0568 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52839899 = 2.642 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29312 @ 0.00085386 = 25.0283 BTC [-]
KRS-One: delusions of self importance
truffles: just about everyone :p
KRS-One: everyone what?
truffles: thinks highly of self
KRS-One: not those who have been humbled..
KRS-One: might even take a few times..
truffles: ya
KRS-One: I think everyone needs to be put to that test.
KRS-One: World might even be a better place.
KRS-One: And with more bait, of course.
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m179qrVkVE1r2ytgyo1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: :O
truffles: id start with something else, like empathy
KRS-One: that ones like..BAM
truffles: booooobs
truffles: why is the lower region on display, is that like appealing?
KRS-One: those breastestes look down right uncomfortable.
KRS-One: truffles: not even
truffles: im sure there are some who enjoy that..
KRS-One: she better not travel quickly though any areas of great pressure difference or there could be a big ole mess.
truffles: face not even important enough ..
truffles: tv show had woman fall from respectable height into water, massive boobs popped heh
KRS-One: Nothing special at all..kind of beavis like... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJrq00ICMAEL96k.jpg
KRS-One: Yeah! I heard abou tthat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00085461 = 19.656 BTC [+]
KRS-One: and the one bitch on the airplane.
KRS-One: Could you imagine getting some of the fallout on you?? I'd be scared for life.
truffles: dunno if we're on the same ppl, but doubt they consider that when purchasing
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin Update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4973367#msg4973367
truffles: u mean the person who bought or random?
KRS-One: ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right?
truffles: silicone feels nice afaik
KRS-One: Is it traded on any exchanges yet?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves did you ever get the code ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04909987 = 0.2455 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: i'm still crossing my fingers pankakke can help or it magically appears
ThickAsThieves: otherwise i guess i'll post bounties to strangers
mircea_popescu: da fuck is matt doing.
truffles: "Fight the fight, sing the song" hehe
ThickAsThieves: <KRS-One> ThickAsThieves: This was just for the lulz right? << as much as anything in life
truffles: haha
mircea_popescu: depends on whose life.
mircea_popescu: lyfe*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04909986 = 0.1473 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: all values are dynamic, you taught me that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00085557 = 24.2982 BTC [+]
truffles: even honey badger name drops hmm
mircea_popescu: if doge had the sense to start all addresses with Derp
Duffer1: hehe
mircea_popescu: then the association of herpetologist s could have made herpcoin
mircea_popescu: and we could have had herpderp altcoin wars
mircea_popescu: people. no strategic lulzforesight at all.
truffles: dodge envy itc
dexX7: http://www.cfr.org/economics/voices-next-generation-gavin-andresen-bitcoin/p32339
truffles: TAT what happens when some random noob gets pissed at u
ThickAsThieves: depends
Duffer1: who would get mad at tat?
truffles: me?
Apocalyptic: someone who bought X-BOND above the buyback price ?
Duffer1: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i can think of more
ThickAsThieves: hehe
ThickAsThieves: i'll either handle it, or i won't, or the crowd will
truffles: Apocalyptic have u played BingoBoingo yet?
Apocalyptic: yeah, was a one time thing though
truffles: im unhappy with the win loss ratio
truffles: why
ThickAsThieves: gavin hes lego hair
ThickAsThieves: has*
truffles: was he snail pace?
Apocalyptic: we call it playmobil hair here
ThickAsThieves: hehe
truffles: yes no???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00085406 = 29.0807 BTC [-] {4}
PsychoticBoy_: all assets are crap and virtual
PsychoticBoy_: not backed by anything but air
ThickAsThieves: is keiser promoting maxcoin legal? i mean it's like 99% ponzi no?
PsychoticBoy_: whole MPex for example
PsychoticBoy_: ppl still buying that degrading shit
ThickAsThieves: you were asking who gets mad at TAT?
ThickAsThieves: enter PBoy
PsychoticBoy_: no I am not mad
truffles: Usao Scoin
Apocalyptic: u mad bro ?
PsychoticBoy_: yup and the bigest terrorist is the USA
PsychoticBoy_: hopefully THEY get hat they deserve :)
PsychoticBoy_: f the usa
mircea_popescu: PsychoticBoy_ listen here, just because you ran a shit asset on the global scam exchange
PsychoticBoy_: come on Russia bomb USA
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean everyone's you.
PsychoticBoy_: lol
PsychoticBoy_: gypsy king is speaking
mircea_popescu: easiest thing to do this, i'm stupid so therefore the world's dumb.
mircea_popescu: and that "degrading shit", for your information, has been here while you've been taking your goat sabbatical
PsychoticBoy_: goat?
mircea_popescu: "o herpderp i take a year off come back everyone forgot everything"
PsychoticBoy_: fuck goat
PsychoticBoy_: the scamming thai bitch
mircea_popescu: i can't distinguish between you glbse set.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. got shit to do so, later.
truffles: Goat is scammer?
truffles: :(
PsychoticBoy_: uhhh you did not know
PsychoticBoy_: lol
Apocalyptic: goat ran pirate's PT
truffles: PT?
truffles: link?
Duffer1: passthrough
Apocalyptic: passthrough
Apocalyptic: link ? check the forums, it's common knowledge here
PsychoticBoy_: chaaang noi is banned at most places
PsychoticBoy_: changes his name every day on bitcointalk
PsychoticBoy_: says enough
ThickAsThieves: how many days between when you change names?
PsychoticBoy_: I?
truffles: well thats disappointing
PsychoticBoy_: I do not change name because I am a very very reputable member of this community :)
PsychoticBoy_: unlike others
PsychoticBoy_: many know me personal
Duffer1: ;;gpg info psychoticboy_
gribble: No such user registered.
PsychoticBoy_: like all people on conferences
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04800001 = 0.288 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: did you go to the Amsterdam one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7294 @ 0.00085309 = 6.2224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C155T] 20 @ 0.00792262 = 0.1585 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50025452 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27756 @ 0.00085494 = 23.7297 BTC [+] {2}
PsychoticBoy_: yes I was at the Amsterdam con
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 67 @ 0.00339001 = 0.2271 BTC [+]
PsychoticBoy_: 45 min drive so it was around the corner
ThickAsThieves: maybe we met
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04909984 = 0.1964 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19454 @ 0.00085851 = 16.7015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.54104998 = 4.3284 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.128 = 1.28 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086017 = 15.397 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04909986 = 0.3928 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: hi truffles was sleeping :)\
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: 813.68
mike_c: this is the real problem with not announcing option excercies. we don't get to watch the drama unfold :)
mike_c: i bet the option whale is having a bad day.
pankkake: I thought they were at the end of the month?
kakobrekla: cheaper today
pankkake: oh
pankkake: lol, it looks like the only way to change your havelock password is to do "forgot password"
mike_c: ;;calc ((500/813) - .1) - .4879146
gribble: 0.0270915500615
mike_c: whale sold the puts, so mpoe could excercise for a mpex profit today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.04967205 = 14.9016 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14774 @ 0.00086697 = 12.8086 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00302 = 1.2805 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00480099 = 0.1008 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0030469 = 0.9141 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00304689 = 4.5642 BTC [-]
Duffer1: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/
ozbot: New lawsuit against Bitcoin miner manufacturer alleges fraud, negligence | Ars Technica
Duffer1: it's about time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030469 = 0.6094 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2645 @ 0.00307646 = 8.1372 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2655 @ 0.00305301 = 8.1057 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: "One of the world’s most mysterious Bitcoin-related companies" lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00487092 = 0.9742 BTC [+] {8}
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: so it seems the inturnet is really upset about apple pulling blockchain.info from the app store, hey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 94 @ 0.005 = 0.47 BTC
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: god forbid Apple has a good reason
pankkake: I'm surprised it was allowed in the first place
nubbins`: but, but, i disagree with their reason
nubbins`: pankkake, the only reason it got in there in the first place was a sneak attack
kakobrekla: how so?
