mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not really, i mean they're conglomerated but separate.
benkay: well, it's no surprise really - people don't understand even market capitalization.
benkay: Apocalyptic: the market maker not quoting prices is not anywhere near similar to the exchange going down.
Apocalyptic: I just pointed out that in this specific case MPEX and MPOE are somehow closely related, so it may be relevant to point it out if done correctly
benkay: hey we have quotes on options again!
benkay: too late for the unfortunate article :(
Vexual: rushed for the china bank news no doubt
pankkake: well he meant that MPEx was unreliable basically. having the quotes back doesn't change that
mircea_popescu: well... the bot not quoting has little to do with mpex's reliability.
benkay: bringing some light to that "somehow" is the sort of thing one'd expect a 'journalist' to do.
benkay: you missed the sarcasm in the smiley.
mircea_popescu: well... the bot isn't particularly intended to be reliable.
benkay: senior editor can't distinguish market maker from market operator.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079292 = 14.8276 BTC [+]
Vexual: calls are riskier, so he stuck to looking at puts.
Vexual: now that would have been some gritty investigative journalism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00299499 = 0.2516 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i thought google was backed by the fact that they know everything about our private lives
pankkake: I wonder if there are futures for data storage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 80 @ 0.0077 = 0.616 BTC
benkay: google is fiat currency
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
benkay: future for delivery of 100tb
pankkake: I have about 50tb of raw storage at home! not The Google yet, but nice
Vexual: thats a lot of blank dvds
pankkake: my worst fear would be magnets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02888997 = 0.5489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02888998 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02899998 = 0.116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.029 = 0.464 BTC [+]
nubbins`: pankkake you guys must have some cool zig-zags over there hey?
ozbot: Zig-Zag (company) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00317074 = 0.2854 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: Ouya now accepts Bitcoin payments (update) | Polygon
nubbins`: it does, however, go to bed at a more reasonable hour
ThickAsThieves: from the comments: "Next, Ouya starts accepting canned goods and other non perishable food items."
nubbins`: i guess that guy's hot sauce won't cut it, then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8690 @ 0.00079274 = 6.8889 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16441 @ 0.00079024 = 12.9923 BTC [-]
ozbot: World’s Deadliest Drug: Photos and Video Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse - LightBox
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1065.005, Best ask: 1073.98999, Bid-ask spread: 8.98499, Last trade: 1073.98999, 24 hour volume: 57435.83831195, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1062.0459
jamespeerless: seems like bit bet's method of calculating winnings is kind of flawed? it lends itself to horrible odds.. why would someone risk 1BTC to receive like .001 btc.. shouldn't they try to match bets of the same fixed odds and just return leftover amounts?
pankkake: perhaps you're looking at a bet that is soon to be ending?
Duffer1: it's not a booky site, just straight up bets
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: You could make a bookie sort of site like that which trades and hedges on BitBet...
jamespeerless: i guess even disregarding the weight factor, if there's only .01BTC available on one option and you want to bet like 3BTC on the other side.. you are risking 3BTC to win the .01
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02959996 = 0.2664 BTC [+]
jamespeerless: i guess you'd be dumb to bet 3btc in that scenario then :P
pankkake: yeah, it's annoying. so I wait for someone to bet, but someone might be doing the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.029 = 0.464 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02309999 = 0.1155 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00299483 = 0.4971 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: As long as your large BitBet bets are large enough to make the other side of the bet seem appealing, generally I've noticed the money to match generally shows up.
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: It also helps when you put the money down earlier in the bet, especially when it is a bet where either side could happen
jamespeerless: yeah gives you better odds and bigger winnings once the other money shows up
BingoBoingo: jamespeerless: Definitely, but you have to watch bitbet for these bets as they occur so money that opposes you can also cone in on favorable weight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 319 @ 0.00316971 = 1.0111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00315 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33781999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23268 @ 0.0007892 = 18.3631 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33951502 = 0.679 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: one can also bet on BOTH SIDES ZOMG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34000001 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1028.15001, Best ask: 1029.99999, Bid-ask spread: 1.84998, Last trade: 1030.0, 24 hour volume: 58609.48103979, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1053.94335
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: fnord
nubbins`: "While the bitcoin price is high ($40+) it is a great time to invest in hardware, as we are getting the most out of our coin."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: sounds like everyone involved really did their due diligence
Duffer1: "they" are for sure, the customers... not so much
nubbins`: running mascara or it doesn't count
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: it's almost enough to make a kid turn scammer
nubbins`: ah, but does he have a webcam?
nubbins`: call me when there's something to watch ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1904 @ 0.000105 = 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.1498999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: hey kakobrekla what's the bitcoin forex hedge fund called?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Are you sure his mouth is even clean enough to suck cocks? With all the the scam in there he might not have room...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05025001 = 0.3518 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.05025001 = 0.2513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo you know he did find space for whatever inaba is packing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.05025001 = 0.1508 BTC [-]
benkay: ThickAsThieves: setting up a panacea PT yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05025 = 0.1005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well Inaba is also full of scam as well. When scam prevents adequate blood flow of course Inaba will only be able to offer Garr a limp and flexible member.
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 37 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <unbalanced> *Part Tops = what drunk people call Pop Tarts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33789999 = 0.6758 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 1040.03522, vol: 58949.60700610 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 980.4, vol: 59279.49481105 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 960.0, vol: 58177.97009 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 986.99, vol: 11114.25670693 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 987.37, vol: 356.96774261 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1002.7229, vol: 123607.91300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 996.977492472
ozbot: 707408283.05150 | Next Diff in 879 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.6255% in 4d 17h 18m 26s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.34010001 = 0.6802 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3378 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, that's what I've been pricing alphastations for...
benkay: what, lisp in general or the whole symbolics compu-archaeology?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33799999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Just writing a blogging web ap for myself that I can confirm isn't running on x86
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
BingoBoingo: benkay: But also doing it on beefy enough hardware to just work
benkay: sounds like something i'd do if i weren't busy acquring every btc in price
mike_c: you accounting for the 0.1 lot size?
benkay: trying to, and acquiring
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've also been thinking about an Alpha+BSD+GNUGuille stack
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1046.96724, Best ask: 1052.97, Bid-ask spread: 6.00276, Last trade: 1046.0, 24 hour volume: 58953.24632437, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1238.0, 24 hour vwap: 1052.78918
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks. I'm still in the reading, research, and playing with languages stage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I used to be fond of Sun Hardware, but a lot of flaws seem to come out of SPARC systems.
ozbot: O.USD.P110T last @0.00000000
mike_c: price is half there what it is on the homepage
BingoBoingo: mike_c: The problem is that over time bugs become deatures
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33779999 = 0.6756 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Maybe the bot knows something you don't?
mike_c: er. homepage says 0.01, put page says 0.05. that's a bug :)
mike_c: derp. i was looking at sell on the put page.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: either that or where it's getting it's average isn't available to us
thestringpuller: nanotube: you should really fix the ;;bc,24hprc when you get the chance
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
mike_c: why misquoting? It's willing to buy the put at .0104, and that is basically intrinsic value.
