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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0020938 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00078643 = 1.3763 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]
pankkake: lol TradeFortress now appears -260 trust
pankkake: it's just useless to add more…
Apocalyptic: a painless tradeoff nonetheless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13219 @ 0.00078906 = 10.4306 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahh
mircea_popescu: so what's new ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: bitcoin made me a bit richer \o/
mircea_popescu: wd!
Azelphur: glad I took your advice you gave me a while back not to buy a house
Azelphur: and instead sit on it :)
mircea_popescu: :p
Azelphur: I tagged $100,000 in the recent boom lol, not bad for an unemployed basement hacker type person.
thestringpuller: I haven't seen Azelphur in some time.
thestringpuller: Cray cray
Azelphur: I'm always about :)
Azelphur: working on my new company.
mircea_popescu: what's it gonna do ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake :)
Azelphur: but atm we're just going for good old fashioned merchant shop
Azelphur: easy way to get some money in
Azelphur: accepting all crypto coins is the plan though, I'm working on a payment module for django to make that happen
mike_c: bitstamp is a django shop, maybe you can borrow theirs :)
Azelphur: didn't know they were django, that's cool. I know localbitcoins is, and their bitcoin backend is open source too
Azelphur: I'm not sure if it'll play well with alt currencies, though
mircea_popescu: Azelphur tjhis " I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake" approach worked well for ohter bitcoin businesses.
Azelphur: it did? that's good xD
Azelphur: I got so fed up with all the trials of doing my own business, it's hard with all the legislative bullshit in UK
Azelphur: got robbed by the banks on more than one occasion :(
mircea_popescu: dude that bitbet thread...
mircea_popescu: funny where the ideological split chose to make itself evident.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: my boss presented me with some hilarious assclowns for consulting the other day though
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu why don't you write more articles on leadership?
Azelphur: they wanted me to clone localbitcoins, for $250...and any more than that and he could just pay his hacker friend to get the source
Azelphur: and they wanted us to be fully liable for when they get hacked, and they were looking at running it on a box with 300 other websites on it (wordpress, joomla, etc)
Azelphur: XD
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller leadership is like the D part of a D/s relationship. you gotta apprentice, it's impossible to learn by reading
mircea_popescu: Azelphur lolk
Azelphur: yea that was pretty much my response
Azelphur: "good luck with your hacker friend"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00386001 = 0.1274 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: so.. you did a hg clone and charged them 250 hopefully :)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu doesn't that create a chicken and egg scenario? what bout the first leader?
thestringpuller: the first OG
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the first leader was there before there was speech. so not really much of a dilemma.
mircea_popescu: meh, is it me or are the really bad titjobs really multiplying these past years
dub: ooh that was close
dub: I nearly lost the string 'bad titjobs?' in a document
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dum/112013/11-17-2013/nicolegraves/photos/10.jpg << for total scary, nicole's 10yo fixtures.
mircea_popescu: dub lol i should charge a fee
pankkake: that whole image is disgusting
mircea_popescu: yw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake so now i'm also getting spam in french, not only english, chinese, russian, korean etc. i blame you.
pankkake: I don't get much French spam :( The best ones I had was about "winning the Bill Gates lottery"
mircea_popescu: o but allow me to impart.
mircea_popescu: rbatv ugg pas cher flujw bottes ugg pas cher udmou ugg pas cher en france zjdao ugg en soldes nrsgc
mircea_popescu: Nous correspondra liée à musicien et interprète longchamp le pliage medium nylon tote black Louis Vuitton longchamps canada hors de vos femmes? Elles sont créées pour finir par être à portée de main, puissant, robuste, en plus élastique alors que même maintenant
mircea_popescu: etc
mircea_popescu: tho i guess i should blame the canadians plutot
pankkake: I blame google translate, I can't figure out what it means
pankkake: it doesn't compute
mircea_popescu: basically the way blog spam works these days is they just scrape a large bunch of facebook pages or w/e then randomly mix up the sentences, add linksat the seams and that's that
pankkake: I get a lot of "thanks for this article you are such an awesome writer" spams
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's that group too
pankkake: one time I had trouble figuring out if it was real or not (there was no link, so…)
mircea_popescu: dork prolly forgot to add the link in the spam script he bought
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00399998 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i get lolstuff like :link1: :salutation: etc
mircea_popescu: also with $$ terminators
opc0d3: ICBIT.se by far the largest futures/derivatives exchange now.... MPEX left behind in the dust by charging 40BTC membership fee. what a joke.
opc0d3: https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx
ozbot: Hall of Fame
pankkake: haha yeah I got those. probably corroborates the whole "spammers don't make that much money" idea
pankkake: they're just dumb
pankkake: two trolls in a day!
opc0d3: MPEX exchange nothing but a scam. ICBIT.se amazing #1 top futures exchange. $ millions a day in volume
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
opc0d3: #1 AMAZING exchange ICBIT.se will be adding options soon. Very low pricing.... MPEX will be a wasteland of ZERO volume as soon as ICBIT.se adds options.... What a joke MPEX is...
pankkake: SHIT. on one of my open source projects I released, I got a "Only wanna tell that this is invaluable, Thanks for taking your time to write this."
mircea_popescu: i guess this is where i'm supposed to say something.
pankkake: I really, really thought it was sincere
opc0d3: all those idiotic pass-thru's taking comissions will be put out of business and MPEX will die a slow death
mircea_popescu: awwww.
pankkake: but millions of blogs have it
pankkake: :((
mircea_popescu: well you're still special for us.
opc0d3: bitbet.us bet about ICBIT being a scam will go to the NO's. ICBIT.se #1 super top exchange. MPEX #1 scam
pankkake: also author used Internet Explorer and Windows, so not someone who could use my thing anyway
mircea_popescu: user agent strings are meaningless.
pankkake: eh, I got one star on Github
pankkake: if only you could sell them for btc
opc0d3: over $25 million volume on ICBIT.se in past 30 days. ICBIT.se making lots of money charging fees on large volume... MPEX sitting in the dust with no volume and high fees. MPEX doesn't understand economics. MPEX = joke. ICBIT= awesome
mircea_popescu: do stars do anything ?
pankkake: no
pankkake: actually too much stars is like reddit karma. it's suspicious
mircea_popescu: a
opc0d3: ICBIT.se #1 super awesome site. go trade there. I'm #1 on the leaderboard. https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx up only 1,000 BTC in past 30 days trading on ICBIT.se super awesome #1 futures site go now make account. #1 top site is awesome. MPEX is joke. ICBIT.se super good!
mircea_popescu: mike_c:
mircea_popescu: bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc. <<< kakobrekla that's prolly a good idea, stops people from scraping pages in desperation.
thestringpuller: lol page scraping is an art though
mircea_popescu: check this shit out :
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1835
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000
pankkake: I am well versed in that art too :p
pankkake: wow such noobiness
mircea_popescu: it's like... jesus.
mircea_popescu: basically the horde of headless zombies wants to get their disgusting goop on anything
mircea_popescu: "o here's a cool patch of clean grass, let's vomit on it"
mircea_popescu: stay in your fucking pens, consumers!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.03147016 = 1.8882 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: bloctoc well what's the matter there ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.05999999 = 1.38 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, Right now I'm thinking of just plugging in a microphone and hiring some hookers, Rob Ford style <<< for the record, this is MP style!
asciilifeform: 'Ford style' would be rng based on puffs of (crack) smoke?
asciilifeform: (turbulent flow!)
mircea_popescu: lolerskates: starting my 6 months of lurking now << ahaha this is too good.
mircea_popescu: you around still nooblet lurker ?
mircea_popescu: kleeck: why is there an mpoe wall? << ancient artefact since the days mpoe took an investor this spring.
mircea_popescu: basically the deal on the table was either 5% for X premium or 10% for Y premium, Y > X.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I thought you wouldn't need to hire hookers because slaves. Then again you mentioned you prefer the reduced stress environment of an open harem...
mircea_popescu: investor went for 5% and then a large buy appeared. it took a while to sell but i think over ~6 months it mostly bought like 2/3 or so
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the microphone sex part i meant.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yes.
mircea_popescu: or did i only mention that in private... hm...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu, I believe it appeared on trilema or in trilema comments.
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: well then, i totally claim dibs on the whole concept of using innocent if luscious pretty young thing's mating heews and haws for computational purposes.
mircea_popescu: I AM TOTALLY THE FIRST TO HAVE DONE THAT.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0020865 = 0.5216 BTC [+]
dub: that aint shit, I created breakingbadbios which uses crack smoke signals for covert comms
mircea_popescu: dub http://trilema.com/2013/journalistic-responsibility-a-case-study/
mircea_popescu: my wafflemaker beats your smoke signals.
mircea_popescu: whoa!
mircea_popescu: dubsy check it out man : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/rerouting_inter.html
mircea_popescu: the guy has been reading your -assets comments!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell tulak_ one idea is to get into the wot. read gribble's info on that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: that bios picture makes me nostalgic. newer bioses are so fancy
mircea_popescu: true that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to quote some clever young gent for your benefit, "There are way to many companies like this in Bitcoin. We need to stop supporting these crooked business practices if we want bitcoin to succeed."
thestringpuller: who would that clever gent be?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3663642#msg3663642
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: that thread was funny, apparently buncha people got the message.
mircea_popescu: not the original poster, i guess, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: what's with all the folks obsessed with 'being part of bitcoin!' ? i mean, it makes sense to want riches, but it is a curious way of phrasing it.
asciilifeform: where is 'i wanna be part of euro!'
