mircea_popescu: phf hey did you know your -> last doesn't woirk unless i say "first" there first ?
trinque: gets better the further you are from mordor
Framedragger: "unfortunately it is not as easy to go out of inner jail." << i picture here a seneca with a screwdriver
Framedragger: 64 bytes from hst-46-166-165-30.balticservers.eu
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ohey i know this hosting company :D the physical server is probably in šiauliai, a small town with good uplink heh
Framedragger: i think i once contacted them about running a tor exit node there, they had said well if you put in your own reverse dns info for the ip block we give you then we 100% don't give a shit
Framedragger: but mircea_popescu you of course know that lithuania is like 169% US's bitch. this was confirmed with drug market raids etc etc, but it's a generally known fact anyway. that being said, heh, cool.
Framedragger: (^ failed paste, nslookup yields 46.166.165.30, but no diff)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traveling best thing to ever happen to you huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what made you think i was << how excited you sounded :D
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i honestly don't give a shit what small national governments think they're doing or not doing or whatever. "lithuania" the subject of law is as unrecognized as usg is. no relation to anything, no power to anything, they can write bluntman and chronic comics about how "it is" an' "keep it real" if they so wish.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: replete with "asa da!" / "asa nu!" miniscenes, "ask amy" cameos and all the rest of the stupid. total fucking wow.
mircea_popescu: and, as a sad testament of just how fucking stupid usians actually are/were, it'd seem they mostly bought it, too.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : fig.co (supposedly, "kickstarter for games").
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah of course - i just meant that any LT servers cannot be considered to be "bullet-proof"; but maybe you were not aiming for the latter in terms of phuctor hosting anyway
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 11:50 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi.
mircea_popescu: which one is that ? iirc it had one of the tilly sisters in it
shinohai: Got to be the same woman, has the most annoying voice, was also in mallrats
mircea_popescu: i was convinced the occasional slut is also one of teh tilly sisters
BingoBoingo discovered a new word cleaning pending qntra comments: legix! As in Mt Gox was the most legix exchange.
BingoBoingo: Legix can be many things, but legix is mostly not legit.
BingoBoingo: Actually let's define Legix: 1. Could be many things, but legix is most pointedly not legit
Framedragger: "i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same";
Framedragger: "i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same"; e.g. 2x4.ru have a reputation of being more hardcore; i know this sounds naive and it probably i
Framedragger: e.g. 2x4.ru have a reputation of being more hardcore; i know this sounds naive and it probably is, but i've heard this from trustable sysadmins running, er, shadier stuff. this is of course anecdotal and it's naive to trust someone with your hardware anyway.
BingoBoingo: I am adds to tmsr.vocab not the word we want, but the word we need.
shinohai proposes entry into wiki under `venacular` .
Framedragger: stephen: BOTNET ARE ILLEGAL AND YOUR COMPANY MUST NOT HOST SUCH CLIENTS
Framedragger: Live Support | Thomas: Yes, sure, we allow. Give us money and we host you and we will **** the german police
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mircea_popescu: Framedragger what do you mean "it's not all the same" ? it IS all the same ; what's gonna happen, they're going to get a supoena and they're going to say fuck you, and shoot the issuing judge ?
mircea_popescu: that's the whole point : that until and unless ~we~ actulaly do a thing, all the other things are EXACTLY all the same.
mircea_popescu: or, as the classical expression goes, vanitas vanitatum.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, the classical imprecation to not build yourself fortunes/castles/a life atop the vanities of the fiat world ; but instead collect your fortune, house and life in the WoT stands quite exactly.)
mircea_popescu: that's the ultimate meaning of all the christian blundering to date : they were trying to build the republic and had nfi.
Framedragger: fair enough. but i also tell you that there are hosting providers which say fuck you to LE of specific states; but ultimately it boils down to the same security question: "how important are you?" - if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored.
mircea_popescu: if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored. << this, incidentally, isn't a matter of neglect ; it is a matter of design. consider it works exactly as a sort of "training for unimportance".
mircea_popescu: whole matter ties right into why i do not consider anonymity a valid approach.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if you go by this currently fashionable "i'll aim to be nobody and call it privacy ; and to do nothing worth the mention and call it security", the only certainty is that you'll be nobody and have done nothing, which is exactly the fucking purpose of the socialist state - death in your time.
mircea_popescu: the correct, if obviously harder, path is to be someone AND do something. and if they bitch, escalate, indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: odds are you'll get killed ; but the only certainty is the socialist state won't survive.
☟︎ Framedragger: yeah. i mean one day i'll grow balls and get out of my comfort zone of sorta-pseudo-anonymity. your points are valid here, even though i think it's possible to do useful/productive work under pseudo/anonymity. this doesn't work if you require the *world* to recognize your awesomeness, of course :)
Framedragger: but it's possible to maintain stable pseudo identities in groups of people wherein those identities are recognized for what they do; etc etc.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Pseudonymity is different. You ARE the pseudonym.