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of IRC is the logs basically compile a reading list.
mike_c: ;;calc ((110 - 99.6) / 99.6) * 0.1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well as I view things I do more regularly (betting valuations in SAGE mostly) I generally thing of my self as a scripter more than a person who programs. I think I'm going to have fun with the PIC
BingoBoingo: Well asciilifeform Looks like I have a project nao, thanks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any particular FPGA toolchains worth leaning or do they get replaced too soon.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00314994 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00313504 = 0.2006 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: micros are great, i made a MIDI clock signal generator some years ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00313513 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 28 @ 0.0077 = 0.2156 BTC
BingoBoingo: Cool, In about 15 years I might finally be a programmer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 22 @ 0.0077 = 0.1694 BTC
BingoBoingo: All I want for Christmas nao is the ability to make a light blink.
nanotube: thestringpuller: ah yes, so i should thanks for the ping. looks like bitcoincharts changed urls on me.
benkay: hey what do you call a snuggie worn backwards?
nubbins`: unfortunately, a backwards bathrobe gets all up in your throat
gribble: unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <unbalanced> *Part Tops = what drunk people call Pop Tarts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC
nubbins`: could also be used to hold popcorn
ozbot: Every War On Drugs Myth Thoroughly Destroyed By A Retired Police Captain
nubbins`: waited til he retired, -1, ACAB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00290109 = 0.8674 BTC [-] {7}
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: ACAB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 133 @ 0.0077 = 1.0241 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0028902 = 0.4913 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Kleek: who the fuck wants to watch an upworthy video?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 70 @ 0.0077 = 0.539 BTC
ozbot: homicide da union - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Seriously, Youtube, have they even hear of OPSEC?
nubbins`: 7 ways this crazy police chief dismantled the war on drugs!
nubbins`: this police chief retired... you won't believe what he said next!
nubbins`: this gun is full of bullets, watch me hold it to my head and pull the trigger!
nubbins`: seriously though, try to imagine something more cowardly than waiting until you retire to reveal that you knew your job was a crock of shit
nubbins`: watch this retired police captain masturbate in your face, just as he has for the past 35 years
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 19 @ 0.0077 = 0.1463 BTC
KRS|gotyawallet: nubbins` i met some old dude like that the other night..from the moment i met him he seemed like a flake..i couldnt imagine a life like that.
benkay: upworthy. always derpful linkbait.
ozbot: RCMP head Bob Paulson supports DNA collection on arrest - Politics - CBC News
nubbins`: cops, great champions of justice
nubbins`: certainly the police wouldn't abuse this new power
nubbins`: certainly they wouldn't harvest dna from every single person at every political protest, starting the moment these new powers were granted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02959995 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.0029899 = 0.583 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0029899 = 0.2302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00078636 = 15.1767 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1045.71239, Best ask: 1053.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.28761, Last trade: 1045.71239, 24 hour volume: 59162.14677524, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1226.0, 24 hour vwap: 1049.52239
KRS|gotyawallet: Colleagues, is there such a thing as a continual throttled dump of sale of btc into the buys?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33789999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34010001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34020001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33779999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34030001 BTC [+]
youknowwhoiamand: —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) mQINBFFGg7oBEADSzyOH2sVbcVhvRXFg2k7HuS9Z0w1KLVRfuYxRTz38m71CUScn 5FWnIn+p0KSY6V8idluT0+7hyn8XId0S+i1JLKUi3kl4WjkLx5EkWisQF6noEloF fMUXwpd8dguRkydNdiAIBb3Ghw6ItGEVr0O22KAQR8O9pPx2UIouO+Z6SeBmzJYC i+TJPce60PZ77OqVN3w2m8RYsgZrRjB8F8dKwW1niTsZ6ZUzac3QFJIKMng7r8+X q7ZqgwKMjpoRmeL5Hctwag0yMURNSoXP7rU5bdC8bDT6NIOImWK1+08DH6Vq8JCU 8e2Zakct3P8sjAAQyx
BingoBoingo: youknowwhoiamand: Really? that isn;t a whole public key
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He aign't got the privates. Think of this a a way of hailing
BingoBoingo: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f2fc991490457cde3962ebe7fad562a9fb77854ea305aa08e2be6603
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00078876 = 8.8341 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3350004 = 1.675 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.33239521 = 4.3211 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Nick 'r3wt', with hostmask 'r3wt!add8887f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.136.127', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.33133963 = 3.3134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.33100001 = 0.993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.33100001 = 0.662 BTC [-]
dub: who is that and why are they here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29233 @ 0.00079107 = 23.1253 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: This Whole Bitcoin Thing Could Be Big, Says Bank of America - Slashdot
KRS|gotyawallet: [sic] Bank of America "frowns at the possibility that regulators could step in and increase transaction costs.".
KRS|gotyawallet: lmao how could regulators do that? at the fiat exchange level?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00299421 = 0.3324 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.0029949 = 0.59 BTC [+]
zacm: regulators making things ireggular, as always
zacm: bank of america can buy as much btc as they like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: all this f'n talk about bitcoin being worth $1300 is gonna fuck us for awhile.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16307 @ 0.00078805 = 12.8507 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: why would anyone actually think their valuation is relevant ?
Apocalyptic: because analysts are so accurate at evaluating stocks... let alone a technology that they can't really grasp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 993 @ 0.00079086 = 0.7853 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: we havent even scratched the surface of what btc can do and with that will come an increase of value
KRS|gotyawallet: [im speculating] we could look back at this someday and say "I can't believe we used to own and move entire units of btc around.".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: KRS|gotyawallet, you're concerned by the size ?
jurov_: KRS|gotyawallet: I don't know what is worrying about the blockchain.