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic : we need peer to peer distributed faith, brah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you misunderstand the religious impulse animating most of the web crowd.
mike_c: greece wants to be part of euro
mircea_popescu: they wish "to be part of" various things. such as "change", "progress", "the solution" and not "the problem" etc.
asciilifeform: what happened to good old-fashioned honest avarice.
mircea_popescu: they don't want to be rich, and they don't want to be powerful. they just want to... be.
mircea_popescu: avarice is for crabs not amoeba.
mircea_popescu: also, people, you have ruined my fucking life. I go spend half a day in my dungeon knee deep in blossoming adolescent pussy, come back, read the log and regret i missed out on all the fun.
mircea_popescu: fuck you.
thestringpuller: crab people?
mircea_popescu: this shouldn't exist.
thestringpuller: ??????
mircea_popescu: it's unfair and i should be refunded all my regrets!
pankkake: we can exchange lives if you want
mircea_popescu: at first i read "livers"
mircea_popescu: i was hmm...
pankkake: livers are barely worth an ipad these days
mircea_popescu: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/american-borders-will-be-changing.html << at least the first two sentences are likely correct.
ozbot: Activist Post: American Borders Will Be Changing
asciilifeform: republikflucht is a big no-no.
nubbins`: hard on the chicken fingers & beer tonight
thestringpuller: meal fit for a girl scout
mircea_popescu: or being deemed likely to cause “serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States.”
mircea_popescu: this is like...
asciilifeform: on paper, most governments reserve the right to 'we don't like you - go away.' the question is where it will happen in practice.
nubbins`: oh wow, you can get denied a passport for having smoked a joint?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, wait. on paper no eu government reserves the right to refuse a passport for "national security or foreign policy reasons"
mircea_popescu: it's also quite actionable before the hr court.
mircea_popescu: i like this mgio kid.
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <benkay> ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?
Bugpowdurr: $1000 is gonna happen soon
mike_c: get ur 10 btc ready to drop on that bitbet
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 750.47291, Best ask: 751.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.52709, Last trade: 751.0, 24 hour volume: 38779.49420170, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 707.43635
cazalla: hope so, i can consider leaving my wife at 1k
Bugpowdurr: lol
Bugpowdurr: my wife lets me order tesla at 1k
mircea_popescu: cazalla why leave her ? sell her!
Bugpowdurr: supposedly
thestringpuller: $avg
mpexbot: thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
thestringpuller: LOL
cazalla: we can't sell women in australia and her market value wouldn't be much anyway
thestringpuller: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
thestringpuller: ~__~
Bugpowdurr: tho I'm not selling any more coins to pay for it
mike_c: grr, bitcoincharts 502 (again). anybody know another good place to get gox trade history?
Bugpowdurr: fuck that
mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity maybe ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr so how do you buy it then ?
gaysian: mike_c: bitcoinwisdom?
Bugpowdurr: With cash?
mircea_popescu: o. i had forgotten that works.
Bugpowdurr: Bitcoin is not our primary income stream
mike_c: those have charts, but not seeing historical trade data. i guess i'll wait for bitcoincharts api to come back
mircea_popescu: i wish i could still say the same, but at least as far as paper valuations are concerned...
Bugpowdurr: Although now she is all in on bitcoin... Finally.... Hoarding coins
Bugpowdurr: dude
Bugpowdurr: You should buy a plane
mircea_popescu: mike_c bitcoinity has a 2 year option
Bugpowdurr: like a used g5
nubbins`: my bitcoin valuation makes my day job look mildly embarassing
mircea_popescu: or used to at some point.
Bugpowdurr: and install a hot tub
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: when are you going to make your own lab, you surely have enough by now
Bugpowdurr: although that would be too heavy
Bugpowdurr: I start Jan 1st
Bugpowdurr: Renovations done in march
thestringpuller: Ah you took the plunge!
thestringpuller: WHat research are you planning on doing?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller he's taking a step down from rats :
Bugpowdurr: Synthetic perception
mircea_popescu: will be cutting open bitcointalk user skulls
thestringpuller: XD
Bugpowdurr: basically generating haptic feedback in mentally controlled robotic arms via direct brain stimulation
thestringpuller: isn't bitcointalk part of a huge funding controversy nw?
Bugpowdurr: if it works
thestringpuller: someone saying theymos ran off with 10k of coin?
thestringpuller: donated to the site
Bugpowdurr: he distributed it to many people
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr that's cool stuff.
Bugpowdurr: so stupid
Bugpowdurr: The issue is I need to break out of the mouse
Bugpowdurr: and get into human
mircea_popescu: yes. it was as stupid as only a 20yo ancient bitcoin user could have conceived.
Bugpowdurr: for DARPA funding
Bugpowdurr: but tech isn't there yet for precise CNS stim in humans
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr this will sound corny, but, you should really talk to the chinese/koreans
Bugpowdurr: about what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
Bugpowdurr: science or bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: i give you about 3x better odds to get financing.
Bugpowdurr: hahah
mircea_popescu: about your research.
dub: typical Schneier
Bugpowdurr: I think I'll get funding
truffles: DARPA sounds like LOST
Bugpowdurr: I have a decent startup
mircea_popescu: dub i love the "nsa is 100% not doing this" part
dub: flaws in implementaion not the protocol
Bugpowdurr: And I am talking to the Chinese re: arb
dub: though the protocol could use some extra knobs to help with this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.003852 = 0.6625 BTC [-]
Bugpowdurr: counterparty risk is problematic. There is a reason all the big chinese empires are kept in the family
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr just a thought. they're spending a shitton on advanced robotics research atm
Bugpowdurr: hrmmm...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00208949 = 0.5245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001248 = 1.248 BTC [+]
dub: mircea_popescu: he says the odss of nsa not doing it are 0%, but he's probably wrong, they dont need this they have quantum
mircea_popescu: yeah, quantum dingbats.
Bugpowdurr: quantum bullshit
dub: quantum is the name of their mitm program
Bugpowdurr: quantum VC
Bugpowdurr: oh
truffles: theyre probably reading your plans as we speak
asciilifeform: they've got - 'remote viewers!' with magic. as seen 'men who stare at goats.' surely.
Bugpowdurr: Not that D-Wave thing
mircea_popescu: dub "they don't need this" has afaik never stopped any public expenditure to date.
dub: last week or so snowden revealed they used it to deliver trojans to specific linkedin users
mircea_popescu: not even in like, ghana
asciilifeform: incidentally 'they broke rsa ages ago' makes for a good crackpot theory regarding the wasteful incompetence of, well, everything else. smoke screen.
mircea_popescu: dub yes, but it was to attack a telecom.
asciilifeform: i think he was referring to 'QUANTUM' rather than feynman's 'quantum computer.'
dub: as was I
dub: norly they used superposition to put malway on remote disks derp
dub: malware*
asciilifeform: dub: if you had a working 'shor's algo' setup, you could put pretty much whatever you like, anywhere you like.
asciilifeform: without weird telecom gymnastics.
asciilifeform: or the cooperation of willing idiots.
thestringpuller: trilema needs a search function
thestringpuller: why has this not been developed yet?
pankkake: it's called googling site:trilema.com butts
mircea_popescu: the mtgox price chart looks like a free oscillator in action
pankkake: I do it mostly on log.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com butts
gribble: Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: <http://trilema.com/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times>; Clear signs that you're gay you don't even know about! pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/clear-signs-that-youre-gay-you-dont-even-know-about>; Apparently I'm not the only one pointing out the obvious pe (1 more message)
pankkake: it was more oscillating last day
mircea_popescu: always good for a chuckle
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com "apply for money"
gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion>; Wikileaks - CII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-cii>; The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-bitchslapping-of-2013>
thestringpuller: ah there it is
thestringpuller: the bitch slapping of 2013
thestringpuller: thanks for that pankkake
truffles: is pankkake derived from bukkake?
pankkake: ;;later tell Vexual can you dig it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: truffles: yes
truffles: it was bugging me :D
pankkake: it's a good way to spot people who know what bukkake is, or are willing to admit it in public :p
pankkake: (especially IRL)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: was bukkake widely known in the time of Dukkakis? perhaps this might explain his ill fortune.
mircea_popescu: afaik bukkake only became a household... item in the mid 90s
truffles: so u think ppl would be embarassed by saying that, i dont
pankkake: probably not known before the internet
pankkake: I blame KaZaa porn mostly
mircea_popescu: it was somewhat known due to german fascination with weird vhs
pankkake: and the German Goo Girls :)
pankkake: ah well, so you are part of the people who know how to say bukkake correctly
truffles: lol
pankkake: not ba-cake
mircea_popescu: http://jonnymetbird.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/samuel-silva-red-haired-girl.jpg
Bugpowdurr: l8r dudes....
asciilifeform: more like kabuki.
truffles: i dont think i need to know that 1
pankkake: mircea_popescu: too bad that girl doesnt exist, because I love her
mircea_popescu: i thot the internet way of looking at things was more like "thanks goodness the girl doesn't exist, because i love her"
asciilifeform: how's that work?
truffles: she's got blood on her nose
mircea_popescu: i guess it works not too well.
pankkake: http://images.luvimages.com/luvphotos/a/amazing_freckles-1642.jpg
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pankkake: lol
mircea_popescu: frenchiepoofs and their freckle fetish
truffles: more blood
mircea_popescu: you know, we call them gingers, and we EAT THEM
mircea_popescu: unrelated : http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2011/07/several_dozen_infantile_disord.html
pankkake: is it so wrong to like people with no souls?
truffles: yes
ThickAsThieves: if you have to ask!
pankkake: at least it's not slanderous…
truffles: what a weird thing to have a preference for
pankkake: it's not much of the fetish, but I won't admit most of my other fetishes :)
ThickAsThieves: it's a cry for help
truffles: lol
truffles: what about feet
mircea_popescu: what's the big deal about admitting to various kinks ?
pankkake: feet is pretty mainstream
truffles: i c
mircea_popescu: feet is only mainstream among impotent old men.
truffles: ure out there huh
pankkake: it's more in the ridiculous range
truffles: 0.0
pankkake: though there are actually a few websites dedicated to them
truffles: looks like MP will stay young forever
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some lol to tame the slanderous soul you don't have : http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1851
mircea_popescu: basically bitstamp is going to get deluged into requests to do weird manual things to their incoming.
truffles: freckle face made me think she'd rip off her mask and reveal http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/118136/2216490-voldemort01.jpg
kakobrekla: so
kakobrekla: this guy copies bitbet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0
kakobrekla: and then tries to sell it to me
kakobrekla: gj
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla we run wordpress ?!