pankkake: introduce the app without X features, then introduce the features?
pankkake: that never works with Apple
pankkake: by the way, they don't even have to provide a reason for refusals :)))
ThickAsThieves: accepting bitcoin is the new "IPO" http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9945/favorite-team-accept-bitcoin/
ThickAsThieves: Overstock and Tigerdirect etc get a few extra hundred thousand and fade away
Duffer1: i accept bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.76834323 BTC to 801 shares, 95923 satoshi per share
Duffer1: and lambos
pankkake: well, they deliver, at least
ThickAsThieves: indeed
pankkake: IPO was getting a lot of coins without accountability
pankkake: if accepting bitcoins means a lot of publicity and sales, that's not bad :)
pankkake: are lambos a good store of value?
nubbins`: heh
Duffer1: i have yet to receive one, i'll let you know if that happens
pankkake: I'm waiting for http://www.lamboparity.com/
nubbins`: pankkake: the wallet features were hidden by default
pankkake: lol hidden
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: you had to open a blockchain account
pankkake: reminds me of the flash light app that had a secret feature
nubbins`: via web
nubbins`: then some sort of thing like keep the account open for 2 weeks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 212 @ 0.005 = 1.06 BTC
pankkake: interestingly, apple does not review the code of the app
pankkake: so you can sneak things… but usually not for long
nubbins`: then open the iphone app via the same ip address that you've previously logged in with on the website
pankkake: lol
pankkake: amazing
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: it was a real fuckaround
nubbins`: but they flew under the radar for years
kakobrekla: lol
pankkake: and in the same way, you can sneak malware. rendering the whole thing "for your protection" a lie
nubbins`: in practice, this made the app really unreliable when on the go
nubbins`: they do automatic code reviews
nubbins`: no manual tho
nubbins`: unless there's a problem suspected
diametric: automatic code reviews.. what a joke
nubbins`: i agree
nubbins`: it's more for catching bugs than anything
nubbins`: mem leaks etc
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/inc-5000-entrepreneur-buys-bitcoinwallet-com-domain-for-250k/
pankkake: he probably doesn't know any respectable bitcoin service ends in .io
nubbins`: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12997221 = 1.0398 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: anyway, on a related note, xcode comes with some great code analysis tools
nubbins`: the IDE itself isn't the greatest, and Interface Builder is pretty derpy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.130001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0047894 = 0.1149 BTC [-]
nubbins`: but the code analysis features are top-notch
pankkake: powered by llvm?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: last i checked, those were just a thin gui skin on top of gdb and gprof.
nubbins`: pankkake, osx does use llvm-gcc
nubbins`: asciilifeform: could be, i never dug under the skin too much
nubbins`: afaik the whole thing is based on gnu tools tho
asciilifeform: well, Next's perverted gcc fork, anyway.
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: this caused problems when trying to compile the last eulora release for osx
nubbins`: terrible, terrible problems
asciilifeform: apple died in '99.
asciilifeform: replaced by Next. (with name changed to 'apple')
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: even the objects show relics of this
BingoBoingo: Apple died in 1984 replaced by Macintosh
nubbins`: NSString, etc
nubbins`: btw, objective-c is a brutal language to comprehend
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BingoBoingo: Well, not entirely until about 89, but it was on its way
nubbins`: took me the better part of 2 months just to decipher method calls
nubbins`: nothing shows a more callous disregard for developers than code relics
nubbins`: sharepoint was brutal for this
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nubbins`: first they misappropropriated all these common words like "site" and "web" and "part"
nubbins`: then in one major release, they reassigned the names to different things
nubbins`: what was once called a site is now a web, etc
nubbins`: but all the old class names remained the same
nubbins`: so Web w = new Web(); creates a new Site, etc
nubbins`: it's enough to make you walk away
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asciilifeform: in the '90s, i never imagined i'd miss the 'old apple'
nubbins`: old apple was before my time
nubbins`: hackintosh in '08 was my first non-casual exposure
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mostly - but not entirely - before my time: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568
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nubbins`: ah, haha, this is like vb
nubbins`: or interface builder, to a lesser extent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: in exactly the same way that a junkyard full of bricks, roof tiles, etc. resembles a house.
pankkake: there'se a language where the keywords can be either French or English
nubbins`: hah
nubbins`: legos, even
nubbins`: anyway, good article
nubbins`: there's a steady push towards an apple device being a device of consumption rather than production
nubbins`: this has been pretty much perfected in iDevices
nubbins`: osx is slowly following suit
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ThickAsThieves: http://buttcoin.org/long-live-cryptic-urgencies watch neckbeards selftechmutilate
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ThickAsThieves: all these guys smashed their phones cuz some reddite said he'd give out money to the first 5 people
ThickAsThieves: no wthe post is gone
Duffer1: didn't he escrow?
nubbins`: well ya know.
kakobrekla: so in a few days they will say "sry, you can has btc"
nubbins`: i'll send 100btc to everyone who smashes their dick with a hammer
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nubbins`: 200btc if you upload it to redtube
kakobrekla: and fanbois will be "oh noes gotta get new iphone 5"
kakobrekla: apple makes more monies.
ThickAsThieves: lol
nubbins`: "know what'll hurt apple? if i smash my on-contract phone that they've already been paid for, in full"
kakobrekla: and then get a new one
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: lol
nubbins`: naw dude, they're totally going for a windows phone this time ;p
Diablo-D3: hurting apple doesnt even make sense
ThickAsThieves: itd hurt apple way more to sell it secondhand
Diablo-D3: its a fucking company
Diablo-D3: its not real
nubbins`: tat, the first video is already brutal
Diablo-D3: go focus on actually real shit like starving africans and chinese death camps
nubbins`: some wizard with a dart hangin out of his face
nubbins`: "this is not acceptable"
nubbins`: *smashes $700 phone*
dexX7: <Duffer1> didn't he escrow? << he did
Diablo-D3: smashing a phone is basically telling the people who suffered in china to make it their lives have no meaning and they are dying in vain.
Diablo-D3: so, good job there.
Duffer1: oh hey dex, haven't seen you in irc in a while, stayin busy man?
ThickAsThieves: smash the chinese then?
pankkake: they should ask themselves why they bought it in the first place, and make their auto-critique
ThickAsThieves: i'm so confused
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: I'd love to smash the chinese government
ThickAsThieves: what do i smash to get my way?
dexX7: hey :) yea, kinda
nubbins`: wait, he's going to strikeAAAAHHH
Diablo-D3: just wipe all those fucks off the face of the earth
kakobrekla: smash diablo
Diablo-D3: but it'd take the entirety of the western world to get rid of them
Diablo-D3: and I dont see our rich fucks going to war with their rich fucks any time soon
kakobrekla: maybe some ltc will fall out
ThickAsThieves: can we not turn this into the viability of world wars?
ThickAsThieves: thank you
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: rich people wars are not real wars
Diablo-D3: they fight wars with cash, not dollars
Diablo-D3: er
Diablo-D3: cash not bullets
ThickAsThieves: agreed
nubbins`: man oh man
nubbins`: i'm actually a bit upset here
Duffer1: upset that no one has stepped forward to smash their dicks?
kakobrekla: smash the phone
ThickAsThieves: i'm so bad at Apple I refuse to reproduce!