KRS|gotyawallet: i rly dont care about the size, i just care that its managable.
jurov_: I built dedicated miniitx machine with celeron 837 and spare 300GB HDD
jurov_: ant it runs fine both bitcoind and litecoind atand other stuff
KRS|gotyawallet: im just sayin i was thinking that the block chain could become unwieldy over time/growth..i admit i dont know a lot about it, but we haven't got to this size and usage yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00299633 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 45 @ 0.05000024 = 2.25 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00299799 = 0.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.0077 = 0.2618 BTC
KRS|gotyawallet: Marc Faber, editor and publisher of The Gloom, Boom & Doom Report, told CNBC on Friday he believes a "massive speculative bubble" has encroached on everything from stocks and bonds to alternative currency bitcoin and farmland. He attributed the vast bubble to "symptoms of excess liquidity
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm thinking if there are that many bubbles forming and btc crashes instead of rallys, gold and silver is going to pluto.
KRS|gotyawallet: throw in agriculture, land plus stocks and bond securities and you have the perfect storm
KRS|gotyawallet: game over, anyone who wasnt smart by taking profits is broke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00078376 = 9.7578 BTC [-]
KRS|gotyawallet: and if bitcoin rallys hell, I'll have a chair on the MPEX too.
KRS|gotyawallet: gl to all those who invested in zero coin or what the fuck
KRS|gotyawallet: Faber also referred to the rapid rise of bitcoin, the digital currency that crossed $1,200 early Friday, as an area affected by excess liquidity.
twizt: mrkts are messed up...
twizt: the trade in the future is all about massive borrowing and investing proceeds into equities
twizt: but its not gonna work...
twizt: cuz they kept rates low and rallied stocks at same time
twizt: the trade happened b4 rates started rising
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.33033334 = 1.982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.33 = 13.2 BTC [-] {4}
jurov`: after the huge "easing", what else did they expect?
jurov`: "excess liquidity" oh my
pankkake: how is that "liquidity" going to bitcoin buyers?
pankkake: unless banks are now buying bitcoins
jurov`: the newly "minted" usd inevitably leaks off banks
pankkake: well not in my pockets at least :/
twizt: too much free money
twizt: if ur a good creditworthy person (ie didnt get suckered into real estate investing pre collapse)
twizt: you can basically get any loan u want
jurov`: pankkake: if you sold any btc recently, then in fact, it did
twizt: yea like decent loans too with decent terms
twizt: just everyone else cant lol
pankkake: including a state 0% loan. I could have had two, but missed it due to bureaucracy (and now it doesn't exist)
pankkake: but at a point you could get about 40k€ 0% loan for real estate
pankkake: and my bank loan has pretty much no conditions
twizt: shit man i wish i could get a loan
twizt: been unemployed since april, sucks so much
pankkake: I lost my job a few months after taking the loan
pankkake: though unemployement really doesn't exist in my branch
pankkake: but I was really surprised by how easy it was to get it
twizt: and ive been trying.. keep getting told im overqualified
pankkake: I hear it's harder to get loans now (in France), but still
twizt: i apply to jobs where i meet the 2 year experience mark.. still overqualified
pankkake: never understood that overqualified thing. must be another reason
twizt: was willing to take pay cut etc.
twizt: but i wouldnt do that
pankkake: that's what I got in some interviews, prove us you will stay with us
twizt: check this, i went to interview for a job right (finance/accounting), hiring manager saw that I could code
twizt: referred me to another job
twizt: within same company
twizt: i go for that job, talk to the SVP who tells me they'll create a hybrid finance/tech job for me
twizt: then tell me over overqualified.. for the job they said they would create for me
twizt: what kind of shit is that
twizt: and i cant compete with candidates with degrees in compsci
twizt: i could code, and figure stuff out to get things working.. but cant recite stuff off the top of my head
pankkake: eh, many small companies don't really care about diplomas (at least those where I worked)
pankkake: show that you can create something and you're better than 99%
twizt: yea but u know compsci jobs are gonna have compsci kids applying
twizt: i had a interview yesterday, and another one in 3 hrs
twizt: crossing my fingers
jurov`: twizt, we need writers, traders, anyone.. not just compsci
twizt: jurov`: well i was a risk analyst.developer at my last gig
twizt: was the leash to traders
twizt: so the programming helped
twizt: charge of wires, cash transfers, margin monitoring, etc.
jurov`: why not throw the cv in here?
twizt: just broadcast CV to random peeps?
twizt: i wanna kno what im applying to first!
jurov`: risk analysis indeed :D
twizt: u might google me and find out im really sexy and start stalking me too
jurov`: we're past that point, i'm talking to you already
twizt: realize what exactly o_O
jurov`: oh you wrote stalking, i read talking
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jurov`: i can keep tabs on you too, no problem ;)
twizt: i cant wait to get a job
twizt: im gonna pour money into my sauce man
twizt: and be a sauce millionaire lol
jurov`: pretty unsanitary, if you ask me
twizt: there's jobs, but usually goes to family members
twizt: that was metro north man
twizt: derailed in the bronx
KRS|gotyawallet: I'm down for whatever, although I made plans since 01 november to take the rest of the year off.
jurov`: my first "startup" was simpleshell.com
jurov`: if anyone could take it over, would be glad
jurov`: have many other ideas, too
KRS|gotyawallet: nice, does this fully pipe out too? to other web sessions? devices?
jurov`: dont think you have the permissions
jurov`: but if you can annoy aws staff by shrieking souds, by all means do it
jurov`: try researching if it's real ;)
KRS|gotyawallet: did you hear that researchers have found a way to look outside of a vm, like a vmware virtual machine for instance
jurov`: that's why it's limited to 15min.. would not be so easy to upkeep otherwise
KRS|gotyawallet: not sure if they patched it, but it read as a huge problem, because vmware shares memory, you can grab the memory contents of other machines and even the host
jurov`: so far it was not haacked , only some dos
KRS|gotyawallet: i wish i had more time, if theres a compiler and a text editor i could start doing funny stuff
jurov`: anyway, if you can break outside of aws container, i'm interested
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1058 @ 0.00300122 = 3.1753 BTC [+] {4}
jurov`: i can extend you session if you want
mircea_popescu: the funny part is, back when the center was in the west, it'd have been london, or ny.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1078 @ 0.00301626 = 3.2515 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr "o hey there you are. i had a nightmare. you and inaba were taking me to the urologist."
jurov`: KRS|gotyawallet:basically i think if you add btc/ltc payments, it can make something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4409 @ 0.00301993 = 13.3149 BTC [+] {6}
jurov`: ]currently it's like $10/mo from the ads
jurov`: but of course, stakes get higher from permanent shell access
jurov`: it's mounted nosuid anyway :P
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 5B before June
jurov`: to me? dunno, i made even burnside apologize publicly
jurov`: burnside was trolling coinbr on trolltalk
jurov`: some year ago. i just just politely replied and waited for him to repent
jurov`: so much for social engineering
jurov`: oh and you can actually get the pw. if you promise to take it somewhere
jurov`: maybe even IPO on havelock :DDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.003014 = 0.1808 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Fifty thousand people signed up online for New Jersey’s gambling sites in the first week. That compares with 741 who signed up for Obamacare during all of October.