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: Hi,
kakobrekla: I'm selling really beautiful wordpress theme for social betting site as yours. I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know. Hopefully you might be interested to uptade the look and feel of your site.
kakobrekla: Here is the topic in the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0
kakobrekla: Best regards,
pankkake: hopefully no, otherwise I'm asking for a refund
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0020929 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that intended to read "uptard" ?
kakobrekla: heh
mircea_popescu: "I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know." this is possibly the winner.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, i would like you to have my babies.
mircea_popescu: i know you're not female and therefore lack the requisite apparatus, but... YOU NEVER KNOW
kakobrekla: sorry, my utterus is full
kakobrekla: uterus*
mircea_popescu: "uterus is utterly fowl"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: resemblance to a chicken (when seen on an anatomist's table) is amazingly close.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/612/asianslave4sales-ipo/
ozbot: BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO
mircea_popescu: im still hoping that one happens.
truffles: 0.0
kakobrekla: what is this even
mircea_popescu: meme material, maybe.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the Courts circus is about to get a lot of new clowns http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21562284-senate-goes-nuclear-democrats-approve-changes-to-filibuster-rules?lite
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i saw that. curious where this ends.
mircea_popescu: perhaps unicameral parliament ?
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking it will probably end in a drone backed coup leading to a RoboKleptocratic government. Like the terminator, but with theft instead of all that killing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal in the us.
mircea_popescu: apple doesn't repatriate it's currency holdings. nobody else is. there's literally nothing there, you can steal the real estate if you wish the hassle of running it
dub: untrue
mircea_popescu: which by now through regulation costs more than it's worth anyway.
dub: america is vitally important for one thing
dub: they drink bourbon
BingoBoingo: Well there's still fields full of chemistry products.
mircea_popescu: so te plan is for a robocleptocratic bourbon heistin' government ?
mircea_popescu: sort of like the pirates except not with rum ?
dub: we need them to dispose of it too, nobody else will drink it
BingoBoingo: Well it only seems like the end of the line for the US's current unholy marriage of socialism, surveillance, military robots, and IT contractors who can't make web sites.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0646 = 1.615 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/moose-eating-shark-rescued-in-newfoundland-harbour-1.2434102
ozbot: Moose-eating shark rescued in Newfoundland harbour - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: the b'ys found a shark choking on a moose carcass
mircea_popescu: wow.
dub: stuff you can't make up #38575345
dub: Chaulk said another local man, Jeremy Ball, arrived on the scene and starting pulling on the moose chunk. Shark rescue Jeremy Ball of Norris Arm North, N.L., moves the beached shark into deeper water. "A couple yanks and it just came right out."
nubbins`: turns out sharks like moose, too ;(
nubbins`: or uh, what do you guys call them in europe?
nubbins`: elk?
asciilifeform: on the contrary, there is plenty to steal from a decaying superpower. witness the 'cable contains no copper!' (dirty lie!) signs that have popped up at construction sites.
asciilifeform: just as rebar was 'mined' from soviet missile bases.
asciilifeform: (and iron from manhole covers.)
asciilifeform: and virtually anything you might think of as stationary, can be dismantled and sold, if the will is there
nubbins`: i know a couple of guys who always seem to come across loads of copper wire
nubbins`: the trick, i'm told, is to burn it in a gasoline fire in a barrel to remove the plastic coating
asciilifeform: quite a few of the 'underwater' houses in the u.s. are, unknown to their 'owners,' husks that have been stripped of wire, pipes...
nubbins`: makes sense
asciilifeform: daring thieves have been attaching trucks to live (!) high voltage transformers, and driving off.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suppose it'd be elk, but elk is small
asciilifeform: (it is kept out of the national papers, but you'll find it if you know where to look - local news.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're going to make a pile of vinyl siding ? grand.
dub: asciilifeform: kinda like hte nigerians stealing natural gas out of high pressure pipelines and blowing up whole villages
mircea_popescu: dub no, that's romanians.
mircea_popescu: magistral pipeline going through gypsy encampments loses about 1 milibar per mile.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: moose are pretty big. there's also another animal here called the elk which is apparently 100% unrelated to the european ones
nubbins`: so who knows
asciilifeform: dub: there's metals theft for plebes, and nicer things for the nobles (vanishing scientific equipment, war machines, piles of precious metals and still not entirely-worthless currency)
dub: I still say old bourbon barrels to age scotch is is a better use case
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. some people stole soviet nuke subs. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: the only way theft is worth it is if you steal the various factories/other means of production just as the new regime is coming into power.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, stealing as the old regime is dieing is pure harpagon nonsense
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that the us produces exactly nothing.
asciilifeform: or if you'd just like to be loaded at your new destination, a still-functioning locale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00078903 = 14.3603 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: the people who made off with what remained of the ussr are quite happy campers in london, paris, etc. last i checked.
mircea_popescu: happy campers, ie m,iddle class.
mircea_popescu: they could have gotten three a thousand different ways
asciilifeform: middle class - and alive.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's nothing to write a bio about.
asciilifeform: the results are considerably more felt on the 'giving' than the 'receiving' end.
nubbins`: hey, speaking of london and paris! i'm visiting europe next summer
asciilifeform: try driving over missing manhole covers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform def a problem, that. but i believe in just punishment.
mircea_popescu: this is where i remind of
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema conference 2nd edition
gribble: What Can The President Do When Congress Gives Him a “Trilemma ...: <http://verdict.justia.com/2013/01/08/what-can-the-president-do-when-congress-gives-him-a-trilemma-of-unconstitutional-choices>; monroe freedman's solution to the criminal defense lawyer - Hofstra ...: <http://law.hofstra.edu/pdf/Academics/Journals/LawReview/lrv_issues_v34n03_CC8_Gillers_final.pdf>; Financial (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: omfg the fail that i am.
nubbins`: autocorrect got ya
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: 0.o
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema.com+conference+2nd+edition&complete=0
mircea_popescu: am i the only one seeing the article as top result there ?
nubbins`: #1 for me
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf gribble.
kakobrekla: #3
nubbins`: site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition returns nothing tho
nubbins`: 2nd vs second, algos, amirite?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [+]
Tulak_: greetings
kakobrekla: hi
pankkake: not sure he had the time to get that ;;later tell
kakobrekla: oh hes gone
kakobrekla: i gots parts and quits disabled
kakobrekla: and joins
kakobrekla: and whatnot
pankkake: I got them disabled in the activity indicator but not in windows
pankkake: that would be too confusing
kakobrekla: i like confusing
kakobrekla: thats why i start to watch the movies in the middle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: and then watch the first part on the end if the second is any good
pankkake: you miss relevant info like smidge [smidge@p4FDCECAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: sorry,but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...]
kakobrekla: heh
nubbins`: just the sort of guy you want to do business with
pankkake: just got a pm "I love how you literally took a shit, and wiped it all over OP's face."
nubbins`: heh
pankkake: my life is worthwile!
truffles: good for u
KRS-: I'm with you pankkake!
truffles: hi KRS- drinking tonite
truffles: ?
KRS-: yup..making trades =D
truffles: dont go all out on the lite stuff :D
KRS-: I have a diversified portfolio...that BTC-e trollbox should be pay per view subscription its so entertaining lol
nubbins`: diversity!
pankkake: if you only have bitcoins you're a coincist?
pankkake: so now without XBOND I don't know how to make more bitcoins out of my bitcoins
KRS-: <3 XBOND
pankkake: what should one do?
truffles: listen to music?
pankkake: I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN84dNfU-U probably the worst idea given that I should go to sleep
pankkake: but that doesn't make more bitcoins
truffles: ull never have enough though
pankkake: I don't have many needs
truffles: so why do u seek moar
mike_c: bitcoins aren't fiat, you don't need moar! they don't lose value!
KRS-: This is for my Federal friends out there watchin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt1hEN7wTA
nubbins`: you always need more
mike_c: then i recommend the simona halep bitbet. free money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.1834346 = 1.4675 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: actually I already can buy myself my ultimate fantasy right now (10 TB of solid state storage)
mike_c: wow. the mttf on that must be measured in seconds
pankkake: I'm accounting for enough RAID
mike_c: that would be very fun
truffles: terrible song KRS-
KRS-: =/
KRS-: its cool we all have our own thing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` https://www.google.com/search?q=site:trilema.com+conference+2nd+edition+returns+nothing+tho&complete=0 gives me anonimity not forp the poor lol
pankkake: I probably own more than 30 hard drives already. don't know what I'm going to do with the old ones
pankkake: those things are heavy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00209292 = 0.8539 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: KRS- someone should make a "now in bitshits&coingiggles"
mircea_popescu: and just live 24/7 to copy-paste the lulzy drama and whatnot
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 734.10001, Best ask: 734.18174, Bid-ask spread: 0.08173, Last trade: 734.18174, 24 hour volume: 37926.58615795, 24 hour low: 602.00001, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 714.74625
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007725 / 0.00078853 / 0.00083076 (425473 shares, 335.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082562 / 0.00085604 (1742109 shares, 1,438.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082829 / 0.00088996 (4600300 shares, 3,810.41 BTC)
mircea_popescu: amazing ipo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
KRS-: LOL mircea_popescu..wonder if anyone would give a shiggigle.
mircea_popescu: o wow it dipped all the way to 77 huh
thestringpuller: amazing ipo
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: KRS- prolly...
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo so, earlier today i spent ~5 dollars (~1 ltc ?) in exchange for about 2 pounds of prime portobello which i've just fried in corn oil.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0020948 = 0.2053 BTC [+]
pankkake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
ozbot: "Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem - YouTube
KRS-: lol pankkake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.407 = 1.221 BTC [+]
pankkake: and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc :)
KRS-: these aint bad quite entertaining
KRS-: would have been great vids to watch during my college economics classes
dub: corn oil?