Diablo-D3: *mad
nubbins`: Duffer1, upset at the stupidity of these retards
nubbins`: HULK SMASH
nubbins`: that'll show apple
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Duffer1: don't even worry about what retards do
Duffer1: that's PR's job
Duffer1: :P
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nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "really sending a message to apple here"
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nubbins`: tat had it right, if he really wanted to stick it to apple, he would have sold his phone ;p
nubbins`: this is like if that single dad who paid us $400 for a bespoke kid's book said "fuck pink eye" and put his book in the shredder
nubbins`: we'd say "yes, fuck us" while smoking his money
ThickAsThieves: "i'm going sprint down 300 yards and try and get this rifle on target as fast as possible"
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQZTAJ2KLk
ozbot: R3 Destroys anti bitcoin iPhone with a rifle in exchange for a Nexus 5 - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4977641#msg4977641
ozbot: iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions
asciilifeform: soviet version of the joke: 'man buys a ticket, rips it up and walks - to spite the trolley conductor.'
nubbins`: side note, what's with all these fucking idiots laying their phones on concrete and striking them with metal tools?
nubbins`: do they even eyes?
ThickAsThieves: metal tools are more organic
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: srsly, the only part of these videos where i cringe is when i see a metal implement striking concrete
ThickAsThieves: when will someone put one in a microwave?
nubbins`: as soon as i finish submitting this post to reddit
nubbins`: lel, i kid ;(
ThickAsThieves: :()
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nubbins`: did i mention the problem i was having with my iphone the other day?
nubbins`: fuckin thing completely stopped charging, 9 days out of warranty
ThickAsThieves: you are charging it wrong
ThickAsThieves: "We have surveillance video from the hotels that shows people turn on the shower, direct the nozzle at the wall and then leave the room for the whole day," the official told members of the press, according to The Wall Street Journal.
ThickAsThieves: Kozak was attempting to argue that foreign journalists were biased against Russia and were intentionally working to paint the Sochi games as a disaster. But in the process, he may have just spooked everyone assigned hotel rooms to attend the games.
nubbins`: cajoled apple into fixing it for free, later realized that the bottom of the port had a bunch of impacted lint
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nubbins`: so i guess i get a free box in the mail any day now ;p
ThickAsThieves: they let you keep the old one when replacing?
nubbins`: no, they mail you a box to return your broken phone in
ThickAsThieves: ah
nubbins`: literally an hour after i hung up, i scooped the lint out
nubbins`: works like a charm now
Duffer1: so they have video footage of peoples showers?
nubbins`: Duffer1, +1 heh
Duffer1: seems like a terrible thing to tell the press, but what do i know
ThickAsThieves: yep
Duffer1: didn't you get your phone replaced though nub?
ThickAsThieves: right in the shower head apparently
nubbins`: tat, got a link?
asciilifeform: someone should teach these folks about 'parallel construction.'
nubbins`: Duffer1, nah, have had this for just over a year
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5386482/sochi-winter-olympics-video-surveillance-of-hotel-room-showers
ozbot: Russian official says government has video surveillance of Sochi hotel room showers | The Verge
Duffer1: what'r you waiting for then, free nexus 5 go
ThickAsThieves: wsj source
ThickAsThieves: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304680904579366712107461956
ozbot: Russian Officials Fire Back at Olympic Critics - WSJ.com
ThickAsThieves: The Iron Shower Curtain
nubbins`: HAHAHAH
Duffer1: instantrimshot.com
benkay: http://www.coindesk.com/tea-merchant-coinbase-alternative-litecoin-processing/
benkay: so basically it should be trivial for anyone to accept any altcoin
benkay: but running a full satoshi client for each chain is a little, ah, shall we say wasteful.
ThickAsThieves: dammit I need to get this Altcoin source going
benkay: what's the Altcoin magic value?
nubbins`: over 9000
benkay: also i know this is an oldlink but it still delivars chuckles: http://kimitsuassetmanagement.com/
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nubbins`: so, anyone buying rentalstarter tomorrow?
ThickAsThieves: i think it has been between .00000300 and .00000100btc so far
benkay: ThickAsThieves: the "magic value" is a header in the protocol that identifies which network a client is a part of
ThickAsThieves: and what a client network?
ThickAsThieves: is
Duffer1: nubbins' if i had anything left - no i wouldn't
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benkay: in this case network referring to the network of nodes broadcasting and verifying transactions
ThickAsThieves: is the same question as "do you have a dump of the genesis block?"
benkay: a client being the Satoshi implementation or bitcoinj or multibit w/e
benkay: no.
Duffer1: i like almost everything about it but I'm sure btc itself will do significantly better
ThickAsThieves: well it was made from coingen.io
benkay: magic value is a part of a header sent between nodes. genesis block is the root of the merkle tree.
ThickAsThieves: and i can get source for other coins made by them
benkay: if you had the source for alt you could ack "magic" and find it pretty quickly
ThickAsThieves: for my alt, or any alt made the from same codebase?
ThickAsThieves: my issue is the source code doesnt exist anymore
ThickAsThieves: and i am waiting on coingen to make an identical one so we can reverse create source for the orginal
nubbins`: Duffer1, +1
nubbins`: i don't see rental properties outperforming btc
ThickAsThieves: yes, my comprehension of the details you describe is pretty low
benkay: ah well i'm giving the wrong instructions anyways. it's a bit obfuscated: https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/blob/master-1.5/src/main.cpp#L3141
ThickAsThieves: but i am willing to pay to get this solved so i can then pay to have pools made or whaver
ThickAsThieves: get it listed on exchanges
ThickAsThieves: etc
benkay: it'll be interesting to see if clients built from the regenerated source code will be able to talk to clients in the wild
nubbins`: what are you gonna do when people start actually wasting/losing money on atc?
benkay: cash out, obviously.
ThickAsThieves: i dont even own any
nubbins`: doesn't matter
nubbins`: people are going to take it seriously and they're going to lose money
nubbins`: and you're enabling that
ThickAsThieves: ...
Duffer1: he's not wrong there TaT hehe
nubbins`: i know it's a big lel, but you should kill this before it grows legs
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure he's right either
benkay: yeah but that's the "kids are going to hurt themselves with guns" argument
ThickAsThieves: also who's to say?
benkay: teach some firearm use, let the idiots die.
ThickAsThieves: maybe it really does kill all the other alts
pankkake: lol, the coinget coin I took the source from even has the same port number
pankkake: coingen
nubbins`: maybe it really does, yep
benkay: why would you change the port number?
mike_c: yeah, where's the hate for bernankoin? as long as he doesn't pump/dump, what's the crime?
pankkake: because it's anothe coin
benkay: also the n-coin game will go forever
pankkake: mike_c: there's no hate for bernankoin
pankkake: it's *impossible* to premine anyway!
ThickAsThieves: nubbins ive decided your argument is not sound
ThickAsThieves: you had me worried
ThickAsThieves: but no
nubbins`: you've decided that the guy selling apples w/ razors to creepy old men is not at fault, because he's not the one handing them out to kids?
mike_c: i guess nobody will lose money on bernankoin cuz you can always just print more to keep people from losing money
nubbins`: "lel pre-razored apples, what a riot!"
Duffer1: lol
nubbins`: and we all have a chuckle and a kid slices his neck open
pankkake: well anyone printing it for more than a few hours is a fool
ThickAsThieves: in a world where there can be any number of alts, all on same codebase, no one alt is better than the other
nubbins`: but hey, fuck him, he shoulda checked!
ThickAsThieves: that includes bitcoin really
nubbins`: alts have two purposes: to experiment with ideas and to have a lel/run a scam
ThickAsThieves: says who
asciilifeform: eventually, mining breakthrough, and people will regret having undermined the whole concept of blockchain by having a swarm of little chains
mike_c: that's three purposes
nubbins`: says me
nubbins`: mike_c: the lel/scam is the same thing
asciilifeform: 'fail to hang together, and you will hang separately'
ThickAsThieves: mining breakthrough?
asciilifeform: hypothetically.
