benkay: actually told someone 'no, this 10k LOC won't get you all the way to your dream business, but it will get you selling crap online and that'll be enough to raise the remaining 40k to pay us to make the rest of the thing for you' recently.
benkay: 'fart up for less! come to cascadia.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00083899 = 5.1598 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48357 @ 0.00084511 = 40.867 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: feh, people running ads to implore people to go vote for the eurocircus. the only winning move is to get one of dem euroseats, sign in for the day (for the money) then bugger off immediately.
mircea_popescu: bounce the only few times i ever wenbt to bruxelles i used to live-in with a friend that did exactly that.
mircea_popescu: If schools cannot justify differentials in rates of punishment by race or ethnic group, they will face the loss of federal funds and be forced to undertake costly diversity training. The nation's educators can avoid sanctions by adopting a racial quota system for student discipline. So as Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, predicts, "school officials will either start discip
mircea_popescu: lining students who shouldn't be, or, more likely, will not discipline some students who ought to be."
mircea_popescu: i fucking use this for my own benefit, as it happens. "i've not spanked anyone in a long time, who'd like a red butt ?"
bounce now regrets not cozying up to the local parties to get on the would be lucky free money lists
bounce: then again, it'd mean campaigning. I'm not that fond of lying through my teeth.
benkay: someone got run over in this town because they were doing pushups in the middle of the street at 4 am.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00084805 = 5.2062 BTC [+]
benkay: well it's dinner party o'clock for sane people hereabouts. keep pumping neobee mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00600152 = 1.2723 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: Portland police first received a call at 4:04 a.m. reporting a naked man was running through traffic near Columbia and Portsmouth Ave.
mircea_popescu: While police were on their way to the scene, they received a call stating that the naked man was now doing pushups in the street.
mircea_popescu: Still en route, police received a third call reporting that the man had been struck by a vehicle.
benkay: nobody can move fast enough to save the retarded and drug addled from theyselves.
dub: [15:26] --- gesell1 [~gesell@p2003004546563A19D55BF2EA363B137A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-analysis
dub: [15:29] <gesell1> !up
dub: [15:29] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
dub: look what you have done
dub: [15:30] <gesell1> !up
dub: [15:30] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
cazalla: benkay: we have public safety warnings here in australia to warn people not to sleep on the road
cazalla: pushups would be an improvement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07679645 = 3.0719 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03300109 = 0.363 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00084787 = 1.8653 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.469901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03225525 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46577258 = 2.3289 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.00084504 = 11.3599 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03263302 = 0.3263 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330011 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307 @ 0.00084387 = 0.2591 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i *think* it's based off some comment of mine from x years ago that being an admin is being a superservant not a superuser.
mircea_popescu: isn't that a substitute punishment for poor people that can't pay fines ?
mircea_popescu: you've gotten nustso socialist over there btw. i mean wtf is this, community service ? i wouldn't have graduated.
mircea_popescu: "I use "sign" in the widest sense of the definition. It is a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition." << this may actuallty be the only case where popular use actually coincides with scientific use.
mircea_popescu: apparently lulzing @the us contemporary nonsense has a name and an acronym. neoreactionary!
mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008458 = 1.607 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not to do with skin color, but with this 1500s political divide.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00084763 = 2.7548 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330001 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084805 = 9.795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00084806 = 11.8728 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084404 = 5.1486 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46904602 = 2.3452 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.0013 = 0.26 BTC [-]
mike_c: link it with your ref to the homepage
mike_c: or wait a few days and I'll have a script that you can include in the page that will link it to the bet it is displaying with your ref address.
mike_c: ooh, i see the once a month s.mpoe sale is in effect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2426 @ 0.00084342 = 2.0461 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07616 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 917 @ 0.00084497 = 0.7748 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07580996 = 0.379 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 80 @ 0.00298124 = 0.2385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00084497 = 7.2667 BTC [+]
ozbot: Peer-to-Peer Lender Prosper Marketplace to Get $70 Million in Funding - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: "The investment –seven months after a $25-million infusion by Sequoia Capital, BlackRock and other investors—underscores a growing appetite to fuel a fledgling but fast-growing disintermediation of conventional banking."
