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mircea_popescu: dignork a cool.
mircea_popescu: !up vcorem
assbot: Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: o hi
kakobrekla: ur late
dignork: sorry mp, he is in IL, it's 3am there
kakobrekla: how is it 3am there if its 3am here
dignork: kakobrekla: IL as in Israel, UTC +2 or so
kakobrekla: a
thestringpuller: you mean chicago
mircea_popescu: artifexd a major point perhaps not so specifically stated in the article is that an actually working wot has two parts, the wot (ie, graph of relations) and the channel (ie, graph of conversations). they support each other, and the "real" wot is their juncture, in a sense.
kakobrekla: i thought he ment illanois?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla weren't you supposed to be in bed ? :D
kakobrekla: i am!
mircea_popescu: aok.
mircea_popescu: dignork no big deal, it's 3 am here too :D
kakobrekla: just like you know like you p ointed out earlier
kakobrekla: sitting by pc is like a caffeine injection
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla dude could you believe that chick's dress ?
kakobrekla: which ??
mircea_popescu: if the forum ever finds out what she's been doing with her salary...
kakobrekla: pr's dress?
kakobrekla: im not following this
mircea_popescu: yeah.
kakobrekla: well it seemed normal to me?
kakobrekla: dunno, i dont go out much.
mircea_popescu: lol kako is a turk. sits in bed all day and smokes.
kakobrekla: lel
kakobrekla: i guess its not too far off.
kakobrekla: but i dont smoke in bed anymore.
mircea_popescu: how come ?
kakobrekla: well i guess i try to give the lungs a bit of rest each night so the bedroom is smokeless.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: It was the conversations part that led me to my suggestion about adding ident information to log.bitcoin-assets.com. If you and I are talking right now, I can ensure that you are who I think you are (wot-wise). But if I'm researching you and I find some stuff that your nick said in the log. I don't know if it was you or someone with your
artifexd: nick. This, of course, assumes trust of the person maintaining the logs.
mircea_popescu: but since im voiced... i'm authed.
mircea_popescu: you see teh beauty of this.
artifexd: But are you authed as mircea_popescu or someone else?
artifexd: For example...
mircea_popescu: who would i be authed as ?
benkay: Hi
kakobrekla: yeah, enforce password for nickserv
benkay: Assuming auth == nick
kakobrekla: thats the only solution
mircea_popescu: whoa i thought assbot kicked voice on /nick
mircea_popescu: but yes, otherwise, you get kicked in 30 seconds by nickserv anyway
kakobrekla: no it will follow the name change.
artifexd: Imma test that
mircea_popescu: go ahead
kakobrekla: poor benkay
benkay: I got a warning from nickserv saying it will kick me.
kakobrekla: i mean the real one
benkay: But...
benkay: Almost...
kakobrekla: you gonna be guest
Guest46913: Hi
kakobrekla: there
mircea_popescu: i can't believe nobody reg'd derpy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, problem with colors is we'd rapidly run out of colors.
mircea_popescu: kako is not a koloring book.
kakobrekla: i think _i_ cant /nick because im the owner
mircea_popescu: so basically cognitive is the name of a zombie
mircea_popescu: it goes braaaainnnzzz
artifexd: Colors was just a possible implementation. The real point was to have the gribble auth status in the logs.
artifexd: Since nick changes don't show up in the log (do they?) later on, it could look like benkay was actually in here.
mircea_popescu: ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense.
artifexd: Just for a short period of time. :)
mircea_popescu: artifexd yeah, and if you keep doing this sort of shit you won't have voice anymore and problem solved.
mircea_popescu: you don't need technology to solve all edge cases. you just need it to give peoplez teh tools to do it themselves.
artifexd: Am I currently misbehaving?
mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing a hypothetical
artifexd: I wanted to clarify whether I was being chastised.
mircea_popescu: you were like, o, someone could derp in here. and i was like, yeah, but they need voice. so you were like, well, maybe they have it.
mircea_popescu: and i was like... not for long.
mircea_popescu: so your hypotethical dood going around nicking as other people to fuck up the logs paternity was being chastised.
artifexd: "set enforce on" becomes even more important.
kakobrekla: 03:39.19 ( +mircea_popescu ) ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense. < it doesnt need to make sense, goat is an idiot but garr is bigger one. it is possible he bluff pressed it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but... he got repaid 0.6 for the shares he bought over .6 but he kept the others, bought at .1 ?