mircea_popescu: apparently just-dice is siolid competition for new york.
jurov`: dunno, there are throngs hosting providers.. offering a shell you can do stuff in immediately it's better imo
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet there's certainly a market, asciilifeform long wanted a host, i asked namworld for a price like a month ago, still waiting.
jurov`: no messing up with installation, searching the right packages
jurov`: the us contractor just recommended me to use niggas.txt next time :D
mircea_popescu: you've done your part reclaiming that unfortunate word, ThickAsThieves wouild be proud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: this term leaks other people's IP addresses..i'm thinking ThickAsThieves recently logged in
jurov`: i was actually thinking to publish the IP via ident
jurov`: cuz i had it running here at home for few years and got banned from freenode :D
jurov`: i just banned irc ports instead
KRS|gotyawallet: might not want it to be persisent, each time a user comes in this stuff should be sanitized
jurov`: yes that's the idea, everything included... but SYNs are rate limited
KRS|gotyawallet: ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
KRS|gotyawallet: ThickAsThieves HAH!! You better buy on your call options, time is quickly approaching. I'd like in on that too-
KRS|gotyawallet: 16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - You write a 2013 $100,000 call option to your bitcoins, so that I can buy them from you anytime, by just sending you $10 million U.S. Dollars
KRS|gotyawallet: 16:06:35 ThickAsThieves: - If I do not redeem your bitcoins before 31. December 2013, you get my 1 bitcoin as I lose the bet
jurov`: KRS, so lame.. hire pankkake instead
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov`: i was thinking you want to social engineer TAT
ThickAsThieves: you cant social engineer me but there are surely enough tidbits in that log to sort out who i am
KRS|gotyawallet: You can't be social engineered but you sure as hell can be smurfed or hacked.
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <chaang-noi> ch0000 ch0000!
gribble: bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 32 weeks, 3 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <bowjob> lol
KRS|gotyawallet: Santa Cruz Operations had a solid future if they didnt let opportunity pass them by.
pankkake: I'm in here without any protection
KRS|gotyawallet: you know you cant dangle something like this in front of me..i'll get lost in here for hours
jurov`: that was exactly the intent
KRS|gotyawallet: nice when i look to see who's logged in, I'm not even logged in..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.00302 = 3.926 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: i have gathered some notes and know a few things about this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00302 = 0.4228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
ozbot: How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 455 @ 0.00291699 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: we provided most of that guys research in this channel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 542 @ 0.00289061 = 1.5667 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 35 @ 0.0077 = 0.2695 BTC
jurov`: why he does insist on getting long with majority of the btc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00314499 = 0.1352 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00291 = 1.455 BTC [+]
oleganza: I had an idea recently about idiot-proof Bitcoin vault
oleganza: you move money to P2SH multisig scripts and the pubkeys are owned by your friends
oleganza: since it's P2SH they don't know where your money is, good for privacy
oleganza: also you can have 20 separate transactions, so when you redeem one, you do not expose all your money
oleganza: to be idiot-proof, the wallet app should also allow distributed backup. In case you lose your password, you your own backup.
oleganza: in other words, underlying script (which is hashed into P2SH address) should be backed up somewhere
davout: oleganza: you'd still be able to somewhat link it to txes up the chain, especially if they all look similar in the way they all spend to P2SH
oleganza: so: backing up the wallet on some 3rd party service does not solve a problem of forgotten key
oleganza: ultimately, it's your friends who can trust you to give you back the back up
oleganza: so the idea is to send the actual scripts for P2SH to the same friends who own the keys
pankkake: well, you trust that your friends won't betray you all at once
oleganza: and you don't need to remember a password. You just go to them
oleganza: but to preserve privacy, they should not know the script contents
oleganza: otherwise they will find out how much money you have
oleganza: so i want to mask some pubkeys from the script
pankkake: can be done with many X-of-Y backup systems too
oleganza: essentially it is x-of-y backup system, but without passwords
oleganza: because i'm trying to solve a problem "I saved $1M 5 years ago"
oleganza: "and now i don't remember my password"
davout: how is it different from shamir's scheme ?
davout: unlock arbitrary data with N out of M secrets
oleganza: shamir's scheme generates all numbers in one place
oleganza: here i need all pubkeys to be created in different places
oleganza: and never have all keys in one machine
oleganza: so i can have strong security promise "even if machine is compromised, it can't do something you don't want"
oleganza: assuming you didn't lost all money before making P2SH transfer
oleganza: so you can use your shitty windows all day long
davout: so multisig could do the trick, except for the privacy concerns, right?
oleganza: privacy is easy: you don't show people your script
oleganza: they cannnot find your p2sh hash on the chain using their pubkeys
oleganza: but i want to backup the script with the same people
oleganza: so i want to give them masked scripts
oleganza: if the script is 3 pubkeys, then in 2-of-3 scheme, 1 pubkey will be masked
oleganza: so you will see "* B C", another guy will see "A * C" and third guy will have "A B *"
oleganza: this will prevent you from finding p2sh transaction on blockchain
oleganza: and still, i can get these portions from m-of-n people and get my original script, even if I lose all backups myself
davout: oleganza: if you manage to find the holy grail of perfect security and perfect usability you're my new god
oleganza: with a proper UI (which is the whole point), my mom can have some shitty password on her wallet and move money like that to 5 of her children. She can't be robbed and her privacy is good enough
nubbins`: at the risk of sounding silly, why not just make a multi-part rar, create some .par files, and distribute those to friends?
nubbins`: ah, nm, don't think i fully read what you guys were discussing
oleganza: multi-part RAR might work as well
oleganza: the big problem is how to send all this stuff from the app
oleganza: so it's easy to use and always works
nubbins`: well, should be trivial to create rars and pars
nubbins`: so you create a 5-part rar and 4 pars, distribute 1 par to each of 4 friends, then delete 1 or more rars from your collection
nubbins`: delete 1, then any 1 friend can complete it
nubbins`: delete 3, then you need 3 friends
oleganza: people can generate keys in their apps like yours
oleganza: you can verify that the key is good by checking on phone (to ensure against man in the middle attack)
nubbins`: PARs would be tiny for something like this, a few tens of kb max
oleganza: you add those in your addressbook (built-in the app)
nubbins`: "hey bro do an md5 on that par i sent you, should start with abc and end with xyz"
pankkake: everyone's checking only the start and end
oleganza: then inside the app you create a multisig transaction and choose people and their keys.