ThickAsThieves: "Prosper has originated more than $1 billion in unsecured personal loans. “We will hit our second billion this year,” Mr. Vermut said."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1283 @ 0.00084497 = 1.0841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00084538 = 0.4371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084538 = 2.5784 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 103 @ 0.00120693 = 0.1243 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03256997 = 0.1954 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03299999 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03349935 = 0.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.0065999 = 0.363 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349868 = 0.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 99 @ 0.00289999 = 0.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4751101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084536 = 5.6639 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00084677 = 1.2278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084684 = 5.7585 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2821 @ 0.00084444 = 2.3822 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11618 @ 0.0008481 = 9.8532 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07699999 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00084306 = 11.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00084189 = 6.2721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084319 = 2.5717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00084169 = 6.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3041 @ 0.00084169 = 2.5596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1293 @ 0.00084319 = 1.0902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.0044013 = 0.1628 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3258 @ 0.0008429 = 2.7462 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5651 @ 0.0008413 = 4.7542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00084054 = 12.0617 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: PRISMICIDE - OPEN SECURITY PLATFORM
Naphex: smart cards pretty much naturally integrate with bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46734 = 1.402 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4655 = 0.931 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00083948 = 3.1598 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: i didn't realize it has a random number generator built in; I find it hard to believe it's cryptographically secure
Naphex: i have been working a lot with smart cards/desfire3
Naphex: desfire3 / rfid cards are a bit more secure imho, but there you go
Naphex: still wouldn't store 10000000 bitcoins on it, but its pretty safe and secure for the regulars
Naphex: and deffinetly a step up
Naphex: normal people, who want to use bitcoin
danielpbarron: do you mean the individuals who should just stay in FIAT?
Naphex: i mean whoever use bitcoin for normal purchases, and would want a 'secure' hot wallet
Naphex: google play gift cards
assbot: Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.
bawse: Thats nice of you, I really wish you the best and was touched when you accepted my apology.
danielpbarron: is hash-selling still a scam, or did someone figure out a way to make that a legit business?
Naphex: anyway regarding smart cards and rng, for bitcoin is not that much worry-some cause you can just store your private key on it and use that to sign the transactions
random_cat_: anyone know the software (i think meteor based) developed at MIT (i think, maybe at cambridge) which allows for data protection against a hostile server operator?
Naphex: so you can use whatever rng and store/transmit it securely
Naphex: danielpbarron: if i'm bored i'd roll the dice and upload it on the card using a clean linux/busybox boot ;]
danielpbarron: i assumed that a built-in RNG on the card meant that the key was generated on the card
Naphex: on an offline computer, in a lead room
Naphex: danielpbarron: nah the card can sign the transactions
Naphex: you can if you want use the rng to generate a priv key, but you can just as well upload one
danielpbarron: if the infected computer can just write to the card
Naphex: danielpbarron: you realize you can lock the card down in lots of ways after
Naphex: if you want you can do SmartOS auth before writeing a key, or just burn it down to read only
Naphex: so it can never be written again
Naphex: the point is, you can get the smart card to just sign transactions
Naphex: removing you and your pc from your private key
danielpbarron: don't you also need cryptographically secure RNG to do the signing?
assbot: Insufficient rights, jurov, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
Naphex: danielpbarron: not for signing
Naphex: only for generating keys
bawse: hash selling is legit
bawse: for people who do not have btc and want cloud mining
dub: you just invent the PMB
assbot: Insufficient rights, bawse, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
ozbot: The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
dub: mine tells the same tale
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot PsychoticBoy
jurov: ;;rate PsychoticBoy 1 one of the first coinbr users
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PsychoticBoy has been recorded.
bawse: im only selling hashing power through cex in the hopes of selling 1gh for the price of 2, hoping the person signs up under my link so i can make 3% of what he buys in the future. and also initially buy 1gh with the extra $3.31 i charged. Plus PMB's are tales of people who do not know how to cash out BTC at $165 more than they are worth like I do.
bawse: im just saying if my 1583gh cointerra only makes 32 or .09 in this market, i can make $60 with .09
bawse: so im ok with this. others are not ok.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00084412 = 7.4283 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: myeah. since 2012, the exact sort of nonsense has been field by the exact sort of people involved in pmbs.
Naphex: danielpbarron: to clarify, when you do ECDSA signatures you do need 1 random integer (required to be different) called K, but even in most bitcoin implementation it is generated deterministcally d
bawse: im not involved in pmbs
mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
mircea_popescu: televisions are more than 100% cheaper nao, don't you know.
Naphex: thats nice cause i broke mine a week ago:(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07797899 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's not ready for prime timez yet
ozbot: Microsoft Challenges U.S. Search... - Live And Invest Overseas News
mircea_popescu: magistrate judges. they aren't judges in any sense, but they think they may opine on matters.
