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BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
BingoBoingo: !up praeconium
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00087892 = 8.1098 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, have not watched league since i was a kid, it's not as popular as it once was
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I see.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, do you follow it?
BingoBoingo: Passively. NRL produces a lot of value bets
BingoBoingo: I also like how the NRL has betting ticket prices on their front page
cazalla: i imagine it's more about the betting than the game nowadays, they've had sports bet owners masquerading as commentators in the past, i wouldn't even let my kid watch it if he was old enough to do so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087552 = 14.9714 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up gilgameshugga
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I see. Still a better situation than NFL commentators.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrkjd1CtFr1qlne6uo1_500.jpg this is the one guy she *really* likes.
decimation: !up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087383 = 2.2283 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: $viagra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00087907 = 8.5709 BTC [+]
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really because the kids discuss the best odds instead of best players so they then think dad is making a wise choice when he bets the rent on a match because it's a lock, right?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, you teach them the dangers of gambling, because of what idiots the commenters are.
BingoBoingo: http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/unlike-ice-cream-shops-nyc-dairy-queen-refused-write-free-palestine-personalized-cake/
assbot: Unlike Other Ice Cream Shops, A NYC Dairy Queen Refused To Write "Free Palestine!" On A Personalized Cake - ANIMAL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00087228 = 11.1521 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up deizel
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 400732.72 in 31 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -41.68
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00087204 = 2.8341 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: social engineering as a service https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728836.new#new
assbot: [WTS] LocalBitcoins Account: 10Mnths OLD/37Affiliates/27trades/100%/VERIFIED
BingoBoingo: !t m s.wol
assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25900 shares, 1.26 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00087374 = 3.9755 BTC [+]
decimation: re: laws: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/obama_executive_order_on_mandatory_arbitration_huge_news_for_workers_rights.html "he second part of the order is what Bland is so excited about. This provision says that companies with federal contracts worth more than $1 million can no longer force their employees out of court, and into arbitration, to settle accusations of workplace discrimination."
assbot: Obama executive order on mandatory arbitration: Huge news for workers’ rights.
decimation: there's this weird dynamic with leftists in the us - they hate the idea that courts treat corporations as people
mircea_popescu: decimation i have no idea what bs the "arbitration" thing is.
mircea_popescu: you can always sue. period.
mircea_popescu: that's the motherfucking point of a court system in the first place.
decimation: apparently there's this "private court" system called "arbitration"
decimation: where you go to a derp instead of a court to "decide" your case. It is standard procedure to agree to such a procedure in the "fine print" of most US contracts
mircea_popescu: not like you have to.
decimation: well, as you say, you can always sue, but the question is unsettled as far as I know: "The validity of arbitration clauses in the US is not a settled legal matter." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_in_the_United_States#Validity_of_arbitration_clauses
assbot: Arbitration in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: you can still sue, but the contract typically has language saying that you can't sue, so the courts decide whether the clause is valid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6882 @ 0.0008765 = 6.0321 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you don't have to sign a contract with an arbitration clause if you don't want to.
TheNewDeal: hash has gotta take a chill pill, got a few bitcents riding on this
mircea_popescu: and you can always trash it if it's one of those nonconsensual/foisted contracts
mircea_popescu: like the shit software producers throw on people
decimation: yes it's pretty much in that category
TheNewDeal: aapl says you can't use their software to develope nukes
TheNewDeal: what pretentious douchebagery
mircea_popescu: jesus so i'm just going to let these bitcoin-financials.com/net/org expire ? nobody wants em ?
mircea_popescu: talk about "valuable domain real estate" why don't you.
TheNewDeal: you own them?
decimation: domain squatting is hilarious
decimation: my understanding is that it is rare to get someone to pay real money for a domain
TheNewDeal: i'd consider purchasing one if you're just going to let it lapse
mircea_popescu: you can just have the lot. where am i pushing them ?
mircea_popescu: decimation myeah.
TheNewDeal: I dont know how to do this deal. The only time I've done a webpage is when my university hosted it
TheNewDeal: what do you mean by push?
decimation: typically you have to unlock the domain and then request a transfer to your registrar
TheNewDeal: whens the expiry?
decimation: Status: clientTransferProhibited
decimation: Updated Date: 18-oct-2013
decimation: Creation Date: 15-aug-2012
decimation: Expiration Date: 15-aug-2014
decimation: maybe you can interest nasdaq or the winklevii derps?
TheNewDeal: nono
TheNewDeal: ill even put down a deposit on this
TheNewDeal: what's with the clientransferrohibited though?
TheNewDeal: exscuse my ignorance, but godaddy is a domain name registrar?
TheNewDeal: trying to digest http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=bitcoin-financial.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=09dz+m27lx6WqaHtiwaihkxfZ0L82P%2frXri9HSCZbNywqvB%2f+SYT7p8RNYHf+tn+M9yJ6dAX2hY%3d
assbot: Whois-Suche | Domainverfgbarkeit Registrierungsinformationen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16467 @ 0.00087843 = 14.4651 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: yes, amoung the services they offer is domain registration
TheNewDeal: says bitcoin-financials.com expires in Feb 2015, is that correct?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1047 @ 0.00193014 = 2.0209 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: I see the expirary date as listed above
TheNewDeal: odd
kakobrekla: <decimation> my understanding is that it is rare to get someone to pay real money for a domain < not my problem if they dont accept my 13$ offer
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well do you have a namecheap account ?
TheNewDeal: negatron
mircea_popescu: so make one
mircea_popescu: then tell me what it is
mircea_popescu: then i can push you teh domains and that';s that.