ThickAsThieves: but really, what makes bitcoin better than an altcoin other than its adoption level?
ThickAsThieves: it's all the same shit
nubbins`: one's real and the other is for fleecing rubes, that's what
asciilifeform: entirely ignoring the 'features' (many vs. few coins, frequents vs. rare blocks, etc) and premining,
asciilifeform: the difference is: who has it.
nubbins`: if you're fine with rubes being fleeced, then there's no difference, no
asciilifeform: every cryptocoin can be seen as an attempt to 'replay the history of money'
asciilifeform: with (optionally) different winners.
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: much depends on who these winners are.
mike_c: there is a difference between selling real estate in florida that is secretly swampland, and openly selling swamps.
ThickAsThieves: and it's impossible to have two coins coexist and be healthy?
asciilifeform: hard to sell swamp to people who understand what a swamp is.
mike_c: right, which is why you haven't bought any ATC
nubbins`: it's impossible for a rubecoin to be healthy, yes
ThickAsThieves: is it impossible an altcoin will become the winner over bitcoin?
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible. we live in a world with ms-winblows, for example.
nubbins`: let's be clear, your experiment isn't intended to become a winner over bitcoin
asciilifeform: there are many such 'winners'.
nubbins`: it's intended to have a chuckle
benkay: even if there is a mining breakthrough, the compute deployed against alts couldn't save bitcoin...
nubbins`: but the funny thing about intentions...
ThickAsThieves: says you
nubbins`: says me, yes
nubbins`: says you, as well
ThickAsThieves: no actually
ThickAsThieves: says the miners
ThickAsThieves: thats all really
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: You saying you don't own any and won't mine any doesn't preclude that?
ThickAsThieves: preclude what
TomServo: It winning over btc
ThickAsThieves: what i say doesnt mean much
nubbins`: that's becoming clear ;D
ThickAsThieves: seriously
ThickAsThieves: i know i fuck around
nubbins`: i do too
nubbins`: the suckers being suckered don't
ThickAsThieves: but you guys arent giving real arguments here
ThickAsThieves: you act like i'm inventing altcoins
asciilifeform: whether a particular alt is 'trying to win over btc' can be determined by looking at what it is being traded for.
Duffer1: it's a subjective moral argument
asciilifeform: if it is being parcelled out in exchange for btc...
asciilifeform: then it is clear which coin the author regards as genuine and having a future.
Duffer1: based entirely on what you believe is moral or amoral
nubbins`: duffer, it boils down to this, yes
nubbins`: promoting a lelcoin as being serious is amoral
nubbins`: in my view
ThickAsThieves: what if the other just wants to do create the thing to see what happens
nubbins`: others disagree
asciilifeform: would you happily part with gold, for instance, if you believe that 'gold standard' will make a comeback?
Mats_cd03: so what was the size of the mpex whale fee
nubbins`: what if i just want to stuff a cigarette with match heads to see what happens?
mike_c: nubbins`: do you think it was immoral to flip houses during the housing bubble?
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ThickAsThieves: so far its mostly been an expression for me, some luls sure, but kinda performance art
ThickAsThieves: i havent even pondered what my investment strategy might be for it
ThickAsThieves: i dont care
ThickAsThieves: maybe i buy some
ThickAsThieves: maybe i dont
nubbins`: mike_c, there was a housing bubble? ;p
nubbins`: i think it's immoral to sell a cardboard box painted up like a house to a new family
ThickAsThieves: thats not what this is
nubbins`: bernankoin, you read the spec and have a lel
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nubbins`: dogecoin, you see people actually losing things of value
nubbins`: intentions don't matter, what people do with the thing you've made does matter
mike_c: bah. and bitcoin is to blame for assasinationmarket
benkay: is running a gambling house a moral operation, nubbins`?
nubbins`: benkay, no
nubbins`: mike_c: assassinations are purchased with or without bitcoin
nubbins`: rubes losing money on ATC doesn't happen without ATC
mike_c: of course it does.
mike_c: that money is lost simply by rubes having it.
ThickAsThieves: you cant die from frostbite while bathing in lava either
asciilifeform: 'if i hadn't picked his pocket, some other fellow would've.'
nubbins`: ^
ThickAsThieves: except i'm not picking pockets
nubbins`: nice rationalization, isn't it
nubbins`: no, you're just selling tongs
ThickAsThieves: no
nubbins`: yyyep
ThickAsThieves: i'm selling streets
nubbins`: streets serve a useful purpose
ThickAsThieves: maybe people get robbed on them
ThickAsThieves: so does currency
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ThickAsThieves: maybe people build businesses on them
Duffer1: this argument is why i never made Hodorcoin, in the end, someone was going to lose money on it
nubbins`: if you can justify it to yourself, there's not much i can do to convince you otherwise
nubbins`: just wanted to offer a perspective
mike_c: i lost money on mpex once. mp is a scammor.
benkay: everything is a scam
ThickAsThieves: i can say i dont want to hurt anyone
ThickAsThieves: surely
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ThickAsThieves: but i cant say that i wont sell knives
nubbins`: sure, and you can offer perpetual mining turds that anyone with a brain would know is a bad purchase
asciilifeform: take classic btc. it was a net gain in wealth, rather than simply a machine from moving money from one pocket to another, because it made new things possible. what new things does the altcoin-of-the-day make possible?
nubbins`: but you can't say that you're not intentionally fleecing rubes
asciilifeform: 'my ferrari' is one answer. but not an answer that will satisfy skeptics.
ThickAsThieves: well if we go buy the Altcoin's mission it's purpose is to get everyone to stop mining every other altcoin
ThickAsThieves: would you count marginal success in that as a good thing?
kakobrekla: allowing for txes when 1mb limit is being hit for one but thats where it ends
nubbins`: would you count getting people off heroin and into crack as a good thing?
jborkl: not to the dealers
ThickAsThieves: i dont think that's a proper comparison
asciilifeform: this is more like getting all of the addicts to buy from one large dealer instead of quitting
nubbins`: sure it is, they're trading one terrible choice for another
mike_c: if you accept the axiom that any coin besides bitcoin has no value.
ThickAsThieves: the problem is you are making assumptions that are false
Mats_cd03: Some people just lack enough empathy
nubbins`: do tell!
asciilifeform: just asking the question of where the added value is.
asciilifeform: it's a legitimate question.
ThickAsThieves: you assume all altcoins are a loss/waste
ThickAsThieves: i do not
nubbins`: i don't assume that
nubbins`: altcoins are a great way to test out new concepts
asciilifeform: if there's added value ('i've an nsa-resistant work-function, here, look') we're all ears.
nubbins`: but a big machine that spits out slightly tweaked alts isn't
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ThickAsThieves: again i think this is a false assumption as well, alts needing new concepts
nubbins`: nobody's saying you NEED to test new concepts
ThickAsThieves: no,
TomServo: ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?
asciilifeform: then your real proposition is 'i ought to be Satoshi and will use the powers for Good'
nubbins`: just that there's the potential for learning, growth, new thought processes, etc
ThickAsThieves: you are saying the NEED is required for value to exist
ThickAsThieves: it;s not a fact
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ThickAsThieves: there are no powers i get or use
asciilifeform: 'a) repaint your black car. it should be blue. b) why should i ? a) blue is just as good as black b) wtf a) here, i'll sell you some paint b) what's the value to me a) it doesn't need added value, blue is better '
denlove: I wish I had someone send bitcoin to please. 16ZdMuyrVuuupSjVZyPmBWwjHsbcweKGUk
nubbins`: denlove, eat a bag of dicks
ThickAsThieves: blue is different
ThickAsThieves: doesnt need to be better
kakobrekla: I wish blowjob and icecream
nubbins`: you're trying to rationalize your lelcoin right now, in this conversation
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck with the chump harvesting.
nubbins`: ^
ThickAsThieves: seriously, you cant definitively win one argument and now i'm a shill
nubbins`: what's with "winning" "arguments"?