assbot: Voicing tank100 for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140875.36 in 1608 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.06
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 15691264 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.85
wywialm: ofc, i just had to authenticate
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30648 Time: 2014-05-05T08:30:22Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000005602eb8602ae9b1dd97624573f1a7d520feb684a95219cd4da1 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 204 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084239 = 1.4742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00083986 = 0.5199 BTC [-]
random_cat_: are there any search engines that work any more? :|
Naphex: mircea_popescu: regarding DNS2address resolve for bitcoin, i am setting up an updated example that includes support for BIP32 xpub keys for address derivation
Naphex: very usefull, especially for payments processing and account resolve
Naphex: you could encode pub key to specifiy user_id on a deposit system
Naphex: then it can just derive xN payments for that specific user while reusing addresses each time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07553694 = 0.7554 BTC [-]
Naphex: tree would be MasterWallet/User_ID/Payment_ID
Naphex: listener can just scan xpubs, while only remembering last payment id
Naphex: could throw that all in cold wallets and just do realtime processing
Naphex: i will prolly document it after i have a full working example, prolly with some client front end to demo it
mircea_popescu: it sounds great but you want to have it looked at by multiple pairs of eyes.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, is the rating of 10 appropriate to reflect the fact that I operate numerisTrade account? Or should I set the rating to 1 not to prop up "total trust" (I'm aware that total trust should not be taken into account heavily, but still..)
assbot: Voicing pactr for 30 minutes.
gribble: You rated user nanotube on Wed Aug 3 15:08:50 2011, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: owner of otc and all around reasonable guy.
mircea_popescu: that's a for instance. i know enough about the guy to tell you that if you're using the wot you're implicitly trusting him.
wywialm: i'm asking cause I was just accused in the -otc of shilling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00083986 = 5.753 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway they should chillax, plenty of people have a ton of meaningless -10s
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'anduck'
fluffypony: wywialm: don't get fussed over -otc, they throw tantrums about how to rate every few days lately
fluffypony: even after having things pointed out they like to argue minutiae and wording on the wiki
mircea_popescu: i mean people usually derp about how bad trolls are on the internet
assbot: Insufficient rights, fluffypony, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Need a nickname, fluffypony.
assbot: Voicing wywialm without time-limit.
assbot: Really, mircea_popescu?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm keen, give me details
mircea_popescu: it used to be that if you uped yourself for 30 mins, anyone could down you and it stuck. then kako broke it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves money laundering is the only conceivable explanation.
mircea_popescu: artifexd is one a penguin and the other a flashing gif ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano << secure is a relative, not an absolute term.
artifexd: In which case, no. I have something that looks like a stylized R.
artifexd: They both look vastly different than earlier.
mircea_popescu: there is some skulldruggery going on here. 1 sec i show you.
artifexd: Seriously. I'm getting "This is the default web page for this server." on the port 80 url.
fluffypony: it looked like that standard key server interface earlier, now it has css
artifexd: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that something is screwy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00084169 = 13.2566 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03152036 = 0.2837 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: so. the plain domain has a penguin. the :11371 however has a changing icon
Apocalyptic: so no trilema article regarding that convo with bitcoingirl I guess
artifexd: I get the R. But when I paste the url to imgur, it shows a key.
mircea_popescu: there ios some possibility someone is using the favicon to track people visiting the server
artifexd: It is resolving to 82.15.145.10 for me.
bounce: all zat fanzy vheb teknologie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 89 @ 0.00120125 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00084453 = 3.5048 BTC [+]
ozbot: Shrimper who caught rare goblin shark: "Man, he's ugly" - CNN.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03310666 = 0.1986 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.03257564 = 1.2704 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00084453 = 7.5163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084447 = 3.0401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00084305 = 1.0538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00083986 = 4.7032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00083986 = 2.2256 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3121 @ 0.00014072 = 0.4392 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14465 @ 0.00084242 = 12.1856 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00084628 = 9.4394 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03317899 = 0.2323 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.00084745 = 2.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 52 @ 0.00610025 = 0.3172 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00084355 = 4.2017 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 738 @ 0.00083948 = 0.6195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07797989 = 0.4679 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03226167 = 0.2581 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00083948 = 7.8911 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00601001 = 1.3523 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
jurov: i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat, now im reading wikipedia:
jurov: Though it initially produces general symptoms like fatigue, it can rapidly progress from fever, headache and neck stiffness to coma and death.
jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases.
jurov: *breathes heavily*
jurov: and to think i had sore throad on and off for months
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0008491 = 5.8588 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: and that's like fourth time i got completely improbable bacteria diagnosed, including some special superbacteria from iraq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07797989 = 0.2339 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07798863 = 2.7296 BTC [+] {4}
davout: ThickAsThieves: wonder how that will be implemented tho
davout: EUR IOUs are basically e-money, so it's either
davout: they let anyone hold them
davout: or they let only known customers hold them
davout: former case they're ripe for ML abuse and whatnot
davout: latter case there's not much point
davout: it's interesting that they do that since ripple will then be a direct competitor to both kraken and bitcoin.de
davout: (and to bitcoin-central as well obv. but they have no stake in it, so that's not really the same)
ThickAsThieves: <+davout> or they let only known customers hold them //// itll be this
Apocalyptic: maybe they don't want to have all the egs in the same basket
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
davout: ThickAsThieves: i don't really see anything wrong with ripple as long as you take it for what it actually is : a mechanism to transmit debt, for which you have to buy stamps from a single company
davout: ThickAsThieves: bitcoin doesn't work for the "same purposes", bitcoin is about cash, ripple is about debt
ThickAsThieves: well in the case of their own stated purpose, the difference is semantic, no?