TheNewDeal: I'm an expert at signing up for shit...
decimation: kakbrekla: heh yeah I was just looking at domains, the whole thing feels like a scam, especially now that there are 158 tlds
mircea_popescu: and godaddy is an atrocious everything.
kakobrekla: decimation you do know there is autocomplete on irc?
kakobrekla: well in all the normal clients.
decimation: I'm using konversation, I haven't really taken the time to learn the keystrokes
kakobrekla: a ok wasnt sure
mircea_popescu: is konversation the kde thing ?
decimation: kakobrekla: yeah i guess tab does auto-complete, thanks for the tip :)
decimation: yes
kakobrekla: jus trying to make it easier on you, my name is a real sausage
mircea_popescu: mansausage.
mircea_popescu: omfg "expirary date" is the cutest misspelling ever.
decimation: mircea_popescu: so I need to find how to put a spell check on my irc, stream-of-conscience spelling doesn't work for me
TheNewDeal: ahhh cmon it doesnt matter that much
kakobrekla: doez 2!
decimation: spelling is kind of a victorian obsession anyway
TheNewDeal: doesnt''''
decimation: I want to move to an emacs-based chat client but I need to configure a cloud-host like ben_vulpes
decimation: cmd: Linux
mircea_popescu: ok, next giving up btcscoop.org.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00087924 = 11.6939 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyone want it ?
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some aspiring bitcoin journalist about.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
TheNewDeal: how many of these do you have?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088079 = 18.4085 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: Do you have any that don't start with btc/bit/coin/etc? You know, for the seo potential.
TheNewDeal: just opened another beer before I finished the prior one. Sign of a good night
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10966 @ 0.00088092 = 9.6602 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00087299 = 23.2215 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: ah, the issue was the lack of hunspell-en
decimation: artifexd why would bit*coin be bad for seo?
TheNewDeal: wasn't there a trilema about this
TheNewDeal: I think the gist was that most new search engines play off only the first few letters one types
TheNewDeal: so if my website is "atc.blahblahblah" I just have to be more popular than the websites that start with a***, at*, atc***
decimation: yeah someone needs to make a better google
artifexd: http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
assbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: the thing about google now is, I think it matters much less the first couple times you type something
TheNewDeal: after the first few times*
TheNewDeal: because they're all personalized
decimation: yeah personalizing everything probably foils much of the seo silliness
decimation: !up praeconium
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
decimation: !up thestringpuller
The20YearIRCloud: yay, i have a voice
The20YearIRCloud: Still waiting to hear about the next step from the lender
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you rent to section 8 vouchers?
The20YearIRCloud: Right now we have 1 sec8 tenant
mircea_popescu: artifexd well nothing tonight
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 54.13365572 BTC. Current weight: 19,154.
decimation: it would be interesting to see the spread on a $1k usd bet ending 31 dec
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: I've traveled through rural Ohio, and I can't figure out where people make money. Do they mostly commute to the cities?
The20YearIRCloud: I'm really excited with where things are headed, our ROI internally is very solid, and leverage is only going to make it more pronounced. Lots of properties out there and our tenatnt pool continues to grow larger than we can supply.
decimation: do you have a prospectus?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, it's on Havelock, i'll dig up link soon.
The20YearIRCloud: the big thing is getting out from under our locked 6%-8%APY yield, we really can't unless we start selling off properties or leverage.
The20YearIRCloud: Here's the current prosectus decimation , we have a new one on the way - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/Public%20release%20for%20RentalStarter.pdf
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: who writes your mortgages? local ohio banks?
decimation: or do you pay outright cash for the homes?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087187 = 5.0568 BTC [-]
decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.01466166 = 1.4662 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00087442 = 15.521 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: you are looking to buy properties with a total purchase + repair cost of less than 5 years rent - in most us cities properties go for 2-3 times that
artifexd: It takes work, but the deals are there if you look enough.
artifexd: The two properties that I own returned their entire purchase price in 15 months from rent.
decimation: I guess I need to figure out how to get a cheap foreclosure & then find an amish work team :)
artifexd: Are you in the US?
artifexd: You are correct though. Both properties were bought off the courthouse steps.
decimation: yeah I'm in the us
artifexd: See if your area is covered by realforeclose.com. For example all foreclosure auctions in my area are handled at https://www.duval.realforeclose.com/
assbot: R4C - Duval County
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087468 = 10.8898 BTC [+]
decimation: wait duval county? Do you live in key west?
artifexd: Duval county is in North East Florida
decimation: err, no that's monroe county, sorry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.26215353 = 1.5729 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1057 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mircea_popescu: $proxies mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com
empyex: mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 568 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00087587 = 13.5742 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Ok, so Coinbase advertised (via a popup that appeared when I logged on) that if I complete my verification (which was already done), I'd get $5. It looked like a bug, but for $5 I clicked it anyway and apparently got nothing. And then of course like an idiot I complained about it on reddit. Now (several days later), I get $5 in bitcoin from Coinbase with a message that it's for completing my verification. Thank you Coi
mircea_popescu: nbase, for showing us what integrity is (you really didn't have to do that).
mircea_popescu: the breeding of a new type of tard.
decimation: I like the "complained on reddit" detail
mircea_popescu: i guess minimum wage is not 10 bux all over the us.
decimation: actually no, federal minimum is $7.25 I think
decimation: there's a 'movement' to raise it to $10.10
mircea_popescu: ah ok
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/04/there-are-eight-states-left-with-minimum-wages-lower-than-the-federal-minimum-wage/
assbot: There are eight states left with minimum wages lower than the federal minimum wage - The Washington Post
decimation: wapo concern trolling
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the most incomprehensible part of liberal self contradiciton.
mircea_popescu: they are against voting franchises, because they disproportionately affect the poor, black, etc.
mircea_popescu: they are however in favour of minimum wages, the exact equivalent of the voting franchise
mircea_popescu: in spite of it... disproportionately affecting the poor etc.
mircea_popescu: let's make it so that low income people can't find any jobs, but let's not make it so they can't vote.
decimation: yes, it has often been noted that liberal policy leads to impoverishment of the poor and downtrodden
mircea_popescu: i guess rational consistency isn't that big a deal when one's got feeeehlings.