mircea_popescu: so... he sitll has shares ?
mircea_popescu: wtf.
kakobrekla: he is putting himself in a bad position
kakobrekla: the only reason he would fake it to save his rep
kakobrekla: which
kakobrekla: he is also destroying
kakobrekla: at same time
mircea_popescu: so it makes any sense
mircea_popescu: well, at least not in any sort of sane way
kakobrekla: but yeah, i can see him reasoning that keeping the cheap shares is a good idea
mircea_popescu: what if there's going to be a scam report next from garr that goat sold him THE CHEAP SHAREs
mircea_popescu: and kept the other ones
mircea_popescu: contrary to the agreement
kakobrekla: it makes no difference really since all shares are equal
kakobrekla: point is how many you hold and what is the btc offset
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. it's best to have bigger shares of number.
mircea_popescu: ahh i had too much fun today.
mircea_popescu: on my 3rd celebratory night cpa.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: it was fun.
thestringpuller: it'll get more fun every year as long as we live to see it
mircea_popescu: there must be upper bound of fun
mircea_popescu: otherwise funflation.
thestringpuller: i think the fun needs to be divided equally and shared with everyone equally, regardless of contribution...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl the only thing asics are good for is that it's no longer perfectly feasible for an actor with a fab to take over the chain. it's not something wanted, but moreover something that couldn't be avoided.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller im willing to share it with teh girls!
mircea_popescu: lmao at OpenFFL. "oh, it
mircea_popescu: s open source so the code is reviewed"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i'm not authed but voiced
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: except one of the most critical pieces of security infrastructure was NOT reviewed
thestringpuller: ohter way around
thestringpuller: i'm voiced but not authed
thestringpuller: wait
thestringpuller: what...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you're not drunk but you're drinking ?
thestringpuller: I'm too drunk for this.
thestringpuller: can we start calling it MP-Con?
mircea_popescu: "Pros – -Everyone at Clinkle is a genius of high caliber"
mircea_popescu: the place where everyone's a genius. unsurprisingly, somewhere in california.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete so i just tried to put a comment in, but "forbidden please enable javascript". as if.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete anyway, i was saying that teh yurpeans also had the sort of war-as-a-sporting-event thing, before the french "republic" invented socialism. they worked just fine for evereyone (yes, including those least qualified to form an opinion on the matter).
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: JavaScript, the,most powerful tool on the internet after <blink>
mircea_popescu: and <derp>
TestingUnoDosTre: Deep started it all
TestingUnoDosTre: Derppppp
TestingUnoDosTre: Had this beer today that was brewed with the hottest peppers in the world. Slightly afraid I'm going to piss fire tonight.
TestingUnoDosTre: Will report back with results. </derp>
mircea_popescu: so pee on a fire hidrant.
mircea_popescu: anywya, that's all for me. laters!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0660053 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30437 @ 0.0009882 = 30.0778 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02993279 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.04400122 = 0.88 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0670888 = 0.3354 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0671 = 0.2684 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52 = 2.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52205833 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1149 @ 0.00070185 = 0.8064 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 851 @ 0.00069971 = 0.5955 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3609 @ 0.0009882 = 3.5664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.50667795 = 29.894 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0672 = 0.4704 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: Whatup mang
TestingUnoDosTre: Mpex trading pretty high
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;depth MPOE
gribble: Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.0, Best ask: 476.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 476.0, 24 hour volume: 12555.59750920, 24 hour low: 470.0, 24 hour high: 506.97, 24 hour vwap: 482.722329726
TestingUnoDosTre: Low volume, price dropping
joecool: hm
cgcardona_: yea 'spike' last coupla days and now coolin off.
thestringpuller: TestingUnoDosTre:
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['12950 @ 0.00098156', '16798 @ 0.00098102', '10873 @ 0.00097965', '3269 @ 0.00097456', '29200 @ 0.00097379']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['24891 @ 0.00098344', '3000 @ 0.00098435', '6450 @ 0.00098939', '11200 @ 0.00099063', '20780 @ 0.00099203']
TestingUnoDosTre: Gracias
thestringpuller: it's cause of the conference
TestingUnoDosTre: That's what I was thinking
thestringpuller: .0011 is the upper limit
thestringpuller: it'll probably go crazy again tomorrow
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096891 / 0.00098215 / 0.00101 (315271 shares, 309.64 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.000966 / 0.00101 (3427477 shares, 3,310.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00080946 / 0.00095162 / 0.00101 (20403529 shares, 19,416.61 BTC)
TestingUnoDosTre: Is tomorrow VIP or public?