Framedragger: right you are; i was mixing the terms to further my point
Framedragger: true anonymity kinda sux in terms of achievement.
mircea_popescu: see, but any construction of identity in terms other than pseudonimity (such as, "issuing" of "id" as opposed to generating rsa key) is merely a ploy by the socialist state, designed specifically to introduce a red herring in the conversation.
Framedragger: designed to introduce an external implicit trust node
mircea_popescu: they aim to misrepresent the pseudonimity-anonimity debate as governmentidentity-anonimity, and thus change the result.
mircea_popescu: much like when they want obama to win, they propose a contest between obama and another identical fucktard, rather than between obama and someone who isn't a system fucktard.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's some minimal gains via anonimous systems (see the whole anon/loic/times man of the year/blabla stuff). it is juvenile.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact right and proper for the juvenile to be anon and then graduate to wot.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it is in fact right and proper for the juvenile to be anon and then graduate to wot. << AHA, College!
mircea_popescu: god damned it, writing piece for qntra, can't link to btcalpha profiles because well... it dun exist.
mircea_popescu: 865159723 is a prime (the 44`318`624th) newly found nao.
trinque: man somebody needs to drop adlai in the desert with an airstream full of water and food until he's fully detoxed
trinque: there, I just started the republic's first rehab
mircea_popescu: you suspect he'd be perfectly fine if only hadn't the misfortune of his compatriots being around ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah, pretty sure I started republic's first rehab. Or maybe caz. Even mp's work reforming USian college victims might count as first rehab.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Y you not like chicago for eating by bear?
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 new `t` changes working a-ok with zero bugz
trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps fine if not for years of rotating pharmaceuticals
trinque: it must've been weird dream night; mine was buying old computer parts in a dystopian curio shop
mircea_popescu: that "supoena" thing is a true wonder. 1. issued by police dept ? 2. "this is authorized" ? by who the fuck is it authorized, have the adult in charge sign for you.
mircea_popescu: anyone even saw that orwellian nightmare of a sovietism ?
mircea_popescu: for maximal lulz, return pdf subpoenas, "unreadable proprietary format - please resend in latex".
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 14:03 mircea_popescu: odds are you'll get killed ; but the only certainty is the socialist state won't survive.
mircea_popescu: it has TONS of life in it. notice how it works, intellectually, exactly on the same framework as spam email.
mircea_popescu: note that it also misses pretty much everyting : the badge/id number of responsible agent is missing, there's no direct contact phone, etc.
mircea_popescu: otherwise... a piece of pdf reading "supoena" is not distinguishable or to be distinguished from an email reading "you have won the google intel microsoft award"
mircea_popescu: and the policy is to shoot masked people breaking down doors.
mircea_popescu: point security measure left at the discretion of point sovereign.
mircea_popescu: also, ro policement at least do introduce self by name.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's the action you are forgetting when you casually meet the on the street and bitch about Obama together over cigarettes.
BingoBoingo: How else do you find out why the closed the road you wanted to take other than by asking them.
BingoBoingo: Well don't live there. Maybe try asking Chicago cop which where you get the best hotdogs in town? Throw out how you think this just might be the Cubs year to win it all. Chances are he'll talk like a person and leak intel.
BingoBoingo: That or abduct you to their blacksite. Chicago PD can be unpredictable.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 16:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where i live they will reply with grunts, like the soldiers in 'wolfenstein'.
BingoBoingo can't wait until alf visits non-Chicago middle West
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Smaller cities like St Louis, Kansas City, Milwauke, and yes the corn.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "talking to cops" is not "drinking with cops"
mod6: anyone wanna help me test the cmd line version of t.pl?
mod6: oh nevermind, i think shinohai has it covered. totally didn't see that.
trinque: but asciilifeform... they're all ears
☟︎ mod6: so I think, hopefully sometime today, i'll send out t.pl to the ML as is - however i don't really expect anyone to use t.pl themselves. sending it to the ML for more of posterity purposes.
mod6: people will be expected to interact {add,edit,remove,view} tickets through tbot - which is probably .. eh, 70% complete.
mod6: shinohai: heh, hopefully by the time we're done there it'll hold together.
mod6: we're pretty close to the first testing of it in here -- have some loose ends to tie up (the remaining ~20%). if history is any guide, there will be more to do as change requests, etc. but at least we'll have somethign that works.
trinque: man do I love the model of bot services as compared to "web apps"
☟︎ trinque: you ask me to do something, and hell, I might. but when I get to it.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 16:24 trinque: but asciilifeform... they're all ears
a111: Logged on 2016-05-27 16:43 trinque: man do I love the model of bot services as compared to "web apps"
phf: does word boundaries too, though since i don't know how to do it properly word boundaries are an explicit set of characters from ASCII.
