tmsr - Log 2014-01-01

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0230001 = 0.184 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02296256 = 0.4363 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.0218548 = 0.5027 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 243 @ 0.00298 = 0.7241 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00298995 = 0.2003 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1881 @ 0.00091463 = 1.7204 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2976 @ 0.00091681 = 2.7284 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00091712 = 12.8397 BTC [+]

dignork: MBS_, ever heard of termorectal cryptanalysis?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 95 @ 0.0026 = 0.247 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00091662 = 10.1699 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00091883 = 22.9248 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30999959 = 1.55 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.30999999 = 6.2 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00091936 = 5.8839 BTC [+]

ozbot: [ANN] RON PAUL COIN (RPC) RELEASE. RARE COIN SAFE FROM PUMP-N-DUMPING!

Duffer1: "safe from pump n dump" guess that one's going to die way faster than the average shitcoin

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00091638 = 12.921 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1729 @ 0.00009746 = 0.1685 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00091636 = 16.3112 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10121 @ 0.00091519 = 9.2626 BTC [-] {2}

VanCleef: ron paul coin .....where noone gives a shit

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00091936 = 6.1597 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.3099997 = 4.65 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00091552 = 12.7715 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00091444 = 3.292 BTC [-]

6JTAAXJTS: on bitbet.us - is there a way to view the last 100 or 200 propositions? http://bitbet.us/propositions/ only shows the last 50

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2933 @ 0.00091565 = 2.6856 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11634 @ 0.00091444 = 10.6386 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00091584 = 6.2277 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.30999999 = 2.17 BTC [+] {2}

Vexual: pakistan sold out of #0 phillips head screwdrivers

mircea_popescu: seems oddly overpriced but what do i know of red tape.

Vexual: me thinks they havent updated their prices sine 2007

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091444 = 5.3038 BTC [-]

Vexual: high school trig, a consumer radome, and it's @thats not jam, it's spoof!@

assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090326 / 0.000912 / 0.00091936 (684127 shares, 623.93 BTC), 7D: 0.00062972 / 0.00085727 / 0.00091936 (4322849 shares, 3,705.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087255 / 0.00091936 (18680368 shares, 16,299.58 BTC)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2}

Vexual: they had a few months to go stealing back laptops tho

ozbot: Simple harmonic motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00091444 = 5.4866 BTC [-]

Duffer1: happy new years #bitcoin-assets, may your bitcoins and assets do well this year

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091405 = 14.0764 BTC [-] {2}

Vexual: i seem to remember eeports of alienwares arriving with dodgy soldering

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18266 @ 0.00091453 = 16.7048 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00091453 = 5.8338 BTC [+]

s4rn: what's the difference between cryptostocks.com and havelock investments? i bought cryptsy stock from cryptostocks, now i'm interested in investing in neo&bee

BingoBoingo: s4rn: Havelock seems to just be kind of scammy, but Cryptostocks is totally scammy

Vexual: theres a good chance of closed eyes shotgun wins in 2014

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00091562 = 5.6768 BTC [+]

Vexual: its an emerging industry, with capable people

Vexual: the market is bigger than predicted, and the risks are lower

Vexual: coz when the shit comes down, neobee will use all those funds for personal indenmity lawyers just like burnside did

Vexual: a proper comany will drop a director under a bus like its a catcoin, or not walk on the road when a bus is coming

Vexual: but, you can't reinvent captialism overnight

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091562 = 10.0718 BTC [+]

VanCleef: how do i buy 100 btc worth of labcoin shares?

VanCleef: i just sold the parents house and asked them to be patient and live in their car for a year so i need them asap so i can buy them a better house soon

Vexual: Did you double down or hit the triple for a nickel or not touch it cleef?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12195 @ 0.00091562 = 11.166 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091568 = 13.3231 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499993 = 0.125 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14495 @ 0.00091599 = 13.2773 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00091728 = 3.4903 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00091728 = 14.2178 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091728 = 9.9984 BTC [+]

VanCleef: why are people throwing money away on mpoe?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30000004 = 1.2 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00091827 = 14.2543 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9069 @ 0.00009746 = 0.8839 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009197 = 8.5532 BTC [+] {3}

kakobrekla: http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/12/23/isu-researcher-quits-amid-allegations-of-aids-research-fraud-involving-millions-of-federal-dollars/article?gcheck=1