ThickAsThieves: they wanna use it to send money fast all over the place
davout: well, for certain values of money it works, for the ones we're interested in it's irrelevant
davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way
ThickAsThieves: “Ripple enables us to securely and instantly send money anywhere in the world at no additional cost and through the same customer facing products and relationships we offer today.”
Apocalyptic: <davout> it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07799076 = 1.1699 BTC [+] {2}
davout: it's the "anywhere in the world" part that's misleading, that's not actually true, the cash EUR never leaves fidor
ThickAsThieves: i'm not stating it as a competitor to bitcoin, so much as the reverse
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
pankkake: well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash
pankkake: except it's closer to Bernankoin's cash than to Bitcoin's cash
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the thing is XRP is bound to be depleted
pankkake: you can also create other altcoins in ripple
Apocalyptic: and then the rest of tx will be realised through debt transmission
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purpose // I argue the purpose is clearly different
Apocalyptic: it may look like they want to achieve the same things, but they don't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00084948 = 8.0276 BTC [+]
davout: pankkake: "well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash" <<< yes
davout: pankkake: "you can also create other altcoins in ripple <<< i don't think so or i misunderstand sthg
davout: Apocalyptic: that fits the definition of a stamp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084948 = 2.3785 BTC [+]
pankkake: davout: the trick is to create a currency and not do anything with it
davout: pankkake: well then it's just some IOU for nothing, not really an altcoin in the sense that it doesn't work in the same ways cryptos do
pankkake: but bitcoin is also an IOU for nothing
davout: but it works with a blockchain
davout: i guess if that's what you define as an "altcoin" then we are in agreement
ThickAsThieves: "[Disclosure: Andreessen Horowitz partners Marc Andreessen, Jeff Jordan, and Chris Dixon are investors in Pando.]"
davout: i really am curious to see how that will actually work
ThickAsThieves: " Smart money, however, is on the fact that today’s Fidor announcement will be the first domino in a long chain of such adoptions.
ThickAsThieves: Just like data wants to be free, money wants to move like data. Ripple is looking more and more like the rails on which that money will move."
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1173 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.9776% in 7d 19h 27m 48s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23174 @ 0.00084784 = 19.6478 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: someone should write an article loudly claiming Apple is buying Ripple and they'll be calling it Rapple
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 538 @ 0.00087878 = 0.4728 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00088099 = 0.1762 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00087008 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00084943 = 39.0738 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
bitcoingirl: Hi doesn't anyone have any thoughts on the SaveGox campaign?
bitcoingirl: or doesn't any know the status of the class action law suits?
pankkake: the question is what is there to save
ThickAsThieves: i think, while it seems silly, Gox probably does have some brand equity
mod6: or why would it be worth saving at all?
pankkake: the userbase doesn't like mtgox. it always sucked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 410 @ 0.00084987 = 0.3484 BTC [+]
bitcoingirl: <+ThickAsThieves> right, that's the argument
jurov: there is *no way* to make investors whole again
jurov: or, what do you mean with it bitcoingirl?
ThickAsThieves: making investors whole is indeed unlikely, but it's also impossible if they liquidate
ThickAsThieves: it's very difficult to tell how much more money could be put back into users' hands though
bitcoingirl: Karples hasn't agreed to the settlement, why do you think he would rather liquidate?
ThickAsThieves: who the hell wants to run the new mt gox with such a cloud and debt hanging over its head
bitcoingirl: the settlement has a "Prosecution Fund" provision that would go after stolen customer assets
bitcoingirl: Sunlot Holdings was formed for this very reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03269759 = 0.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.46514286 = 6.512 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.46000287 = 7.36 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.45161666 = 5.4194 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5940 @ 0.00084811 = 5.0378 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony thank you for your question suggestions for the Bitcoin2014 conference
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: pleasure, I couldn't think of any others offhand
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
Naphex: bitcoingirl: you should learn about gpg and WoT and stuff if you're gonna hang ;]
Naphex: or you might lose that + and won't be able to talk in channel
gribble: User 'BitcoinGirl', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1MYtkWgJifWpLdjiK7AcLgGUhZNP297orA, registered on Sun Apr 7 20:05:51 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 18:05:51 2013.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=BitcoinGirl . Currently not authenticated.