nubbins`: realistically you can rattle the whole thing off
pankkake: I think some attacks were demonstrated
nubbins`: ah, would be curious to see that
oleganza: now your wallet must send to all these people partial backup of this transaction.
oleganza: simplest way is to go through my server (me == developer of the app), but the backup needs to be authenticated at least
nubbins`: slim odds that someone would MITM your email and modify your attachment maliciously in such a way that the beginning and end 3-4 chars of the md5 hash were the same
oleganza: and the wallet apps are sitting behind awful firewalls and all this shit
oleganza: so i don't want too much p2p headache
oleganza: nubbins`: so the problem ends with establishing authentication pubkey in the first place
oleganza: and then signing all interacting with that key
oleganza: e.g. the guy sends me his key and on the phone verifies half of the bytes
oleganza: then it's in my wallet addressbook and app can automatically do the rest through my server, or p2p, or whatever
nubbins`: sorry man, it's too early for me to be wrapping my head around this
nubbins`: if it's a pubkey, why secure it at all?
nubbins`: what's someone gonna do with it?
oleganza: pubkey identifying your friend can be MITMed
oleganza: and your p2sh script is a list of pubkeys from all your N friends. This better be kept secret from them so they don't know where's your money
nubbins`: pubkey posters on telephone poles
oleganza: idea: a friend sends you his pubkey
oleganza: you import it under his name in your addressbook
oleganza: addressbook chooses perfectly randomly some internal 4 bytes and asks you to verify them with your friend
oleganza: fairly good protection against MITM
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As an S.NSA product? Printed by nubbins?
nubbins`: newsprint is cheap, i could push out a rag every so often for minimal cost
nubbins`: which of you guys lives in MD?
oleganza: NSA may listen every email, but less likely to MITM you specifically
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder why are they still calling it a bubble?
thestringpuller: On top of all that, this isn't like trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Midday Wednesday, MPEx appeared to shut down, and the prices of the contracts disappeared. I was told this happens a lot. As of early Thursday, the exchange still wasn't listing prices. What's more, after running through my math of the trade with a Coinbr broker in a chat room, with the conclusion that basically the trade doesn't make sen
nubbins`: pretty scathing media appearance
nubbins`: 's what you get for talking to reporters ;p
pankkake: well talking to journalists is exactly like talking to cops
pankkake: everything you say may and will be used against you
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mircea_popescu: oleganza this sounds like making it more idiot vulnerable.
nubbins`: putting a password on your wallet makes it more idiot vulnerable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` basically if i told the guy "fuck you, you uninformed, intellectually lazy piece of scum" in response to his first email
mircea_popescu: so basically the moral here is, you can say exactly anything you wish
jcpham: i think an unencrypted wallet.dat on your normal windows users' computer is like hanging a neon sign in your car asking people to steal it
mircea_popescu: there still exist unencrypted wallets in the wiold ?!@
oleganza: mircea_popescu: what's the problem here? How my mom recovers forgotten password?
mircea_popescu: oleganza idiot sends his pw and his backup to the same frined
oleganza: conjecture: people are not idiots, they simply not experts and real experts did not give them proper tools and methodology yet
mircea_popescu: oleganza so basically you're not solving an actual problem, you're drawing.
oleganza: today investing in BTC for a non-CS guru is a major security problem
mircea_popescu: "investing" by unprofessionals is and will remain a major security risk.
mircea_popescu: this is not something that can be changed by technology.
nubbins`: oleg just stands up and walks out of the office
oleganza: i know a lot of mac people who couldn't use git or any UI on top of git until I created Gitbox
oleganza: UI expands possibilities if done right. Otherwise it's always "git is only for experts"
oleganza: in fact, they are. Where git allows you to fuck up things, my UI prevents these issues
oleganza: so if you are not an expert, you don't need to go to ask one for help
mircea_popescu: that may be, but we were discussing idiot proofing the wallet by a share to friends scheme.
mircea_popescu: this may offer w/e ui benefits, i can't discuss that in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: from a security viewpoint, however, it does not idiot proof anything.
ozbot: Nelson Mandela Becomes First Politician To Be Missed | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
KRS|gotyawallet: what the fuck are these people saying on #bitcoin-pricetalk "its all over"
nubbins`: “Today we lost not only an international hero and a symbol of the resilient human spirit, but also the very first political figure ever who people actively wish was still alive and affecting world affairs,” said political historian Wallace M. Delaney
mircea_popescu: get out of here, people wished hitler was still alive in 1945
mircea_popescu: KRS|gotyawallet yes, a new chan was created a pparently, named -pricetalk
nubbins`: maybe the only canadian politician i've ever had respect for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32825 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: personally, i wish caesar were still alive and affecting world affairs.
mircea_popescu: you know, the one guy who perhaps could claim the first on that score.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.31851673 = 5.4148 BTC [-] {8}
oleganza: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate what's wrong with m-of-n sharing of keys with friends?
nubbins`: honestly kinda forgot about the onion
ozbot: Generous Military Sends $800 In Disability To Man Who Wakes Up Screaming Every Night | The Onion - A
mircea_popescu: oleganza that the idiot is going to share all the keys with the same friend.
mircea_popescu: your scheme relies on the idiot comprehending m-of-n, which is a higher bar than comprehending "this is your wallet file, keep it safe"
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nubbins`: the idiot doesn't need to comprehend anything beyond "keep this safe", but if he doesn't comprehend it, it's just as likely to grow wings and fly away
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 994.5, Best ask: 1000.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.50000, Last trade: 994.5, 24 hour volume: 22039.35832478, 24 hour low: 994.5, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1071.32021
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps difficult to distinguish the man (who makes his time) from the time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6116 @ 0.00078466 = 4.799 BTC [+]
nubbins`: asciilifeform: trudeau is as close as canada got to a fuhrer
pankkake: at least this gives bitcoin-central some volume
oleganza: mircea_popescu: the minimum assumption is that user is not idiot to share his password. Then the UI will guide hi through the process.
Apocalyptic: oleganza, are you talking about that bitrated site ?
pankkake: UIs cannot be enough, users need to understand what they are doing or they will fail as always
mircea_popescu: oleganza understand, i;m not saying this is bad. i am merely saying that "idiot proofing" is not its selling point.
oleganza: i'm talking about my idea of a wallet app that allows to keep your stash safe even if you or someone's computer is badly compromised later
mircea_popescu: yes, but you are thinking about it in a very narrow manner.