phf: mircea_popescu: if you search for dog it will match for "dog," "bee-dog" "(dog)" and such, but not "dogma" nor "dogсобака"
phf: grep is still there, and will basically remain as such by doing `"dog"`
hanbot is going to chinatown later, will look for trilema tchotchkes
phf: (this ensures that ascii can continue mashing keys without reading the docs!!! and get reasonable results, but one can still extract precise information out of the machine)
mircea_popescu: shinohai prolly trying to get the "clips4sale" market.
phf: btcbase server still fails at taking unicode in queries, but i suspect that irc works (or it will possibly bring the log down..)
shinohai: Not a single camwhore in site. At least I can waste money with sluts on xotika.tv
mircea_popescu: 1 results and when i follow teh link it's all "no results, bro"
phf: yeah, i know the web side is borked, but i think 1 result is actually the search query itself, which is a bug
trinque: it's not wrong; it's just an asshole
shinohai: afaik ben_vulpes ... I kinda stopped going after same 3 girls all the time
phf: for good measure it should say 2 results, counting the bot's answer
mircea_popescu: we need to get a distributed computing for bitcoin thing going though.
mircea_popescu: the derpy "watch a video for bitcoin" thing is just what you'd expect out of usgistan. meanwhile, a irc-bot driven client that does ethernet and computation, and charges for these would be pretty sweet.
trinque: vc: relatedly, how much for a box
mircea_popescu: basically, imagine a future where everyone who wants to (or doesn't care/know enough to not want to) runs the tmsr-bot, which registers its prices with deedbot, and then i can go !bot <order> and deedbot parcels it out to the bots it knows, and reports the rersults when done.
vc: trinque: $10 for 1GB memory, 30GB storage, and 1TB bandwidth
vc: if you're interested there's exactly one slot left
phf: i take it he ran out of box
vc: it's SSD storage and only one physical server, hence the price
mircea_popescu: i take it he got a single colo'd box imagining the market in terms of "shared server" derps ; and then ran into tmsr and everyone wants whole boxes and phuctor runs on a 256gb monster.
trinque: jack it up 5x and gimmeh bawks!
mircea_popescu: vc get more boxes colo'd, for srs. what is this "one box" bs.
vc: mircea_popescu: toss me another 1.7k eur and we'll talk ;)
trinque: especially colo'd in iceland
trinque: oh, thought you'd said iceland?
trinque: I had been looking into that myself
vc: nah you might have seen the URL of an ars technica article that said iceland
vc: and my parent host, flokinet, is based out of iceland
vc: no they do, they are just very very expensive
vc: the bandwidth, specifically
mircea_popescu: iceland infrastructure is kinda meh. they peer with britain-the-shithole and that's that.
trinque:
https://www.datacell.is << "All our hosting packages include unrestricted bandwidth and 100 Gigabytes of data traffic. Dedicated bandwidth is also available on request."
trinque: I'm gonna reach out to them for a quote
mircea_popescu: uh. wtf "100 gb of data traffic" what's that even mean
trinque: seems to contradict itself
trinque: 100gb of unrestricted traffic restricted to 100gb
mircea_popescu: i bet you what they mean is, they allow "any" burst, (ie, they got some slack in the routers, so you can concievably get 100mbps or such), but they literally meter the bg to .1 tb/month
mircea_popescu: (ftr, most major device gamers burn more than 100gb/month in data ; a good game can well go over the gb just to install, and the churn is massive, i think the dedicated azn shrimp goes through 10k a month or some such shit)
mircea_popescu: btw vc you totally should look into eulora. beats eve out of the water.
shinohai: I want to run a trb node on one of vc 's boxes if he gets moar power
phf: there's actually "4 GB Memory 4 CPU cores 120GB SSD Space 4TB Bandwidth" option, he just ran out of allocation for the current box
trinque: that would be more than adequate for me
vc: shinohai, trinque: noted, along with ben_vulpes's offer. I will let you guys know as soon as I decide to expand :)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the letters in a circle were very important to have as glyphs because some people can't think otherwise.
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mod6: got all the tomatoes, basil, pumpkins, eggplants, squash, and r. lettuce planted in the pouring rain. tomorrow: strawberries, watermelon, broccoli, early/late cabbage, short/long cukes, brussel sprouts, and dill
shinohai: Just thing of how that will taste on the grille with some phesant mod6 :D
BingoBoingo: mod6: You don't do seeds? You let big greenhouse start your plants? :(
mod6: yeah! man, phesant is excellent.
mod6: BingoBoingo: yeah. for now, just learning. was actually thinking, while getting drenched, if I can find a place to start from seeds & get appropriate sun, would do it.
mod6: a little short on space for that. :/
mod6: but ~maybe~ next year.
BingoBoingo: What about where you put the plants from big greenhouse?
mod6: well, its pretty much ungrowable until like first week of may here.
shinohai: germinare well in fridge as well! >.>