Naphex: might be some different bitcoin girl ;]
gribble: User 'bitcoinGuy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13Q4dgxB8g15Kfd2hjGqs2tviJq7kCAFic, registered on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013, last authed on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitcoinGuy . Currently not authenticated.
jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoinnigga
jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoingypsy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6971 @ 0.00084811 = 5.9122 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2322 @ 0.00085028 = 1.9744 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing kermit for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15383 @ 0.0008504 = 13.0817 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Statecraft or Witchcraft?
jurov: How was the US State Department been busy in Ukraine?
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, any idea why cryptome is still up ?
ozbot: Wisconsin political candidate Mark Clear returns bitcoin donations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00085081 = 11.4009 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085129 = 14.2165 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07500756 = 7.5008 BTC [-] {16}
jurov: well, if orlov's right, russia is right on way to extens its eugenic program to whole eurasia soon
jurov: does it at least have more citizens than 100 years ago?
jurov: really, all these slaughters of own citizens..what other purpose it could have then eugenics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00084811 = 3.6469 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07135379 = 7.1354 BTC [-] {11}
jurov: lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084811 = 7.9722 BTC [-]
mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges.
fluffypony: I believe "they" are on "their" way to arrest him right this minute
jurov: should i hde, too?
fluffypony: hide yo wife, hide yo kids, coz they're raping erry-one out there
mike_c: probably. antartica is coming down hard on all btc bizness
pankkake: understandable, it's melting because of it
jurov: wut, 40BTC is meltdown?
fluffypony: because bitcoin...electricity...heat...uh....
Apocalyptic: jurov, like an iceberg, it's melting under the water
ThickAsThieves: probably just someone has a buttload of mpoe and unloads once in a while when they can
mike_c: antartica exchange commission. duh.
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.95, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 7341.92636950, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 435.070993586
fluffypony: the charge sheet is right there with the INTERPOL RED CARD that the ref has given Danny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0714004 = 1.071 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07068462 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14163 @ 0.00085146 = 12.0592 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25313 @ 0.00085193 = 21.5649 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony huh? I don't even see Danny wanted in Cyprus on Interpol
ozbot: View the profile of blackkys
fluffypony: "Also European and International arrest warrants have been issued together with an Interpol Red Notice."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [-]
fluffypony: then when he's pressured to demonstrate that these exist he just keeps batting it away
fluffypony: because Danny has committed a Very Seriouz Felony (tm)
pankkake: will it stop once they can't try to pump neobeeQ anymore?
mike_c: if anyone here is doing that history of failures, you should screen grab the neebeeq stuff quick
mike_c: yeah, i was thinking of lulzy havelock updates and what-not. i guess those are probably preserved in bitcointa.lk somewhere.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.277E-5 / 0.00001700 (17434 shares, 0.22257403 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.149E-5 / 0.00006970 (205360 shares, 4.41329943 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011594 / 0.00045000 (675713 shares, 78.33886123 BTC)
pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4508002 = 2.254 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044301 = 0.2038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00443005 = 0.4519 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.07778191 = 2.4112 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.65503744 BTC to 8`448 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.0008526 = 14.5368 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 23.70000000 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 79 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3065 @ 0.00014052 = 0.4307 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00085436 = 7.9028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085202 = 8.861 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: aand, it's gone. ah, interesting bitbet: what will be the next fund delisted from havelock? could be one every month!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001455 = 0.291 BTC [-]
benkay: what'd havelock delist?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07773006 = 0.3109 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd bet some of these mining ops
benkay: <jurov> i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat << how much d'ya want for coinbr? :D
jurov: just for you.. 50k btc?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.98, Best ask: 434.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 434.0, 24 hour volume: 8376.14788294, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 434.910659841
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083894 / 0.00084562 / 0.00085436 (810968 shares, 685.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00094575 / 0.00098485 (4986284 shares, 4,715.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096384 / 0.00101 (19586724 shares, 18,878.50 BTC)
benkay: ;;calc 0.0.00083894 * 1000000000
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
benkay: ;;calc 0.00083894 * 1000000000
benkay: every thing is dumb and i am hungover
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00435527 = 1.3066 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00430255 = 1.2908 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00085436 = 3.496 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00603906 = 0.302 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086495 = 4.9735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00085891 = 9.2762 BTC [-]
pankkake: I'm now getting quantum physics spam (in French). apparently, it's a new way of healing
benkay: i failed to bookmark the 'how would you like that wrapped up' editorial cartoon re: bitcoin. does anyone else have the link handy?
mike_c: is that a word? you mean grazie?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 440 @ 0.00132 = 0.5808 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07598128 = 0.3799 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 850 @ 0.00014474 = 0.123 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: gratzie? grazie? which is correct?