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mircea_popescu: consider the problem in its proper generality, as the byzantine problem.
oleganza: okay, i'll rephrase. It's a convenient way to strongly protect your stash even against yourself (getting a malware, forgetting password etc.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3109 = 1.2436 BTC [-]
nubbins`: KRS|gotyawallet: my understanding is that you're not allowed to touch them
nubbins`: so really you're just paying a bunch of strippers to do a shitty job of cleaning your house.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you have to understand when they say no it's maybe.
mircea_popescu: the no being there mostly for the benefit of the police.
oleganza: mircea_popescu: practically speaking, if you are being nice to people, they won't have huge incentive to figure out with whom you stored the keys and how much do you have
Diablo-D3: when the fuck did wizard become an insult?
oleganza: mircea_popescu: if you made everyone hate you, it's your problem
nubbins`: i'm sure if i flexed my muscular quads at them, they'd be mopping up pussy juice out of the rug for hours
oleganza: after all, they themselves have some stash
oleganza: and want to store it shared too with you and their friends
oleganza: and everyone wants to be nice to each other so they can redeem savings
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: okay, thats just awesome
nubbins`: Diablo-D3: i'm barely more than half that weight ;)
Diablo-D3: nubbins`: so you weigh about as much as I do then
nubbins`: i'm less intimidating than i was when i had a beard tho ;(
pankkake: well if I wanted to pay for someone to clean my house, I'd rather have been done by a half naked lady
nubbins`: "ew lol this place is disgusting"
nubbins`: and you sit in a chair, emasculated, wacthing a bunch of naked women lel at your life
nubbins`: i mean, if you even start to masturbate, they'll leave
nubbins`: that's just how i imagine it'd go
pankkake: the sad truth is that I like to clean, with few exceptions
nubbins`: i should hire you for the studio
nubbins`: keeping that place clean is a full-time job
pankkake: I once proposed to do it for free for anyone having a fancy vacuum cleaner
pankkake: (it *has* to be transparent at least)
nubbins`: we barely have need for a vacuum
nubbins`: if you were wondering, softwood is not appropriate for floors
pankkake: I have a floating floor that is very easy to clean, I barely use the vacuum cleaner anymore
pankkake: laminate flooring would be the correct term I think
nubbins`: imagine explaining to someone 100 years ago that in the future, floors will be made of plastic with photographs of wood on top
nubbins`: the only down side is that if it gets wet, it tends to swell at the seams
pankkake: there are some ugly/ridiculous ones. mine is grey so you it's mostly a nice pattern, not faking wood
pankkake: yes; the air is quite humid here too
mircea_popescu: oleganza "if you are being nice to people" that's the silliest thing i heard all day
mircea_popescu: people's incentive to steal from you is how much you got, not how nice you are.
nubbins`: in fact, nicer people get taken advantage of more often
oleganza: if you can't rely on yourself to keep your passwords safe and computers secure, then you can only rely on other
oleganza: you and me are not the same kind of people as our parents, for instance.
nubbins`: one great thing i saw in japan was sinks in the toilets
nubbins`: so you wash your hands with the water that then fills the tank
pankkake: I need that for mine, no sink in it
nubbins`: wash your hands while wiping your ass
pankkake: I wish I had a bidet! that really should be standard
nubbins`: first time i used a bidet was in a sink-toilet
nubbins`: couldn't figure out how to dry my asshole because it was all in japanese
nubbins`: ended up having to use a wad of paper :(
jurov`: oleganza, you can look at mycelium. it does export the wallet as PDF + password
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1990 @ 0.00301152 = 5.9929 BTC [+] {5}
jurov`: you can give the printed PDF to everyone and parts of password to each
jurov`: however, everyone knows the public address then.. but it's a start
pankkake: mircea_popescu: bidets are more common in older houses, but not really in appartments or new contructions
mircea_popescu: i recall back in 2012 this site which gave you printed sheets m-of-n, as manty as you wanted
oleganza: jurov`: i started by discussing how to do that split sharing but so that sensitive info is never in the same computer at once
mircea_popescu: pankkake that just shows how the french youth has decayed.
pankkake: they don't understand my love for bidets
pankkake: that would quickly prove the tragedy of commons
nubbins`: in korea, they have public toilets on the streets in some areas
nubbins`: you pay money to keep the door closed
nubbins`: timer runs out, door swings open
oleganza: asciilifeform: i mean, in m-of-n transaction, all private keys are on different computers
mircea_popescu: as far as i understand, m-of-n creates the m and n on the same m,achine, then distributes them
nubbins`: y'know, wikipedia articles on math are generally really good
oleganza: asciilifeform: so when you redeem stuff, you ask people to sign a particular piece of data instead of revealing their private keys
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
nubbins`: pankkake: is that a dual-flush button i see on top there?!
gribble: Current Blocks: 273424 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 888657408.965 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.62157
pankkake: perhaps. I have one but I don't think it works properly
pankkake: "I'm a CEO, not a chip designer. That's why I took advice from a professor."
mircea_popescu: "i'm a shopper, not a mathematician. this is why i can't use cash"
taub: btcchina api breaking down ugh
pankkake: actually, it's why I don't use cash, too annoying to count bills and coins
nubbins`: nothing worse than some asshole in front of you in line buying a cookie with debit
nubbins`: result being that i have a half pound of change in my pocket by the end of each day
nubbins`: but then those all go into a jar
nubbins`: and before you know it, you have thousands of dollars of change
pankkake: though I usually discard or give away the red coins
jurov`: i'm bit nervous when i *don't* have any coins
pankkake: (<=5cents for you non eurofags)
nubbins`: canada abandoned red coins earlier this year
jurov`: cuz usually then i need them to some vending machine
nubbins`: now you round to the 5 when paying cash
jurov`: but no use for the red ones, yeah
pankkake: that's actually smart. I've said many times I'd do it even if rounded up
nubbins`: well at this point it costs more than 1 cent to make a penny
pankkake: machines often don't want them anyway
taub: will you panic if we hit 450 today?
taub: that china ruling seems serious
taub: china has been the fuel of this run-up
taub: now new buyers aren't gonna come as fast
nubbins`: taub, as if 1.2 billion people could affect the price of btc ;0
taub: btcchina now probably pretty mad they didn't charge fees all this time
jurov`: i can wait. 2 days sold 0.4B for 320 euro, won't starve for some time.
pankkake: I'm filthy alright, missing the second part yet
nubbins`: you've gotta be at least grubby rich
bloctoc: taub Liberty Reserve shut down has been the fuel for this run up.