decimation: well, to be clear, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you keep me in power
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the dentist's http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg
decimation: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg
decimation: do'h I missed the copy paste
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: elites who control the media & derpatrons keep the river of meat flowing, ensuring that their traditional enemies (rednecks, roughly) are crushed
decimation: except now the situation is such that the rednecks are almost completely beaten to submission, which is a problem ... when all the kulaks are dead, who do you blame for your failures?
mircea_popescu: well i guess bitcoin is jit then
decimation: yeah, it is. I wonder if you will see a white/minority divide on bitcoin uptake. I can almost see the headlines now: "digital have-nots need free "access" to bitcoin to live"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00087924 = 3.8687 BTC [+]
decimation: like so: http://www.illinois.gov/dceo/whyillinois/TechnologyServices/Pages/EliminatetheDigitalDivide.aspx
assbot: Technology Services: Eliminate the Digital Divide 2014-15 Grant Program
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087965 = 12.2271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087924 = 5.7151 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: anybody out there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00088093 = 3.6118 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22664 @ 0.00088119 = 19.9713 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26865451 = 0.5373 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 305 @ 0.00188044 = 0.5735 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.000874 = 5.5499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087261 = 2.7051 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.13365572 BTC. Current weight: 19,009.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34812 @ 0.00087366 = 30.4139 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12951 @ 0.00087187 = 11.2916 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14912 @ 0.00087187 = 13.0013 BTC [-]
fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140808.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14460 @ 0.00087382 = 12.6354 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well at least it gets him to reorient towards writing nonsense supporting "global warming" so us comedians can talk about how 97% of "scientists" agree
mircea_popescu: as if that does anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00086852 = 12.2027 BTC [-]
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5072 @ 0.00086848 = 4.4049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10328 @ 0.00086751 = 8.9596 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao look at this, perezhilton still exists. xiaxue still exists.
mircea_popescu: nothing is less fleeting than internet fame huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1188 @ 0.00086852 = 1.0318 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: %d
BingoBoingo: Oh, new diff
mircea_popescu: http://www.girlwithaonetrackmind.blogspot.com
assbot: Girl with a one-track mind
mircea_popescu: "This is why I have not written about the most meaningful relationship of my life so far, or about my realising I want a life partner and children."
mircea_popescu: closed down a decade into it. author realises she'd rather be a mommy than a ho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086738 = 17.5211 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: has anyone written a blog post on what exactly makes the Bitcoin Foundation such a stupid idea? I mean besides their uselessnes to date, I mean fundamentally why it would never have worked regardless of who was at the top
mircea_popescu: it would have worked fine with better people at the top.
mircea_popescu: so woul have the forum. if bitcointalk weren't run by a random 20yo kid with nary a clue of this world and a random gang of otherwise unemployable, it'd have not failed into the scam swamp of all time.
chetty: good people can make even bad ideas work
mircea_popescu: yeah, the more general point being that no structural considerations can ever excuse personal ineptitude. obama is a failure first and foremost because he, himself, personaly, is an imbecile, not nearly up to the task he asked to be allowed to undertake. every poor black person in jail is in jail because they, personally, are fucktards. the "system", family and all else come vehehehery distant seconds, and of little pr
mircea_popescu: actical consequence.
mircea_popescu: they're only discussed because we don't really give a shit about the prisoner himself. if we did, we'd discuss how fucktarded he is instead of how x is failing y and other statistical wankery.
chetty: but but but, they are all victims
mircea_popescu: they're all fluffy magical unicorns, too. so what of it.
chetty: get with the program, you are supposed to feel sorry and guilty unless of course you too can find a nice victim group to be part of
mircea_popescu: what, gotta have my emotions available for use as part of the "productive future society" ? that's okay, i'm opting out.
mircea_popescu: it'd be fucking ridiculous if i took my capital out of the bezzle, but allowed the emotional soliciting nonsense to continue.
mircea_popescu: i guess that makes me a terrorist AND a sociopath dunnit.
chetty: well they kinda go together, newspeak the words are synonyms
mircea_popescu: you know, english as a discussion space is getting incredibly boring these days.
mircea_popescu: you have "science" which mostly consists of the sterile nonsense of "creationists" and a few fringe groups (homeopaths, scientologists, whatever nuts), some very primitive "o look, I discovered fractals" repackaging of basic understanding ("i fucking love science!11") and a bunch of bureaucracy-serving faux debates (o, really, 97.x% of the "scientists" hoping for a govt grant agree the govt position has scientific valu
mircea_popescu: e ? how very ceausescu v2.0 of them!).
mircea_popescu: you have politics/current affairs, which are mostly a bunch of who we're calling the bad things this week, putin "doesn't understand how the world works" for having dared to humiliate our beloved leadership bimonthly for the past year, and israelis are whatever and on and on
mircea_popescu: and then you have some stale local interests topics, mostly molded in this mold, and some (bad) sports.
mircea_popescu: that's it. im surprised people even bother learning the language for this crap. o wait... they don't, do they.
chetty: well do not dispair we have b-a
mircea_popescu: talking to some random guy yest
mircea_popescu: him : It's gonna take awhile to digest this. You like writing eh.
mircea_popescu: me :i have a lot to say :D
mircea_popescu: him:lol yeah, it's an unusual writing style. It's like a mix of technical , story telling and stretched analogies. I'm sure you get a lot of hardcore readers who follow along. from a technical standpoint, its somewhat of a nightmare lol.
mircea_popescu: basically, that's what b-a reduces to : using english as a language rather than as a lingo is so uncommon by now, it takes intelligent people some effort to accommodate.
chetty: whats this?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
punkman: what's this technical standpoint anyway
mircea_popescu: punkman i believe it'd be the proposition that words work unequivocally and logic may be applied to natural language constructs.