benkay: (not implying i mispelled, i am actually that illiterate)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00085262 = 4.7499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03263836 = 0.3264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.45012562 = 3.601 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
mike_c: chetty: um, sit back and make money? sounds pretty scammy.
mike_c: making 50% a month? panacea oughta put their money with these guys.
chetty: yeah thats what I was thinking - and they take btc to "invest"
mike_c: this is better than pirate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03263836 = 0.1632 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: and they are "strong. loyal innovative."
chetty: certainly has a certain fragrance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00014747 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
pankkake: not the first fiat ponzi scam to accept btc. but this one looks better (css wise)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0324589 = 0.1623 BTC [-] {5}
chetty: I dont actually recognize any of the other payment methods they have listed
punkman: (from Rockwell about page)
punkman: "1% on non-trading days" lol
mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane.
fluffypony: mike_c: they won't make a single payment
mike_c: not really a ponzi then, just straight stealing.
ozbot: Rockwell-Partners - rockwell-partners.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0322001 = 0.322 BTC [-]
fluffypony: so basically you circle-jerk with your affiliate link
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <nubbins`> was going through a real meatspace phase D;
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00084983 = 26.7696 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2660 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3989 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4501 = 0.9002 BTC [+]
mike_c: pankkake: have you seen the last s.mg report? i thought of you when reading about the package maintainer job (cuz of altcoin).
bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
pankkake: mike_c: not sure why because of altcoin, but packages is something I know well
pankkake: and you don't usually have to understand the language, just the build systems (which all suck, no exceptions :p)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00014469 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: well, because you put together the altcoin code, no?
mike_c: in any case, seemed up your alley :)
bounce: agreed. looking at the differences is interesting in a chinese sort of way, though.
pankkake: altering a few values, and running make, sure :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3889 BTC [+]
pankkake: or it's a joke about pancakes :)
ozbot: An introduction to Jam
mike_c: i thought my article was positive on s.mpoe. i don't think its my fault.
mike_c: just because i can't figure it out doesn't mean much
mike_c: feel the power of btcalpha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00085314 = 1.8325 BTC [+]
bounce: ``Jam is a small open-source build tool that can be used as a replacement for Make.'' -- this is where I stop reading.
mike_c: built by same guy as perforce i believe, which i am a fan of.
mike_c: chetty: why did you pick jam?
bounce: what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?
fluffypony: I have no idea what you're talking about, bounce
bounce: my pet theory is that there's a class of kids fascinated with building tools but aren't quite cut out to write compilers... so they stick to make "replacements" instead.
chetty: mike_c, crystalspace was already using it, natural progression
bounce: once you do understand how Make rules actually work, most of the problems people experience with make go away. and then the "better, easier" replacements are just pots of syntactic sugar. like, oh, ant for example.
mike_c: i can understand not wanting to rewrite crystalspace's build files though.
bounce: cmake isn't a make replacement, it's a autofools replacement, loaded with colourfully painted godawful bikesheds and inducing more dependency pressure on the most common user (the non-dev compiler)
bounce: in that sense it's strictly worse than autofools. some accomplishment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085052 = 7.9949 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 728 @ 0.00014988 = 0.1091 BTC [+]
artifexd: <fluffypony> or CMake << +1 like retweet upvote
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00085355 = 9.0553 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00430039 = 0.2236 BTC [-] {2}
Rulother: Well nothing really, just on my auto list and been coming here for a little over a year
Rulother: Nice to chime in from time to time depending on the convo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3111 BTC [+]
Rulother: Well I promise you I've been here before :P
fluffypony: he's said ~1600 lines over the past year
danielpbarron: Rulother: if you auth with gribble, i'll give you a +1 so you can voice yourself in the future
Rulother: I'll get on that when I can. At work, atm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085261 = 5.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00085205 = 6.6034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00085205 = 8.0519 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07777999 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45 = 1.8 BTC [-]
ozbot: Don’t Trust Bitcoin Startups That Centralize Everything | TechCrunch
davout: fluffypony: "don't like wormy apples? have a steak instead"
fluffypony: it's basically Blockchain.info talking about decentralisation
fluffypony: "ohai don't use a centralised provider...except us for your webwallet. we're fine."
fluffypony: "Finally, when the conversation moved to alternative coins, Smith also shared that he is bullish on dogecoins. “In terms of the alternative currencies that I like, I really like dogecoins. I got 3,600 dogecoins by selling an inflatable penguin,” he said."
fluffypony: because on a scale of 1 to reasons-to-be-bullish-on-an-altcoin, being able to sell an inflatable penguin is right up there with "has the word Dark in the name"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0322 = 0.2576 BTC [-] {4}
Naphex: my fav part is how blockchain api carries password through cloudflare ssl passthru
davout: Naphex: you sure it does ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085205 = 8.6909 BTC [-]
fluffypony: davout: API, not regular web wallet access
danielpbarron: i got like 500 free dogecoins a while back; turned it into BTC (what's that, a couple hundred satoshi?)