KRS-: i breezed through those classes for some reasonit all made sense to me
pankkake: probably more informative than any economics classes I took
dub: that straya cunt guy is pretty good on philosophy
pankkake: "The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge." BOOM
mircea_popescu: yay.
mircea_popescu: is this stoya ?
mircea_popescu: a hayek.
pankkake: well, fake hayek
mircea_popescu: it'd be so cool if someone paid some of the better whores to go on cam doing this sort of shit
pankkake: there's already Naked News
mircea_popescu: "stoya debating donna"
mircea_popescu: ya but...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.03989449 = 0.8777 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: pornstars probably know more about economics than the average tv expert
mircea_popescu: especially those whose names i know.
mircea_popescu: anyway, wunderbar production this.
Diablo-D3: pankkake: actually, a lot of them do
Diablo-D3: porn stars know a LOT about the business
pankkake: they will soon ask to be paid in bitcoins
Diablo-D3: honestly, I dont know why they dont now
Diablo-D3: do you know who invented https, really?
Diablo-D3: and made it ubiquitous in all browsers?
Diablo-D3: the porn industry
Diablo-D3: the banking industry et al. got the sloppy seconds on that one
pankkake: pretty much any tech
mircea_popescu: "Did you hear about the Obama Happy meal? You may order anything you wish, and the guy behind you is required to pay for it."
pankkake: also deciding the winner of vhs vs. betamax
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: itym republican happy meal
Diablo-D3: pankkake: yeah
Diablo-D3: pankkake: that was just dumb
Diablo-D3: there is no moral high ground in tech
mircea_popescu: it isnt what it used to be tho.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 265 @ 0.00385102 = 1.0205 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.003851 = 1.1553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0020939 = 0.2094 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Tulak_ wb.
KRS-: LOL @ Obama Happy meal good one!
Tulak_: mornin
Tulak_: bitcointalk turns into a comedy
nubbins`: comedy > tragedy
Tulak_: so many topics open with 0.0X btc loaning
Tulak_: true dat
mircea_popescu: i looked into the gambling section report yest for the first time in about two months
mircea_popescu: and took that section off the reporting orders.
Tulak_: ah mircea !
pankkake: gambling section is full of people looking for 0.00001 free btc
Tulak_: the prophet :)
pankkake: actually I wonder what are the use cases for borrowing in btc
mircea_popescu: i'm just an asshole.
mircea_popescu: pankkake there's a market for fantasy rape. same people.
nubbins`: heh
pankkake: there are some. I lent to one guy who wanted to buy something quickly (probably drugs but what do I care) and was waiting for mtgox
mircea_popescu: heh.
nubbins`: probably the only legit use
pankkake: he repaid me after btc went up 5×. lesson learned
mircea_popescu: just for fun i went through all the fiat-based deals where people wanted to ipo in bitcoin cca 2012 and i talked them out of it.
pankkake: well you also can't easily borrow millions without telling your banker what it's for
mircea_popescu: "well done, your company went up 5x in 2 years in fiat. that means only a 90% loss for your bitcoin investors!!1"
nubbins`: rentalstarter
nubbins`: i fucked up an entire batch of wedding invitations today, feels bad
pankkake: offer them a free print for the divorce
nubbins`: well i obv didn't deliver them yet :P
nubbins`: "here, sorry"
nubbins`: gotta start again from scratch
nubbins`: this time, i'll probably pay closer attention
Tulak_: re
nubbins`: re
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.405 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: til "Bitbet owner is a slimy fuck that is the definition of elitist"
Tulak_: mircea_popescu, are you mpoe-pr on talk?
mircea_popescu: henceforth i shall be refered to as either mp in the direct or "the definition of elitist" in the euphemistic.
mircea_popescu: Tulak_ no, mpoe-pr is teh girl.
Tulak_: so your wife
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: i ain't married.
Tulak_: good job
nubbins`: mp is like oprah
Tulak_: dont
nubbins`: he has a lifelong relationship with a man named steadman whom he refuses to marry
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ < she's the chick on the 2nd pic, in red. works for mpoe/mpex
ozbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]
Tulak_: holy mother! the knockers
mircea_popescu: some girls are fortunate.
Tulak_: guess ill have to stay here now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` oprah actually refuses to marry someone ?
Tulak_: so these people showed me yesterday why this is a better place to be than btctalk
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: wouldn't you?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i would refuse to marry her, yes.
mircea_popescu: tho i WOULD take her down 42nd street in latex and a leash.
mircea_popescu: imagine the ratings!
Tulak_: whats the bitbet topic all about?
mircea_popescu: !topic
nubbins`: hm, she apparently dated roger ebert in the 80s!
mircea_popescu: what bitbet topic ?
nubbins`: the one that calls you slimy i guess
Tulak_: where this guy complains that he lost 10btc
mircea_popescu: o. i dunno, some guy.
Tulak_: because he sent without txfee and on closing of bet lol
Tulak_: mpoe-pr is going berserk
Tulak_: and i like some naughty girl action
mircea_popescu: this happens every time bitcoin perks up. buncha consumers get sucked in by the irresponsible media hype, then they get hurt.
mircea_popescu: somehow groking that bitcoin isn't a consumer affair is hard, and too many losers pushing it as such for lack of a clue.
Tulak_: and leave eventually
Tulak_: people would never handle 100000$ in such a carefree attitude, but sending 200 btc here and there
Tulak_: morons
Tulak_: oh well
mircea_popescu: well, bitcoin is bitcoin. the fiat part... whatever.
mircea_popescu: basically people buying it on the exchanges are exactly like the players buying game goods/toons on the illegal markets in most games
mircea_popescu: sure, they get whatever sword. but they didn't EARN it so they have no idea what is what
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: they get killed, looted, whatever. as per game rules.
mircea_popescu: then they wish to whine to somebody. well... dohn't fucking buy it, mine it like everyone else.
mircea_popescu: it's not a currency.
mircea_popescu: http://lo.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1loy1u/is_labcoin_a_ponzi_scheme_bitbet_thinks_so/
mircea_popescu: look what teh ppls dredged up.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you'll prolly enjoy the comments.
nubbins`: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/112113-sc13-gpus-would-make-terrific-276246.html
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.388 = 3.492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00078744 = 6.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.22399999 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.003851 = 0.1656 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.388 = 9.7 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003851 = 0.3851 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00201001 = 0.3216 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.003851 = 0.1155 BTC [-]
tulak_: yo
KRS-: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 272 @ 0.003851 = 1.0475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03265 = 0.1633 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.398 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00379989 = 0.1064 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.24996099 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: moaning
jurov: hi kako
kakobrekla: heya
jurov: so big log, so small time
jurov: *little time
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey.
kakobrekla: heya
KRS-: i know you guys like max keiser but he sure seems like an idiot with an ego
KRS-: i worked for a guy like him and i could see through him like i had xray vision
KRS-: just wait til he becomes your enemy =/
mircea_popescu: KRS- wait, when did us guys liked him ?
mircea_popescu: he's a tool lol.
KRS-: he is a tool for sure..idk..people in btc seem to love him..he just seems to like whatever gets him attention.
tulak_: mircea!
mircea_popescu: KRS- you're exactly correct. also : http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/
KRS-: i remember when this article came out..at the time i think it was ahead of the times, especially ahead of my comprehension..reading again...for sure ahead of my understanding at the time. ahh what i wouldnt do to rewind this shit back to apr.
KRS-: Nice to know I'm in the same company with folks that can not only think outside the box, the norm, but also above average intelligence and certianly not other lemmings.
mircea_popescu: that's too much, i'll take half.
KRS-: damn i gotta get some rest some time tonight
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/incredibly-popular-delusions-of-the-crowd-and-the-pernicious-role-of-government/
ozbot: Incredibly popular delusions of the crowd and the pernicious role of government. pe Trilema - Un blo
KRS-: kickass blog dude..not sure if everoyne's ready for it all or not haha..kinda like nosuchlabs..which is maybe 10-15 yrs ahead of its time..I could be way wrong there though.. Ok..last cigarette before i retire to another episode of "Breaking Bad".
mircea_popescu: later.
KRS-: nite or uh morning (here)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00201 = 0.201 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0007924 = 4.1997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00079115 = 9.7311 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39898 BTC [-]
deadweasel: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 760.21008, Best ask: 764.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.78992, Last trade: 760.21008, 24 hour volume: 40265.64503467, 24 hour low: 677.0, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 731.87595
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39899 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0036052 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 3240 @ 0.000475 = 1.539 BTC [-]
ThePickingPair: Finally know what to spend my btc on - https://twitter.com/richardbranson/statuses/403875534339203073
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4901 @ 0.00045515 = 2.2307 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338274.0
ozbot: [WARNING] BitPay pocketing over $1000 from me.
mircea_popescu: I think it's insane that BitPay cannot repay my whole 4 BTC back, after all they are damn revolved around bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: I feel jipped that BitPay stole over $1000 from me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0037 = 0.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.003799 = 0.1102 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: that thread makes no sense
ThickAsThieves: people want refunds in bitcoins now?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they FEEEEEE EEEEELLLL they
mircea_popescu: 're entitled.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
deadweasel: feeeeeeelings. noooothing but feeeeelingss........
ThickAsThieves: thats seems like the question he should be asking is why not
ThickAsThieves: anger, use it or lose it
ThickAsThieves: ~ Mr. T
mircea_popescu: anyway. as i said, worst wave.
ThickAsThieves: what do we use as body shields?
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from that thread is that the sandman or w/e guy that was derping all over the bitbet thread nad being used by mpoe-pr for anvil dropping practice
mircea_popescu: now suddenly appreciates how business works and so forth.
mircea_popescu: maybe he can't admit she taught him a lot, but nevertheless she has and it's quite visible.
mircea_popescu: education through violence and humilation works.
deadweasel: some people break through, some people bounce off and have to try again.
mircea_popescu: bouncy ball!
ThickAsThieves: so the answer is to be hold our ground and educate any nearby monsters with insults and smacks to the back of the head?
ThickAsThieves: could work
mircea_popescu: it's been my policy so far.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.003799 = 0.152 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: 1. make sure you have a motherfucking point ; 2. explain it to anyone asking / willing to listen ; 3. beat the shit out of anyone not wanting to listen.
mircea_popescu: it's what makes a country great, it's what'll make the country of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: *evil laughter*
mircea_popescu: TAKE OVER THE WORLD
mircea_popescu: /*evil laughter*
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: Saint Mircea
ThickAsThieves: maybe theyll Saint us in the end
mircea_popescu: no cause i get too many bjs
ThickAsThieves: diff kinda Saints
mircea_popescu: so what, simon templar gets to act me in the made for tv movie ?