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 926.0, vol: 28357.88536441 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 872.0, vol: 28956.75818595 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 898.0, vol: 25743.23023 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 880.0, vol: 8744.8563949 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 857.77, vol: 296.84205889 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 925.572, vol: 56901.44100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 907.668942554
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1498899 = 0.2998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00291 = 0.4249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00289717 = 2.8972 BTC [-] {3}
TomServo: I recall you mentioning something similiar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3109 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1149 @ 0.00282543 = 3.2464 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30700131 = 1.228 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00312002 = 0.2028 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: There are currently 3391.5773 bitcoins demanded at or over 900.0 USD, worth 3087597.27043 USD in total. | Data vintage: 86.7293 seconds
gribble: There are currently 1412.6887 bitcoins offered at or under 990.0 USD, worth 1360727.09659 USD in total. | Data vintage: 99.4999 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 633 @ 0.0031008 = 1.9628 BTC [-] {11}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: whats a good long term satrellite solution?
pankkake: must be why satoshi hasn't spent his coins yet, he's waiting to buy a country
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.25 BTC
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 965.0, Best ask: 968.98999, Bid-ask spread: 3.98999, Last trade: 955.0, 24 hour volume: 33985.40703212, 24 hour low: 916.1, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1025.72874
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: TomServo for the past year or so he's been running around the margins trying to somehow become cool
pankkake: coindesk? worksforme with noscript
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends a lot of what you put on the cube too
mircea_popescu: that's about where it is, entry level sattelite is about 10cmc and about 1 watt.
mircea_popescu: some of the more interesting work in mechanical engineering is resolving the "optimal exposure" problem
mircea_popescu: i've seen a buncha stuff trying to emulate fern leaves etc
mircea_popescu: it's a seriously fascinating field, this, "given a 10cm cube, construct the best photovoltaic arrangement"
KRS|gotyawallet: i want to test my wallet can someone send me 1 btc and I will send it back
mircea_popescu: you can significantly improve that result by tgurning them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12145 @ 0.00078466 = 9.5297 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nobody wants a btc node in orbit, until it becomes a matter of land based isp's being assholes.
mircea_popescu: when that happens point ot point internet via wifi will be the workhorse and the mostly useless blockchain satellite will be the extended middle finger.
pankkake: there were talk about wifi drones
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 892.0, Best ask: 894.9, Bid-ask spread: 2.90000, Last trade: 892.0, 24 hour volume: 38738.52916725, 24 hour low: 890.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 1009.31176
gribble: MtGox lag is 101249.827561 seconds. During this time, light travels 202.903520783 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
gribble: There are currently 1000.6339 bitcoins demanded at or over 888.0 USD, worth 895306.123044 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.2233 seconds
gribble: There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.3074 seconds
gribble: There are currently 991.26164 bitcoins demanded at or over 889.0 USD, worth 886980.528795 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.9352 seconds
pankkake: they must be hosted on a remote satellite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14989 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: after this China ban i wonder if Gox will have even more trouble getting fiat to people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04845 = 0.3876 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1239 @ 0.00009989 = 0.1238 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09155011 = 0.1831 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: MtGox lag is 532.686634 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.06749805028 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).
Bugpowder: I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the reddit sentiment index is trending down
gribble: There are currently 3268.1678 bitcoins demanded at or over 828.0 USD, worth 2809609.80831 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1444 seconds
gribble: There are currently 18180.459 bitcoins demanded at or over 500.0 USD, worth 12742561.8573 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.5359 seconds
gribble: A market order to sell 500 bitcoins right now would net 436894.5383 USD and would take the last price down to 872.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 873.7891 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 41.6458 seconds
Bugpowder: there is a 4k+ sell order going off right now on trading.i286
Bugpowder: will the gox circuitbreakers trip again?
gribble: MtGox lag is 860.583437 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.72459957218 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mars (1.52 AU).
Bugpowder: yeah looks like the circuit breaker tripped and its just cycling the same sell order over again and again.
mircea_popescu: "gox is trading on fake btc. gox proves this every year."
Bugpowder: why not fix the problem after it happend last week?
KRS|gotyawallet: to be fair didnt they receive significant attacks at those times
mod6: thestringpuller: this fuck is so uninformed << wasn't it the stephengandel guy who stopped in here a few days ago who wrote that article?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11279999 BTC [+]
KRS|gotyawallet: Its rice until 03Q14 for them..no BEEF. NO POHK. NO SHREEMP!
KRS|gotyawallet: i'd like to get my account in there somehow [balance] = [balance]++
ozbot: Mt.Gox BTC/USD Charts - BitcoinWisdom
dub: idk why its such a surprise every time gox does this
smidge: volume exceeds april crash by far
gribble: MtGox lag is 2791.205394 seconds. During this time, light travels 5.59354435768 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: Gox should just submit a trouble ticket to their support department..duh.
jurov`: i'm still unverified at b-c
pankkake: at least there is no risk of lag
gribble: MtGox lag is 3056.857142 seconds. During this time, light travels 6.12590748629 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Jupiter (5.2 AU).
Bugpowder: @zerohedge 4m NYSE declares self help against Mt. Gox
Bugpowder: I guess he missed the announcement yesterday?
jurov`: lol mtgoxlive literally out of the window
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30800266 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0028997 = 0.8699 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3851 @ 0.00273821 = 10.5448 BTC [-] {18}
pankkake: well I fail at exploiting b-c. too bad, those trades jumping 40-60€ are juicy
twizt: crazy volume going thru
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16182 @ 0.00078592 = 12.7178 BTC [+]
twizt: so where is this gonna end lol
twizt: with an hour delay
gribble: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 39 seconds
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
nubbins`: okay, so i just bought a sufjan stevens record
nubbins`: my favourite album so far -- seven swans -- and i didn't even know it was available on vinyl
nubbins`: stumbled upon a reissue today!
nubbins`: yeah, wanna listen to it badly
nubbins`: but i'm gonna hold off and give it to my wife for xmas
nubbins`: yeah, i still haven't heard age of adz
mircea_popescu: this just in : mtgox server upgraded with wafflemaker!
nubbins`: queuing it up right now on youchube
gribble: MtGox lag is 4772.813016 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.56466384499 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
thestringpuller: "mircea_popescu to be billionaire again by Christmas 2013"
nubbins`: he could divest himself on xmas eve
mircea_popescu: everyone is a billionaire eventually, but bitcoin people get tyo do it many times a week]
pankkake: can you be less than a trillionnaire ?