TomServo: TomServo | ThickAsThieves: is it a "preformance piece" or "maybe a viable altcoin, we'll see"?
ThickAsThieves: i dont know
ThickAsThieves: it just is
asciilifeform: the trouble with chump harvesting, morals aside, is that there is always a new, slicker chump-harvesting artist coming to town.
asciilifeform: whose 'no added value needed' proposition is 'just as good' as yours
asciilifeform: but new/exciting.
mike_c: that's not trouble if he's not trying to harvest chumps
nubbins`: so value, many excite
ThickAsThieves: so
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ThickAsThieves: let them compete, idc
asciilifeform: live by the chumps, die by the chumps. who are fickle.
ThickAsThieves: its nothing to do with chumping people
nubbins`: let them eat cake!
ThickAsThieves: there will be wealth in more coins than bitcoin, for as long as this paradigm can even exist
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pankkake: well, I'm stuck :(
ThickAsThieves: your arguments live in some imaginary ending where only bitcoin is left
asciilifeform: the other thing, your alt may be 'honest', but plenty are not. say, quite soon governments will begin herding people (through guile or force) into national altcoins.
asciilifeform: with central control.
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asciilifeform: the proliferation of chumpcoins sets the stage for this
asciilifeform: by destroying the Schelling point.
ThickAsThieves: so
asciilifeform: 'divide & conquer'
Duffer1: interesting proposition
ThickAsThieves: you cant stop it if thats the path
ThickAsThieves: and it certainly wont be because i made Altcoin
pankkake: it's pchMessageStart, but I'm not sure how to reverse-engineer it
asciilifeform: 'no drop of water believes that it is to blame for the flood' etc.
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ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: altcoins are seeking their place, itll always be dynamic, but they will have a place
ThickAsThieves: it's our reality
ThickAsThieves: you cant will it away
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Duffer1: lets put aside the moralizing and focus on the likely outcome of the experiment
mike_c: imagine a grid with 100 tiny squares and 1 enormous square. Add as many tiny squares as you want, the Schelling point remains.
Rick_: mircea is here?
asciilifeform: Duffer1: we already know the outcome. that's what makes it a distinctly disappointing experiment.
Duffer1: paging mircea_popescu , mircea_popescu to the desk please
ThickAsThieves: oh you do?
ThickAsThieves: intersting
ThickAsThieves: e
Duffer1: i believe that is the likely outcome as well ascii
asciilifeform: somewhere in russia, a drunk is unzipping, preparing to piss in an apartment lobby. you prod him, he answers 'drunks will always piss in lobbies. you can't just will it away.'
Duffer1: getting from here to there would probably be very interesting though
pankkake: does anyone here know basic C? how do I print, say, 0x0b? I want it to be 0x0b on the screen, or similar
asciilifeform: 'besides it already stinks'
ThickAsThieves: no, you are trying to say pissing shouldnt happen at all
asciilifeform: pankkake: printf("%x", foo)
ThickAsThieves: or that there is only one place to piss
ThickAsThieves: i dunno
pankkake: thanks, this is also what I found :)
pankkake: I need to find something interesting to write in C
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: merely that the world would stink less if people could agree to piss in toilets, or the woods, but not apartment lobby.
nubbins`: what he's saying is piss in the fucking toilet
nubbins`: not in people's faces
ThickAsThieves: by that argument why do we allow more than one fiat?
ThickAsThieves: why hasnt that been cleaned up?
ThickAsThieves: didnt require bitcoin to do so
asciilifeform: for the same reason that a town has more than one burglar
ThickAsThieves: you really see it that way?
asciilifeform: very basic game theory.
mike_c: pankkake: take something slow in one of your python programs and write a C module for it
ThickAsThieves: and what of this grand plan to make a better coingen.io?
ThickAsThieves: mircea is scammer too?
nubbins`: "a better"
nubbins`: atc = "a better" alt?
jurov: pankkake: rewrite pympex (but dunno if there's portable gpg C library)
nubbins`: PMTs = "a better" way to invest?
pankkake: I doubt the performance issues of pympex are in the Python code ;)
ThickAsThieves: amazing
ThickAsThieves: so enabling the more efficient creation of Altcoins is moral, but making one is not
jurov: i had in mind portability issues
nubbins`: nobody's saying that
pankkake: there are many gpg python libs, which all suck in a different way
ThickAsThieves: so it's just a fleecing of rubes plan of mp's?
nubbins`: nobody's saying that either
jurov: pankkake: yep, even some forks with same name
nubbins`: making a new compiler != creating exploits
asciilifeform: ignoring morality entirely. if you'd like to live in a future where crypto-coins are a useful thing, vs. a fogotten fad, think twice about cranking out spamcoins.
pankkake: in the end, for what I wanted to do, I ended up calling gpg directly
nubbins`: signal-to-noise-ratiocoin
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benkay: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on how cranking out altcoins will do *anything* to bitcoin?
mike_c: pankkake: curious what you were trying to do that was not working with the python gpg lib?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.0030798 = 2.3099 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: benkay: one of the big strengths of classic btc is that it is a schelling point.
asciilifeform: now every idiot wants 'his own' blockchain. and soon, every government, with master keys baked in, naturally
pankkake: it's wasn't really about working, but I didn't want to add a dependency for nothing
mike_c: ah
pankkake: in the end most of the feature is calling gpgv
asciilifeform: in the latter, fiat infusions will make these boobycoins appear to be (temporarily) valuable
asciilifeform: and chumps will flock to them.
pankkake: which is also portable :)
asciilifeform: getting used to central control, pre-mining by national mints, and all of the traditional joys of fiat.
asciilifeform: 'embrace and extinguish.'
mike_c: i think you are vastly overestimating public knowledge of even the existence of altcoins
ThickAsThieves: I think you have limited the possible futures too much
Duffer1: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 17m
Duffer1: #maxcoin mining and buying panic is building... all system look good to go. @maxcoinproject
Duffer1: >.<
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: naturally, people will shit out alts. nothing i can say here would put the slightest dent in it. just as they will continue to throw cigarette butts from cars.
nubbins`: replace max with alt
asciilifeform: every cig thrower is king of his own universe for a few seconds
asciilifeform: just like the alt author.
nubbins`: ^
mike_c: i like that analogy. so TaT threw a cig butt on the ground. who cares?
ThickAsThieves: the burning forest!
kakobrekla: green peace
pankkake: fucking fuck, now it connects, but every block is an orphan to it…
nubbins`: mike_c: yeah, who cares! we can do this forever!
mike_c: yes, we can. the world has not yet crumbled from tossed cig butts.
nubbins`: fuck everything, it's the road's fault for being there
nubbins`: "not yet"
nubbins`: you've got that part right, at least
nubbins`: "it hasn't happened yet!"
nubbins`: ergo, it never will!