TestingUnoDosTre: What's with the slashes?
thestringpuller: low average high
TestingUnoDosTre: Low ave high?
TestingUnoDosTre: Gotcha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00098156 = 8.1469 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.004997 = 0.1999 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.75, Best ask: 474.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 474.62, 24 hour volume: 12563.33651067, 24 hour low: 470.0, 24 hour high: 506.97, 24 hour vwap: 482.543433306
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1113 @ 0.0001729 = 0.1924 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: that must've been the stupid spam-blocker i tried adding recently. it's now deactivated. i'm vaguely familiar with the gentlemanliness of middle ages aristocratic rivalries. sounds lovely, really. far more pleasant than the tyrannical populi or tyrannical khans bookending it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5011001 = 5.011 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00098344 = 5.6056 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10873 @ 0.00097965 = 10.6517 BTC [-]
jurov: morning
fluffypony: morning
fluffypony: http://antonopoulos.com/2014/04/18/neo-bee-a-statement-by-andreas-m-antonopoulos-a-consultants-perspective/
ozbot: Neo & Bee – A Statement By Andreas M. Antonopoulos – A consultant’s perspective | Andreas M. A
HeySteve: hello
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5001 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ancient Greece or dusty motherboard: http://i.imgur.com/97UageG.jpg
HeySteve: ha
HeySteve: going with motherboard
HeySteve: hmm, I should lay out my garden with hedges and such in the form of my GPU
fluffypony: lol
HeySteve: been levelling it out for a badmington court
jurov held cardano boards in his hands last night
jurov: #uaskweleak
HeySteve: I read about this device
HeySteve: good to hear it's a thing
mircea_popescu pulls up the logs to see who's been up early
mircea_popescu: !up vcorem
assbot: Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hey there.
mircea_popescu: o hai jurov
jurov: hey
jurov: 10am is early? lol
mircea_popescu: pretty cool the faraday cages asciilifeform came up with huh.
mircea_popescu: yes it is for me!
mircea_popescu: (also it's 11)
jurov: i was here hour ago
mircea_popescu: this is true
fluffypony: 10am here
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2833
ozbot: BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015
mircea_popescu: "what if he pronounces it wrong" lmao
jurov: many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint"
mircea_popescu: i got this comment link from mod was all like omgwtfbbq fml!
jurov: *around
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgwetpq?context=3
mircea_popescu: is this the reddit where it turns out the "cfo" never got any accounts etc ?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
fluffypony: yes - and hilariously there's now a call for regulation and barriers to entry
mircea_popescu: herpderp. reddit calls.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: hmm, I should lay out my garden with hedges and such in the form of my GPU << then you could dress as an electron and run around there to mine.
fluffypony: so I pointed out that there already *is* an exchange with barriers to entry to prevent stupidity, but that "everyone" complains about it and then wonders why they get scammed
mircea_popescu: didja get downvoted ?
fluffypony: not yet, just posted it a few mins ago
fluffypony: waiting for the downvotes to commence :-P
mircea_popescu: "Danny’s plans before any of us came on board, were shortsighted on multiple levels. What kept us together through it all, was not the brilliance of the plan, but the coherence and communication of the assembled team and its skill sets. "
mircea_popescu: fucktards these people.
fluffypony: "So then MPEX.co creates a barrier to entry by being extremely strict with listings, depending heavily on the WoT for trust and on GPG for contracts, and charging a 30 BTC fee to register as a trader (alternatively you can use a broker like CoinBr. This prevents scammy listings and (generally speaking) means that investors are of the sort that have money to invest and the rationale to think things through.
fluffypony: And yet many people hate those barriers to entry and want to invest (read: lose) money by throwing it at the dodgiest listings on the dodgiest "exchanges" because they think they'll make money in an unregulated environment. And they complain about MPEX's barriers to entry! There are truly no limits to human greed."