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: hints of Enjoy Your Rabbit in here
KRS|gotyawallet: I didnt know you all were so serious about bitcoin. I always figure it will meh.
nubbins`: not a fan, altho i've only given it a listen or two
KRS|gotyawallet: i was ecstatic when i realized i didnt have to work anymore
KRS|gotyawallet: i want to devote myself to an open source project but not sure what i want to put my weight behind
ThickAsThieves: <@SarahCoinBit> stolenNick: I'm pretty sure it's ddos. Our tech team have been woken up and are looking into it
thestringpuller: something something darkside something something complete?
KRS|gotyawallet: i just keep thinking something will happen and i will have to exit
nubbins`: if you're not sure what to do with your money, you can just become a patron of the arts
nubbins`: this is what rich people used to do
KRS|gotyawallet: then i hear how india ist getting on board, how countries in africa need this like oxygen
twizt: newb question alert, how come the time and sales dont match up to the bid/ask on clarkmoody?
thestringpuller: i was just kiddin' but that's awesome that it's an awesome
gribble: MtGox lag is 128509.613133 seconds. During this time, light travels 257.531825853 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
twizt: thestringpuller: ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: just imagine, you could give a free t-shirt with your face on it to each new mpex membership
gribble: MtGox lag is 1159908.20615 seconds. During this time, light travels 2324.44305814 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
twizt: so what should i trust lol
twizt: in terms of where the market is
pankkake: so how high is this goxlag going to be?
thestringpuller: unless you wanna send in market orders and have faith in the bitcoin gods
twizt: so wheres the market lol
twizt: how can there be trans below the limits
KRS|gotyawallet: on one hand i'm almost thinking double-digits but then bam
twizt: most likelyt going back to $1k tho
thestringpuller: twizt: during the april crash there was such bad lag, that you could literally send in limit orders at any price between the spread and cross your figners it found a match and executed
twizt: on both sides right
twizt: yea ive done that in futures markets too
thestringpuller: so I would just wait it out unless you wanna try your luck against the lag
twizt: during news and all the algos back off
gribble: MtGox lag is 8648.059356 seconds. During this time, light travels 17.3306141209 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Uranus (19.18 AU).
gribble: MtGox lag is 3926249.2314 seconds. During this time, light travels 7868.15949925 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
gribble: MtGox lag is 914965.581336 seconds. During this time, light travels 1833.58078053 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
pankkake: oooh that's the charts I was looking for
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 866.86862, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 8.13138, Last trade: 875.0, 24 hour volume: 42639.43396242, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 979.46603
gribble: MtGox lag is 4959.229808 seconds. During this time, light travels 9.93824100893 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
gribble: MtGox lag is 9959748.13382 seconds. During this time, light travels 19959.2237453 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to heliopause (out of the solar system!) (100 AU).
taub: gox in circuit breaker mode
taub: historic, order book ratio below price
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 850.92528, Best ask: 897.0, Bid-ask spread: 46.07472, Last trade: 840.0, 24 hour volume: 42895.66604874, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 978.47868
ozbot: Gox false signal, loop, aka westexaco: Gox runs its servers from a potato
taub: well, seeing as how pretty much all exchanges break down under load...
nubbins`: my bank now sells precious metals
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 925.0, Best ask: 940.0, Bid-ask spread: 15.00000, Last trade: 940.0, 24 hour volume: 44383.89502737, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 974.67855
ozbot: Home - CIBC Precious Metals
nubbins`: interesting, but not really competitively priced
gribble: Current Blocks: 273454 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 721 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 888475078.261 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.5958
gribble: MtGox lag is 5788.684666 seconds. During this time, light travels 11.6004592573 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Saturn (9.54 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: thickasthieves: when you were buying at $12 I was selling at $14 to make roi on my mining operations..i did not have faith =/
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.0, Best ask: 939.0, Bid-ask spread: 4.00000, Last trade: 935.0, 24 hour volume: 44846.72187139, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1155.0, 24 hour vwap: 972.41213
KRS|gotyawallet: haha yeah i did well i should have just held off from selling.
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.247187 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000495359980356 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).
KRS|gotyawallet: around 20 hours ago or so maybe, fontas mentioned large amounts of btc were headed to the exchanges but then he said he was joking..wonder if this was that
KRS|gotyawallet: then it makes me wonder wtf do these sellers know thats making them sell
thestringpuller: they ddos btc charts so that we can't exercise our options
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 889.90966, Best ask: 899.99, Bid-ask spread: 10.08034, Last trade: 890.0, 24 hour volume: 45457.90578599, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1140.0, 24 hour vwap: 969.05248
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.00078466 = 4.2693 BTC [-]
gribble: Time since last block: 30 minutes and 15 seconds
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 36 seconds
gribble: Current Blocks: 273457 | Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 | Next Difficulty In: 718 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 887746503.029 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.49281
Bugpowder: its just setting your bitcoins on fire
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 898.00501, Best ask: 904.69, Bid-ask spread: 6.68499, Last trade: 904.97499, 24 hour volume: 45888.03323050, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1138.5, 24 hour vwap: 964.48303
assbot: nuttin just got greased
thestringpuller: nubbins`: so what is the pricing for oil painting commissions
nubbins`: ah, i'd have to get back to you on that. ink or watercolor, maybe $2-300. oil, realistically a couple grand
nubbins`: something smaller, maybe a couple hundred for oil
nubbins`: if you're srs and want a more accurate quote, just let me know what size and what you had in mind
thestringpuller: maybe i want a napoleon-esque style portrait of mircea_popescu commissioned
jurov`: just use the horse photo
nubbins`: 1CXK1j9sk3xz48svhtWzcTkLzjvk7NwPFs
nubbins`: maybe a gold btc logo for the sun
nubbins`: well, suppose we do a pay-as-you-go. you've already got yourself a few concept sketches paid for.
Bugpowder: thestringpuller: I lose money everytime I go bearish. So I don't go bearish anymore.
nubbins`: should be able to get started this weekend
thestringpuller: i should commission a rapper to make an MPEx hip hop track
nubbins`: uh, i could probably get that pulled together for you too
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 921.5, Best ask: 934.99998, Bid-ask spread: 13.49998, Last trade: 921.04, 24 hour volume: 47411.98164781, 24 hour low: 800.0, 24 hour high: 1135.715, 24 hour vwap: 962.06274
nubbins`: is there a full version of that horse pic somewhere?
nubbins`: ugh. my roommate has no sense of smell, and he just dropped a rotten fart.
nubbins`: what, meat is gonna make em smell better?!
kakobrekla: well have you ever been in a company of veggi only eaters for extended periods of time?
nubbins`: huh, kale is a brassica. who knew.