ThickAsThieves: again a bad analogy
nubbins`: when can we expect mike_ccoin?
mike_c: never, i own one ATC. hence my position :)
asciilifeform: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=359_1336476686
ozbot: LiveLeak.com - WELCOME TO SHIT BEACH
asciilifeform: life in garbage world, sans cleanup crews.
benkay: but "good money drives out bad", asciilifeform. every local government can print their own fiat, demand taxes in their own shitcoin, and all of the wealth will stay in bitcoin.
nubbins`: "so what if we're helping turn cryptocurrency into a digital liberia"
nubbins`: "fuck the signal, here's some more noise"
asciilifeform: the question we're about to learn the answer to is close to: 'does the average person actually appreciate toilets and garbage trucks? or would be be just as happy using his local beach?'
mike_c: this is like imagining that the btctalk retardation will hurt bitcoin.
benkay: there is only noise in the universe. moments of signal are rare and unusual and vanish rapidly. thermodynamics at work.
nubbins`: benkay, that's about two steps from "what IS reality?"
mike_c: but he threw his butt in the toilet. it was announced on btctalk.
kakobrekla: everything is locel on the net
kakobrekla: local
benkay: not hardly. it's more along the lines of "seeing clearly in the fog is difficult", nubbins`. not "everything is foggy so fuck it".
nubbins`: mike_c, ah, the toilet? that's okay, then
nubbins`: once you flush things down the toilet, they're gone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 545 @ 0.0031181 = 1.6994 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: Maybe, I make Altcoin, it does pretty good, then something goes bad and people lose a bunch of money. Then I admit you guys were right. The guilt eats my soul til I realize I must now design the best coin ever. I do, and it kills bitcoin, and the world basks in a new dawn of finance. I load up IRC "sup fuckers, good thing I made Altcoin!"
benkay: just because the signal is loud and clear today is not a reason why it should remain that way.
nubbins`: "well, the tanker was leaking oil something fierce, so we towed it outside the environment"
nubbins`: "into another environment?"
nubbins`: "no, OUT of the environment"
mike_c: ok, i give up. let's debate abortion and gun control instead.
kakobrekla: kill fetuses with guns!
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: ...
ThickAsThieves: :)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i, for one, had no notion of convincing you that bamboozling people is wrong. only that you are ultimately burning your own furniture for heat.
mike_c: they aren't fetuses they are human beings. murderer.
kakobrekla: no, guns kill people, not people. not a murderer
pankkake: to make a "successful" altcoin nowadays you need more than releasing it
asciilifeform: right now, alt enthusiasts are shitting on a relatively clean beach.
Duffer1: when i argue against something, i take the time later to try to argue for it, i can't think of any arguments for altcoin atm (but that could very likely be user error) hehe
ThickAsThieves: asciilifeform, you are likely right, but it is already shaping up to be an interesting excercise
asciilifeform: they happily take their btc earnings from selling the alts and enjoy the valuable, relatively-stable coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00312 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "can we trust this ThickAsThieves fellow?" "of course you can trust me, neobee, AM, etc" "but what about the perpetual mining turd and the altcoin thing?" "no no no, those were just a lel"
nubbins`: ^ this is the other side of it
kakobrekla: someone has to be on the other side of the sell asciilifeform
jborkl: so what did I miss about GOX? just read a article that bitcoin withdraws are not working now? (not that I use them anymore)
nubbins`: you asked me if mp was running a scam by making a better coingen. i ask you if there's a mirceacoin
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'Bob the Bridge Builder.'
nubbins`: wait, the same bob who sucks dicks?
nubbins`: i've heard of him
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0030795 = 0.3049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76373 @ 0.00086841 = 66.3231 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i do wish mircea was here, because even if i'm outright in the wrong, he'd at least be able to make that clear. i'm having real trouble with these arguments.
ThickAsThieves: and to comment on TAT.VM
asciilifeform: not sure even karl friedrich gauss could make this any more clear.
nubbins`: HEH
ThickAsThieves: First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
nubbins`: ^ picture yourself saying this about ATC 6 months from now
benkay: it's fine
nubbins`: please
benkay: you've done nothing
ThickAsThieves: And that regret did have an affect on my latter movs.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if this is true, it isn't too late to publicly repent and call the thing off.
ThickAsThieves: moves
asciilifeform: it would be a very educational act.
nubbins`: ^
benkay: how are you going to do that?
ThickAsThieves: i will not
asciilifeform: well, we tried.
ThickAsThieves: if it dies it will be due to my attention span more likely
nubbins`: SMH
jborkl: What are you doing anywy Tat, I missed that part
Duffer1: Altcoin jborkl
nubbins`: jborkl, helping scammers fleece rubes
nubbins`: or inventing the future of crypto
ThickAsThieves: in a meta moment i made a meta altcoin
nubbins`: we can't agree
mike_c: http://www.therealaltcoin.org/
ozbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
ThickAsThieves: look the slogan is also the disclaimer
ThickAsThieves: what more can i do
mike_c: btw, i disagree that an honestly run buisness that ends in failure is tarnishing to a reputation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003078 = 3.6936 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: are you referring to TAT.VM?
asciilifeform: mike_c: if pump'n'dump is a type of honest business, i'd hate to see what a scam is now
mike_c: he's not pumping & dumping!
nubbins`: mike_c: you disagree that displaying a shocking lack of foresight is tarnishing to a reputation?
nubbins`: jesus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.003078 = 0.4525 BTC [-]
benkay: what is this shocking lack of foresight?
mike_c: a shocking lack of foresight? super harsh. a lot of entrepeneurs fail
nubbins`: benkay, mike_c: TAT.VM
nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen, and I really did not intend to harm. However, I do regret it.
ThickAsThieves: i dont regret it as a failure
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure i'd even call it a failure
nubbins`: maybe you could whip up a regretcoin, premine a bunch, and send them to the rubes who got fleeced
benkay: how was vm a failure?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: maybe i missed something... but where's the source code?
nubbins`: benkay: it wasn't a failure for TAT
ThickAsThieves: you missed something ;)
benkay: that's part and parcel of the story, asciilifeform. he didn't pay for the source.
nubbins`: mike_c was the one who mentioned failute
nubbins`: *failure
asciilifeform: who in his right mind would run this
ThickAsThieves: i regret that some people really did not understand what they were buying, despite utter transparency
asciilifeform: 7MB is room for all of the world's trojans, etc
nubbins`: do you regret that you really did not understand what you were selling?
ThickAsThieves: which wouldnt be so bad
benkay: nubbins`: it's a perpetual mining bond. pay btc now for a thing that becomes rapidly more useless.
ThickAsThieves: if it werent for the dramatic mining diff changes that came like 1 week after release
nubbins`: benkay: yes, that's correct
ThickAsThieves: i knew what i was selling
nubbins`: ooh
asciilifeform: pay for the source?
nubbins`: that's worse
ThickAsThieves: it was spelled out quite clearly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12020001 BTC [-]
nubbins`: you knew you were selling overpriced turds?
benkay: it was crystal clear.
asciilifeform: as if it took more than ten minutes to grab a copy of bitcoind src and change the constants
mike_c: do you hate JD too? people have lost more on that then they will ever lose on atc.
nubbins`: [16:07:54] <ThickAsThieves> First, I didn't really realize what would happen
nubbins`: [16:14:38] <ThickAsThieves> i knew what i was selling
mike_c: and people don't "understand" volatility or EV
ThickAsThieves: am i a criminal for profiting off jurov when he did the opposite?
benkay: yes well this is the world in which we live, asciilifeform. people can't grep source and depend on web apps to make altcoins from them.
ThickAsThieves: i sold mining futures
nubbins`: i'm not saying you're a criminal, i'm saying you're hurting other people as well as yourself
ThickAsThieves: oh i did not hurt myself
asciilifeform: i changed my mind. we should all love Altcoin. anyone who runs a 7MB turd of unknown provenance deserves the lessons contained therein.
ThickAsThieves: i gained some very valuable experience
nubbins`: oh, you hurt yourself, even if you don't realize it yet
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i hope you stuffed some serious 0day strange in there.