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3814 @ 0.00091456 = 3.4881 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19542 @ 0.00091455 = 17.8721 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5658 @ 0.00091392 = 5.171 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.0009201 = 0.6735 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30668 @ 0.00092034 = 28.225 BTC [+] {2}

VanCleef: man who is wasting 28 btc's on that crap?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091392 = 3.1073 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.0225 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}

BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Guy should have scammed a boring disease

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00211152 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {7}

BingoBoingo: Alopecia would have been a nice choice. People have been scamming that for ages.

kakobrekla: VanCleef : better get some cog

Duffer1: "Outside of libertarian circles, it has become conventional wisdom that it is both natural and desirable for governments to monopolize the production and quantity of currency."

BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You see the dude's official portrait yet?

Duffer1: no but i suspect he looks like badluckbrian

ozbot: Mayor Bloomberg’s official portrait revealed, mocked

Duffer1: he looks like what Bush Jr would look like if he was a jew

Duffer1: "In fact, if you strip away its technological trappings -- the encryption, the peer-to-peer networks -- and Bitcoin closely resembles these earlier private efforts."

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00092036 = 7.5009 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00091891 = 16.1728 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15901 @ 0.0009205 = 14.6369 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00091551 = 10.4643 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4070 @ 0.00091368 = 3.7187 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.0009156 = 5.5961 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9738 @ 0.00091638 = 8.9237 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091358 = 12.6074 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0009121 = 15.1865 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00091195 = 1.3679 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00091686 = 11.6817 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00091315 = 21.6417 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00091749 = 5.8261 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091195 = 4.195 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0009123 = 7.5265 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 770 @ 0.00048991 = 0.3772 BTC [+] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298787 = 1.4939 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00091902 = 16.0829 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08625 = 0.4313 BTC [-]

Gotchawallet: so what do you all think about that bloomberg article

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9235 @ 0.00091942 = 8.4908 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02399997 = 0.12 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00091789 = 4.1764 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00091707 = 4.0351 BTC [-]

benkay: kinda neglects the whole "democratic governments always evolve into control regimes and a major tool in the kit is currency" angle.

the20year1: If no one likes it , no one will use it

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.30988397 = 4.3384 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30999966 = 1.86 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00091611 = 34.1709 BTC [-] {3}

kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <Positron_> The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00091942 = 1.9666 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00091993 = 7.4156 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13410 @ 0.00091997 = 12.3368 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3438 @ 0.00092242 = 3.1713 BTC [+]

ozbot: BitBet - Research In Motion (RIMM), will be acquired in 2013

Duffer1: Official announcement will be sufficient to close as Yes.

mike_c: you probably had the 'open' filter selected

benkay: defaults. those rarely considered user flow elements.

mike_c: Official announcement of acquisition is not the same as announcement of non-binding LOI. tough one to resolve, probably was a bad bet.

mike_c: this jury of one would say to the losing bettors: you should have complained at the time and said it was only a LOI.

Positron_: The takover deal was cancelled before the end of 2013. So the bet should resolve as no?

the20year1: what exchanges do you guys favor the most?

mike_c: don't you get the same answer every time you ask that here? :)

the20year1: Usually it's havelock but have been hearing good things about cryptostocks

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21208 @ 0.00091407 = 19.3856 BTC [-] {2}

Duffer1: cryptostocks listed labcoin even after they were confirmed as a scam

Duffer1: cryptostocks is a 'good' exchange in the same way 6th street in Austin is a 'good' place to buy drugs

Duffer1: you might get drugs, or you might get raped

benkay: some trade on havelock or cryptostocks, thinking the fee too steep for our liking and unwilling to pay jurov for the privilege of using his keys.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00091286 = 10.8174 BTC [-]

benkay: the20year1: look at average trade size on various exchanges.

benkay: guy gets scammed, has 'i now do bitcoin consultancy' in sig

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091195 = 9.6211 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00091195 = 2.4167 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00091182 = 14.8171 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00091108 = 24.3258 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00091258 = 13.5518 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21733 @ 0.00091015 = 19.7803 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009105 = 17.8458 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.300101 = 1.2004 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.29793486 = 13.705 BTC [-] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.28188889 = 2.537 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280975 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11278 @ 0.00091009 = 10.264 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1603 @ 0.00091282 = 1.4633 BTC [+] {2}

gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "key" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.

benkay: oh, i know how to do it. i don't know how it works.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.0225 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}

pankkake: what do you mean, works? it's a date field

Apocalyptic: pankkake, he thought it was somehow enforced in the signing/encrypting process I guess

Apocalyptic: though it doesn't make much sense to consider it

pankkake: perhaps GPG gives you a warning. but it's not like you can really enforce dates

pankkake: well, a bitcoin-like blockchain can be used to enforce dates

benkay: what about on the signature verification side? if i change my key expiry, how will that show up in my signed messages?