mircea_popescu: there's a post abouit how communication is inexistent,
mircea_popescu: under it, an explanation claiming that it was the communication that kept them together
mircea_popescu: the general population is in incontrovertible point of fact too stupid to live.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00097686 = 3.4679 BTC [-]
fluffypony: on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: the space of observation stands with the space of experience roughly in the relation integers stand with reals
mircea_popescu: hm, maybe that was opaque. what's your background fluffypony ?
fluffypony: academically not maths - informatics and logistics, so only a smattering of maths
mircea_popescu: ah
fluffypony: maybe I'm not understanding how "learn" and "mistake" are defined contextually
fluffypony: as an example
fluffypony: a new business wants to do advertising
fluffypony: the CEO/manager/whatever does a ton of research, and realises it is his not his expertise
fluffypony: so he researches and finds a domain expert
fluffypony: and pays for some consultation
mircea_popescu: ok. the math-y thing i was refering too you'll prolly get if you read http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/
mircea_popescu: basically, infinities are not all created equal, some are much larger than others.
fluffypony: the expert advises on radio advertising, and they spend $100k on radio advertising
fluffypony: which doesn't translate into clicks, and they then *learn* from that *mistake* that they should have spent the $100k on online advertising instead
mircea_popescu: which was kinda the idea, there's an infinite space for experience, and in every iota of it there's an infinite space for observation.
fluffypony: so where in that process is the mistake?
fluffypony clicks to read
mircea_popescu: the mistake does not exist :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12876 @ 0.00097686 = 12.578 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is why it's so difficult to find.
fluffypony: yeah
jurov: if it was major chunk of budget, it can be labeled as mistake
fluffypony: jurov: that I agree with
fluffypony: he should have tested the waters with a small budget and measured the results
mircea_popescu: if they learn from that mistake that "they should have x instead" they're prolly pretty dumb anyway.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should have hired A cup chicks to dance in a circle around roger ver, in their underwear.
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: for instance, take danny brewester's rookie mistake
mircea_popescu: (to be clear, since he's made so many : the one where he bought out all the advertising in a market, for a day)
mircea_popescu: now, what's to be learned from there ?
fluffypony: which rookie mistake are we talking about - the advertising one or another one?
mircea_popescu: the former
fluffypony: don't advertise when you don't even have a product
fluffypony: marketing is the last link in the chain, not the first
mircea_popescu: not a bad one.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, they could have learned that advertising is the corporate equivalent of the cock measuring competition, and you don't buy it out of proportion to your market share unless you are significantly more capitalised than the average.
mircea_popescu: neobee did not have more money than the average cypriot bank, and so a media overbuy strategy was a loser.
fluffypony: yeah agreed
mircea_popescu: well so now... vastly different lessons available from experience.
mircea_popescu: and you still have to observe your own experience.
mircea_popescu: so, while it's true that not every lesson can be learned from experience (usually because humans are too attached to their own, ego-defensive processing of experience), definitely any lesson can be learned from observation.
mircea_popescu: and even mutually incompatible lessons, for that matter.
fluffypony: I agree with that
mircea_popescu: finally, they could have learned that you do not grow rich by overpaying, and that retail is for suckers.
mircea_popescu: both rather useful life lessons, and the more likely to be learned.
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: that's what truely separates the wayward (ie, erroneous) from the outright imbecilic (ie, rookie) : he didn't even fucking bother to get a good deal.
fluffypony: yeah, when you have buying power and you don't leverage it that's just idiotic
mircea_popescu: he had all the leverage he could possibly imaginably have : he didn't need a fixed date ; he was x-buying anyway. the publishers had nothing, he could have gotten any deal he wanted.
mircea_popescu: but he didn't have brains enough to ask even, let alone push for it.
fluffypony: also I'm not sure why everyone bought his spiel about being an early BTC/LTC adopter, there wasn't any evidence of that; his lack of technical understanding of cryptocurrency fundamentals would point to the opposite
mircea_popescu: they all claim that sorta shit. this is part of why you don't want teenaged officers : they have issues with approval, and they seek it the wrong ways in the wrong venues.
mircea_popescu: instead of seeking mine, he went seeking the publishers'. well fucking hell obivously they'll approve you giving them free money.
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: also breeds this habint of obtaining it by lying (like the early adopter stuff) which is pernicious, because it creats the habit of lying.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like metadrugs.