ThickAsThieves: you would be played by Kramer onb
ThickAsThieves: obv*
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: \Jerry
ThickAsThieves: def Jerry
mircea_popescu: i don't think either are scary enough.
ThickAsThieves: its his turning point in acting
ThickAsThieves: a grittier seinfield
mircea_popescu: lol. come watch derpy jewboy turn into al pacino over here!
mircea_popescu: the seinface.
ThickAsThieves: i'd like to be played by benicio del toro plz
mircea_popescu: not bad. maybe madonna's hubby directs
mircea_popescu: the cuts will look like freenode join/part storm on a bad day
mircea_popescu: totally unrelated : 20 hour gamma burst. http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/r14/Science/2013/1121/Scientists-witness-massive-gamma-ray-burst-don-t-understand-it
thestringpuller: jurov: what are the additional fees (besides mpex) on coinbr trades?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.39924096 = 12.3765 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: just msg me the answer
ThickAsThieves: oh did i leave on the Weather Machine again?
ThickAsThieves: sorry
ThickAsThieves: cnn now using all caps in headlines
ThickAsThieves: awesome
ThickAsThieves: THE DAY CAMELOT FELL - FROZEN IN MEMORY
ThickAsThieves: Remembering the day JFK was killed
ThickAsThieves: "As his convertible rolled through Dallas, three shots rang out, their echoes lodging in our memories for years to come."
ThickAsThieves: other gems
ThickAsThieves: "Is Harry Potter stamp un-American?"
ThickAsThieves: X-Men' character comes out
ThickAsThieves: How you travel to North Korea
ThickAsThieves: we got Branson
ThickAsThieves: http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/bitcoins-in-space
ozbot: Bitcoins in space - Virgin.com
ThickAsThieves: "One future astronaut, a female flight attendant from Hawaii, has already purchased her Virgin Galactic ticket using bitcoins, and we expect many more to follow in her footsteps. "
ThickAsThieves: he's the one that caused the rally
thestringpuller: is there another rally?
ThickAsThieves: well he had to buy the coins before his announcement of course
Duffer1: "Bitcoin... one of the world’s most innovative businesses "
Duffer1: lol
mircea_popescu: "the internet.... the world's most confused place"
kleeck: "The world.... the universe's most confused place"
mircea_popescu: "one of the places - one of the place's most one place"
deadweasel: I don't know development, but thought someone here might like this: https://github.com/cloudflare/redoctober
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/tKNF73E.gif
taub: whats up with bitstamp prices exploding like that
taub: bad news?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
kleeck: Why would bad news drive the price up?
mircea_popescu: and how is it up ? 780ish or w/e
kleeck: People want more Bitcoins?
mike_c: that is ath for bitstamp
kleeck: Yes. and now it is leading Gox.
mircea_popescu: maybe they also stopped doing payouts ?
mike_c: hah
mircea_popescu: more like it, someone did a larger arb with the azn mkt
ThickAsThieves: i blame Branson
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12599795 BTC [+]
jurov: we had some group on fb organizing arb via singapore
jurov: not following on them, but there was interest
mike_c: i bet there was. "you send me bitcoin, i promise I'll send back the yuan. double promise!"
thestringpuller: jurov: did you get my msg?
mircea_popescu: you can't really send yuan that much
jurov: thestringpuller: looks like not
taub: kleeck> Why would bad news drive the price up?
taub: stopping payments/clsoing down etc, people buying what they can to gtfo
taub: just surprised to see a 5% surge and not really anything on the other exchanges
taub: ;;premium mtgox bitstamp
gribble: Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -0.899390944166 %.
Duffer1: that's crazy
Duffer1: why would anyone stay on gox now?
bloctoc: last time bitstamp lead gox was right before it broke away from $350 wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: becayse they're mostly mtgox ?
Duffer1: ya that sounds about right bloc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00391169 = 5.8675 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 483 @ 0.00399649 = 1.9303 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00078614 = 9.2765 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00013 = 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.0001011 = 0.2528 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !t m s.nsa
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 (2500 shares, 0.25 BTC), 7D: 0.0001011 / 0.00011219 / 0.00015 (160037 shares, 17.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00013223 / 0.000235 (197447 shares, 26.11 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1820 @ 0.00078373 = 1.4264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 0.17 = 1.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 261 @ 0.00409999 = 1.0701 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0398711 = 0.1994 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.000105 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00012659 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.03989899 = 1.1571 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0406 = 0.2842 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5050 @ 0.00012418 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: that reddit/labcoin/bitbet link is gold. keeping it for future reference
mike_c: i'm going to start a website that "explains" all price movements and become rich. like "mpoe just dropped as people realized the owner has a fondness for poisonous psychoactive mushrooms"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 273113 @ 0.000105 = 28.6769 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c you're kinda late to that party tho, by now my picture is more widely affixed to dictionary entries than goldstein
mircea_popescu: 's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 4387 @ 0.000105 = 0.4606 BTC [+]
mike_c: whoa. that was a significant chunk of s.nsa float. 7%
mike_c: is that a 1984 reference? nice.
mircea_popescu: :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.4 = 3.6 BTC [+]
deadweasel: pankkake, just caught up, can't believe it kept going...
pankkake: haven't yet
bloctoc: I just saw the branson thing. reminds me of a pic I saw a while ago of Branson kit surfing with a young naked woman on his back.
bloctoc: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-branson-photo-naked-model-2013-10&h=599&w=1199&sz=60&tbnid=sl0H3C3DB9memM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=180&zoom=1&usg=__XngMZHqznpAN2ffIGTwuQOALDpU=&docid=vSNu6DYXxbAhbM&sa=X&ei=7IWPUv3mLMbmoASSkQI&s
bloctoc: qi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]
bloctoc: sorry - meant to do this: http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg
deadweasel: I guess I should have realized NSFW
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema gradina edenului
gribble: Titu Maiorescu şi filosofia modernă - Gh. Zane: <http://www.ices.ro/symposion/arhiva/symposion_08_2_2006.pdf>
mircea_popescu: pff
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
ozbot: NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: me:branson 4:1.
bloctoc: all I could see was paywall
bloctoc: s.mg has some nice depth all of a sudden. Thank you rich dude!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i recall the times 1k btc didn't make one rich
deadweasel: i still recall those times.
deadweasel: as the present.
tarmi: and future
deadweasel: for me, yes.
mircea_popescu: there's no future in 1k btc poverty.
mircea_popescu: sell nao.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3676100#msg3676100 this is becoming kinda cool.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: finally they've managed to work themselves to the actual ideological disagreement in question.
tarmi: there is no future, period
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]
benkay_: i got stopped cold in my tracks talking about the cardano last night
benkay_: question was "how open source is it?" and i completely dead-ended because how with a thing like the cardano is one supposed to a) get an idea of the code on the device, much less b) actually validate that code is there?
mircea_popescu: you can read the card with a reader
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39 = 3.51 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00419999 = 0.1176 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133147.msg3626335#msg3626335
ozbot: PicoStocks, bitcoin stock exchange
mircea_popescu: picoscams, always good for a lol.
benkay_: so the cardano has a card reader built in, on which the code for the device is loaded?
mircea_popescu: benkay_ : well no, it uses a flash
mircea_popescu: oops
mircea_popescu: B) Cardano’s firmware. This is a socketed antifuse (OTP) ROM which is unique to your unit and is engraved with the latter’s serial number. If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit’s serial number. For your safety, this ROM is non-reprogrammable
mircea_popescu: . Please contact us for upgrades.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
ozbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay_: and the software that performs decryption/signatures? open for inspection?
mircea_popescu: this'd be the firmware.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3650 @ 0.00066 = 2.409 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1486 @ 0.00066 = 0.9808 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3676193#msg3676193 to the moon(?)
ozbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14850 @ 0.00066 = 9.801 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 451 @ 0.00066 = 0.2977 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: i feel we need a channel mascot girl, who could moon for us.
benkay_: implying firmware on device will be unobfuscated?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: So AM 28nm tape out in 2mos
mircea_popescu: afaik there's no plans to obfuscate it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves bet you against that ?
ThickAsThieves: hmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 110 @ 0.41201619 = 45.3218 BTC [+] {15}
ThickAsThieves: its hard NOT to bet against miners
ThickAsThieves: but how do you resolve a tape out bet
ThickAsThieves: probly need to wait
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ThickAsThieves: make the bet like AM ships gen3 products before Mar 20
ThickAsThieves: or such
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mining manufacturers are by now screening their released copy to bitbetproof it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.45212961 = 24.415 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.004199 = 0.1008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves how about april 1st ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00419905 = 0.3359 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: nah, thats when mtgox adds litecoin remember
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 650 @ 0.00066 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00380101 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 521 @ 0.00066 = 0.3439 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 246 @ 0.00419989 = 1.0332 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.00066 = 3.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.0042853 = 0.6771 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.22899999 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu: will cardano code be available for inspection?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: didn't i just say that ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.00066 = 0.297 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.49007499 = 5.8809 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 733 @ 0.00066 = 0.4838 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00420347 = 0.2186 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.040625 = 0.325 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.04099997 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: not in as dumb words as i need
benkay: hard experience has taught me to keep asking questions until the implicit answers match the explicit ones
mircea_popescu: i don't see how a blackbox item would be useful or practical.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.46033333 = 9.667 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00424909 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: and i'd rather be seen as an idiot than not ask questions and get fried for it later
benkay: nor i
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.46 = 15.64 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: now, you will need a rom reader, and the ability to grok microcode,
mircea_popescu: but still.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1349 @ 0.00425231 = 5.7364 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1827 @ 0.00066 = 1.2058 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00449974 = 0.153 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: and the microcode will be stashed and signed somewhere on mpex/nosuchlabs for comparison to the devices?
mircea_popescu: dawg you refuse to read ? "If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit’s serial number"
benkay: i'm doublechecking that that's the only way to get it!