davout: Naphex: ah ty, didn't know about this API
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah I think it's ~1 mil doge to the BTC
davout: i really can't believe they have such a thing...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6654 @ 0.00085232 = 5.6713 BTC [+]
davout: Naphex: not that having the password transit in clear was really necessary to get pwned by the cloudflare heresy anyway
davout: just fuck with the JS on the fly
ozbot: The CloudFlare MITM | Paymium
Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me
Naphex: you pay for a varnish cache and a nginx ssl PT
Naphex: and they get to read all your trafic, fun
Naphex: varnish doesn't support ssl, so i'd bet that they will PT through regular
http pretty often
mike_c: davout: same thing for aws. their load balancer sits in front of your servers and handles SSL termination for you
Naphex: use a good DC and you will get most services top notch, imo
Naphex: together with great ddos protection and quality support, for an easy time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0321003 = 0.1605 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "5 days before this article was written Cloudflare started offering Full (Strict) SSL, where traffic between Cloudflare and the origin server is encrypted AND the origin server’s cert is validated."
mike_c: that sounds like a rosy assessment of DC's. where the hell do you host?
davout: i'm thinking about e-mail based APIs against DDoS
fluffypony: Naphex: CloudFlare is AMAZING for non-critical services
Naphex: mike_c: i use a industrial dc, usually services high end clients that have their own admins and servers
fluffypony: for $5 a month I get an SSL cert and can use a snake-oil self-signed on the server
fluffypony: I would never in a million years use it for something that is critical/financial
kakobrekla: davout did you make any efforts to be included in rtbtc?
davout: kakobrekla: i have a FIX interface in one the pans that's currently cooking
Naphex: their website seems off with 404's, but you get an account manager, so no shitty web support and services
davout: kakobrekla: i don't think so
Naphex: davout: i had a fix interface in master for a while but no point in launching it, 0 demand
Naphex: and work is focused on other stuff
davout: Naphex: what did you use ?
davout: i mean, didja write it all yourself?
Naphex: yeah, i was evaluating other protocols and did a fix impl for tests.
Naphex: davout: you should check out open fast, for fixfast if you're doing it in java
ozbot: OpenFAST 1.1.2 API
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2205 @ 0.0001429 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {8}
Naphex: but i use a protobuf-like protocol in binary for the server backend
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00085411 = 7.8271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07584429 = 0.3034 BTC [-]
bounce: what, literally impale?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085274 = 7.9731 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: fluffypony: its been raining some
fluffypony: Naphex: Bucharest got these cool mini-icebergs
fluffypony: I would float a mini-titanic around them
bounce: geez wtf pix. what's going on there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00085232 = 8.651 BTC [-]
bounce: huh, serious optimism waiting at the bus in ankle deep ice water. here the busses'll stop going at a few cm snow
bounce: gah translate.google.com shits itself.
davout: asciilifeform: interesting pics, what's the point of the article? what are all the circled things about?
davout: there seems to be in a pair of pictures, the implication that one of the dead dudes was also present at some protest
davout: asciilifeform: nvm, gt seems to be doing an allright job ru->fr
mike_c: Naphex: they look pretty good. ever had the occassion to test out the ddos mitigation?
davout: asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary
davout: that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим
davout: сломали шеи - профессионалы развлекались."
davout: yeah, the guy with the sunnies seems to be corroborating that
davout: guess i'm missing a lot of context here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085222 = 8.3944 BTC [-] {2}
davout: sounds pretty sensible
davout: or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00085355 = 6.656 BTC [+]
Naphex: mike_c: not really, best i had was like 30mbs
Naphex: mike_c: but its deffinetly there they host some big nodes pretty close
Naphex: (internet exchange nodes)
mike_c: i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)
Naphex: sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085437 = 2.734 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: Thanks to the miracle of whois, I'm receiving phone calls about a car in the parking lot.
Namworld: Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.
Namworld: They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0322 = 0.483 BTC [-]
mod6: gonna restart atcbot, hang tight.