punkman: "this isn't the textbook I was expecting!" ?
mircea_popescu: it all dovetails neatly into BingoBoingo's recent stuff about sublanguages. and i guess my recent post, at that.
mircea_popescu: the possibility of text meaning something to the reader is quite severely restricted by a whole list of novel issues, not directly familiar to the historian of this topic.
mircea_popescu: by chance, i was just reading the latest on crooked timber. here : http://crookedtimber.org/2014/08/07/shit-and-curses-and-other-updates-on-the-steven-salaita-affair/comment-page-4/#comment-551490
assbot: Shit and Curses, and Other Updates on the Steven Salaita Affair (Updated) — Crooked Timber
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of academics no less, discussing a topic of no particular interest with utter abandon : some palestinian guy who's also a professor got offered a job and then de-offered the job, because urbana admin didn't like him ranting about israelis on twitter.
mircea_popescu: now this is all about as irrelevant as you like, but if you read what these commenters say to each other it becomes rapidly obvious they fail before even remotely engaging.
mircea_popescu: goat sperm'd have a better shot impregnating toad eggs.
mircea_popescu: so i suspect pop culture and the (very specifically english, btw, and chinese!) tendency towards the lowest common denominator and cultural sterility is the result of this chasm : on one hand people expect to be belonging together, unwarrantedly. on the other hand, they share exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: thus parallel discussion is not a funny occurence but the vast majority of all interractions, people happily arguing with self-constructed dopplegangers of each other respectively. basically, a strawman is not merely a logical error, but the substance of all english language discourse today.
punkman: oh wow
punkman: I like this concept of parallel discussion
mircea_popescu: it started as this literary device i had thought i had invented like a decade ago. we even tried to work it into our book with chet.
mircea_popescu: but the more i read the more i realise that actually... it's not me inventing something novel, it's my brain trying to cope with nonsense.
mircea_popescu: back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it must be cheaper than actual speech.
punkman: yeah you don't have to spend any processing cycles on what the other guy said, just do the most superficial patter-matching to harvest some entropy for your markov chain
mircea_popescu: precisely.
mircea_popescu: so you know, when the markov chain-based invaders finally take over, they'll be welcomed by the populace.
punkman: "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal!"
mircea_popescu: i don't think action is possible anymore.
mircea_popescu: you can't run with your eyes closed. you can';t act in a world inhabited by these phantasms.
mircea_popescu: i suspect for the average english as sole language speaker action is actually impossible today.
chetty: I am not sure its actually language relevant
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
chetty: people can fail to think in any language.
chetty: speaking multiples probably just gives you a better shot at noticing
mircea_popescu: well, here's the thing : some languages act as a metamind for the speakers. the collected intellectual effort of antecessors having constructed the linguistic equivalent of engineer's rulers and whatnot. so that through the mere workings of the language, one's point is refined.
mircea_popescu: this used to work in english too, three centuries ago. "put your idea in writing to see what it actually says".
mircea_popescu: some other languages however act as a confounder of thought, i am discovering, and a hindrance to expression.
mircea_popescu: contemporary english being a major example of this sad situation. a point expressed in today';s english is actually LESS than what it was before it met expression. that's a sad state of affairs,
chetty: I dun think thats the languages fault, poor abused language
mircea_popescu: and it creates a spiral of doom. as the language stops working positively, people stop caring, and so it'll just rot further.
punkman: how's the spanish language fare?
mircea_popescu: punkman i can't really distinguish latin languages enough to have an oppinion, other than that modern french is perhaps having a similar if unrelated problem.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's all the fallout of television, who's to know. "here's what three generations of visual 'thinking' barbarians will do to language" sort of thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00086852 = 7.947 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26398 @ 0.00086605 = 22.862 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18002 @ 0.00086543 = 15.5795 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086469 = 15.2185 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZcbal7CUAI7yUx.jpg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport. << Interestingly this is why I kind of follow sports. There
BingoBoingo: is an entire infrastructure built around the mythos of each team and numerous parallel conversations, but at the end of the season there is a win-loss record and people are butthurt in proportion to how wrong the mythos they bought into was
mircea_popescu: that's a point.
mircea_popescu: i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport.
chetty: even sports is getting ugly with the libtards butting in these days
mircea_popescu: chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport. << Not quite because of kayfabe and the heel/face dynamic.
mircea_popescu: something tells me it won't work.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is the whole "x random team owner is racist" thing ?
mircea_popescu: kayfabe neh ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.
BingoBoingo: And private taxation styled after North Korea.
mircea_popescu: there can not be such a difference.
chetty: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.// but they are intersecting in a distrubing way
mircea_popescu: differentiation presumes meaning. if you can't have meaning, you can't say "that's not sports, that's politics"
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"// maybe more than blacks actually, how often do you need to look up stuff in urban dictionary?
BingoBoingo: Steve Ballermer and Magic Johnson fighting over who gets to take Sterling's team is a political discussion a la which contractor gets this bunch of tax money. David Price can't in the middle of the game take Mike Trout's bat and compell him to use a curtain rod instead.
mircea_popescu: well every time someone talks about me, interestingly enough.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hm. that's a point.
BingoBoingo: The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics.
chetty: <BingoBoingo> The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics./7 and now the NFL is talking about adding rules concerning spousal abuse, same thing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it doesn't stop there tho. i used to watch formula one, but then... guess what ? david price intervened in the middle of the game and took everyone's bats away and forced them to use curtain rods.
chetty: was it NFL talking about banning the word nigger on the field or you get penalties?
BingoBoingo: chetty: It was the NFL
chetty: thats politics getting on the field for sure
BingoBoingo: Baseball handles these things in a saner way for now. Player A calls player B a nigger and B's team like's him A is getting hit with a fastball.