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: guy becomes unable to motivate himself : why put in half hour of work to learn how to crochet
mircea_popescu: when you could claim you're an intenrational crochet champion, to the mouth gaping amazement of everyone.
mircea_popescu: then next week you're also a horse riding expert
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: and within half a year just the rent extracted from you by all this bullshit
mircea_popescu: cause of course it needs to be supported, you end up having to leave town in the middle of some crisis because you think people expect you to go to the crochet championship next town over or w/e
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: the rent becomes 90% of all your expenditure, and wd! you've created a new us.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, read the old pirate stuff, exactly the same broken sort of personality.
HeySteve: I'm watching a good film about a man who believes himself to be Sherlock Holmes, often the delusion is rooted in denial of some painful reality
mircea_popescu: yeah. usually the painful reality being that one's, you know, 17.
fluffypony: how old is Danny?
mircea_popescu: twenties something.
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: like the crinkle guy, except in fiat they don't let dorks trade on the company funds.
fluffypony: everyone "started a company" in their twenties, it's just that when I did nobody would've invested in it (even if I'd asked)
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, sure.
fluffypony: I must say, the one good thing about having spent a few years at a listed corporate is that you see all the red tape and regulatory crap
fluffypony: and whilst everyone complains about it, you get to see why it's there
mircea_popescu: people rarely spend much time complaining about something that has no good reason to exist.
mircea_popescu: it'd have gone away by now, sort of thing.
fluffypony: yep
fluffypony: lol - "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem.", but he gave Neo & Bee a "Buy Rating" a month ago
mircea_popescu: "But Andreas Topulopulus , our God And Bitcoin Leader said we can trust him?"
mircea_popescu: there's all these fucktards that imagine derping about how saying nigger is bad will suddenly qualify them to opine on matters.
mircea_popescu: lol look who's here.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: you missed your Twitter friend yesterday
mircea_popescu: i was just about to say, people think they can do due diligence, but universally they can not. however, there's going to be a living to be made in the future for those who actulaly learn to.
kakobrekla: sup
fluffypony: kakobrekla: morning
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla my tits!
kakobrekla: :*
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: lol
jurov: !b 4 ✂︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1786327/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !down assbot
assbot: I don't do bots, mircea_popescu.
ThickAsThieves: test
ThickAsThieves: weird, the first comment after you upped me didnt get thru
mircea_popescu: cuz what counts is when assbot gets around to doing it, not when i say it.
mircea_popescu: we're like a polity over here, and assbot is the bureaucracy. we can pass whatever resolutions we want...
ThickAsThieves: ;;assbotlag
gribble: Error: "assbotlag" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;echo assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey!
gribble: assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey!
fluffypony: oh I miss the goxlag days
jurov: ;;goxlag
gribble: Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: gribble can talk now too?
ThickAsThieves: we're fucked
jurov: .ozbot
jurov: .bait
ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mamtxnMUwJ1qcs7dao1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/19/law-is-not-scary/
ozbot: Law is not scary | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: anyone know this kid ?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b31 this is gonna be a bet to watch i guess
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
mircea_popescu: kinds funny how contrarian people are in their betting.
ThickAsThieves: indeed
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are hedging
ThickAsThieves: is anyone we know even doing any respectable due diligence in any shape or form?
jurov: ;;ud due diligence
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=due+diligence | Due Diligence is a term used for a number of concepts involving either the performance of an investigation of a business or person, or the performa...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: due diligence
ThickAsThieves: jurov is doing his due diligence on due diligence
jurov: i was hoping that hipstrs redefined it already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00232768 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {40}
jurov: but they haven't headr at all
jurov: *heard
HeySteve: speaking of due diligence, what is the WoT etiquette on a big name who doesn't wish to auth?
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony:on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation // well, NEW experiences can't be learned by observation, generally
ThickAsThieves: but "new" experiences need to more than new-to-you
jurov: HeySteve: look no futher that to ThickAsThieves here
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yesh
ThickAsThieves: this also goes in hand with mp's past comments on advising to make mistakes people havent made already, thereby adding to the trove of things we know won't work
fluffypony: HeySteve: it depends - if you're trading with them then they generally have to auth; whilst you can check with nickserv if they have enforce on and are identified Freenode have said that it's possible NS passwords were leaked coz of heartbleed
HeySteve: this is my exact concern, yes
HeySteve: not a trading situation but journalistic
fluffypony: HeySteve: so mention at the outset of the article that the quotes may be unsubstantiated because of reasons mentioned above?