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
atcbot: 41 minutes and 31 seconds
mod6: there you go BingoBoingo
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224
mike_c: %tx 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c
atcbot: [ATC TX] TX_ID: 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c Block: 30671 Confirmations: 6 Time: 2014-05-05T18:42:52Z Fee: 0.00000000 Days Destroyed: 666.67 IsUnconfirmed: false Sum of Incoming TXs: 250 Sum of Outgoing TXs: 250
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0328999 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: %bal 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k
atcbot: [ATC Balance] Address: 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k Balance: 1872583.9047 Total Received: 1872583.9047 Number TXs: 3 Confirmations: 2
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0321003 = 0.2568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03264275 = 0.1306 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0326975 = 0.1308 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00085456 = 12.5193 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.
ozbot: North Korea’s news agency writes “news analysis” of American life.
mike_c: for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.
dub: BingoBoingo: they nailed it
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've got so much logs to catch up on
mod6: BingoBoingo: wait, that isn't what you'be been looking for?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Which thing, I'm still catching up on logs. will take a while.
mod6: oh, just saw you doing tslb on atcbot before it had it. thought you'd be happy :}
Naphex: kakobrekla: looks fake to me tbh
mod6: thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh
Naphex: i run ssh honeypots, like 9
Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory
BingoBoingo: Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place
Naphex: also most of the authentication goes through PAM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085297 = 11.5151 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: they run memory leak and then just get shadow and uname and such ;]
Naphex: probably just a scam to get foolish scriptkids too pay for fake 0day
BingoBoingo: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.4500035 = 27.0002 BTC [+] {4}
artifexd: You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
Namworld: Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.
Namworld: Plus even if you have a clue, might not always be right.
BingoBoingo: What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.
BingoBoingo: Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.
Namworld: You might have to wait a while for that tho.
bitcoinpete: ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama
artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Perl programmer of atcbot repute.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
mike_c: ;;rate mod6 1 doing good work with atcbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03202286 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.06474168 = 2.3954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00084983 = 10.4172 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
ozbot: Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin
Naphex: user might be talking about bath salts ;]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1577 @ 0.0008484 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085329 = 3.4558 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0777799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are
mike_c: oh wow, cog is gone too. that's SF2, neobbq, and cog in that last couple weeks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00085521 = 14.8379 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah. It's hard telling what Havelock's thing is, but if S.Dice got MP a letter...
assbot: Voicing Guest95361 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07778 = 0.4667 BTC [+]
Guest95361: Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much
Guest95361: And they have various "shit hits the fan" plans
BingoBoingo: Guest15829: May I inquire your source or relation?
Guest95361: I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction
Guest95361: Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you
BingoBoingo: This is a common refrain, but an also common lack of disclosure and documentation (re: licenses and permits)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07778 = 0.2333 BTC [+]
Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them
BingoBoingo: I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.
Guest95361: They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist
Naphex: can you give an example? as guest?
jurov: it isn't even clearly known *they* do exist
Naphex: maybe they are terrible plans ;/
Guest95361: They are rather good plans, and I know that its not known. Its not my place to say
benkay: who is this Guest95361 ?
Guest95361: One of the more underestimated members of the community
BingoBoingo: benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00085443 = 5.0283 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: Guest95361: you understand why this is a weak play, right?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
jurov: IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?
Guest95361: And no, certainly not nefarious nefario
Guest95361: Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK
Guest95361: Although then again you rely on the fact that I don't use a VPN for that part
Guest95361: I'm not Mark Karpeles, I'll tell you that much
Guest95361: It is rather hard to be an entire nation
BingoBoingo: Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea
jurov: Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz
Guest95361: Anyhow, I am of no significance. I am off. Goodbye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4418 @ 0.00085329 = 3.7698 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03289644 = 0.3948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Haven't had a drink in days and no Delerium tremens
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Lawsuit - Shareholder Discussion
Duffer1: who could have possibly seen this coming
Duffer1: i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard
mike_c: jurov, any reason not to release those docs?
jurov: it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07779665 = 0.9336 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: that is a good reason :) still, it would make quite a blog post.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07798315 = 0.4679 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07814995 = 0.3126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00085329 = 7.794 BTC [-]
jurov: hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did
BingoBoingo: jurov: That's why you turn it into a serial.
jurov: Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively
jurov: Part 2: In which Ivan still does not understand what IPO stands for
jurov: Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than
Duffer1: seems ipo = kickstarter in his mind
BingoBoingo: Maybe Havelock had the foresight to give you the anagram representative
jurov: Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light
Duffer1: does panama not have brokerage regulation?
jurov: Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing
Duffer1: seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize
Duffer1: how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence
ozbot: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: on this topic, i won't pretend that i have it nailed down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085708 = 8.0137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085799 = 8.9231 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: mike_c i commented on that
jurov: er.. bitcoinpete, sry
jurov: oh, iot does not publish replies?
bitcoinpete: since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it
dignork: bitcoinpete: in case of "change address" there is a slight advantage: observer does not really knows which one of the destination addresses is change, and which is vendor
dignork: bitcoinpete: but then if vendor only uses one addess it's easily discoverable
bitcoinpete: dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway
dignork: bitcoinpete: last statement was actually against reusing
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