BingoBoingo: The acceptance of a level of violence keeps things civil, as while the normal outcome is a nasty welt, broken bones and season or career ending injuries are possible.
chetty: BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst
BingoBoingo: <chetty> BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst << The NFL is probably doomed to this on the sport's fundamentals and the number of rules already existing to keep players out of wheelchairs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 311 @ 0.00194199 = 0.604 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, look at the trouble fluffypony started!
BingoBoingo: White Africa is the worst
mircea_popescu: so this Sayeeda Hussain Warsi chick quit the uk govt in protest of its support of israel
mircea_popescu: she did not quit it earlier in protest of say strikes against pakistani that resulted in what, 1mn people displaced ?
mircea_popescu: all over waziristan
mircea_popescu: she is pakistani, not palestinian. how are these people to be taken seriously ?
BingoBoingo: They aren't to be.
BingoBoingo: This is what Baroney in the UK has devolved to.
mircea_popescu: a well.
mircea_popescu: anyway, time to try sleep again. lkaters!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086563 = 9.9115 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/come-see-me-clutching-at-straws/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10051 @ 0.00086462 = 8.6903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2931 @ 0.00086462 = 2.5342 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34919 @ 0.00086423 = 30.178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00086354 = 19.6024 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16281 @ 0.00086196 = 14.0336 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/ihuntpineapples
assbot: I Hunt Pineapples (ihuntpineapples) auf Twitter
The20YearIRCloud: I'm free!
BingoBoingo: Yeah just took a while
The20YearIRCloud: Decimation - In our market I can buy houses that return revenues of purchase price within 5 years all day long. I was on the MLS last night looking in an area I want to expand to and found 14
The20YearIRCloud: All in decent areas too, some of them would return in 3.5 or 4 years
xmj: The20YearIRCloud: where is your market?
xmj: i.e. where do you live?
BingoBoingo: His market is Ohio
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/08/bergdahl/
assbot: SGT Bowe Bergdahl Wanders off Medicine Floor; Gets Captured by Surgery | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22155 @ 0.00086076 = 19.0701 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10029 @ 0.0008564 = 8.5888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00085681 = 5.2265 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18897 @ 0.00085488 = 16.1547 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up elgrecoFL
BingoBoingo: !up Enky
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
BingoBoingo: !up davidlatapie
BingoBoingo: !up punkman1
BingoBoingo: http://www.deadline.com/2014/08/the-expendables-3-trailer-video-ronda-rouseysylvester-stallone-mel-gibson/
assbot: 'Expendables 3' Leak Probed By Homeland Security As Lionsgate Sues Pirates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3800 @ 0.00177461 = 6.7435 BTC [-] {22}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.268888 = 0.8067 BTC [+]
pankkake: it looks like dooglus likes https://dicebitco.in/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00085695 = 12.5115 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.62830088 BTC to 12`777 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.16736260 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1145 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Looks like Just-Dice, or appears to be handiwork of Dooglus?
pankkake: conspiracy theories abound
kakobrekla: nice chumpatronic design
pankkake: I've only determined they both use the node.js Express framework (my first step is usually to determine wether it's PHP)
ben_vulpes: (but does it ==== php?)
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So Imma looking at this van-ads thing and wondering... How does the payouts occur on Mondays part work?
BingoBoingo: !up OX3_
BingoBoingo: Hello OX3_
BingoBoingo: !up Quanttek
BingoBoingo: !up elgrecoFL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00085292 = 11.5997 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up Mantrid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2699625 = 2.1597 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: !s libreboot
assbot: 0 results for 'libreboot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=libreboot
ben_vulpes: http://libreboot.org/
assbot: Libreboot project
pankkake: Apocalyptic: X-BT says Bitcoin deposits credited after 3 confirms, it's 6 and nothing
pankkake: maybe you should show which block you are on too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00085244 = 5.7966 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 975670.95 in 1882 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 107.79
Apocalyptic: pankkake, feel free to pm me the txid and I will have a look
ben_vulpes: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 248 Last Price: 195 24h-Vol: 199k High: 199 Low: 195 VWAP: 197
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.31, Best ask: 587.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 587.66, 24 hour volume: 2072.79833443, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.67, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1869 @ 0.00085249 = 1.5933 BTC [+]
pankkake: ben_vulpes: http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/product/ibm-lenovo-thinkpad-x60-coreboot/
assbot: LibreBoot X60 | GNU/Linux Computers
mod6: %ob
pankkake: I hope I can get one cheaper, but maybe the coreboot thing makes them highly prized items though :(
atcbot: 8k@260 17k@250 46k@248 | 15k@195 40k@190 18k@188
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.014899 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: The x/t 60's tend to be prized anyways simply for the sheer amount of stuff that runs on them.
pankkake: now I'm more looking for t60 + ultrabay actually. we'll see if my ebay snipes work
pankkake: I like the old "collector" hardware. I have 2 or 3 Plextor Premium
pankkake: and two other DVD drives with other nice characteristics (one with an altered firmware)
ben_vulpes: pankkake: want
pankkake: I'm so obsessed with RAIDs I want them in laptops too
kakobrekla: thats easily doable
kakobrekla: at least what 2 drives give you.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/
pankkake: yeah 2 drives in raid1. with the ultrabay system or some clevos I suppose. but not on <14"
kakobrekla: nah
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/498168827151409152 Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/ … #ThisTurnedPedanticFast
assbot: Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog
kakobrekla: some of the tp x series have extra msata slot. i have two x220 with two ssds innit and lampelina has x230 with ssd and hdd. both are 13.5"
pankkake: ooh I forgot about mSATA
pankkake: actually my latest laptop has an extra mini PCI-E too
kakobrekla: yeah msata is going out slowly before it even came in
pankkake: it's m.2 now? I'm confused by all those things
kakobrekla: M.2 is the new shit
kakobrekla: yea
pankkake: the issue with it is that I want the drives to be readable from other computers, so all those formats are annoying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01464761 = 0.7031 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: for msata there are cheap converters to sata
kakobrekla: for m.2 they will be if not yet
pankkake: I hope so, even a slow usb thing, just for recovery
kakobrekla: pankkake http://techreport.com/news/26360/tiny-usb-3-0-enclosure-houses-msata-drives
assbot: Tiny USB 3.0 enclosure houses mSATA drives - The Tech Report
kakobrekla: :)
pankkake: nice
kakobrekla: actually i have a m.2 option on my workstations mobo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00085244 = 9.0359 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up OX3_
BingoBoingo: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/interim-guidance-specimen-collection-submission-patients-suspected-infection-ebola.html
assbot: Interim Guidance: Specimen Collection, Transport, Testing, and Submission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
BingoBoingo: "A minimum volume of 4mL whole blood preserved with EDTA, clot activator, sodium polyanethol sulfonate (SPS), or citrate in plastic collection tubes can be submitted for EVD testing. Do not submit specimens to CDC in glass containers. Do not submit specimens preserved in heparin tubes."