HeySteve: thanks, that makes sense. nothing else for it really
ThickAsThieves: or ask the person to sign properly if it's important
ThickAsThieves: etc
HeySteve: that I have, no dice. verified email tho. I'm perhaps being extra cautious as it will be a big story
HeySteve: I believe the most expensive item yet trading for btc
ThickAsThieves: :/
kakobrekla: 11:11.29 ( +jurov ) many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint" < same here, but 'bitcoind' but they are not meanin the daemon.
jurov: even worse "betececka" "betececky"
jurov: (while "cecky" means tits)
kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: i left something icky for ya'll:
ThickAsThieves: "You probably didn’t stop flying because you have to go through airport screeners, take off your shoes, let your laptop be X-rayed and your luggage possibly rummaged through by security personnel. You shouldn’t close your business either. Instead, level with your customers, tell them what the government is capable of doing, and allow them make up their own minds as to whether to do business with you or not.
ThickAsThieves: Revelations aside, nothing has changed. The NSA monitored communications well before Edward Snowden leaked documents to Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. It has long had the power of the subpoena to compel a business to hand over records and documents.
ThickAsThieves: Shutting down won’t accomplish much. Staying open just might."
ThickAsThieves: ignore where i said "i left"
ThickAsThieves: he's speaking on Lavabit
ThickAsThieves: more snippets here: http://pando.com/2014/04/18/lavabit-creator-held-in-contempt-for-making-a-tiny-tiny-point/
kakobrekla: the gathering is at 2?
ThickAsThieves: yessir
kakobrekla: kk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00097686 = 3.9074 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.00084637 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: but i already auth'd and upped myself i thought ...?
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: do !up on pvt again
kakobrekla: what does it say
kakobrekla: aha
kakobrekla: !up ThickAsThieves
assbot: Voice for ThickAsThieves extended to 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: dafuq.
kakobrekla: who made this shit
ThickAsThieves: i am bcauth'd, if that helps
kakobrekla: lemme check smth
kakobrekla: hrm i dunno perhaps you found a corner case.
kakobrekla: !down ThickAsThieves
kakobrekla: up on pm now
kakobrekla: now its perma.
ThickAsThieves: "So bitbet joins the list of sxam sites. Moderators arbitrarily declaring in-time bets as late."
ThickAsThieves: cool
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt me!
kakobrekla: lol that thing again
kakobrekla: as i said, a 'fuck you' clause must be added.
Duffer1: is that from Uno?
kakobrekla: lol did you guys see that Ukyo thread
kakobrekla: apparently people are calling his wife and family now
kakobrekla: must be fun
Duffer1: o,o
ThickAsThieves: shitty
kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitfunder-moving-forward-resolution-process.197576/page-74#post-5988234
kakobrekla: and such
ozbot: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process | Page 74 | Bitcointa.lk
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: "hi mom, your son owes us millions, can you cover for it ?"
fluffypony: meh
fluffypony: why do they think it'll make a difference calling his wife?
kakobrekla: because she has the btc ofc.
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: she's hiding the privkeys in her snatch
fluffypony: ok that was overly rude, I take that back :-P
kakobrekla: http://www.humint.is/goxcoin/
ozbot: Goxcoin - Humint
kakobrekla: O_o
cazalla: Duffer1: it's TestingUnoDosTre for sure
Duffer1: i was so offended i shall report thee to the internets police
Duffer1: didn't he get a refund?
cazalla: yeah
cazalla: clearly not enough for him
Duffer1: he got off LUCKY
fluffypony: "Goxcoin would be issued on a one-to-one basis to trusted and verified accounts."
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ping jurov
kakobrekla: your friend is looking for you
cazalla: Duffer1: agreed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22632 @ 0.00097379 = 22.0388 BTC [-]
fluffypony: off to a beer fest I go, cheers
jurov: kakobrekla: you in the bar or where?