ThickAsThieves: i didnt even make it
ThickAsThieves: bluematt did
nubbins`: "i didn't put the razor in the apple, i just gave it to the kid"
mike_c: now that they are making a mistake out of security ignorance instead of financial ignorance it's better :)
nubbins`: we're going to run out of soap if this hand-washing continues
mike_c: we're already out of soap boxes.
nubbins`: oh, zing
mike_c: hehe
nubbins`: luckily everyone's already standing on one
ThickAsThieves: consider also that tatvm enabled me to do every release after it
ThickAsThieves: xbond, neo
nubbins`: consider that pirate's scam enabled him to buy a bunch of blow
ThickAsThieves: so xbond was blow?
nubbins`: consider that tatvm has tainted everything you've done since
ThickAsThieves: and your integrity is flawless?
ThickAsThieves: so basically i hath been judged by nubbins long ago?
nubbins`: go dig up some dirt on me, i'll wait here
nubbins`: and basically, yep
ThickAsThieves: good to know i guess
nubbins`: good to know if you take something away from it
nubbins`: useless to know otherwise
Duffer1: i still <3 you TaT
Duffer1: another haiku!
TomServo: Well fascinating conversation, either way.
nubbins`: indeed
mike_c: roosevelt had something to say about this
nubbins`: mike_c: did he say "if your friends have to issue public warnings not to invest in things you create, you're probably a legit businessman with a future"?
TomServo: Something I think asciilifeform touched on, judging the merits of all cryptocurrencies... isn't hashrate pretty much the end-all-be-all?
mike_c: i don't think that was it
asciilifeform: TomServo: hash rate isn't all of it. lack of seigniorage is another.
nubbins`: mike_c: i'm terrible with quotes
mike_c: i have had friends start buisnesses that i would not invest in. that didn't make them scum.
TomServo: asciilifeform: Ah yes, with that being equal though?
mike_c: why do i keep misspelling business?
asciilifeform: there's a difference between 'use my thing. because it's better' and 'use my thing. it's better, really. and oh btw, if you buy in it will pay for my 1kg/day coke habit.'
ThickAsThieves: wtf
TomServo: I thought it was pretty interesting to see the LTC DOGE hashrate intersect, and then re-intersect and what those implications might be.
mike_c: yeah, tat is rolling in blow from atc.
asciilifeform: seigniorage is an actual problem. i personally know perfectly reasonable, intelligent people who won't go near btc because of Satoshi's coins.
kakobrekla: TomServo the implication is, people can get fooled more than once
nubbins`: good a time for a break as any
nubbins`: coffee!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1282 BTC [+]
pankkake: I give up on making a source for Altcoin… I don't understand why it orphans the blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 252 @ 0.00307 = 0.7736 BTC [+]
pankkake: the only thing I didn't chaneg is txNew.vin[0].scriptSig and I have no idea what it is, if it matters, and how to find its value
pankkake: OK maybe I can get it in the first transaction, which seems isn't me… weird
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06999 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00086847 = 34.9559 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084288 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00086705 = 21.1127 BTC [-]
nubbins`: bee bee el, pan-frying cod
pankkake: lol getrawtranscation doesn't work for the firt tx it seems
pankkake: meh, anyway I don't know what to do with it
pankkake: waste of time :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008429 = 0.1686 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.0008429 = 0.2023 BTC [+]
the20year: Tomorrow is the big day :D
Duffer1: just reopening trading or are you going for another round of financing?
Duffer1: have i asked that?
the20year: another round of funding via havelock
Duffer1: ah ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00086705 = 17.2976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00302808 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0008684 = 11.68 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: man fuck a gym. just keep free weights at your house and fuckin' use 'em.
TomServo: Dangit. I got pulled away.
nubbins`: benkay: i use the gym for the bikes in winter :)
TomServo: asciilifeform: I somehow mis-read seigniorage as sovereign, so derp on my part. But I see your point.
benkay: nubbins`: are you a cardio guy?
chipug: there's a parody keiser coin now?!
TomServo: Not sure it's a parody.
nubbins`: benkay: i'm a bike guy :D
nubbins`: too treacherous outside to ride in the winter tho, even with studded tires
benkay: i love bikes
benkay: http://www.bikeshopliquidators.com/p-34111-fat-cruiser.aspx?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AllProducts&gclid=CPOluJuxuLwCFZRsfgodezsAEg
ozbot: Fat Sand Fat Cruiser
benkay: ozbot is back!
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5f2ca2af7c83a53319e58c2b3a485969/tumblr_mnrtopuKyi1s8tt3vo1_250.gif
nubbins`: i see a bike around town sometimes with wheels like that
nubbins`: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/06/1534215/skinny-puppy-wants-compensation-for-music-used-in-us-interrogations
ozbot: Skinny Puppy Wants Compensation For Music Used in US Interrogations - Slashdot
TomServo: nubbins`: saw that, my sides.
nubbins`: ^ one of canada's greatest musical exports
nubbins`: five bucks says they used BRAP vols. 3/4
nubbins`: wow, ALL the comments so far are about the "new look" of /.
nubbins`: do they even internet?
TomServo: I know, it's crazy.
TomServo: Every story.
chipug: this https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse isn't a parody?!
nubbins`: ahahahah
nubbins`: lel @ name
benkay: dudes does anyone know where the initial peers are stored in the litecoin codebase?
TomServo: chipug: Oh, hadn't seen that. I thought you meant Max's actual coin.
chipug: TomServo: no i think this just popped up today in response to maxcoin
chipug: max keiser's twitter page gives me a headache
ThickAsThieves: I swear it wasn't me!
Duffer1: hehe
chipug: ThickAsThieves: ..... you suuuure??
chipug: lol
ThickAsThieves: :)
Duffer1: even odds it's someone from this chan
chipug: i love the banana
chipug: please put nipple tassles on him also!!
asciilifeform: from the circus:
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf
ThickAsThieves: [16:06] <BlueMatt> sorry for the delay.....
ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> anyway, the coin is gonna rebuild with a slightly different genesis block
ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> the original download can be found at coingen.io/...../761afffd_orig.zip instead of 761afffd.zip
ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> well, all you have to do is figure out the genesis block change
ThickAsThieves: [16:07] <BlueMatt> but, I dont have a way to readily do that
ThickAsThieves: [16:08] <ThickAsThieves> but the person that dumped the genblock can?
ThickAsThieves: [16:08] <BlueMatt> sure
ThickAsThieves: http://coingen.bluematt.me/build/761afffd_orig.zip would be the landing link
ThickAsThieves: in case you still have any fight left in you pankakke ^
pankkake: well, that won't really help me, as I only tried the genesis block change and other magic values, no renaming etc. before I was sure it worked
ThickAsThieves: maybe it was something bad about the source you worked from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12820001 = 0.5128 BTC [+]
chipug: asciilifeform: what was that?
asciilifeform: chipug: trial of u.s. sailor. described in http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman.pdf
chipug: thanks
Namworld: It looks like Bitfinex just fixed the glitch and are back in business and everyone is happy or something.
Namworld: And that nothing was stolen =/
Namworld: Okay... I was expecting them to have long gone under.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00300357 = 0.9101 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 623 @ 0.00309335 = 1.9272 BTC [+] {6}
Duffer1: or run with the money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 376 @ 0.0031 = 1.1656 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7: there were coins stolen?
Apocalyptic: Namworld, they gonna slowly recover the stolen part with the fees and delay payouts if necessary imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00086788 = 9.9806 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00312134 = 6.2427 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: making dinner, recipe calls for a lightly beaten egg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00312699 = 1.0976 BTC [+]
nubbins`: so i announce "i like my women the way i like my eggs!!"
nubbins`: wife says "lightly beaten?!"
nubbins`: and i say "no, white"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00312699 = 0.1126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04999991 = 1.1 BTC [-] {2}
dub: poached, scrambled and scotch?
dub: fertilised?
TomServo: mmm. scotch.