mircea_popescu: so basically, a rom reader is like hm lets see
mircea_popescu: like 15 bux ?
mircea_popescu: if you run linux you can hash the code for free, compare to what's printed on the thing.
mircea_popescu: if you find a difference we damn well wish to hear about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.124975 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: i'm still wrapping my head around the mircea_popescu policy approach to things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.487 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
benkay: well american approach is to hold hands for customers
benkay: mircea_popescu approach is more like "fu learn tools"
mircea_popescu: hm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00066 = 1.056 BTC [+]
tarmi: well, at least, you can learn something
mircea_popescu: basically it induces a lot of uncertainty on your end, as in, you're not even sure what words mean so multiple restatements are actually beneficial because they'd expose errors ?
mircea_popescu: i can see this argument.
benkay: yeah i generally can't english
mircea_popescu: well, the best advice being, don't go ordering 1k units out of the gate :)
mircea_popescu: get one, see if you like it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14870 @ 0.00066 = 9.8142 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and if all you ever wanted was one, then let the bigger fishes get their prototypes first see if they like it.
mircea_popescu: hm. who'd have thunk it, this actually makes MORE sense of retail.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00403392 = 0.1129 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: holding off carries added bonus of maybe reaping benefits of large batch production efficiencies, although i imagine a large fraction of that'll be captured by nsa itself
mircea_popescu: also carries the risk we just go sorry, production discontinued
mircea_popescu: you know, just like irl, early adopter risk/reward vs late adopter.
mircea_popescu: anyway benkay you've inspired me to write an article here.
mircea_popescu: this is deep stuff.
benkay: nooooo
mircea_popescu: nono, it's good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1702 @ 0.00066 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i feel like i've learned.
benkay: for the first time since late nineties i'm using this handle in public and my record is going to forever be "i bitcoins derp gpg derp wat asic derp quantum!"
benkay: forever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20399 @ 0.00066 = 13.4633 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00469 = 0.3142 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: maybe you'll end up a saint.
benkay: wandering from bitcoin enclave to bitcoin enclave barefoot in a robe
mike_c: if that's the worst thing that happens as you learn you are better off then a lot of people (like me) who have to learn by repeatedly making costly financially errors.
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's your worst ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48866666 = 2.932 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]
benkay: mike_c: why do you think the robe and barefoot?
mike_c: hehe
mike_c: my worst lost?
mike_c: *loss? well, the most recent was a few weeks ago when i sold those C200T options :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46033333 = 1.381 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: right into the bubble! nice move! good for ~16 btc down.
ThickAsThieves: lol
deadweasel: mike_c, I got Lyme disease, arthritic symptoms so bad I couldn't hit the clutch on my truck, traded in and up for 4runner, sold my last bitcoins at ...... dun dun dun
deadweasel: 80
deadweasel: to say nothing of the psychological effects I was suffering.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 77606 @ 0.00066 = 51.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: was that you that day? when you quit bitcoin in IRC and went like "that's it, i'm out!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.00066 = 6.6 BTC [+]
mike_c: deadweasel: ouch. luckily, we are all in early enough to recover from our mistakes.
deadweasel: I'd like to think so. :)
deadweasel: ThickAsThieves: could be, psychological effects of spirochetes boring throuhg your brain can be quite dramatic.
deadweasel: in fact, my entire personality could be teh product of parasites, who knows.
deadweasel: american doctors certainly don't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.488 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: benkay http://trilema.com/2013/today-ive-learned/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.125005 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 441 @ 0.00066 = 0.2911 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468625 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: re: hot coffee. i took a biz law class once, and this lawyer came in and convinced us all that the mcdonalds coffee woman was correct. it was impressive.
benkay: daww what are you doing capitalizing my shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 88501 @ 0.00066 = 58.4107 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c i can convince you of anything you want.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't really mean so much
benkay: mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?
mircea_popescu: i hate youtube. tjhey keep taking vids off
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 356 @ 0.00066 = 0.235 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: then i end up with linkrot
mike_c: argument is this: 1) 170 degree coffee is blazing hot enough for anyone. 2) mcdonalds deliberately made their coffee 180 degree so they could advertise "we have hottest coffee" 3) this was irresponsible and caused big harm (woman burned uterus and couldn't have kids)
mike_c: better stated of course by slick lawyer
mircea_popescu: except "irresponsible" is an undefined symbol ready to take any content, and what woman did to herself is her damned problem
mircea_popescu: who says what is "enough for anyone" ?
mike_c: he made a good analogy to paint stripper
deadweasel: Actually, it was determined that they pushed the extra 10-20 degrees because the smell carried an extra few blocks, bringing in more customers.
mircea_popescu: mike_c let's hear it
deadweasel: as I learned it
mike_c: how paint stripper works at 170 parts per million, but company kept pushing the content for advertising "strongest", even though they know people open their paint stripper with a screwdriver and will sometimes spill it on themselves.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel someone deriving a benefit from their activity does not immediately create a right to realocation towards random bystanders.
mircea_popescu: mike_c "they know" is irrelevant. they don't give a shit.
mircea_popescu: nor should they. not their job to "know"?
mircea_popescu: i don
mircea_popescu: 't want apple telling me how to "safely" use my computer,
deadweasel: you do if it's filled with lava.
mircea_popescu: and it's not paint stripper's maker's job to "know" what i do with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00066 = 0.664 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18705001 = 0.5612 BTC [-]
deadweasel: i mean, at least read the manual for the lava apple pc
deadweasel: Powered by Lava
mike_c: reverse side is that they were solely making it stronger (and more dangerous) to increase their marketing effectiveness. seems this behavior should be curbed by someone.
asciilifeform: i still don't get it. coffee is 100C at STP, max.
asciilifeform: no way around it.
mike_c: 170, 180F
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes. by THE MARKET.
tarmi: why would anyone drink coffee at mcdonalds? thats the worst coffee I have ever tried
mircea_popescu: maybe i was driving all across town for the 180f coffee cause my cock liked the temp.
mircea_popescu: now i can't have it cause retard woman ? fuck that.
mike_c: but NOBODY wanted 180 degree coffee
mircea_popescu: maybe the stronger paint stripper cleans my bath tub just perfect.
deadweasel: sue for your chilled cock
mircea_popescu: ...
abillionhorses: Will anyone here sell me their ActiveMining shares?
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's this, you either sue or don't exist ?
mircea_popescu: great for lawyers.
mike_c: that's the point. it was not for the benefit of ANY consumer
mike_c: just the company marketing campaign
mircea_popescu: how in the heck did your slick lawyer prove the negative ?
mike_c: slick lawyers don't have to prove, just convince.
mircea_popescu: still. a negative can never be a basis here.
mircea_popescu: benkay try youtue link nao.
mike_c: not a negative if mcdonalds admits it was not for customer benefit
mircea_popescu: macdonalds' have to be incredibly poorly counselled to do that.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it can't be a fact, no matter who claims it
mike_c: or careless and 'admitted' it in internal memos, etc.
mircea_popescu: so why make claims with no factual basis that are also against your economic interest.
mircea_popescu: internal memos. pshhh.
mircea_popescu: the classical case of the "internal memos" bs is the ford pinto.
mircea_popescu: it turned out that the "internal memos" were not either internal or memos. regulator mandated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1379 @ 0.00066 = 0.9101 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a fun story : one summer @seaside i dug thriough so much sand to make castles i separated the quick of my nail, and infection bred.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.00066 = 0.6679 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: alcohol did nothing, rivanol did nothing, eventually my mother heated water to boiling and i stuck my finger in there repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: she couldn't quite believe it, but by the next day my nail was fine.
abillionhorses: that woman that spilled hot coffee on herself from mcdonalds actually skalded herself and had to get skin graphs etc and it was an older woman...she had a lot of reasons to sew actually
abillionhorses: sue...lol
mircea_popescu: abillionhorses need does not constitute a basis here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2629 @ 0.00066 = 1.7351 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.0007725 = 3.8262 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.032734 = 0.1637 BTC [-] {3}
abillionhorses: whats that supposed to mean
mircea_popescu: it means that it makes no difference how much trouble the woman got herself into.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3475 @ 0.00066 = 2.2935 BTC [+]
abillionhorses: haha ok well 180 is a little hot for coffee imo...she deserved to win against MCYD's
abillionhorses: but i get your point
abillionhorses: Anyone selling their ActiveMining shares I can buy?
deadweasel: She would have to be aware that the coffee was 180 to 'get herself into trouble'
mircea_popescu: i have no problem with you rooting for the underdog, as you perceive it.
deadweasel: was she made aware?