jurov: i felt like resting some more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6568 @ 0.00097379 = 6.3959 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00097178 = 23.5657 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27576 @ 0.00096972 = 26.741 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: Earliest awake- 6:17 in Derpmerica
TestingUnoDosTre: No that comment wasn't from me
TestingUnoDosTre: I take it to the chat, not wherever you guys were looking
TestingUnoDosTre: I would rather many more herpers and derpers flock to the site so I can take their hard earned btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04599999 = 0.23 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1656 @ 0.00097686 = 1.6177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06714999 = 0.1343 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04633333 = 0.139 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6204 @ 0.00097884 = 6.0727 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02901175 = 0.116 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: There was another person who's bet was submitted at the same time as mine. Most likely them
TestingUnoDosTre: $depth MPOE
mpexbot: TestingUnoDosTre: S.MPOE Bids: ['40246 @ 0.00098051', '34294 @ 0.00097857', '30300 @ 0.00097167', '21065 @ 0.00096972', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
mpexbot: TestingUnoDosTre: Asks: ['18196 @ 0.00098059', '36000 @ 0.00098512', '6450 @ 0.00098939', '11200 @ 0.00099063', '20780 @ 0.00099203']
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 597 @ 0.00018195 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00098051 = 11.1288 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00098357 = 52.3259 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21139 @ 0.00098051 = 20.727 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04533334 = 0.136 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.0742218 = 3.6369 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06601 = 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00496216 = 0.1836 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0049111 = 0.4125 BTC [-] {2}
TomServo: .d
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1716 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.4498% in 10d 18h 47m 54s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7446 @ 0.00098881 = 7.3627 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067138 = 0.1343 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00500999 = 0.1002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14857 @ 0.00099011 = 14.7101 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.50001 = 5.0001 BTC [+]
benkay: mornin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.07119720 BTC to 8`524 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hey didja know that if you have an avatar.png at the root of your domain it'll show up on trilema as your avatar?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: http://tohjiro.tumblr.com/image/82780835734
ozbot: All Flesh Is Erotic Flesh: Photo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.5 = 6.5 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1522 @ 0.00013629 = 0.2074 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: yo
benkay: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06598382 = 1.9795 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06590245 = 0.659 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06590253 = 0.659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona_: been working all morning getting image transitions to work w/ css from this tutorial http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/cfimg/
cgcardona_: It's pretty sweet to move that from JS into CSS
cgcardona_: makes the code much more terse and easier to mentally digest IMO
cgcardona_: seemingly better seperation of concerns though you still need to toggle classes with JS to trigger them so it's not entirely cleanly seperated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06590253 = 0.3954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
fluffypony: cgcardona_: CSS gives me a headache...I'm definitely not a front-end person from that perspective
cgcardona_: sure but what are the other options
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2693 @ 0.00098487 = 2.6523 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: the whole web stack is a rube goldberg machine if ever there were one
cgcardona_: got the w3c and ecma standardizing different languages
cgcardona_: got `background-color` in CSS and `backgroundColor` in the DOM
cgcardona_: shit is cray cray
cgcardona_: I was in the HTML5 working group in the W3C and got to see the red tape up front.
cgcardona_: one of the most passionate group of people I've ever met but legendary red-tape
cgcardona_: and bureaucracy
cgcardona_: but Tim Berners Lee is one of the most humble people that I've me who've accomplished that much IMO
cgcardona_: I met him at a W3C plenary meeting so it's possible he was extra relaxed in that environment but he was super kind.
fluffypony: I'm quite jealous - would love to meet him one day
fluffypony: you're right, there aren't other options
fluffypony: I just don't "get" CSS
fluffypony: I'm forced to dabble, so the nature of it eludes me
fluffypony: and invariably I end up in ##css asking for help :-P
cgcardona_: oksushi in #css is an OG css ninja. not sure if he still hangs there these days.
cgcardona_: ;;rate fluffypony 1 seen often in #btc-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
fluffypony: ;;rate cgcardona_ 1 bitcoin-assets regular
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
cgcardona_: I got two shots w/ Timbl & my son http://i.imgur.com/8CmOHmZ.jpg && http://i.imgur.com/0erLCdQ.jpg </not so humble brag>
fluffypony: lol neat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04434039 = 0.2217 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0668 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00099089 = 13.7238 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.44, Best ask: 503.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 503.59, 24 hour volume: 9381.75540973, 24 hour low: 472.81, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 490.16918288
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001308 = 0.1308 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06689999 = 0.1338 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo how'd you feel about that movie money ball?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
turbo_ac100: This has MP written all over it: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/reactos-community-edition/contributions/new?perk_amt=50000&perk_id=1864501
dignork: turbo_ac100: open source windows clone? I have to admit, I looked at their source code once, while trying to figure out some windows undocumented functionality, but rewriting outdated OS, what for?