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/866/bitcoin-over-1000-before-september/ lol @graph
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin over $1000 before September :: 6.47 B (11%) on Yes, 51.67 B (89%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 3 days | weight: 18`496 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah heparin ruins pcr
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Exactly. Posted wondering who would point that out first.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: Though... a heparin is probably the opposite of something you want to take if you come down with Ebola
BingoBoingo: Do not perserve with heparin for testing /= herparin destroys Ebola
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 314756 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 22734326883.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.22927
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/q/Ne/3bujZa9a/bitcointalk-banners.png
kakobrekla: if the offer is really that good, he should take it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: dude you're like... a lolgod by now.
dignork: somewhat amusing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cRYvK4jb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's an interesting theory. someone should probably run lexical analysis over sports coverage and politics in the us, past century.
mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense that there'd be backflow mostly on the obvious grounds that afaik for most of the history a sports journo was better paid than a political comentator
mircea_popescu: consequently, it'd stand to reason that as sportscasters became unemployed, they'd have started the huffpo of their time.
mircea_popescu: but theyd have also taken the tools of their trade, that made them better paid in the first place, along for the ride.
BingoBoingo: Well, Ted Turner did both start CNN and own the Atlanta Braves...
mircea_popescu: "Every system has to have some quanta of uncertainty affecting it." << that's not a correct use of the term. a quanta is a fixed, measurable, known quantity which quantifies a quantized system, such as 1 is the quanta of binary computing. in physics and so the surrounding world, (macroscopic)energy is usually hν, ie planck's constant (the quanta) times th frequency.
mircea_popescu: well technically quanta is the plural of quantum, so i should prolly say quantum, but anwyay.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I want to move to an emacs-based chat client but I need to configure a cloud-host like ben_vulpes << lowendbox
BingoBoingo: Well, judgment calls and blind refs/umpires can be enumerated after the fact.
mircea_popescu: but they're not all equal.
mircea_popescu: say modicum for this use of quanta, that's correct.
mircea_popescu: quantum != modicum, mostly because latin works as a language.
BingoBoingo: I see
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/#comment-21603
assbot: Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: ^ comment markup now corrected
ben_vulpes: http://aeon.co/magazine/nature-and-cosmos/pregnancy-is-a-battleground-between-mother-father-and-baby/
assbot: Pregnancy is a war between mother and child Suzanne Sadedin Aeon
mircea_popescu: now that's a point, it is.
mircea_popescu: !up Chihbarb
mircea_popescu: the homepage of www.academi.com is hosted on
mircea_popescu: Amazon Web Service, while the other IPs are in the range:
mircea_popescu: NetRange: -
mircea_popescu: CIDR:
mircea_popescu: CustName: Blackwater USA
mircea_popescu: Address: 850 Puddin Ridge Rd
mircea_popescu: such cheapness srsly.
mircea_popescu: i bet you ddos on the range would actually significantly disrupt their infrastructure. nuke the email server half hour before some important summit, embarrass them to all shit.
fluffypony: AWS is pretty robust with that - their infrastructure gets DDoS'd on the daily
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00084549 = 23.3355 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: but not cleared to hold the rest.
fluffypony: word
mircea_popescu: so cheapo inept blackwater just put the webfront on aws to noit have to handle ddos
mircea_popescu: and then called it a day.
fluffypony: nobody does their own shit anymore
mircea_popescu: why protect the soft belly ? OBSCURITY!!!
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to be able to figure out what 67.238.84.x ip to take out!
mircea_popescu: o look whatweb. nice write-up dignork
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.15, Best ask: 587.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 587.2, 24 hour volume: 1881.05641237, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.67, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s
BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
BingoBoingo: Hello AntonOsika
AntonOsika: Hi BingoBoingo!
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
AntonOsika: I am the young man who was chatting here with the nick CheapBoy, but wanted to use my real name when verifying my identity!
fluffypony: sehr gut
AntonOsika: I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer.
AntonOsika: Anyways, I should have the PGP key for being verified!
BingoBoingo: Ah, cool
BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: Have you registered with gribble yet?
AntonOsika: Nope, I still can not find the right commands for it.
AntonOsika: ( http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots#commands )
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: This page may be more helpful http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
AntonOsika: Awesome! I never got pointed towards that resource before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00084494 = 7.569 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: You are welcome
BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
kakobrekla: moiety does a great job on the wiki.
AntonOsika: Indeed. And I'm happy that I get greeted when coming here.
kakobrekla: assbot does a great job as a porter
BingoBoingo: Some day assbot might get promoted to Concierge
BingoBoingo: !up Guest69
BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
mircea_popescu: <AntonOsika> I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer. << go on
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
AntonOsika: Thanks, by brother called me
AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Yes, I'll go on! I was the newbie under the nick CheapBoy wanting to bet on ethereum. I'm still interested, haven't had time to get the WoT up untill now. What's your take on ethereum now?
mircea_popescu: nothing changed.