ThickAsThieves: why do you want ActM shares?
mircea_popescu: deadweasel perhaps that's an argument there. in the end, you can sell dangerous mushrooms in europe as long as you give people insteructions on how to properly cook them
ThickAsThieves: do they even exist anymore?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00066 = 0.6593 BTC [+]
abillionhorses: its not about rooting for underdog, its the fact that most people dont expect their coffee to be 180, so when it is...and it spills on an older woman causing her to have to get surgery...yes there prob should be a suite
abillionhorses: lol at TAT
dexX7: https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204 195k btc on the move
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204
ThickAsThieves: sew a suite
abillionhorses: of course they do
abillionhorses: suite lol god dammit my spelling is terrible today
ThickAsThieves: lol the tx says "Shit load of money!"
dexX7: a redditor labeled it
mike_c: gotta love that the fees for transferring over $100m was zero.
mircea_popescu: old coinbase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1435 @ 0.00010197 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18705001 = 0.3741 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48789999 = 1.9516 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00455 = 0.5278 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00469 = 0.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.498 = 1.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49966666 = 1.499 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.00469 = 0.6988 BTC [+] {2}
tulak_: good evening ladies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0047 = 0.376 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: howdy tulak_
tulak_: pretty retarded day deadweasel
tulak_: i had to rush-install 6 laptops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0047 = 0.329 BTC [+]
deadweasel: fucking lame. tulak_
deadweasel: better than breaking rocks though... maybe. could b eargued.
tulak_: i have this job at my university
tulak_: quitting at the end of the year tho
mircea_popescu: http://www.okayafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/nigeria-naked-protest.jpg
ystarnaud: lol wtf
mircea_popescu: irl tits. never what you hoped for.
ystarnaud: haha i'd say
ystarnaud: harsh reality of life
tulak_: mircea_popescu: the prophet of truth
deadweasel: protesting mammary support devices.
mircea_popescu: maybe this is why nigerians scam.
abillionhorses: i need more mammary in my computer....oh thx for pix
tulak_: mgio made me pick up java once again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0047 = 0.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 172 @ 0.00066 = 0.1135 BTC [+] {2}
tulak_: so this thread is helpful after being 2 hours in it
tulak_: thread=channel
mircea_popescu: java is evil.
tulak_: well
tulak_: I am a Sith, so java is just fine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00066 = 0.1954 BTC [+]
tulak_: someone be a scam-spotter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338379.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: just some bot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.461 = 1.383 BTC [-]
tulak_: primedice has a bot functionality already
tulak_: why create a bot and charge money? is this what people call capitalism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 60 @ 0.18391053 = 11.0346 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0047 = 0.1034 BTC [+]
deadweasel: Mobile County Alabama: http://www.fox10tv.com/news/local/mobile-county/suspects-family-angry-at-good-samaritan
deadweasel: it's so surreal...
deadweasel: .If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him - what gives him the right to think that it's okay to just shoot someone?. said the relative. .You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6635 @ 0.00066 = 4.3791 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2100 @ 0.00066 = 1.386 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: adric white is black ?!
mircea_popescu: shocking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00469 = 0.2345 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00469 = 0.1876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49914285 = 6.988 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.0399 = 1.1172 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.495 = 0.99 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00066 = 0.462 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6766 @ 0.00066 = 4.4656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 152 @ 0.00066 = 0.1003 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00450609 = 0.1036 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.529999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53 = 14.31 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5425 = 4.34 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 79 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3713 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5650015 = 2.26 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9773 @ 0.00066 = 6.4502 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 185 @ 0.00469994 = 0.8695 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0399 = 0.3591 BTC [+]
dexX7: ThickAsThieves: do you continue the am100 <> am1 exchange or is it over now?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1882 @ 0.00066 = 1.2421 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2000 @ 0.00473714 = 9.4743 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.0007725 = 12.6304 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0049 = 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00499795 = 0.3698 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.5178111 = 4.6603 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2}
dub: http://www.cheapair.com/blog/travel-news/book-your-flights-on-cheapair-with-bitcoin-virtual-currency/
ozbot: Book your flights on CheapAir with Bitcoin virtual currency | CheapAir
mircea_popescu: cheapair ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/620/asicminer-gen3-on-schedule/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 841 @ 0.00066 = 0.5551 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.04329397 = 4.3294 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00503622 = 0.277 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54727999 = 2.7364 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9043 @ 0.00066 = 5.9684 BTC [+]
deadweasel: http://bitbet.us/bet/608/super-bowl-coin-toss-will-be-heads/ intersting strategy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0051 = 0.1428 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Super Bowl coin toss will be "heads"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0051 = 0.1683 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00201001 = 0.1206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00201001 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.55 = 4.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00509847 = 0.2549 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1900 @ 0.00066 = 1.254 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5908 @ 0.00066 = 3.8993 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.58 = 10.44 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: davout stop scamming https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.0
kakobrekla: same goes for pankkake.
kakobrekla: and deadweasel ofc, but we know him from before.
pankkake: lol
mike_c: i like how he posts links to monthly reports as proof of stealing. because of course all thieves publish monthly reports detailing their crimes.
kakobrekla: gotta keep the crime record clean
TomServo: "They hide this policy in there FAQ" (Here's a handy link)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.005101 = 0.1785 BTC [+]
jurov`: http://michaelsnyder.mensnewsdaily.com/2013/11/china-announces-that-it-is-going-to-stop-stockpiling-u-s-dollars/ USD freefall from now on?
ozbot: China Announces That It Is Going To Stop Stockpiling U.S. Dollars | MND - Your Daily Dose of Counter
pankkake: does it mention dollars specifically or any other currencies?
jurov`: afaik but china was not hoarding other currencies far so much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [+]
jurov`: "crude oil futures may soon be priced in yuan on the Shanghai Futures Exchange"
jefito: china obv tired of petrodollar
jefito: multi pronged usd attack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20154 @ 0.00077401 = 15.5994 BTC [+]
pankkake: also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24486685 earlier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.582889 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol scammors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00539 = 0.4582 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: these people are so retarded. so if i hire a different mpoe-pr each month basically i can keep scamming indefinitely, provided i was bfl and actually did exactly that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007792 = 11.0646 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how fucking derpy.
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why republic not democracy and no voting by idiots allowed.
deadweasel: but my feeeeelings!
kakobrekla: juj pankkake you shouldnt have tell him/them the funny part!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly i don't think it makes a difference.
pankkake: removing
pankkake: :D
pankkake: the funniest part of the gold thread is that the guy added a POLL to it
mike_c: how is mpex market maker bot working? gribble & bitcoincharts are still hosed.
mike_c: ;;bc,24hprc
gribble: Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58289999 BTC [+]
mike_c: hah. nvm. it just turned off
mike_c: er, now its back.
mircea_popescu: you know, the one thing missing in the mix is joel katzx
mircea_popescu: mike_c possibly old data ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58289999 = 1.7487 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: alternatively, bot might have gotten a lucky shot in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18704059 = 0.3741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 885 @ 0.000122 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18704059 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00543 = 0.3258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00544 = 0.3536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: for the newer ppl : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.180
mircea_popescu: this is the birthplace of the much coveted cherry truck award. quite the gem.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
jurov`: https://www.bitstamp.net/article/banking-software-issues/ that's why bitstamp > gox
ozbot: Banking software issues *RESOLVED* - Bitstamp
dexX7: i remember this guy ... https://blockchain.info/tx/2af75fb4e50a14bf247575bf426615d01f9d6db4d88dc0668d27c88259f68691 and actually send him even a step by step tutorial how he can rebroadcast his tx with a fee :S
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.094875 = 0.5693 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09010091 = 0.1802 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dexX7 unlikely he had another 10 btc in the first place, and moreover he didn't send from an address he controlled
mircea_popescu: jurov` so it was they stopped payments too huh ?
dexX7: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.0852798 = 1.0234 BTC [-] {6}
jurov`: yes some ppl had to wait since monday
mircea_popescu: only took like 12 hours. considering the 0 fees i would call this admirable.
mircea_popescu: if only the person had the decency to bet 12 hours before the 750 was crossed, rather than 12 minutesd or w/e
mircea_popescu: pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678506#msg3678506
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 45613 @ 0.000105 = 4.7894 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the conspiraci thickens.
kakobrekla: hahahaha
kakobrekla: so it DID make a difference.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: only because of milky shenanigans
kakobrekla: i win.
mircea_popescu: can't believe dood STILL hasn't read stuff like the bitbet contract.
kakobrekla: shhhhs
mircea_popescu: i mean, carelessly sending some btc, okay. you don't have the time, you don't care, you don't know shit exists, all is fine.
mircea_popescu: but then spending two days whining about it under mpoe-pr's rain of arrows, and she actually links you to it, and you still don't read it...
mircea_popescu: this degree of intellectual laziness is unexplainable outside of it being the product of the us educational system.
pankkake: nooo MPOE-PR
mircea_popescu: what she do ?
pankkake: exposed us
pankkake: and that cancels my evil plan
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 687004394.262 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 270980 | Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 | Next Difficulty In: 1179 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: this supernode is too strong to be easily deterred. you'll have plenty more evil plan opportunities something tells me
pankkake: but I was quite proud of my trick. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678584#msg3678584
pankkake: let's see if someone finds out
mircea_popescu: pankkake da fuck is icedice
pankkake: just-dice clone
pankkake: just reflink whoring
mircea_popescu: you running it ?
mircea_popescu: ah
jefito: it's all bitbet's fault because someone didn't include a tx fee and their txn went unnoticed, eh
pankkake: it's not especially groundbreaking, I actually removed my coins so it doesn't make me anything
jefito: yeah i'd whine and cry and try to blame someone for that stupid fuck up too
jefito: until nothing happened
thestringpuller: there should be a website to vote on the code that goes into bitcoin
thestringpuller: github is lame
ThickAsThieves: its called reddit
pankkake: vote?
kakobrekla: like you understand what code does?
ThickAsThieves: they make all the big decisions
thestringpuller: lololol
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: reddit votes on the code going into bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the spic's sarcastic humour is maturing nicely i feel
kakobrekla: i vote when ill take a dump, so what
pankkake: git, the actual tool that makes github useful, makes it very easy to vote for yourself
asciilifeform: here's an even better idea: vote on chess moves! who needs champions when you've got reddit. no need for the voters to know how to play! 'wisdom of crowds!'
asciilifeform: (stole this one from moldbug)
mircea_popescu: o yeah, that's some kind of chess i could possibly win
thestringpuller: exactly!