TomServo: There's a Laphroaig in my near future.
nubbins`: lovely
nubbins`: the trick with these "the way i like my women" jokes is to fool people into assuming the wrong thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.04070104 = 0.6105 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: i like my coffee the way i like my women!
nubbins`: "hot?"
nubbins`: "nope. strong, black, and slightly bitter"
pankkake: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26059710 The company also reported a net loss of $645m
ozbot: BBC News - Shares in Twitter plummet after user growth slows
ThickAsThieves: just when i started using it!
dub: its coz I stopped using twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 349 @ 0.00172845 = 0.6032 BTC [-]
Rick_: any one can reach mircea?
Duffer1: anything we might be able to help you with?
Rick_: i withdrawed some btc
Rick_: but i cant reach him now
Duffer1: do you know how to send a PM?
Rick_: no
Rick_: how
Duffer1: <---double click his name, type stuff in the new window, he'll probably get back to you when he's around
dub: you could try emailing
Rick_: i used query,but he seems not there
Rick_: I emailed him yesterday,no reply yet
dub: withdrawals are not automatic in case you were wondering, usually processed daily iirc
Rick_: he is not here for last hours?
dub: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> but anyway. got shit to do so, later.
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Rick_: okay,thank you everyonw
Rick_: everyone
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7bf585cc9d80896b61cdd4c2b7d03d0/tumblr_mrozsgPB1j1ri7ljko1_500.jpg
pankkake: nipplelicious
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/dffac7160219b41f4b5d67ee3ca3f8cf/tumblr_mr9ck62xTC1qdhe8eo1_500.jpg
ThickAsThieves: pankakke, plz note pm, in case you missed it
pankkake: I saw it, I'm working
KRS-One: those are the kind of girls that when you see them wake up in the morning without the hair and makeup they look like hell
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
pankkake: actually it seems you were right, using the source from bluematt seems to WORK!!
ThickAsThieves: i jate being right
ThickAsThieves: hate
pankkake: some of the magic changed values I guessed were already changed, including the one I couldn't figure out
pankkake: and now it's syncing
ThickAsThieves: awesome
dub: Please be advised that BTC on MtGox are not fractional.
dub: we just don't have enough to cash erryone out
ThickAsThieves: but how will we send small transactions!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086853 = 5.9929 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to use altcoins
dub: Im long doge
dub: in anticipation
benkay: in case your curious what kind of work i do, client number one just cut over and emerged from embargo
benkay: you're
benkay: http://plantlust.com
ThickAsThieves: you build carts?
dub: you fuck plants?
truffles: you're curious?
ThickAsThieves: well i'm vegan at least
truffles: oh no
benkay: we dragged the frontend kicking and screaming into 2014, dragged an ancient django application from 1.2 to 1.4, delivered myriad performance improvements totalling in excess of 10x across the whole stack, and implemented distributed work queues to decrease the risk of large data processing jobs
ThickAsThieves: it looks nice
mike_c: why 1.4 instead of 1.6?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt even feel scammed if i sent them money
ThickAsThieves: hmm it's not even a cart
benkay: the next development iteration is going to focus on putting a 'buy' button next to each plant, redesigning the remaining pages that look like they're from 2006, taking people's money when they do click buy and turning into a plant on their doorstep, using the 56+ nurseries the site owner already has relationships with for distributed development
ThickAsThieves: oops
ThickAsThieves: ah
KRS-One: fuck plants, they are boring.
benkay: distributed fulfillment
mike_c: boring is good. no scooping poop.
truffles: plants take work man
Duffer1: infinite scroll would be nice
benkay: 1.4 was necessary for some particular features, i forget what precisely. chose to not go all the way to 1.6 to mitigate risk.
benkay: oh yeah, did i mention the stack automation and rearchitecture?
Duffer1: it's a great looking sight though, i love the homepage
benkay: there was enough risk in this project that 1.6 made me uncomfortable and i stopped the upgrade at the release that bought us the features we needed.
truffles: they should have a subcategory "exotic plants"
benkay: thanks! the owner did the wires and we implemented it.
benkay: anyways, we have availability for other projects.
mike_c: i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk
truffles: fruits*
ThickAsThieves: benkay, have you ever done anything in online education software
mike_c: bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with.
benkay: i've played with plenty.
benkay: is there something specific to the online education software domain that's not applicable to general webappery?
ThickAsThieves: nope
benkay: what are you curious about?
ThickAsThieves: just having a bad run with the team on it
ThickAsThieves: and the two before that
benkay: ouch
benkay: what's the stack?
ThickAsThieves: i'm pretty far removed from it now
ThickAsThieves: it's LAMP
truffles: http://plantlust.com/plants/solanum-muricatum/ wonder how this tastes , looks interesting
ozbot: Solanum muricatum | Pepino Dulce | Pear Melon | Sweet Cucumber| plant lust
ThickAsThieves: PHP
benkay: phpbrekla's your man for that
ThickAsThieves: he'd probly cry at this code
dub: I heard tux might be in the market
benkay: company line on php is "we're only interested in the project if the client is prepared to make a large investment in moving away from php"
benkay: that said we can always manage a project and assemble a team for the right price.
benkay: there is a php fee tho :(
ThickAsThieves: the investment, in my eyes, would be in a team that can be counted on and is proficient
ThickAsThieves: the PHP is incidental
pankkake: I used to be in a php shop, but we did pass twice on a project that was simply… impossible to comprehend
ThickAsThieves: of course cost determines all in the end
ThickAsThieves: they are finally installing the new version of the software onto a live server this week
ThickAsThieves: after like 18mos
benkay: ka yikes
benkay: first thing we typically do is set up infrastructure, CI and low-friction deploys.
ThickAsThieves: and I had bigger plans for it, so it needs ongoing work
jurov: https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments
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truffles: too free?
benkay: There is a clear need for governments to be able to hold internet users accountable for their actions if they are engaged in performing or supporting illegal activities.
benkay: my ass
truffles: end of irc?
benkay: there is a clear need for networks that route around governments.
dub: cracknet at it again
benkay: anyways, thanks for enduring my pitch, -assets.
truffles: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed makes me think of this
ozbot: April Jones: Matthew Woods jailed over explicit Facebook comments | UK news | The Guardian
Duffer1: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2014#476255 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
ThickAsThieves: benkay i was considering a business path of: 1. Implement and use it with this school, work out bugs, add anything obviously needed 2. Approach several clients in other training fields (Hazardous Goods Shipping for example) and offer hosted solutions, making the software cater to more industries 3. Convert to SaaS DIY Training Lesson Builder
ThickAsThieves: it's been a while since i looked into possible competition though
benkay: sounds like a great model
benkay: eh i wouldn't worry about competition. instead, focus on landing clients, making them happy and taking their money.
ThickAsThieves: well as things form i may hit you up for costing
dub: Duffer1: oh boy
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dub: wake up the philosoraptor
truffles: " we have contacted or been contacted by law enforcement agencies and provided our co-operation" but why :(
truffles: irc srs biz
ThickAsThieves: whats that truffles?
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truffles: didnt know these networks would invovle law into matters with users
Duffer1: TaT it's from Jurov's link above
Duffer1: GCHQ ddosing irc
jayk: government?
jayk: yeah quakenet
jayk: lame
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1113 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086976 = 7.6539 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
pankkake: [2014-02-07 00:11:21] Network difficulty changed to 62.7k (449.0Gh/s)
pankkake: I guess I should still be able to find blocks solo
dub: doge?
pankkake: Altcoin
KRS-One: U guys ready for teh pump
KRS-One: lol@sturles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00301007 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: sourcecodez! https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin
ThickAsThieves: someone plz confirm i github'd that right
ThickAsThieves: i'm a newb
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pankkake: that works
ThickAsThieves: cool
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00086813 = 12.067 BTC [-]
dub: need to make another build box
dub: can't play with the other kids
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