AntonOsika: Ok. Would I be the first to bet against you? :)
mircea_popescu: yes.
BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning. << Win
BingoBoingo: ;;rated gmaxwell
gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Tue Jul 22 21:19:27 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 416 @ 0.0017579 = 0.7313 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: the whole point is to make people actually come talk to one
AntonOsika: So I pay 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered when there is some market for buying it. Latest date for that market is 25th of July?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8920 @ 0.00079744 = 7.1132 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: wow cpanel does some insane shit to machines
BingoBoingo: http://www.boston.com/news/2014/08/08/reagan-aide-homicide-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled/YmjuMWJF93sRMxhlXmCSON/story.html
assbot: Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide - News - Boston.com
ben_vulpes: it *really* wants httpd up, for instance
AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Is the offer 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered in march?
mircea_popescu: AntonOsika yes.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gmaxwell has changed from -1 to -1.
AntonOsika: And you said something about: just 1 satoshi after 25th of july if they still haven't finished a market for it
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: ?
fluffypony: oh you're updating a rating
fluffypony: thought it was a new one
fluffypony: nm
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He PM'd me asking for it
fluffypony: what was it before?
BingoBoingo: Just the part before the word "of"
fluffypony: lol
AntonOsika: ;;eauth antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
AntonOsika: Should one use ;;register or ;;eregister?
kdomanski: depends
AntonOsika: ;;eregister antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7
gribble: Request successful for user antonosika, hostmask AntonOsika!55e5eda8@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/86AC5789F93ED2E7
kdomanski: you want to use a key flagged for signing or for encryption?
mircea_popescu: dignork http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/ thanks :)
assbot: The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: AntonOsika there's a sample contract in hte logs
AntonOsika: Ok sounds good. Whats hte?
kdomanski: :O
mircea_popescu: !s dpaste
assbot: 71 results for 'dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dpaste
kakobrekla: !s from:mircea_popescu dpaste
assbot: 3 results for 'from:mircea_popescu dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+dpaste
mircea_popescu: or did i pastebin it hum
mircea_popescu: holy shit where did i put it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770333 << fuck it expired. meh! ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: AntonOsika http://pastebin.com/9NUvgUuS << there.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: !up extra
mircea_popescu: !up extraaa
extra: hello
mircea_popescu: hi
AntonOsika: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8563de1184e95a7afe55332fa5be961fa740bc9deabf1dfc3daf7db1
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user antonosika with key 86AC5789F93ED2E7
kdomanski: !up AntonOsika
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i see boston.com has the seo gods on their urlside.
mircea_popescu: also, here's a chick that can ride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3G8R5K4_8
assbot: Sexiest Mechanical Bull Ride - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: SEO is a scam. Anyone who promises traffic from google without supposing the solution is cat pictures is a fraud.
AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Nice contract. It's the release date that worries me since I'm not interested in betting on if things go as scheduled or not.
mircea_popescu: AntonOsika things are scheduled for ~this winter!
mircea_popescu: but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5258 @ 0.00078069 = 4.1049 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00077939 = 4.9881 BTC [-]
AntonOsika: If it get's delayed months I guess you would have mostly won anyways, Maybe you could then "sell" your contract for less than 3 BTC so that you still would have profited?
ben_vulpes: http://techno-anthropology.blogspot.com/2014/08/everything-good-correlates-bash.html
assbot: Techno-anthropology: Everything Good Correlates (a bash-scripted thought experiment thing about the clustering of sexually desirable traits)
AntonOsika: I dont want to risk losing all the eths for a delay. But I understand that you simply dont want to have a contract for longer than a year
AntonOsika: (those guys have had delays before...)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4959 @ 0.00078069 = 3.8714 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: AntonOsika did you read the part where it says "<mircea_popescu> but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care." ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the scammers involved didn't "have delays before". they scammed before. the difference is marked.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5742 @ 0.00079528 = 4.5665 BTC [+] {3}
dignork: mircea_popescu: it's not my write-up, just found it.
mircea_popescu: dignork i know.
mircea_popescu: it's very convenient you linked it here, then i can put it on trilema plausibly deniably.
dignork: :)
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
AntonOsika: mircea_popescu Yup I read the contract. I'll make another draft alright?
mircea_popescu: kay
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.89, Best ask: 590.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 590.57, 24 hour volume: 1711.80568909, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.55, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: ^ Where's the volume???
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 220 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195
BingoBoingo: ^ O hai there
mircea_popescu: by the way, for all of you still using dropbox : dropbox beleeted the finfisher dump.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out : https://twitter.com/VUPEN/status/482065773033422848 vupen is making a "no such con" conference thingee.
mircea_popescu: how does it feel to be an industry thought leader / cultural influencer ?
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BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
dignork: there was some torrent for finfisher, so dropbox is for someone who really wants to leave IP footprints
mircea_popescu: there's this retarded hipster mindset using google docs, dropbox, gmail and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: it has to go away.
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BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly the same retarded thing that sends people running to Tumbler and Disqusting for their blogging tools and becoming unable to leave when they outgrow them. Even Google's blogger let you export shit.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
ben_vulpes: "property of poorly managed systems that increase in resources lowers productivity" << related also to amounts of free energy in the system?
BingoBoingo: It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else with an element of "Let's have someone else's computer do my heavy lifting, What's the worst that could happen?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe.
chetty: <BingoBoingo> It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else// +++++
mircea_popescu: Method of infection: The surveillance suite is installed after the target accepts installation of a fake update to commonly used software. <<< so... wait. people who never update anything are immune ?
mircea_popescu: derp.