ThickAsThieves: crowdwisdom, i like it
ThickAsThieves: we could make whole governments this way
asciilifeform: (source: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html)
mircea_popescu: it could be abbreviated to wdw
kakobrekla: "well done world?"
mircea_popescu: sure. or woodrow wilson or w/e
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg3678394#msg3678394 asicminer bet broken?
ozbot: ASICMINER Speculation Thread
jefito: surek for xo boxen
mircea_popescu: what already ?
jefito: wtf
mircea_popescu: pankkake didn;'t he say 0.25 gh/w ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2500 @ 0.00066 = 1.65 BTC [+]
pankkake: " <0.2W per G"
thestringpuller: 1.21 gh/w ?
pankkake: so that's actually 0.2w/gh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0057 = 0.114 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so therefore 4Gh per w is generous
mircea_popescu: ashould have been 5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569999 = 0.114 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "The molecular nanotechnology we have, life, is built on low-energy bonds and runs in a wet environment with a very high error rate. Diamondoid nanotech is built on high-energy bonds, runs (at least for manufacturing) in hard vacuum, and depends on a very low error rate - errors will cascade like crazy." this is a surprisingly cogent point.
mircea_popescu: i don't think nanotech has a prayer in hell for the exact same reasons.
mircea_popescu: you're more likely to enjoyably fuck alabaster women.
asciilifeform: 'nanotech' is a mostly empty 'marketing word.'
mircea_popescu: even conceptually, if one tried to so salvage it.
mircea_popescu: nobody seems to understand that in order to exist, the gray slime needs to be rather nonuniform.
asciilifeform: you'll find it referring to perfectly ordinary things (microscopic mirrors in everybody's movie projector) to total crackpottery (robotic maxwell's daemons, etc.)
mircea_popescu: (which makes it much less threatening, which is why they don't want to understand it)
pankkake: so what happens to the AM bet?
mircea_popescu: nothing ? you see a problem with it ?
pankkake: aren't the specs incorrect?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see friedcat claimed 5 Gh/W and the bet only asks for 4
mircea_popescu: so they're incorrect in the sense they err the right way.
pankkake: ooh, I need to understand units
mircea_popescu: whatever, if he delivers 4.8 a la bitfury i'd rather the bet be clear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000003 BTC [-]
mike_c: all you have to do is go post something positive about bitbet in that thread. snackman will put you in the club.
mike_c: he runs it after all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.00550246 = 0.4182 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: is PR a second life DJ?
mircea_popescu: anyone taking bets on whether he has a nervous breakdown and disappears rather than breaks down and admits he fucked up ?
pankkake: it's what usually happens
mircea_popescu: well which one
pankkake: oh, disappearing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah this will need handicapping
ThickAsThieves: random thought, what are ripples worth these days?
ThickAsThieves: i remember selling mine for 7btc or so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <benkay> mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?
pankkake: much lower
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves a cent each or w/e
pankkake: not that it is surprising since give you can many of them just for having a github account
pankkake: or a bitcointalk account (with signup date requirements)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.53000009 = 4.24 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: hard to compete with free
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00543558 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.0054 = 0.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 28536 @ 0.00066 = 18.8338 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake i have no idea what the second life dj thing is about
mircea_popescu: girl's never played she says.
pankkake: I thought he had better stalking skills than me. I am relieved
mircea_popescu: who knows what random people are being sent random unconfirmed zero fee emails full of bile
mircea_popescu: on account of there being people with electricity they didn't pay for and computers their society got them for free, bored and otherwise unemployed towards any useful purpose.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 190 @ 0.00066 = 0.1254 BTC [+]
pankkake: oh he's the one who wrote "I expect MP was abandoned as a child and this is how s/he gets back at the world." earlier
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679016#msg3679016 aren't like half of PR's post about the WoT?
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: pankkake they're looking for siomething more like mem's list.
mircea_popescu: or w/e that other similar idiocy was
pankkake: I don't know what that is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: some kid made a list of good and bad gambling sites to enforce his notions that i am racist and satoshi dice is bad.
mircea_popescu: the thing was amusing for a coupla days and that's the last i recall of it
pankkake: oh, plenty of those lists. mostly by site operators sockpuppets
pankkake: including one who went ponzi, oops
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679079#msg3679079
jurov`: what boggles me that nobody there labeled you chauvinist.. prolly they dont read trilema
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: she has it, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: jurov` i don't think they know what it means.
mircea_popescu: chauvinist is a big word among 20something lonely unshaven feminists.
mircea_popescu: these are 20 something lonely fat dorks. different bad words.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the child pornography nonsense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.04559979 = 0.912 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.06322694 = 1.8968 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.04559979 = 0.5928 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: why chauvinist? I don't follow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.18705 = 1.8705 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53166666 = 1.595 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53 = 1.06 BTC [-]
Guest41620: I sent you money in a way you didn't want me to, and in a way you can't refuse. Give it back :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.11548996 = 1.1549 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: in a few years faucet operators will want their money back
Guest90914: bah, identify
mircea_popescu: mike_c holy shit the guy was actually late ?!
mircea_popescu: this is riotous.
mike_c: he claims he initiated the transfer before then
mike_c: but there is no evidence of that
mircea_popescu: jesus.
pankkake: there's not even evidence that it's his tx
mircea_popescu: this is official, way to go make a complete fool of oneself.
mircea_popescu: it's up there with the tortilla.
mircea_popescu: if only i had known when i put that policy in that it will serve so shiningly well.
pankkake: well, I still think a softer fee approach would be better. instead of 1% refund and 100% oops, do 20% for both
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, bets can be cancelled for all sorts of reasons,
pankkake: if his bet would have been sent with a tx fee, it would only be 1%
mircea_popescu: many of which not imputable to the bettor
pankkake: I guess
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, he sent it late. even with a 10 btc fee it'd have been confiscated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12568 = 0.6284 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if he had sent it 12 hours earlier however it'd have been fine
jurov`: pankkake: "male chauvinism" says you something?
mircea_popescu: course, he didn't WANT TO sent it 12 hours later, because he's nobody's fool.
pankkake: jurov`: I only knew chauvinism as patriotism
pankkake: no but I mean, if he wanted to bet after the fact, and it got included, say, 10 min after the fact
pankkake: the bet would not be closed
mircea_popescu: this is true
pankkake: and he would get refunded with 1% fee
pankkake: and I think those cases should have a higher fee
mircea_popescu: perhaps, but we're running into clerical complications
pankkake: but it depends, sometimes the better genuinly doesn't know…
mircea_popescu: the correct way is to have the bets close as close to actual time as possible
mircea_popescu: anyway, 100% is clean. any other value is "why not less ?"
mircea_popescu: 1% is equal to the rake, so that's stable.
mircea_popescu: and tbh i'dmuch rather one guy get hit for 100% once a year, go berserk and thus warn all other wannabe scumfaces,
mircea_popescu: than it being a constant occurence.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.12724 = 1.2724 BTC [+] {3}
smickles: wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar)
mircea_popescu: i dunno but some people like doing that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.512 = 2.56 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00548879 = 0.1537 BTC [+]
mike_c: fwiw, when you run a gambling operation you need to be draconian and ruthless. Not cry over stupid gamblers. This is why mp is better suited to run a gambling operation than dooglus.
mike_c: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg3570809#msg3570809
ozbot: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 188 @ 0.00066 = 0.1241 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50255 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 47221 @ 0.00066 = 31.1659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49 = 1.96 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: you want to know the best part? snackman will continue to bet on bitbet in a desperate attempt to get his money back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe it works out for him and he gains englightment.
mircea_popescu: definitely a bunch of bets that are (or at least seem to me) out of odds. if he actually sits down and figures shit out he's prolly +ev
mike_c: hahah. lolz
mike_c: he couldn't even sit down and read the faq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00509166 = 0.1629 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: this being after all the one reason parimutuel rules. pretty much the only place you can consistently get +ev if you're using the head.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ya well... 7:1 or something :p
kakobrekla: given your bets are not tamperd with.
mircea_popescu: who tampers with bets ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4502 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you know, the bitcointalk downtime.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.45010001 = 1.3503 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.4500109 = 16.6504 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00468005 = 0.4025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.0046805 = 0.9876 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 295 @ 0.00468 = 1.3806 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: propositions, different thing!
kakobrekla: yea yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 144 @ 0.00453563 = 0.6531 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.004389 = 0.1492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
BigBitz: Wow... BitBet and the 10BTC incident. lol. Brutal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.045589 = 0.3191 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BigBitz at least it keeps bitcoin price up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.002009 = 0.2572 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.18705001 = 0.9353 BTC [+]
jborkl: https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction 1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204
jborkl: you see that Mircea
mircea_popescu: jborkl yea ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]
jborkl: 194000 BTC
jborkl: I like how blockchain tagged it shitloadofmoney
mircea_popescu: afaik anyone can tag an addy
jborkl: ah, didn't know that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49947499 = 1.9979 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: yep mircea
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/#c1858
ozbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One
mircea_popescu: ppl make bets, then my ego gets called into question.
mircea_popescu: woe is me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, is Kodric the guy running Bitstamp ?
kakobrekla: yes
mircea_popescu: possibly
Apocalyptic: damn, didn't expect him to answer support tickets
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how long before bitbet broker springs up, dedicated to making bets for noobs in a safe and pleasant fashion.
kakobrekla: make a bet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5005 @ 0.00066 = 3.3033 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no cause my ego.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00077931 = 5.7669 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the snackman dood is this jewish kid : http://d13pix9kaak6wt.cloudfront.net/avatar/users/s/a/m/sam.weinrott_1360387671_08.jpg ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 24 yo, south philly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00201136 = 0.1368 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0020929 = 0.427 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.460105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.460105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46000001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00409 = 0.1513 BTC [-]
BigBitz: Apocalyptic he runs it with some of his friends.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0041 = 0.2993 BTC [+]
BigBitz: all local guys.
BigBitz: noone out side of Slovenia and noone he doesn't know personally.
Apocalyptic: ok good to know
BigBitz: in regards to Nejc.
BigBitz: I spoke to him at BTC London. He's a nice dude.
jurov`: lol bitbet broker.. does it have an API?
mircea_popescu: kako is working on json yeah ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really need more than that, addies are automatic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46100001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0041 = 0.4592 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu we demand accounts on bitbet
benkay: and zero-conf bet funding
jurov`: myeah, without password you don't feel secure enough
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you can type a password in the search field at the start of each session.
mircea_popescu: it's very safe, can never be lost to hackers etc.
benkay: will you also set up 2fa cardano on my electrum wallet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0041 = 0.1886 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: uh.
thestringpuller: !ticker havelock am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.38800000 / 0.45779031 / 0.58289999 (586 shares, 268.26512301 BTC), 7D: 0.23500000 / 0.44204528 / 0.63280000 (2526 shares, 1116.60636764 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.60374745 / 1.06000000 (6944 shares, 4192.42229083 BTC)
thestringpuller: daman son
thestringpuller: daaayyumn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.0007792 = 4.5973 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 380 @ 0.00066 = 0.2508 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mod6> i like the article mp