Duffer1: otherwise seems pretty straight forward "you're going to lose money on this deal if you invest"

pankkake: I don't see the issue with the 6% - and keep in mind it's an USD bond

pankkake: but you basically address bitcoiners who want to sell, or outsiders, but why use bitcoin then?

pankkake: unless doing this kind of thing with fiat is forbidden (or hard)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.022 = 0.22 BTC [-] {3}

the20year: It would be moved to an exchange at some short point in teh future

the20year: You'll loose BTC if you invest and the value of BTC increases relative to USD

the20year: If said value goes down, you'll do quite well, at any rate you'll make interest in USD

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00092198 = 15.5354 BTC [+] {2}

Duffer1: i hear you man, i like what you're doing as a startup

the20year: And hopefully the swings would average out

the20year: But, that's a risk, the alternative is holding on to bitcoins hopefully appreciating in value over time

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00092248 = 16.4201 BTC [+] {2}

pankkake: but you wouldn't invest all your fortune in bitcoin - this seems like a nice fiat investment

pankkake: not a get rich quick one, so again, I wonder where you're going to get btc people to invest :p

the20year: Ukto and graet got $250k-$350k worth of bitcoins on their 12% loans

the20year: and anyone that paid attention realized they were cashing out to USD, and could never repay the BTC value

mircea_popescu: the20year you're not ukto and certainly not graet.

the20year: So, my question is whether or not I can attract people wanting a reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment

mircea_popescu: in people can get financed for any stupidity they wish to do. out people can not, no matter anything.

mircea_popescu: the practical solutions are either to be upset or to strive to in yourself.

pankkake: "reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment" => well, many people want that. but they are not bitcoiners :p

mircea_popescu: either can take a lifetime easily, either may just as well not deliver in the end.

pankkake: so, why would people use bitcoins, and not fiat directly?

the20year: Bitcoin marketplace is so hot and easy to access, fiat is much more difficult for me

the20year: My cost to IPO via bitfunder and get ~$100k of investment was $500

the20year: To take any investment in person from investors the traditiional way, i'd of spent $20k

pankkake: though you now have the "unregistered security" added risk

the20year: Even now , if I wanted to be mr legal eagle, I Could use said investment funds to pay for a PPM and get those same fiat investors, and my personal contribution to the whole ordeal is $500

the20year: Not exactly, part of our seed money was to hire a lawyer that knew what he was doing. Sure, we're on slightly risky legal ground, but he already has placed some options available should the SEC call us

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092376 = 6.7434 BTC [+]

pankkake: I guess it also allows someone with mainly non-USD fiat to easily invest, too

the20year: Correct, and i'd venture to say before the BF troubles, 95%+ of our investors were outside the US , in risky countries that have a hard time investing

mircea_popescu: Subject: #Notice of appearance in court Order 8389

mircea_popescu: From: "Notice to Appear" <support_888@bakerbotts.com>

mircea_popescu: spammers are getting daring these days

mircea_popescu: "Hereby you are informed that you are due in the court of Houston on the 14 of January, 2014 at 10:00 am for the hearing of your case."

Duffer1: sounds like an accurate "come visit Houston" commercial

mircea_popescu: right, except it attaches the same dumbass windows-only zip file that's been hitting all the honeypots this past coupla months

mircea_popescu: some kid with a coupla grand decided he's gonna get himself rich online

mircea_popescu: with nothing but faith and this here old pair of underwear.

truffles: everyone with charm should have a crack at fiat :d

Duffer1: it totally won't steal your wallet or anything

mircea_popescu: i'm with truffles (0.0) in that yeah

truffles: everyone isnt charming though, its a skill imo

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.000094 = 1.88 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00306 = 0.6885 BTC [-]