BingoBoingo: Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened
kdomanski: people who update their systems via repository like Linux distros are probably immune too
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
kdomanski: the problem with windows and update dialogs is that derps taught themselves to click right through anything that pops up
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mircea_popescu: that kinda comes with the black box territory
kdomanski: btw http://blog.codinghorror.com/teaching-users-to-read/
assbot: Teaching Users to Read
mircea_popescu: "This may sound a little harsh, but you'll see, when you do usability tests, that there are quite a few users who simply do not read words that you put on the screen. If you pop up an error box of any sort, they simply will not read it. This may be disconcerting to you as a programmer, because you imagine yourself as conducting a dialog with the user. Hey, user! You can't open that file, we don't support that file form
mircea_popescu: at! Still, experience shows that the more words you put on that dialog box, the fewer people will actually read it."
mircea_popescu: maybe they read it in their own terms.
mircea_popescu: Dialog boxes usually say "If you want to tech the tech, you need to tech the tech with the teching tech tech. Tech the tech? Yes / No"
mircea_popescu: exactly.
kdomanski: yup
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened << for macos users, the programming is in the machine, in the user, and in people writing software for the thing. the people writing the software write for the latest platform, 'cause "80% uptake rate in 24 hours! why not!?", which makes a vicious spiral where unless you're running the latest and
ben_vulpes: greatest your browser/whatever experience is going to be ultra lame
mircea_popescu: i don't run js. my experience is not lame at all.
mircea_popescu: it keeps me from interacting with a good chunkc of available idiocy
mircea_popescu: this is a service.
ben_vulpes: you probably don't use consumer-grade services period.
mircea_popescu: what's consumer-grade ?
ben_vulpes: who even knows
ben_vulpes: airbnb/9flats
mircea_popescu: kdomanski atwood's comments are idiotic. the spolski & lippert quotes are interesting.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trilema runs on fucking wordpress.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: never heard of lippert. URL?
kdomanski: ben_vulpes: the diarrhea of "technology" buzzwords is sufficient testament to the insanity that consumer-grade web services have become
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: nevermind, found him
ben_vulpes: i wouldn't even know. all i actually know is bearings and deflections and universal joints. this web shit is all new territory to me.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/
assbot: Fabulous Adventures In Coding - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
kdomanski: thanks
mircea_popescu: !up fn1
mircea_popescu: all these fucktards proceeding on the socialistoid "o, all user are equal and equal to one, we must serve them"
mircea_popescu: fuck the stupid users. nobody cares about rakim.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_at_beach
mircea_popescu: no fucking wai.
ascii_at_beach: lol
kdomanski: atwood actually said a few reasonable words about how companies should focus on intermediate users, instead of the noobs
mircea_popescu: not in that article.
kdomanski: "Beginners should either become intermediates or, in a manner of speaking, die trying."
kdomanski: no
mircea_popescu: in that article he's all about wizards and bullshit.
mircea_popescu: please, more talking paper clips
mircea_popescu: o.O
kdomanski: this one is in put in a different context
kdomanski: if you're making an office suite, you have to appeal to IQ<100
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
kdomanski: office drones are a big market
ascii_at_beach needs to find a cleaner way to do this than injection
kakobrekla: injection?
mircea_popescu: kdomanski nobody stops to think that well, organisations populated by the mouthbreathing won't survive anyway.
mircea_popescu: he's such an opsec freak he's hacking his own boxen
ascii_at_beach: finfisher << pathetic joke, like 'carnivore' and offer Official turdware
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: long term they won't, but short term? quarterly bottom line & shit
ascii_at_beach: 'kindly install this trojan, for the good of the Motherland. sincerely, usg.'
mircea_popescu: kdomanski excuse me while im being all ideological over here.
mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach it is, yes.
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: re: english language: this is a dire problem. more so than anyone is really willing to admit. ask - anyone who routinely translates to english from an 'adult' language
mircea_popescu: i have.
mircea_popescu: my tribulations doing that are about half of what led to the article.
mircea_popescu: (mine was backwards. one person hacked some code together even to prove to me my romanian can in fact not be translated to english)
ascii_at_beach: lol!
mircea_popescu: at least the whole college system in the us is providing value...less data on "what happens if you try do have pig latin academia"
mircea_popescu: maybe i should have said priceless.
ascii_at_beach: not like the next mega-empire that gets tired of living will study 'prior art.'
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Mac OS has been stable for some time OS 7.5.1 was what, two decades ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5721 @ 0.00078041 = 4.4647 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !s pummle
assbot: 2 results for 'pummle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pummle
mircea_popescu: peterl is that a fact ?
peterl: yup, my new name
mircea_popescu: lemme ask you something. do you trade altchains atm ?
peterl: me? no
mircea_popescu: do you trade anything at all ?
peterl: wait, what do you mean altchains?
mircea_popescu: like litecoin or w/e other bitcoin wannabes
mircea_popescu: http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2012/12/08/a-cold-day-in-hell/ << i lolled.
assbot: Canecitt » Blog Archive » A Cold Day in Hell
peterl: oh, no, I don't trade much.
mircea_popescu: aite.
peterl: I sold my old extra bitcointalk account just before I started pummle.
mircea_popescu: lol i wonder how many of those are owner-operated.
BingoBoingo: Like 2Chainz with less hiphop
ascii_at_beach: 'they are desperate to avoid a scenario where the US collapses on its own, with no external enemy to blame...'
ascii_at_beach: (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/german-stunner-west-is-on-wrong-path_8.html)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00078792 = 1.5364 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i agree, that'd not be good for anyone.
ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: on the contrary - very good for vendors of rope, soap.
mircea_popescu: you know engines of flying machiens can fail in two modes.
mircea_popescu: generally, the restartable failure is preferable.
ascii_at_beach: 'restartable' is, afaik, just a happy nostalgic dream at this point
mircea_popescu: i disagree.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach
mircea_popescu: but im also taking off to town, so we'll continue later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00078438 = 8.6674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00078438 = 1.8433 BTC [-]
peterl: somebody pump and dumped S.MPOE?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0007881 = 2.8766 BTC [+]