midnightmagic: Are they planning some kind of XP-like forever-support?
midnightmagic: Maybe they're going to take all the XP customers who hate anything that's happened since.
midnightmagic: *"users"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0049107 = 0.1228 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00099013 = 16.7827 BTC [-]
bounce: compare freedos. an unencumbered drop-in replacement for an obsolete proprietary system. what's the point of that?
bounce: useful to boot all sorts of dos diagnostics, flash utilities, whatnot. useful for games. the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable. and so on. same with reactos, except with a more recent and more widely used application base.
fluffypony: especially for games
fluffypony: OS X and Linux are not winning in that space atm
fluffypony: a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice
thestringpuller: fluffypony: a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice << i've been sayin' that for years lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
joecool: i thought directx code was merged into wine like a year or two ago
turbo_ac100: midnightmagic: Yeah that's why I think the timing is good for ReactOS. Now with XP being axed for the nth time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.00684636 = 0.1027 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony: joecool: yeah, we're discussing the "what for" part of dignork's comment
thestringpuller: joecool: it really doesn't work...
thestringpuller: i have so many glitches, so i run legit windows for steam...
turbo_ac100: Problem is they won't be 100% XP anytime soon so it won't even be good enough for most people.
fluffypony: turbo_ac100: but for LoB applications it's already pretty good
turbo_ac100: LoB?
fluffypony: oh sorry - Line of Business
fluffypony: so domain specific, company specific apps
fluffypony: that are expensive to rewrite
turbo_ac100: hmkay. There is a good niche for them already then.
fluffypony nods
turbo_ac100: Question for those companys is: Why not use win7/8
fluffypony: upgrade $$$
fluffypony: also some of those apps may be really old - Windows NT stuff
joecool: does it really matter anymore, i thought steam was going all linux and MS pissed off the devs with the windows 8 directx stuf
joecool: *stuff
fluffypony: turbo_ac100: http://www.asiteaboutnothing.net/c_16bit-virtualization.html
fluffypony: the only way to run 16-bit apps in Vista+ is through a VM
fluffypony: or stick with XP
turbo_ac100: oh
turbo_ac100: ~10 lines in "Here is the quick workaround: Install DosBox." lol
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: I've seen a LOT of LoB apps where they abstracted the business logic from the display/interface
fluffypony: the business logic stays as a 16-bit DLL/tray app
fluffypony: and the front-end gets a modern overhaul
turbo_ac100: this is madness...
fluffypony: so then you're stuck on unsupported XP for a long time till that layer can get re-written
fluffypony: April 2009 – September 2010 (1 year 6 months) Newlands
fluffypony: Convert Banking systems written in MANTIS to COBOL under CICS using customised conversion tool and Microfocus Cobol.
fluffypony: ^^ modern banking upgrades
fluffypony: "we've moved to COBOL to keep it in line with our other systems"
turbo_ac100: COBOL a'ight
thestringpuller: lol reminds me of TSYS TS1 platform
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3722 @ 0.00099203 = 3.6923 BTC [+]
dignork: fluffypony: COBOL, allright, but on way hopefully they moved from dbase-style to relational DB, i've seen this happening in some insurance company
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06674 = 0.1335 BTC [-]
bounce: if I had a choice I'd much prefer my (expensive!) equipment be steered by something unix-y, but if that's Just Too Hard for the people designing the machinery I'll take an open source windows drop-in replacement. better for long term support and all that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02970872 = 0.208 BTC [+] {6}
bounce: on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. gotta love brittle "engineering" (by certified engineers!) like that. I don't suppose there's embedded software consultancy houses that'll do stress testing on the programs to see they'll stand up to such outlandish weirness as running without admin rights and still function after hotfixes get installed and such.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00098832 = 45.1435 BTC [-] {3}
cgcardona_: someone invented the wot! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12469/bitcorati-hub-bitcoin-community/ !1!!1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04430003 = 0.1772 BTC [-]
dignork: bounce: equipment manufactuer won't give you a warranty if you use windows drop-in
dignork: cgcardona_: it sounds more like "yellow pages with comments"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06675 = 0.2003 BTC [+]
cgcardona_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.8, Best ask: 505.13, Bid-ask spread: 1.33000, Last trade: 503.8, 24 hour volume: 10320.24006568, 24 hour low: 472.81, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 492.582803785